I could not find contact info for Jim, but hoped someone might know, or maybe he would read our postings. Anybody? He claims to have the powder horn? Johnette, can you contact Francis?

http://docsouth.unc.edu/csr/index.html/document/csr16-0699 Do a 'ctrl f' search for Pate and you will find three Pate's. One is William and it shows his periods of service and promotion. You will get four listed but one is a partial word. Jerry -------Original Message------- From: Johnette McDuffie Date: 6/2/2010 11:38:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" Thank you so very much Laynie. I may have/or not/ mentioned I have very poor computer skills. I am a retired teacher - but I did not teach computer skills ! I use my computer mainly as a word processor to record my research & book writings. But for this day and times, I wish I'd been wiser and learned computer skills! Thank you for making it easier for me. Johnette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ThorPateLine Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" Johnette, Whenever you see pictures over the text like that, decrease your text size in your browser. Here it is copy/pasted for you. Laynie In the pamplet, American Geneology of the Pate Family, published sometime between 1914-1917, author John Ben Pate refers to William Pate's powder horn. He states on page 8, "On the 29th day of january, 1777, he volunteered in the Revolution for a term of three years. He served in Capt. Robert Fenner's company, Second North Carolina Battalion, commanded by Col. John Patton. He was stationed at Camp White Plains, N.C., Sept. 9, 1778 (Adj. Genl.'s Office). The old powder horn then used is in the possession of A. and S.E. Pate, Amboy, Ga." In the same publication, John Ben Pate again refers to the powder horn in a tribute to his father, Bennet Pate (page 19). Speaking of Bennet Pate he states, "His grandfather, Rev. William Pate, was a soldier of the Revolutionary War and the old powder horn then used now hangs on the walls of the old home." The "old home" in Amboy, Ga. was occupied at the time by A. Pate, S.E. Pate, and thier mother Katherine Rainey Chandler Pate. They all lived in the "old home" until their deaths. A third mention of this powder horn is in John Ben Pate's History of Turner County. On page 116 he restates the information quoted above from page 8 of the Pate Genealogy. At some point, John Ben Pate, living across the road from the "old home" in Amboy, acquired the powder horn. It was in his possession for a period of time before his death. The powder horn was given to my mother, Evelyn Haman Lasseter, the daughter of John Ben's sister, Jane Pate. Jane Pate died in 1917 when my mother was three years old. Acording to my mother, "Uncle Ben" scratched and inscription in the curve of the horn a few years before his death, "Wm Pate 1773". This distinguished William Pate's powder horn from others at the old home. The powder horn is now in my possession. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnette McDuffie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" John, do you know how to get in touch with this Jim Lasseter? Supposely, Bennett Pate - John Ben Pate's brother ended up with the powder horn, which is now in the possession of Bennett's widow, Francis Buice Pate of Amboy. She is still living and I have been to her house and have pictures of her and the powder horn( last year I think). I have also been wondering who might have John Ben's notes/research and this Jim Lasseter might have them. John Pate sister, Jane married a James Monroe Haman, that's as far as I have taken that line because John Ben's Uncle John Thomas is my line. I couldn't read all the web site for the pictures were over writing. Johnette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Robinson Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" Jim Lasseter a descendant of Rev. William Pate, recently posted information and photographs of Wm. Pate's Powder Horn at Ancestry. There are excellent photographs included. I recommend viewing and downloading these photos. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jimlasseter/powderhornpage.h tml One Question? Why engrave "1773" on the powder horn? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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http://docsouth.unc.edu/csr/index.html/document/csr13-0569#p13-512 This is the roster of men in the North Carolina company under the command of Capt. Robert Fenner. Jerry Pait -------Original Message------- From: Johnette McDuffie Date: 6/2/2010 11:38:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" Thank you so very much Laynie. I may have/or not/ mentioned I have very poor computer skills. I am a retired teacher - but I did not teach computer skills ! I use my computer mainly as a word processor to record my research & book writings. But for this day and times, I wish I'd been wiser and learned computer skills! Thank you for making it easier for me. Johnette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ThorPateLine Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" Johnette, Whenever you see pictures over the text like that, decrease your text size in your browser. Here it is copy/pasted for you. Laynie In the pamplet, American Geneology of the Pate Family, published sometime between 1914-1917, author John Ben Pate refers to William Pate's powder horn. He states on page 8, "On the 29th day of january, 1777, he volunteered in the Revolution for a term of three years. He served in Capt. Robert Fenner's company, Second North Carolina Battalion, commanded by Col. John Patton. He was stationed at Camp White Plains, N.C., Sept. 9, 1778 (Adj. Genl.'s Office). The old powder horn then used is in the possession of A. and S.E. Pate, Amboy, Ga." In the same publication, John Ben Pate again refers to the powder horn in a tribute