Mike, As Laynie pointed out, we could not see your attachments, but they are likely in the links that Laynie provided for you. As I stated in my paper on Sir John: "Though there are several Pate coats of arms, we are most familiar with the one of the Pate family of Sysonby and Eye-Kettleby. These arms are described as a white or silver shield with three black Roman text "R"s. There are at least two related variations of these arms, while two others appear to be completely unrelated. These will be further discussed in a later paper." I did not discuss the other arms any further, since my paper was focused on Sir John, and the arms described were used by him. My paper also discusses the crest and motto. In the links that Laynie sent, only the first one shows the "r"s correctly, according to my findings. In all the drawings and descriptions of the arms in John Nichols' books, they are always shown in what we call "lower-case". If anyone is aware of any earlier representations of any Pate coat of arms than those in Nichols' work, I would very interested in seeing them. Nichols' books are dated 1795-1811, and the drawings are of the arms as inscribed on the memorials in the Melton Mowbray church, c. 1600-1680. There are other sources which I will refer to in another paper. By the way, for any who may be interested, I have prepared a "pdf" copy of my paper on Sir John Pate. I made some slight changes in style, and the formatting looks much better. If anyone wishes a copy, send your request to my personal email address. I might note that the "Pait" variation, at least as it applies to current members of the Pate DNA Project, has American origins, maybe in the 1700s, with several unproven theories of explanation. In any case, DNA analysis has proven that they are all members of the Thoroughgood Pate family line, with only one exception. A. J. ____________________________________________________ Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 16:18:23 -0700 (PDT) From: DMPate <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PATE] Latin translation needed for Pate memorial in MeltonMowbray church The attached are the two variations of the Pate-Pait Family Coat of Arms that I've been able to locate!? Does manyone have any mire crest(s), coats of arms, symbols, emblems, etc that represent the Pate Clans?

Laynie, Thanks for all the effort you made on translating the inscription. It can be fun but also frustrating. The complexity lies in determining which meaning of a word to use. Of course, we have the same problem with English. Pick a common word in English, then look in a dictionary at all the possible meanings it could have. For example, a former president once famously said, "It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is." We probably should wait until a real Latin scholar translates this, but knowing the context of the inscription and using your work, you can get a general sense of its meaning. The Latin phrase "Johanne Pate (de Sysonby in comitatu Leicestriensi) baronettu" can be translated as "John Pate (of Sysonby in the county of Leicester) baronet". There are tributes to both John and Elizabeth. The date 1659 refers to the year of Sir John's death and his burial at St. Giles near London. I think it may be saying that he was 67 years old at his death, which would make him born in 1592. It also has the date of Elizabeth's death as 1628 at age 37, which would make the year of her birth as 1591. As contributors of the memorial, both daughters' names are noted, and it appears the other children are noted in total. It ends with the sentiment that their bodies are awaiting the Resurrection. There is also another arms and briefer Latin inscription on the wall of the same church for Edward and Katherine Pate of Kettleby, but I'm not going to post it until this one has been translated. It would just muddy the water at this point. There have been several offers of possible assistance from some true Latin scholars. Hopefully we will soon see what they produce. I appreciate your interest and your contrbutions to the Listserve. A. J. ________________________________________ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 00:59:03 -0400 From: "ThorPateLine" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PATE] Latin translation for Pate memorial in Melton Mowbray AJ, I would love to know the actual translation if you can get it, but I figured out the gist of it by translating word for word using a couple of sites: http://www.stars21.com/translator/latin_to_english.html (with all sources checked on the left) and http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/guide/WLLatin1.asp#a Here are my results - which actually was kind of fun to do! :) Laynie

James Irby Pate, Jr. BORN: June 19, 1917 DIED: April 21, 2010 LOCATION: Dayton, OH PATE, James I., Jr., age 92 of Dayton, passed away Wednesday, April 21, 2010. He was born in Fayetteville, NC to James Irby and Bessie Cope Pate. James was a US Army veteran, 8th Infantry Division during the European Theater where he received four battle stars. He retired from NCR in 1980 after 42 years of service. James was a 32 degree in the Scottish Rite, a life member of over 50 years of the Almas Shriners and a member of the National-Stansbury-Dawson Lodge No. 12 F.A.A.M. of Washington DC. He was a soft spoken and easy going; a true southern gentleman who was an accomplished woodcarver. Preceded in death by his parents, his brothers, Thomas V. Pate and William A. Pate and his wife Evelyn E. Pate. James is survived by his daughter, Suzanne E. Pate; his brother, Angus (Joyce) Pate and his sister-in-law, Peggy Pate. Funeral services will be held on Tuesday, April 27, 2010 at 7:00PM at Routsong Funeral Home, 2100 E. Stroop Rd, Kettering, with Jill Proudfoot officiating. The family will receive friends from 5:00 to 7:00PM prior to service. If desired, memorial contributions may be made to Shriner�s Hospitals for Children, 2900 Rocky Point Drive, Tampa, Florida 33607. Condolences and other tributes may be sent to the family at www.routsong.com.