to his father, Bennet Pate (page 19). Speaking of Bennet Pate he states, "His grandfather, Rev. William Pate, was a soldier of the Revolutionary War and the old powder horn then used now hangs on the walls of the old home." The "old home" in Amboy, Ga. was occupied at the time by A. Pate, S.E. Pate, and thier mother Katherine Rainey Chandler Pate. They all lived in the "old home" until their deaths. A third mention of this powder horn is in John Ben Pate's History of Turner County. On page 116 he restates the information quoted above from page 8 of the Pate Genealogy. At some point, John Ben Pate, living across the road from the "old home" in Amboy, acquired the powder horn. It was in his possession for a period of time before his death. The powder horn was given to my mother, Evelyn Haman Lasseter, the daughter of John Ben's sister, Jane Pate. Jane Pate died in 1917 when my mother was three years old. Acording to my mother, "Uncle Ben" scratched and inscription in the curve of the horn a few years before his death, "Wm Pate 1773". This distinguished William Pate's powder horn from others at the old home. The powder horn is now in my possession. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnette McDuffie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" John, do you know how to get in touch with this Jim Lasseter? Supposely, Bennett Pate - John Ben Pate's brother ended up with the powder horn, which is now in the possession of Bennett's widow, Francis Buice Pate of Amboy. She is still living and I have been to her house and have pictures of her and the powder horn( last year I think). I have also been wondering who might have John Ben's notes/research and this Jim Lasseter might have them. John Pate sister, Jane married a James Monroe Haman, that's as far as I have taken that line because John Ben's Uncle John Thomas is my line. I couldn't read all the web site for the pictures were over writing. Johnette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Robinson Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" Jim Lasseter a descendant of Rev. William Pate, recently posted information and photographs of Wm. Pate's Powder Horn at Ancestry. There are excellent photographs included. I recommend viewing and downloading these photos. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jimlasseter/powderhornpage.h tml One Question? Why engrave "1773" on the powder horn? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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Johnette, Let me know if you got my private mail. If not, I will try sending to you from another address. Laynie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnette McDuffie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:14 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" Laynie, I just tried to send message to you at [email protected] , but it came back as error. I was wanting to know where you find text size on web pages? Johnette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ThorPateLine Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 9:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" You are most welcome, Johnette. Everything I know about computers is from being self-taught over the past 30 years of being online in some fashion or another, so not to worry - as I have found over the years, there's always someone willing to teach us new 'tricks of the trade'! :) Laynie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnette McDuffie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" Thank you so very much Laynie. I may have/or not/ mentioned I have very poor computer skills. I am a retired teacher - but I did not teach computer skills ! I use my computer mainly as a word processor to record my research & book writings. But for this day and times, I wish I'd been wiser and learned computer skills! Thank you for making it easier for me. Johnette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ThorPateLine Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" Johnette, Whenever you see pictures over the text like that, decrease your text size in your browser. Here it is copy/pasted for you. Laynie In the pamplet, American Geneology of the Pate Family, published sometime between 1914-1917, author John Ben Pate refers to William Pate's powder horn. He states on page 8, "On the 29th day of january, 1777, he volunteered in the Revolution for a term of three years. He served in Capt. Robert Fenner's company, Second North Carolina Battalion, commanded by Col. John Patton. He was stationed at Camp White Plains, N.C., Sept. 9, 1778 (Adj. Genl.'s Office). The old powder horn then used is in the possession of A. and S.E. Pate, Amboy, Ga." In the same publication, John Ben Pate again refers to the powder horn in a tribute to his father, Bennet Pate (page 19). Speaking of Bennet Pate he states, "His grandfather, Rev. William Pate, was a soldier of the Revolutionary War and the old powder horn then used now hangs on the walls of the old home." The "old home" in Amboy, Ga. was occupied at the time by A. Pate, S.E. Pate, and thier mother Katherine Rainey Chandler Pate. They all lived in the "old home" until their deaths. A third mention of this powder horn is in John Ben Pate's History of Turner County. On page 116 he restates the information quoted above from page 8 of the Pate Genealogy. At some point, John Ben Pate, living across the road from the "old home" in Amboy, acquired the powder horn. It was in his possession for a period of time before his death. The powder horn was given to my mother, Evelyn Haman Lasseter, the daughter of John Ben's sister, Jane Pate. Jane Pate died in 1917 when my mother was three years old. Acording to my mother, "Uncle Ben" scratched and inscription in the curve of the horn a few years before his death, "Wm Pate 1773". This distinguished William Pate's powder horn from others at the old home. The powder horn is now in my possession. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnette McDuffie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" John, do you know how to get in touch with this Jim Lasseter? Supposely, Bennett Pate - John Ben Pate's brother ended up with the powder horn, which is now in the possession of Bennett's widow, Francis Buice Pate of Amboy. She is still living and I have been to her house and have pictures of her and the powder horn( last year I think). I have also been wondering who might have John Ben's notes/research and this Jim Lasseter might have them. John Pate sister, Jane married a James Monroe Haman, that's as far as I have taken that line because John Ben's Uncle John Thomas is my line. I couldn't read all the web site for the pictures were over writing. Johnette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Robinson Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" Jim Lasseter a descendant of Rev. William Pate, recently posted information and photographs of Wm. Pate's Powder Horn at Ancestry. There are excellent photographs included. I recommend viewing and downloading these photos. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jimlasseter/powderhornpage.h tml One Question? Why engrave "1773" on the powder horn? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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Laynie, I just tried to send message to you at [email protected] , but it came back as error. I was wanting to know where you find text size on web pages? Johnette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ThorPateLine Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 9:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" You are most welcome, Johnette. Everything I know about computers is from being self-taught over the past 30 years of being online in some fashion or another, so not to worry - as I have found over the years, there's always someone willing to teach us new 'tricks of the trade'! :) Laynie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnette McDuffie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" Thank you so very much Laynie. I may have/or not/ mentioned I have very poor computer skills. I am a retired teacher - but I did not teach computer skills ! I use my computer mainly as a word processor to record my research & book writings. But for this day and times, I wish I'd been wiser and learned computer skills! Thank you for making it easier for me. Johnette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ThorPateLine Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" Johnette, Whenever you see pictures over the text like that, decrease your text size in your browser. Here it is copy/pasted for you. Laynie In the pamplet, American Geneology of the Pate Family, published sometime between 1914-1917, author John Ben Pate refers to William Pate's powder horn. He states on page 8, "On the 29th day of january, 1777, he volunteered in the Revolution for a term of three years. He served in Capt. Robert Fenner's company, Second North Carolina Battalion, commanded by Col. John Patton. He was stationed at Camp White Plains, N.C., Sept. 9, 1778 (Adj. Genl.'s Office). The old powder horn then used is in the possession of A. and S.E. Pate, Amboy, Ga." In the same publication, John Ben Pate again refers to the powder horn in a tribute to his father, Bennet Pate (page 19). Speaking of Bennet Pate he states, "His grandfather, Rev. William Pate, was a soldier of the Revolutionary War and the old powder horn then used now hangs on the walls of the old home." The "old home" in Amboy, Ga. was occupied at the time by A. Pate, S.E. Pate, and thier mother Katherine Rainey Chandler Pate. They all lived in the "old home" until their deaths. A third mention of this powder horn is in John Ben Pate's History of Turner County. On page 116 he restates the information quoted above from page 8 of the Pate Genealogy. At some point, John Ben Pate, living across the road from the "old home" in Amboy, acquired the powder horn. It was in his possession for a period of time before his death. The powder horn was given to my mother, Evelyn Haman Lasseter, the daughter of John Ben's sister, Jane Pate. Jane Pate died in 1917 when my mother was three years old. Acording to my mother, "Uncle Ben" scratched and inscription in the curve of the horn a few years before his death, "Wm Pate 1773". This distinguished William Pate's powder horn from others at the old home. The powder horn is now in my possession. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnette McDuffie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" John, do you know how to get in touch with this Jim Lasseter? Supposely, Bennett Pate - John Ben Pate's brother ended up with the powder horn, which is now in the possession of Bennett's widow, Francis Buice Pate of Amboy. She is still living and I have been to her house and have pictures of her and the powder horn( last year I think). I have also been wondering who might have John Ben's notes/research and this Jim Lasseter might have them. John Pate sister, Jane married a James Monroe Haman, that's as far as I have taken that line because John Ben's Uncle John Thomas is my line. I couldn't read all the web site for the pictures were over writing. Johnette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Robinson Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" Jim Lasseter a descendant of Rev. William Pate, recently posted information and photographs of Wm. Pate's Powder Horn at Ancestry. There are excellent photographs included. I recommend viewing and downloading these photos. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jimlasseter/powderhornpage.h tml One Question? Why engrave "1773" on the powder horn? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2913 - Release Date: 06/02/10 09:57:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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Stephen, Could you please provide some kind of link or title of documentation we can look up which leads to where the extortion of Chambersburg citizens by Henry Clay PATE is discussed? There are 3 of us interested in seeing what this extortion was about, one of us being a Historian/History Professor at Penn State, Mont Alto. He thinks this may have had to do with the running of illegal moonshine thru the mountains here. Thank you, Laynie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pate, Stephen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [PATE] Famous Pates No I knew it was a separate event ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Sun May 23 17:36:17 2010 Subject: Re: [PATE] Famous Pates Interesting, Stephen - My husband and I live in the area where this took place. What you have written sounds as though you are saying Henry Clay Pate was court-martialed for extorting money from the citizens of Chambersburg. Not so. Stuart took sides with Brig. Gen. Thomas Rosser during a feud with Henry Clay Pate that resulted in Pate being court-martialed, but it was not because he extorted any money from the citizens here. http://www.historynet.com/battle-of-yellow-tavern.htm/1 Laynie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pate, Stephen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [PATE] Famous Pates In confederate service he extorted money from the citizens of chambersburg pa. He was court martialed. He and jeb stuart were close friends but quarelled. They were reconciled at yellow tavern where they both died. Earlier on kansas missouri frontier he and his militia surrendered to john brown ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Sun May 23 15:23:49 2010 Subject: Re: [PATE] Famous Pates Maybe this would be of interest to someone? http://kansasboguslegislature.org/mo/pate_h_c.html Laynie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Pait" <[email protected]> To: "Joel Pate" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [PATE] Famous Pates >From what I remember about Henry Clay Pate's war record, he was not someone to be celebrated. Jerry -------Original Message------- From: Robert N. Grant Date: 5/23/2010 11:23:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] Famous Pates Dear Pate List, I found one more thing of interest about Henry Clay Pate. The biography previously posted included a mocking article or reminiscence by a Cincinnati newspaperman about Henry Clay Pate announcing himself as an author in about 1853 or 1854 in Cincinnati. The 1850 Census for Boone County, VA, listed Edmond Pate, age 67 and occupation as "writing". His son William D. Pate was listed as age 22 and his occupation as writing. His son Henry K. Pate was listed as age 17 and a student. Also in the household was Paul C. Reed, age 43 and occupation as writing, and Roseer McCarter, age 20 and occupation as writing. This is the first time I have seen "writing" as a listed occupation, much less four persons with that occupation in the same household. There is undoubtedly an interesting story about how this family became a household of self described writers and a story which would explain why Henry Clay Pate would be willing to present himself to the world as an author, especially in a rough river city like Cincinnati where he would be subjected to the kind of ridicule expressed in the newspaperman's article. Best wishes, Bob Grant On 5/23/2010 7:29 AM, Robert N. Grant wrote: > Dear List, > > Henry Clay Pate was from Bedford County, VA. I found the following > biography at http://kansasboguslegislature.org/mo/pate_h_c.html, which > I thought the group might find of interest. > > My records list Henry Clay Pate as the > 1. son of 1852 (year of death) Edmund or Edward Pate Kanawha > County,VA, now WVA, (place of death) and Sarah "Sally" (Bailey) Pate, > 2. grandson of Matthew Pate and possibly Dabney (_____) Pate, and > 3. great grandson of 1768 Edmund Pate of Bedford County, VA, and > Martha (_____) Pate. > > Bob Grant > 15 Campo Bello Court > Menlo Park, CA 94025 > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just found out my grandfather is listed as being a Star of the West medal recipient for 1898 at The Citadel, Charleston, SC - http://www.citadel.edu/main/about/campusguide/virtualtour/monuments.html My grandmother donated his uniform to The Citadel Museum before she died. I still have the dress uniform sword with his name etched in the blade and I have his class ring. He graduated in 1901, so the sword and ring are true antiques I guess! Laynie

You are most welcome, Johnette. Everything I know about computers is from being self-taught over the past 30 years of being online in some fashion or another, so not to worry - as I have found over the years, there's always someone willing to teach us new 'tricks of the trade'! :) Laynie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnette McDuffie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:45 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" Thank you so very much Laynie. I may have/or not/ mentioned I have very poor computer skills. I am a retired teacher - but I did not teach computer skills ! I use my computer mainly as a word processor to record my research & book writings. But for this day and times, I wish I'd been wiser and learned computer skills! Thank you for making it easier for me. Johnette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ThorPateLine Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" Johnette, Whenever you see pictures over the text like that, decrease your text size in your browser. Here it is copy/pasted for you. Laynie In the pamplet, American Geneology of the Pate Family, published