Mike, there are no attachments allowed on this list and no HTML posts, so I did not see what you attached, but here are some for you: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~patepaitfamily/coat_of_arms.html http://www.tradebit.com/usr/heraldics/pub/9001/pate-coat-of-arms.jpg http://www.acadian.org/images/Pate-small.jpg http://rlv.zcache.com/pate_family_crest_button-p145044458243810693t5sj_400.jpg http://images8.cafepress.com/product/156220658v3_225x225_Front.jpg Laynie ----- Original Message ----- From: "DMPate" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [PATE] Latin translation needed for Pate memorial inMeltonMowbray church The attached are the two variations of the Pate-Pait Family Coat of Arms that I've been able to locate! Does manyone have any mire crest(s), coats of arms, symbols, emblems, etc that represent the Pate Clans? ________________________________ From: DMPate <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Sat, May 29, 2010 3:46:04 PM Subject: Re: [PATE] Latin translation needed for Pate memorial in MeltonMowbray church It's attached at the bottom of the original message! On 5/25/2010 6:07 AM, AJ wrote: > In my paper on Sir John Pate, I mentioned the memorial to Sir John and > Elizabeth Pate which is in St. Mary's church in Melton Mowbray. The > memorial was placed there by their two daughters and honors them both, but > only Elizabeth is buried there. Sir John was buried in London. > > The inscription is in Latin, and I am posting it here in the hope that one > of you may be a Latin scholar or may know one. > > The following is quoted from Nichols, Vol. II, Part I, p. 253: > In the south transept, now called 'The Old Chancel', formerly a separate > chapel, on a mural alabaster monument are these arms: > On a wreath, Argent, three text r's Sable; Pate; impaling, Barry of eight, > Argent and Gules per pale countercharged, in chief a greyhound currant, > Sable, Skipworth. Crest, a stag's head caboshed, Or; a raven reguardant, > with wings expanded, Sable. The inscription is: > > M. S. > Johannis& Elizabethae Pate; > quos Deus una, Mors gemina carne fecit, > hos rejunxit hoc marmor, > Siste,& aspecta, quisquis es qui praeteris, > Johanne Pate (de Sysonby in comitatu Leicestriensi) > baronettu, virum egregium, > Antiqua familia Patorurn de Kettlebee ortu, > natalibus majorem, > vitae mortisque intregru, > affertorem causae Angustae Caroli Primi > (semper beatae memoriae Principem) > strenuu, forte, fidu, > votu piu a quo licet cecidit, > nil addat celebrius Famae tuba. > Quem juxta recumbit (velut in amplexu) > Elizabetha, generis sui gloria, exemplar > vitae probae, mortisque benedictae, > Gulielmi Skipwith, comitatus Leicestrensis, > militis& baronetti, filia, conjux fidissima, > quae peperit 5 filios (omnes emortuos) filiasque totide, > quaru superstites Abigail, Thomae Smith, > de Hatherton, in comitatu Cestrensi, baronetti, > & Francisca Caroli Carington, Barone de Wootton, > comitatus Warwicensis, filli natu 4, > conjuges dilectissimae,& moerentes cohaerdes, > sumptibus suis monumentu hoc impar > parentibus posuerunt charissimis, > quoru ille ritu sepulcrali donatus > apud Stu Egidiu prope Lond. > anno 1659, aetatis sexagesimo septimo; > Illa, sub hac terra, die Augusti decimo septimo, > anno 1628, aetatis suae 37, > Resurrectionem praestolantes. Amen. > > > A. J. Pate > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

AJ, I would love to know the actual translation if you can get it, but I figured out the gist of it by translating word for word using a couple of sites: http://www.stars21.com/translator/latin_to_english.html (with all sources checked on the left) and http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/guide/WLLatin1.asp#a Here are my results - which actually was kind of fun to do! :) Laynie =========== M. S. Johannis & Elizabethae Pate; quos > whom Deus > God una, > one >> whom one in God Mors > death [death , a corpse; a cause of death or destruction]. gemina > to double carne > of flesh fecit, > make/build/construct/create/cause/do; hos > this; these rejunxit > in truth hoc > Do not hesistate BECAUSE OF THIS! [doubt] marmor > block of marble/statue Siste > stop, check; cause to stand; aspecta > look/gaze on/at, see, observe, behold, regard; face; consider, contemplate; quisquis > whoever; every one who; whoever it be; everyone; each; es > be; exist qui > who; that; which, what; who/whatever, everyone who, all that, anything that; praeteris > pass/go by; disregard/neglect/omit/miss; surpass/excel; go overdue; pass over; Johanne Pate (de > down/away from, from, off; about, of, concerning; according to; with regard to; Sysonby in > in, on, at (space); in accordance with/regard to/the case of; within (time); comitatu > accompany, go along with; attend (funeral); follow (camp); grow alongside; Leicestriensi) > Testimonies of life baronettu > ???? virum > man; husband; hero; person of courage, honor, and nobility egregium > singular; distinguished; exceptional; extraordinary; eminent; excellent; Antiqua > old/ancient/aged; time-honored; simple/classic; venerable; archaic/outdated; familia > household; household of slaves; family; clan; religious community Patorurn de Kettlebee > Patron of the Churches of Derbyshire in the 1600's ortu > birth, origin, rising / origin, source natalibus > birthday majorem, > would see, would be seeing vitae > life, way of life (fem) mortisque > death intregru > eager affertorem > causae > on account of, for the sake of. Angustae > narrow, limited, strait, tight, constricted Caroli > dearness, affection / charity Primi > first, for the first time (semper > always, ever beatae > blessed, fortunate, sometimes "saint" memoriae > memory, remembrance, recall, recollection Principem) > rule, dominion, pre-eminence, first place. strenuu, > brisk, active, vigorous/ turbulent, restive forte, > by chance, by luck, accidentally fidu, > confidence, trust, assurance votu > prayer, wish, desire / vow, promise to God piu > dutiful, godly, holy, upright, kind, honest, affectionate a > in connection with, with regard to quo > BY means of WHICH he lived/THROUGH WHICH he died licet > it is right, just cecidit > to go, proceed nil > addat > to give, bring, place, / inspire, cause,/ add, join celebrius > abounding in, rich in, much frequented, respected. Famae > much spoken of, renowned / notorious, infamous tuba. > cone shaped Quem > (masc. sing. acc.) (the man), WHOM the king struck. juxta > in a like manner, likewise recumbit > he will see, she will be seeing (velut > just as, like, even as in > into, toward, against amplexu) > an embracing, surrounding, loving embrace Elizabetha, generis > of noble birth, aristocratic, well-bred sui > I have seen, I have been seeing gloria, > fame, renown, glory exemplar > model, pattern, original, prototype, book to copy vitae > life, way of life probae, > probity, uprightness, honesty mortisque > death benedictae, > benefit, favor, service, privilege, right Gulielmi Skipwith, > comitatus > train, retinue, following / war band. comitatus > accompanied. Leicestrensis, > ancient map militis & baronetti > soldier, warrior, knight filia > daughter conjux > or/if fidissima, > imperative quae > quae : (fem. pl. nom.) Let THOSE (women) WHO have ears to hear .. quae : (neut. pl. acc.) those things WHICH we must have quae : (neut. plur. nom.) WHAT cannot be avoided must be endured. peperit > it sees, he does see, she is seeing 5 filios > plural of filia : daughter filius : son (omnes emortuos) > all, every (masculine) filiasque > daughters totide, > just as many quaru > wherefore, why, because of which thing. superstites > survivor of another's death Abigail, Thomae Smith, de Hatherton, in comitatu > in accompaniment. Cestrensi, baronetti, & Francisca Caroli Carington, Barone de Wootton, comitatus Warwicensis, filli > sons/daughters natu 4, > by birth. natura : nature conjuges > you see, you are seeing. you will see, you will be seeing. you might see, you might be seeing. dilectissimae, > to spread out, extend, expand, increase. & moerentes > walls, fortifications of a city / ramparts / castle, fortress cohaerdes, to stick together, adhere to sumptibus > suis > monumentu hoc > this, the latter impar > parentibus > parents posuerunt > placed, put together charissimis, > dearly beloved quoru > half OF WHICH was ill ille > that, the former, the famous / he, she, it ritu > rite, ceremony sepulcrali > burial register donatus > up to the time when, until, as long as, while apud > among, in the presence of, at, at the house of Stu Egidiu prope > near, near to, not far, not long from now Lond. anno 1659, > the year 1659 aetatis > period of life, time, era/eternal, everlasting, without end sexagesimo > sixtieth septimo; > seven Illa > He who lives BY THAT (the sword) sub > under, up under, close to, beneath, below hac > this side, this way, here terra, > earth, ground, land, country, soil die > on the day Augusti > of August decimo > tenth/ ten days septimo, > seven anno 1628, > the year 1628 aetatis > period of life, time, era/eternal, everlasting, without end suae 37 > her 37 Resurrectionem > resurection, awakening, renewal praestolantes. > the waiting for, expectation Amen. =========== ----- Original Message ----- From: "AJ" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Latin translation for Pate memorial in Melton Mowbray Johnette, I received a personal email from Gerald Pait, pointing out how complex Latin could be to translate. Words are subject to many interpretations and may vary according to purpose and level of usage and the age in which it was written. I believe that the inscription on the monument of Sir John and Elizabeth Pate may not encounter some of the usual problems. We know that it was a formal memorial to deceased parents, and we know it was written c. 1680. These facts should make the translator's task a little simpler. I appreciate you sending this to your son's acquaintance in Canada. We will not know the importance of this inscription until it is translated. It may or may not contain new information. But it is interesting that it has not been translated into English, to my knowledge, for about 330 years. A. J. Pate ____________________________________________________ Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 17:02:19 -0700 From: "Johnette McDuffie" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PATE] Latin translation needed for Pate memorial in Melton A.J. My son's girlfriend's father knows Latin. He is a Catholic and goes to Latin Church services. They live in Canada. I have emailed the info to them today. I'm sure I will hear soon the entire thing. Johnette Pate McDuffie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In message <[email protected]>, Johnette McDuffie <[email protected]> writes >Tom Piercy - >If I have misunderstood your comments - I apologize for it - but if my >understanding is correct, then I wish to tell you how INAPPROPRIATE your >comments were to me. Thanks for your response, Johnette. A much more measured and rational response than the hate mail that came into my personal in-box (this is not the place to repeat what was said). However, since you obviously do feel upset at what I said I'll try and put it in perspective. >I for one found A.J.'s comments very welcome and appropriate. >My ancestors fought in wars - that's research worthy - and those that are >fighting today. YES, today is set aside to give tribute. >Delete it and move on if you don't like it. I have. >We have freedom today to research records and such, due to those who are >willing to stand up. Indeed. Interestingly, the most positive response I have seen here has been from Mike Pate. Perhaps it is not surprising that it is from someone who is himself an ex-serviceman, knows what he is talking about and who has paid his dues. I cannot match him for years of service but have spent long enough in a (by today's standards) tiny World War 2 submarine above and below the surface of the North Atlantic, as well as in conventional warships, to feel that I too have paid my dues. Like Mike, I was lucky - I survived. Many didn't. >And that comment "It would be a shame to lose genuine PATE researchers >because of political spam"; I don't even see where that fits in. Is it the phrase "political spam" that you don't agree with? "Political" - "The term is generally applied to behavior within civil governments" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics ). The original post said "This day we honor those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom and liberty." This is true only, so far as I know, in the United States. Not in Australia or New Zealand, who celebrate Anzac Day, not in the UK (Armistice or Remembrance Day), not in Canada, and not in any of the other countries where the wonderful PATE clan is found. We all have our own days when we honour our fallen. To hold just one nation's memorial day over another's is surely as political as one *can* be. Perhaps I should have said "nationalistic". Or perhaps you disagree with my use of the word "spam". Back to Wikipedia. "...the use of electronic messaging systems (including most broadcast media, digital delivery systems) to send unsolicited bulk messages": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(electronic) We all subscribed to this list in order to help each other research the PATE name and lines, not to receive nationalistic (political?) postings unrelated to PATEs. I appreciate that sometimes in our enthusiasm we go off-topic. When we do start an off-topic post it is courteous to head it OT. I really cannot see how the initial post was other than off-topic. In the early days of Rootsweb, before it went under the wing of Ancestry, it was operated by volunteers and funded by voluntary contributions. I was one of those contributors. We all worked together, across the world, in this wonderful international co-operative venture. Many people across the world helped me with my research; I hope I gave them as much help back. I appreciate that things change (at my age I am all too aware just how fast they change!) but it would be sad if this were lost just because one nation tried to impose its values and way of life on everyone else. Let's leave that to the Jihadists. A few years ago I was a member of a list (not family history related) which had a few members who insisted on posting off-topic nationalist messages. That list now no longer exists, just because of the actions of those few members. I have sympathy for those who wish to share their nationalist sentiments, but there are plenty of web sites, bulletin boards and lists dedicated to these. However, it seems to me to be thoroughly unfair to the likes of Joel - and the others who work so hard for the PATE list - to clog the list with nationalistic off-topic posts. It seems thoroughly unfair to those early pioneers through whose initiative we are able to share our PATE information. It also seems like a kick in the teeth to Ancestry who charge us nothing for this service and ask only that we "Post only information appropriate for a given topic. For example, if you're posting on the "Lansing" surname board, you should be writing only in reference to a "Lansing" connection." ( http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/rootsweb/community_guidelines.html ) <snip> Best wishes -- Tom Piercy Rothwell, Northants, UK.

Tom, I would be happy to remember and honor the soldiers from the UK, Canada, New Zealand, Australia or any other country who died defending freedom. Americans and the British have stood side by side in many wars now, and my relatives have fought in most. I would love to hear stories of your service. Thanks for your service. Remind us when your Remembrance day rolls around. Lloyd Pate   ________________________________ From: Tom Piercy <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 3:41:21 PM Subject: Re: [PATE] Memorial Day In message <[email protected]>, Johnette McDuffie <[email protected]> writes >Tom Piercy - >If I have misunderstood your comments - I apologize for it -  but if my >understanding is correct, then I wish to tell you how INAPPROPRIATE your >comments were to me. Thanks for your response, Johnette. A much more measured and rational response than the hate mail that came into my personal in-box (this is not the place to repeat what was said). However, since you obviously do feel upset at what I said I'll try and put it in perspective. >I for one found A.J.'s comments very welcome and appropriate. >My ancestors fought in wars - that's research worthy - and those that are >fighting today.  YES, today is set aside to give tribute. >Delete it and move on if you don't like it. I have. >We have freedom today to research records and such, due to those who are >willing to stand up. Indeed. Interestingly, the most positive response I have seen here has been from Mike Pate. Perhaps it is not surprising that it is from someone who is himself an ex-serviceman, knows what he is talking about and who has paid his dues. I cannot match him for years of service but have spent long enough in a (by today's standards) tiny World War 2 submarine above and below the surface of the North Atlantic, as well as in conventional warships, to feel that I too have paid my dues. Like Mike, I was lucky - I survived. Many didn't. >And that comment "It would be a shame to lose genuine PATE researchers >because of political spam"; I don't even see where that fits in. Is it the phrase "political spam" that you don't agree with? "Political" - "The term is generally applied to behavior within civil governments" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics ). The original post said "This day we honor those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom and liberty." This is true only, so far as I know, in the United States. Not in Australia or New Zealand, who celebrate Anzac Day, not in the UK (Armistice or Remembrance Day), not in Canada, and not in any of the other countries where the wonderful PATE clan is found. We all have our own days when we honour our fallen. To hold just one nation's memorial day over another's is surely as political as one *can* be. Perhaps I should have said "nationalistic". Or perhaps you disagree with my use of the word "spam". Back to Wikipedia. "...the use of electronic messaging systems (including most broadcast media, digital delivery systems) to send unsolicited bulk messages": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(electronic) We all subscribed to this list in order to help each other research the PATE name and lines, not to receive nationalistic (political?) postings unrelated to PATEs. I appreciate that sometimes in our enthusiasm we go off-topic. When we do start an off-topic post it is courteous to head it OT. I really cannot see how the initial post was other than off-topic. In the early days of Rootsweb, before it went under the wing of Ancestry, it was operated by volunteers and funded by voluntary contributions. I was one of those contributors. We all worked together, across the world, in this wonderful international co-operative venture. Many people across the world helped me with my research; I hope I gave them as much help back. I appreciate that things change (at my age I am all too aware just how fast they change!) but it would be sad if this were lost just because one nation tried to impose its values and way of life on everyone else. Let's leave that to the Jihadists. A few years ago I was a member of a list (not family history related) which had a few members who insisted on posting off-topic