sometime between 1914-1917, author John Ben Pate refers to William Pate's powder horn. He states on page 8, "On the 29th day of january, 1777, he volunteered in the Revolution for a term of three years. He served in Capt. Robert Fenner's company, Second North Carolina Battalion, commanded by Col. John Patton. He was stationed at Camp White Plains, N.C., Sept. 9, 1778 (Adj. Genl.'s Office). The old powder horn then used is in the possession of A. and S.E. Pate, Amboy, Ga." In the same publication, John Ben Pate again refers to the powder horn in a tribute to his father, Bennet Pate (page 19). Speaking of Bennet Pate he states, "His grandfather, Rev. William Pate, was a soldier of the Revolutionary War and the old powder horn then used now hangs on the walls of the old home." The "old home" in Amboy, Ga. was occupied at the time by A. Pate, S.E. Pate, and thier mother Katherine Rainey Chandler Pate. They all lived in the "old home" until their deaths. A third mention of this powder horn is in John Ben Pate's History of Turner County. On page 116 he restates the information quoted above from page 8 of the Pate Genealogy. At some point, John Ben Pate, living across the road from the "old home" in Amboy, acquired the powder horn. It was in his possession for a period of time before his death. The powder horn was given to my mother, Evelyn Haman Lasseter, the daughter of John Ben's sister, Jane Pate. Jane Pate died in 1917 when my mother was three years old. Acording to my mother, "Uncle Ben" scratched and inscription in the curve of the horn a few years before his death, "Wm Pate 1773". This distinguished William Pate's powder horn from others at the old home. The powder horn is now in my possession. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnette McDuffie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" John, do you know how to get in touch with this Jim Lasseter? Supposely, Bennett Pate - John Ben Pate's brother ended up with the powder horn, which is now in the possession of Bennett's widow, Francis Buice Pate of Amboy. She is still living and I have been to her house and have pictures of her and the powder horn( last year I think). I have also been wondering who might have John Ben's notes/research and this Jim Lasseter might have them. John Pate sister, Jane married a James Monroe Haman, that's as far as I have taken that line because John Ben's Uncle John Thomas is my line. I couldn't read all the web site for the pictures were over writing. Johnette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Robinson Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" Jim Lasseter a descendant of Rev. William Pate, recently posted information and photographs of Wm. Pate's Powder Horn at Ancestry. There are excellent photographs included. I recommend viewing and downloading these photos. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jimlasseter/powderhornpage.h tml One Question? 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Thank you so very much Laynie. I may have/or not/ mentioned I have very poor computer skills. I am a retired teacher - but I did not teach computer skills ! I use my computer mainly as a word processor to record my research & book writings. But for this day and times, I wish I'd been wiser and learned computer skills! Thank you for making it easier for me. Johnette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ThorPateLine Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" Johnette, Whenever you see pictures over the text like that, decrease your text size in your browser. Here it is copy/pasted for you. Laynie In the pamplet, American Geneology of the Pate Family, published sometime between 1914-1917, author John Ben Pate refers to William Pate's powder horn. He states on page 8, "On the 29th day of january, 1777, he volunteered in the Revolution for a term of three years. He served in Capt. Robert Fenner's company, Second North Carolina Battalion, commanded by Col. John Patton. He was stationed at Camp White Plains, N.C., Sept. 9, 1778 (Adj. Genl.'s Office). The old powder horn then used is in the possession of A. and S.E. Pate, Amboy, Ga." In the same publication, John Ben Pate again refers to the powder horn in a tribute to his father, Bennet Pate (page 19). Speaking of Bennet Pate he states, "His grandfather, Rev. William Pate, was a soldier of the Revolutionary War and the old powder horn then used now hangs on the walls of the old home." The "old home" in Amboy, Ga. was occupied at the time by A. Pate, S.E. Pate, and thier mother Katherine Rainey Chandler Pate. They all lived in the "old home" until their deaths. A third mention of this powder horn is in John Ben Pate's History of Turner County. On page 116 he restates the information quoted above from page 8 of the Pate Genealogy. At some point, John Ben Pate, living across the road from the "old home" in Amboy, acquired the powder horn. It was in his possession for a period of time before his death. The powder horn was given to my mother, Evelyn Haman Lasseter, the daughter of John Ben's sister, Jane Pate. Jane Pate died in 1917 when my mother was three years old. Acording to my mother, "Uncle Ben" scratched and inscription in the curve of the horn a few years before his death, "Wm Pate 1773". This distinguished William Pate's powder horn from others at the old home. The powder horn is now in my possession. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnette McDuffie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" John, do you know how to get in touch with this Jim Lasseter? Supposely, Bennett Pate - John Ben Pate's brother ended up with the powder horn, which is now in the possession of Bennett's widow, Francis Buice Pate of Amboy. She is still living and I have been to her house and have pictures of her and the powder horn( last year I think). I have also been wondering who might have John Ben's notes/research and this Jim Lasseter might have them. John Pate sister, Jane married a James Monroe Haman, that's as far as I have taken that line because John Ben's Uncle John Thomas is my line. I couldn't read all the web site for the pictures were over writing. Johnette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Robinson Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" Jim Lasseter a descendant of Rev. William Pate, recently posted information and photographs of Wm. Pate's Powder Horn at Ancestry. There are excellent photographs included. I recommend viewing and downloading these photos. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jimlasseter/powderhornpage.h tml One Question? Why engrave "1773" on the powder horn? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2913 - Release Date: 06/02/10 09:57:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2913 - Release Date: 06/02/10 09:57:00

Johnette, Whenever you see pictures over the text like that, decrease your text size in your browser. Here it is copy/pasted for you. Laynie In the pamplet, American Geneology of the Pate Family, published sometime between 1914-1917, author John Ben Pate refers to William Pate's powder horn. He states on page 8, "On the 29th day of january, 1777, he volunteered in the Revolution for a term of three years. He served in Capt. Robert Fenner's company, Second North Carolina Battalion, commanded by Col. John Patton. He was stationed at Camp White Plains, N.C., Sept. 9, 1778 (Adj. Genl.'s Office). The old powder horn then used is in the possession of A. and S.E. Pate, Amboy, Ga." In the same publication, John Ben Pate again refers to the powder horn in a tribute to his father, Bennet Pate (page 19). Speaking of Bennet Pate he states, "His grandfather, Rev. William Pate, was a soldier of the Revolutionary War and the old powder horn then used now hangs on the walls of the old home." The "old home" in Amboy, Ga. was occupied at the time by A. Pate, S.E. Pate, and thier mother Katherine Rainey Chandler Pate. They all lived in the "old home" until their deaths. A third mention of this powder horn is in John Ben Pate's History of Turner County. On page 116 he restates the information quoted above from page 8 of the Pate Genealogy. At some point, John Ben Pate, living across the road from the "old home" in Amboy, acquired the powder horn. It was in his possession for a period of time before his death. The powder horn was given to my mother, Evelyn Haman Lasseter, the daughter of John Ben's sister, Jane Pate. Jane Pate died in 1917 when my mother was three years old. Acording to my mother, "Uncle Ben" scratched and inscription in the curve of the horn a few years before his death, "Wm Pate 1773". This distinguished William Pate's powder horn from others at the old home. The powder horn is now in my possession. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnette McDuffie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" John, do you know how to get in touch with this Jim Lasseter? Supposely, Bennett Pate - John Ben Pate's brother ended up with the powder horn, which is now in the possession of Bennett's widow, Francis Buice Pate of Amboy. She is still living and I have been to her house and have pictures of her and the powder horn( last year I think). I have also been wondering who might have John Ben's notes/research and this Jim Lasseter might have them. John Pate sister, Jane married a James Monroe Haman, that's as far as I have taken that line because John Ben's Uncle John Thomas is my line. I couldn't read all the web site for the pictures were over writing. Johnette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Robinson Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" Jim Lasseter a descendant of Rev. William Pate, recently posted information and photographs of Wm. Pate's Powder Horn at Ancestry. There are excellent photographs included. I recommend viewing and downloading these photos. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jimlasseter/powderhornpage.h tml One Question? Why engrave "1773" on the powder horn? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2913 - Release Date: 06/02/10 09:57:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, do you know how to get in touch with this Jim Lasseter? Supposely, Bennett Pate - John Ben Pate's brother ended up with the powder horn, which is now in the possession of Bennett's widow, Francis Buice Pate of Amboy. She is still living and I have been to her house and have pictures of her and the powder horn( last year I think). I have also been wondering who might have John Ben's notes/research and this Jim Lasseter might have them. John Pate sister, Jane married a James Monroe Haman, that's as far as I have taken that line because John Ben's Uncle John Thomas is my line. I couldn't read all the web site for the pictures were over writing. Johnette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Robinson Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PATE] Wm. Pate Powder Horn "1773" Jim Lasseter a descendant of Rev. William Pate, recently posted information and photographs of Wm. Pate's Powder Horn at Ancestry. There are excellent photographs included. I recommend viewing and downloading these photos. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jimlasseter/powderhornpage.h tml One Question? Why engrave "1773" on the powder horn? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2913 - Release Date: 06/02/10 09:57:00

Jim Lasseter a descendant of Rev. William Pate, recently posted information and photographs of Wm. Pate's Powder Horn at Ancestry. There are excellent photographs included. I recommend viewing and downloading these photos. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jimlasseter/powderhornpage.html One Question? Why engrave "1773" on the powder horn?