nationalist messages. That list now no longer exists, just because of the actions of those few members. I have sympathy for those who wish to share their nationalist sentiments, but there are plenty of web sites, bulletin boards and lists dedicated to these. However, it seems to me to be thoroughly unfair to the likes of Joel - and the others who work so hard for the PATE list - to clog the list with nationalistic off-topic posts. It seems thoroughly unfair to those early pioneers through whose initiative we are able to share our PATE information. It also seems like a kick in the teeth to Ancestry who charge us nothing for this service and ask only that we "Post only information appropriate for a given topic. For example, if you're posting on the "Lansing" surname board, you should be writing only in reference to a "Lansing" connection." ( http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/rootsweb/community_guidelines.html ) <snip> Best wishes -- Tom Piercy Rothwell, Northants, UK. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/shreveporttimes/obituary.aspx?n=minnie-pate-marie&pid=142717621 - Photo Available Minnie "Marie" Pate SHREVEPORT, LA - Services for Mrs. Minnie Marie Pate, 90, will be held at 10:00 a.m., Friday, May 14, 2010, at Centuries Memorial Funeral Home. Officiating will be Bro. Laurie Mangum with Bro. Lee Jackson assisting. Interment will follow in Centuries Memorial Park Cemetery. The family will receive friends and loved ones on Thursday evening between the hours of 6:00 p.m. and 8:00 p.m. at the funeral home. Mrs. Minnie Pate, known by all as "Marie", went home to her Savior on May 12, 2010, shortly after her 90th birthday. Her final days were spent surrounded by immediate family. Mrs. Pate was born May 3, 1920, in Mansfield, LA to Ira and Leona (nee, Burrows) Snowden. She met Charles Tillman Pate in Mansfield, and they married August 8, 1936. Mr. Pate worked for the Louisiana-Arkansas Gas Company for many years, while Marie was a full-time homemaker. The couple raised their family in Little Rock, AR and later in Shreveport, LA. A long time and oldest member of the Bible Baptist Church of Shreveport, she loved the old gospel standards from the hymnal, but wasn't too keen on long-winded preaching. Straight to the point and stubborn, she could always be relied on to say exactly what she meant. Mrs. Pate enjoyed animals, and loved gardening in her yard. Her favorite stories from her youth often revolved around long, bare-footed walks in the country with family and friends. Mrs. Pate is survived by her sister, Beatrice Hughes of Many, LA; her two children, Ronald Pate of Houston, TX and Nancy Sistrunk of Shreveport; grandchildren, Russell Pate, Steven Pate, Mary Rose Delahunty and husband, Shawn, Robert Sistrunk and wife, Connie, and Donald Sistrunk; great-grandchildren, Casey and Kayla Sistrunk; additional extended family, and the love of her life, Penny, her faithful daschund-terrier mix. She was preceded in death by her husband, Tillman, her parents, her daughter-in-law, Lourdes O. Pate and granddaughter, Tonya Ann Pate. The family would like to extend a very grateful thank you to the staff of Garden Park Nursing Home for all of their love and care shown to "Miss Minnie" during her stay and to the nursing staff of Willis Knighton South for their care and attendance. She loved you all. Centuries Memorial Funeral Home (318) 686-4334 Published in Shreveport Times on May 13, 2010

I also received this same email with a local friends address as the "From" sender.  I'm glad I didn't respond. Karen. ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 5:37:26 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] SCAM Received this one also shortly after notification that Clovis had been hacked again.  We are also receiving some spam/phishing e-mails from our son-in-law's e-address.  Have advised him to close out his account.  Yahoo seems to be inundated with spammers right now. If you get an e-mail with an address from someone you might know but there is no "subject" in the subject line, also beware. Nita -----Original Message----- From: Joel Pate <[email protected]> To: [email protected] com <[email protected]>; Sherry Hightower <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, May 30, 2010 6:41 am Subject: [PATE] SCAM I recently receive this message from [email protected] "Hope you get this on time,sorry I didn't inform you about my trip in Wales for a Program, I'm presently in Wales and am having some difficulties here because i misplaced my wallet on my way to the hotel where my money and other valuable things were kept. presently  i have limited access to internet,I will like you to assist me with a loan of 1,500 Pounds to sort-out my hotel bills and to get myself back home. I have spoken to the embassy here but they are not responding to the matter effectively,I will appreciate whatever you can afford to assist me with,I'll Refund the money back to you as soon as i return,let me know if you can be of any help.I don't have a phone where i can be reached.  Please let me know immediately. Regards." This probably a SCAM. The e-mail address - [email protected] is the address forAnglea Gibbs Bandy.  Angelea Gibbs Bandy was briefly a subscriber to the Pate List Serve.She posted one article: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/pate/2010-03/1268325759 and then cancelled her subscripion. If you recevie this mess,you may wish to delete it. Joel -- PATE DNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pate-dna-project Sharing Our Past, Our Present and Our Future PATE LIST SERVE [email protected] A free E-Mail Forum for PATE Researchers ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John, Here is what little info I have on this William Pate.... >From "An Early History of Mascoutah: To and Including the Year 1850" by Herbert F. Lill: On p. 109-"There were one mason and one brick mason in the town. William Pate was the mason and David Nelson the brick mason." (The chapter of this quote is entitled "After 1841".) On p. 164 from the chapter entitled "1850 Census"- "William Pate, age 43; wife Mary; children Sarah, George, Nancy and ABRAHAM; occupation mason, born in Tennessee." I don't see an Abraham listed as a child of William and Mary on the 1850 census--it looks like "Mariah Patese" to me, and the gender is marked "F". She is three years old; but, the census also indicates that William and Mary were married "within the year". I've searched the ISA Online Marriage Index, and could find nothing. The last name of the children (Sarah, George, and Nancy) looks like TIRGE on the copy of the census record I have. Hope this helps some, April -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 12:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PATE] William & Mary Pate 1850 census I found this in some of my paper's it off the 1850 census, district 2, St Clair co, Illinois William Pate----43--m--job Mason---born Tenn Mary--------------30--f----born St Clair co Sarah Jirg-------11--f---- " George W. Jirge-8-m----- " Nancy J " " -6-f---- " Muriah Patese---3-m-- " the hand writing was not very easy to make out. also the name on the 3 children could be a J or a T maybe, but here another one from Tenn and wonder if he was a brother too Noah Pate...John Jackson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tom Piercy, I subscribe to the Listserve Digest, so only received it this morning. Do you also object to the overtly Christian sentiments that are expressed here on the Pate Listserve at Easter, Thanksgiving, and Christmas? After all, they are not "relevant to the stated topics of the list, 'the PATE surname and variations' [nor] help us move forward research on the Pate family lines." To call "political spam" a patriotic remembrance of our brave military, many who gave their lives to save England and the rest of Europe, is shameful on your part. Europe should also be celebrating Memorial Day with us, because, if not for the over 400,000 lives (in five years) of America's finest men who died on foreign soil, Europe would be in the 65th year of the Third Reich celebrating Heil Hitler Day, except for those unfortunate enough to be Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, mentally/physically handicapped, and other "undesirables". This is not to mention the over $2 trillion (in today's dollars) spent in the defense of Europe, and over $100 billion spent in the reconstruction of Europe after the war (even to our former enemies). These funds were raised through taxation of ordinary Americans, just like the people who subscribe to this listserve. I guess gratitude is too much to expect. Since you expressed concern about "genuine Pate researchers", I was curious to see what your contributions have been to "help us move forward research on the Pate family lines." So I did a quick search of the listserve archives and found only three messages posted by you. Two were sniping at messages posted by others (including this one), and the other had nothing to do with forwarding Pate research. With great sincerity, A. J. Pate Houston, Texas, USA ___________________________________________ Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 13:42:47 +0100 From: Tom Piercy <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PATE] Memorial Day I am sure the sentiments expressed here are made with great sincerity. However, I would like to ask how they are relevant to the stated topics of the list, "the PATE surname and variations" or how they help us move forward research on the Pate family lines. It would be a shame to lose genuine PATE researchers because of political spam. -- Tom Piercy Rothwell, Northants, UK.

Thank you so much for this post, Mike - and thank you for your years of service! My son-in-law is, at this very moment, in harm's way in Afghanistan, so you better believe I am flying the flag high and praying for him to come home safely. God bless all of our troops in harm's way - and God rest the souls of those who have given their lives for our freedom. Laynie ----- Original Message ----- From: "DMPate" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [PATE] Memorial Day As one who's military career spaned from Viet Nam thru the Gulf and all the "crap" in between, I thank those who respect my service in both war and peacetime. I feel that we did some great things but this day is for those of us who did not come hpome. Those who gave the "ultimate sacrifice" to ensure that we can do just what we are doing right now. Discourse if good, even heated disacourse if good, if and when it all over we can still call each other brothers and sisters! It would be interesting to start a side page dedicated to Pate Vet's and to those of us who put ourselves in "harms way" to protect this republic that we love so much. That means all Pate firemen, law enforcement, and other "service" organizations should be considered as well! But that is an issue for tomorrow. Today is Memorial Day! Flys your flags high and visit you local cemetary and give thanks to all those there that gave their all! Mike Pate, USAF Retired, 1971 - 1995 ________________________________ ________________________________ "we's in trouble. We must carry our glorious philosophy through to its glorious culmination! So that in the end, with enterprise and determination, the world and everything in it will belong to one individual Me! And that will be the ultimate! The absolute ultimate!" so sez The Imperial Me ________________________________ From: Johnette McDuffie <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 4:23:59 PM Subject: Re: [PATE] Memorial Day Tom Piercy - If I have misunderstood your comments - I apologize for it - but if my understanding is correct, then I wish to tell you how INAPPROPRIATE your comments were to me. I for one found A.J.'s comments very welcome and appropriate. My ancestors fought in wars - that's research worthy - and those that are fighting today. YES, today is set aside to give tribute. Delete it and move on if you don't like it. We have freedom today to research records and such, due to those who are willing to stand up. And that comment "It would be a shame to lose genuine PATE researchers because of political spam"; I don't even see where that fits in. I apologize to the others on this List for my 'comments that are not eloquent or relevant as a researcher'. God Bless America, Land That I Love; Stand beside Us and Guide us. Johnette Pate McDuffie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Piercy Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 5:43 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] Memorial Day In message <[email protected]>, AJ <[email protected]> writes >This day we honor those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for our >freedom and liberty. Let us also give thanks for the members of our >military who continue to serve in defense of this great nation and pray >for their safe return to their families. > >May God continue to bless these United States of America. > >Watch this great song, "Thank You" by Ray Stevens: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTQp9713TdI > >A. J. Pate > I am sure the sentiments expressed here are made with great sincerity. However, I would like to ask how they are relevant to the stated topics of the list, "the PATE surname and variations" or how they help us move forward research on the Pate family lines. It would be a shame to lose genuine PATE researchers because of political spam. -- Tom Piercy Rothwell, Northants, UK. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2906 - Release Date: 05/30/10 09:21:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Mike and you have my full respect. My flag is flying. -- Clovis Byars Herring