Abstract for deed recorded in Early Co GA Deed Bk A, p449-450; Source: LDS microfilm 164051 GA/Jefferson Co 27 Mar 1823, Chloe Pate of the county aforesaid to Redding Pate of the county of Burk [Burke] for & in consideration of $68 to her in hand paid... that tract or lot of land situate lying and being in the second[?] district... in plan of said district by #19 [s] Chloe Pate [w] H [or A] P Turner Thomas Z Jourdan D T Smith [r] 4 March 1825 I am not positive the district # is second. Writing is sloppy plus an ink blob. Comparing to land lottery records should confirm the district #. Lindy

So sorry AJ -- I did it again! AJ, I actually learned something about the older 'ancient' Latin as I was doing that - there were many words that had several masculine and feminine uses - so as I was looking them up, I had to assume whether it was discussing the male or female. I love working with stuff like this as I am an avid crossword puzzle buff - so I gleaned some knowledge for solving those as well. I am really looking forward to seeing the work that a true Latin scholar provides us with! Laynie ----- Original Message ----- From: "DonnaAnnRoberts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [PATE] Latin translation for Pate memorial -- Laynie AJ, I actually learned something about the older 'ancient' Latin as I was doing that - there were many words that had several masculine and feminine uses - so as I was looking them up, I had to assume whether it was discussing the male or female. I love working with stuff like this as I am an avid crossword puzzle buff - so I gleaned some knowledge for solving those as well. I am really looking forward to seeing the work that a true Latin scholar provides us with! Laynie ----- Original Message ----- From: "AJ" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:41 AM Subject: [PATE] Latin translation for Pate memorial -- Laynie Laynie, Thanks for all the effort you made on translating the inscription. It can be fun but also frustrating. The complexity lies in determining which meaning of a word to use. Of course, we have the same problem with English. Pick a common word in English, then look in a dictionary at all the possible meanings it could have. For example, a former president once famously said, "It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is." We probably should wait until a real Latin scholar translates this, but knowing the context of the inscription and using your work, you can get a general sense of its meaning. The Latin phrase "Johanne Pate (de Sysonby in comitatu Leicestriensi) baronettu" can be translated as "John Pate (of Sysonby in the county of Leicester) baronet". There are tributes to both John and Elizabeth. The date 1659 refers to the year of Sir John's death and his burial at St. Giles near London. I think it may be saying that he was 67 years old at his death, which would make him born in 1592. It also has the date of Elizabeth's death as 1628 at age 37, which would make the year of her birth as 1591. As contributors of the memorial, both daughters' names are noted, and it appears the other children are noted in total. It ends with the sentiment that their bodies are awaiting the Resurrection. There is also another arms and briefer Latin inscription on the wall of the same church for Edward and Katherine Pate of Kettleby, but I'm not going to post it until this one has been translated. It would just muddy the water at this point. There have been several offers of possible assistance from some true Latin scholars. Hopefully we will soon see what they produce. I appreciate your interest and your contrbutions to the Listserve. A. J. ________________________________________ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 00:59:03 -0400 From: "ThorPateLine" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PATE] Latin translation for Pate memorial in Melton Mowbray AJ, I would love to know the actual translation if you can get it, but I figured out the gist of it by translating word for word using a couple of sites: http://www.stars21.com/translator/latin_to_english.html (with all sources checked on the left) and http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/guide/WLLatin1.asp#a Here are my results - which actually was kind of fun to do! :) Laynie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You can tell I am babysitting my grandson again - I always forget when using my daughter's computer to change over to AOL. Sorry for the confusion. Very interesting, John, thanks for the lesson! There are many cross-references in my own Pate (maternal side) of the family with the name 'McLauren' - so could that also be part of that same Scottish Clan? Laynie ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: [PATE] British Coat of Arms This issue comes up from time to time and I provide the link to the British College of Arms. This is the government website that governs Arms. http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/ Arms are not granted to Families, but to individuals. As such, there is NO Pate Family Coat of Arms. There are many websites that display Arms, which are associated with surnames. This is one: http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.fc/qx/pate-family-crest.htm I do not recommend this site, just included it as an example. If you're feeling Scottish, there is a Scottish Clan, MacLabhruinn or MacLaren, that includes the Pate or Patrick surname: http://www.scotclans.com/scottish_clans/clan_maclaren/ Again, I'm not recommending this website, but I find it an interesting read. I joined Clan Gunn, based upon my parents surnames. Both Robinson and Wilson are seps of Clan Gunn. Any Pate or Pate descendant would be considered for membership in Clan MacLabhruinn. It would also be proper to wear the clan badge and tartan. This is the Clan MacLaren Society of North America: http://www.clanmaclarenna.org/ I would rather be a Scottish Warrior than a British Lord. Aut Pax Aut Bellum (Either peace or war) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