AMEN AJ AND JOHNETTE PATE MCDUFFIE! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Johnette McDuffie Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 4:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] Memorial Day Tom Piercy - If I have misunderstood your comments - I apologize for it - but if my understanding is correct, then I wish to tell you how INAPPROPRIATE your comments were to me. I for one found A.J.'s comments very welcome and appropriate. My ancestors fought in wars - that's research worthy - and those that are fighting today. YES, today is set aside to give tribute. Delete it and move on if you don't like it. We have freedom today to research records and such, due to those who are willing to stand up. And that comment "It would be a shame to lose genuine PATE researchers because of political spam"; I don't even see where that fits in. I apologize to the others on this List for my 'comments that are not eloquent or relevant as a researcher'. God Bless America, Land That I Love; Stand beside Us and Guide us. Johnette Pate McDuffie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Piercy Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 5:43 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] Memorial Day In message <[email protected]>, AJ <[email protected]> writes >This day we honor those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for our >freedom and liberty. Let us also give thanks for the members of our >military who continue to serve in defense of this great nation and pray >for their safe return to their families. > >May God continue to bless these United States of America. > >Watch this great song, "Thank You" by Ray Stevens: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTQp9713TdI > >A. J. Pate > I am sure the sentiments expressed here are made with great sincerity. However, I would like to ask how they are relevant to the stated topics of the list, "the PATE surname and variations" or how they help us move forward research on the Pate family lines. It would be a shame to lose genuine PATE researchers because of political spam. -- Tom Piercy Rothwell, Northants, UK. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2906 - Release Date: 05/30/10 09:21:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As Nita has commented...be careful of Yahoo.com account...I've had the same type of email...all from Yahoo.com accounts. Do not respond to any email that is requesting you wire or send money in any way. Most of us know how to contact relatives or friend, without having to use email! Be vigilant! Grace In a message dated 5/31/2010 2:12:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Today's Topics: 1. SCAM (Joel Pate) 2. Re: SCAM ([email protected]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 07:41:05 -0400 From: Joel Pate <[email protected]> Subject: [PATE] SCAM To: "[email protected] com" <[email protected]>, Sherry Hightower <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I recently receive this message from [email protected] "Hope you get this on time,sorry I didn't inform you about my trip in Wales for a Program, I'm presently in Wales and am having some difficulties here because i misplaced my wallet on my way to the hotel where my money and other valuable things were kept. presently i have limited access to internet,I will like you to assist me with a loan of 1,500 Pounds to sort-out my hotel bills and to get myself back home. I have spoken to the embassy here but they are not responding to the matter effectively,I will appreciate whatever you can afford to assist me with,I'll Refund the money back to you as soon as i return,let me know if you can be of any help.I don't have a phone where i can be reached. Please let me know immediately. Regards." This probably a SCAM. The e-mail address - [email protected] is the address forAnglea Gibbs Bandy. Angelea Gibbs Bandy was briefly a subscriber to the Pate List Serve.She posted one article: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/pate/2010-03/1268325759 and then cancelled her subscripion. If you recevie this mess,you may wish to delete it. Joel -- PATE DNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pate-dna-project Sharing Our Past, Our Present and Our Future PATE LIST SERVE [email protected] A free E-Mail Forum for PATE Researchers ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 08:37:26 -0400 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] SCAM To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Received this one also shortly after notification that Clovis had been hacked again. We are also receiving some spam/phishing e-mails from our son-in-law's e-address. Have advised him to close out his account. Yahoo seems to be inundated with spammers right now. If you get an e-mail with an address from someone you might know but there is no "subject" in the subject line, also beware. Nita ************************************

In message <[email protected]>, AJ <[email protected]> writes >This day we honor those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for our >freedom and liberty. Let us also give thanks for the members of our >military who continue to serve in defense of this great nation and pray >for their safe return to their families. > >May God continue to bless these United States of America. > >Watch this great song, "Thank You" by Ray Stevens: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTQp9713TdI > >A. J. Pate > I am sure the sentiments expressed here are made with great sincerity. However, I would like to ask how they are relevant to the stated topics of the list, "the PATE surname and variations" or how they help us move forward research on the Pate family lines. It would be a shame to lose genuine PATE researchers because of political spam. -- Tom Piercy Rothwell, Northants, UK.

Tom Piercy - If I have misunderstood your comments - I apologize for it - but if my understanding is correct, then I wish to tell you how INAPPROPRIATE your comments were to me. I for one found A.J.'s comments very welcome and appropriate. My ancestors fought in wars - that's research worthy - and those that are fighting today. YES, today is set aside to give tribute. Delete it and move on if you don't like it. We have freedom today to research records and such, due to those who are willing to stand up. And that comment "It would be a shame to lose genuine PATE researchers because of political spam"; I don't even see where that fits in. I apologize to the others on this List for my 'comments that are not eloquent or relevant as a researcher'. God Bless America, Land That I Love; Stand beside Us and Guide us. Johnette Pate McDuffie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Piercy Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 5:43 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] Memorial Day In message <[email protected]>, AJ <[email protected]> writes >This day we honor those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for our >freedom and liberty. Let us also give thanks for the members of our >military who continue to serve in defense of this great nation and pray >for their safe return to their families. > >May God continue to bless these United States of America. > >Watch this great song, "Thank You" by Ray Stevens: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTQp9713TdI > >A. J. Pate > I am sure the sentiments expressed here are made with great sincerity. However, I would like to ask how they are relevant to the stated topics of the list, "the PATE surname and variations" or how they help us move forward research on the Pate family lines. It would be a shame to lose genuine PATE researchers because of political spam. -- Tom Piercy Rothwell, Northants, UK. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2906 - Release Date: 05/30/10 09:21:00

As one who's military career spaned from Viet Nam thru the Gulf and all the "crap" in between, I thank those who respect my service in both war and peacetime.  I feel that we did some great things but this day is for those of us who did not come hpome.  Those who gave the "ultimate sacrifice" to ensure that we can do just what we are doing right now.  Discourse if good, even heated disacourse if good, if and when it all over we can still call each other brothers and sisters!  It would be interesting to start a side page dedicated to Pate Vet's and to those of us who put ourselves in "harms way" to protect this republic that we love so much.  That means all Pate firemen, law enforcement, and other "service" organizations should be considered as well!  But that is an issue for tomorrow.  Today is Memorial Day!  Flys your flags high and visit you local cemetary and give thanks to all those there that gave their all!    Mike Pate, USAF Retired, 1971 - 1995   ________________________________ ________________________________ "we's in trouble. We must carry our glorious philosophy through to its glorious culmination! So that in the end, with enterprise and determination, the world and everything in it will belong to one individual Me! And that will be the ultimate! The absolute ultimate!" so sez The Imperial Me ________________________________ From: Johnette McDuffie <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 4:23:59 PM Subject: Re: [PATE] Memorial Day Tom Piercy - If I have misunderstood your comments - I apologize for it -  but if my understanding is correct, then I wish to tell you how INAPPROPRIATE your comments were to me. I for one found A.J.'s comments very welcome and appropriate. My ancestors fought in wars - that's research worthy - and those that are fighting today.  YES, today is set aside to give tribute. Delete it and move on if you don't like it. We have freedom today to research records and such, due to those who are willing to stand up. And that comment "It would be a shame to lose genuine PATE researchers because of political spam"; I don't even see where that fits in. I apologize to the others on this List for my 'comments that are not eloquent or relevant as a researcher'. God Bless America,  Land That I Love; Stand beside Us and Guide us. Johnette Pate McDuffie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tom Piercy Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 5:43 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] Memorial Day In message <[email protected]>, AJ <[email protected]> writes >This day we honor those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for our >freedom and liberty.  Let us also give thanks for the members of our >military who continue to serve in defense of this great nation and pray >for their safe return to their families. > >May God continue to bless these United States of America. > >Watch this great song, "Thank You" by Ray Stevens: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTQp9713TdI > >A. J. Pate > I am sure the sentiments expressed here are made with great sincerity. However, I would like to ask how they are relevant to the stated topics of the list, "the PATE surname and variations" or how they help us move forward research on the Pate family lines. It would be a shame to lose genuine PATE researchers because of political spam. -- Tom Piercy Rothwell, Northants, UK. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2906 - Release Date: 05/30/10 09:21:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Johnette, I received a personal email from Gerald Pait, pointing out how complex Latin could be to translate. Words are subject to many interpretations and may vary according to purpose and level of usage and the age in which it was written. I believe that the inscription on the monument of Sir John and Elizabeth Pate may not encounter some of the usual problems. We know that it was a formal memorial to deceased parents, and we know it was written c. 1680. These facts should make the translator's task a little simpler. I appreciate you sending this to your son's acquaintance in Canada. We will not know the importance of this inscription until it is translated. It may or may not contain new information. But it is interesting that it has not been translated into English, to my knowledge, for about 330 years. A. J. Pate ____________________________________________________ Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 17:02:19 -0700 From: "Johnette McDuffie" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PATE] Latin translation needed for Pate memorial in Melton A.J. My son's girlfriend's father knows Latin. He is a Catholic and goes to Latin Church services. They live in Canada. I have emailed the info to them today. I'm sure I will hear soon the entire thing. Johnette Pate McDuffie

This day we honor those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom and liberty. Let us also give thanks for the members of our military who continue to serve in defense of this great nation and pray for their safe return to their families. May God continue to bless these United States of America. Watch this great song, "Thank You" by Ray Stevens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTQp9713TdI A. J. Pate