AJ, I actually learned something about the older 'ancient' Latin as I was doing that - there were many words that had several masculine and feminine uses - so as I was looking them up, I had to assume whether it was discussing the male or female. I love working with stuff like this as I am an avid crossword puzzle buff - so I gleaned some knowledge for solving those as well. I am really looking forward to seeing the work that a true Latin scholar provides us with! Laynie ----- Original Message ----- From: "AJ" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:41 AM Subject: [PATE] Latin translation for Pate memorial -- Laynie Laynie, Thanks for all the effort you made on translating the inscription. It can be fun but also frustrating. The complexity lies in determining which meaning of a word to use. Of course, we have the same problem with English. Pick a common word in English, then look in a dictionary at all the possible meanings it could have. For example, a former president once famously said, "It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is." We probably should wait until a real Latin scholar translates this, but knowing the context of the inscription and using your work, you can get a general sense of its meaning. The Latin phrase "Johanne Pate (de Sysonby in comitatu Leicestriensi) baronettu" can be translated as "John Pate (of Sysonby in the county of Leicester) baronet". There are tributes to both John and Elizabeth. The date 1659 refers to the year of Sir John's death and his burial at St. Giles near London. I think it may be saying that he was 67 years old at his death, which would make him born in 1592. It also has the date of Elizabeth's death as 1628 at age 37, which would make the year of her birth as 1591. As contributors of the memorial, both daughters' names are noted, and it appears the other children are noted in total. It ends with the sentiment that their bodies are awaiting the Resurrection. There is also another arms and briefer Latin inscription on the wall of the same church for Edward and Katherine Pate of Kettleby, but I'm not going to post it until this one has been translated. It would just muddy the water at this point. There have been several offers of possible assistance from some true Latin scholars. Hopefully we will soon see what they produce. I appreciate your interest and your contrbutions to the Listserve. A. J. ________________________________________ Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 00:59:03 -0400 From: "ThorPateLine" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PATE] Latin translation for Pate memorial in Melton Mowbray AJ, I would love to know the actual translation if you can get it, but I figured out the gist of it by translating word for word using a couple of sites: http://www.stars21.com/translator/latin_to_english.html (with all sources checked on the left) and http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/guide/WLLatin1.asp#a Here are my results - which actually was kind of fun to do! :) Laynie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Very interesting, John, thanks for the lesson! There are many cross-references in my own Pate (maternal side) of the family with the name 'McLauren' - so could that also be part of that same Scottish Clan? Laynie ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: [PATE] British Coat of Arms This issue comes up from time to time and I provide the link to the British College of Arms. This is the government website that governs Arms. http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/ Arms are not granted to Families, but to individuals. As such, there is NO Pate Family Coat of Arms. There are many websites that display Arms, which are associated with surnames. This is one: http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.fc/qx/pate-family-crest.htm I do not recommend this site, just included it as an example. If you're feeling Scottish, there is a Scottish Clan, MacLabhruinn or MacLaren, that includes the Pate or Patrick surname: http://www.scotclans.com/scottish_clans/clan_maclaren/ Again, I'm not recommending this website, but I find it an interesting read. I joined Clan Gunn, based upon my parents surnames. Both Robinson and Wilson are seps of Clan Gunn. Any Pate or Pate descendant would be considered for membership in Clan MacLabhruinn. It would also be proper to wear the clan badge and tartan. This is the Clan MacLaren Society of North America: http://www.clanmaclarenna.org/ I would rather be a Scottish Warrior than a British Lord. Aut Pax Aut Bellum (Either peace or war) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have always viewed Memorial day in the light that all of the Allies at that time gave blood and treasure to stop the growth of tyranny. Wars have an impact on Genealogical studies and shouldn't really cause a lot of fuss in research activities. I have found that "off topic" subjects die quickly, if listserve members are not intent on "stirring the pot" Tom, you "jammed the stick in the wasp nest".... Back your ears and endure the stings. I'm not offended by any of the "Off topic" posts. Lynn Pate Arkansas, USA

Just a very brief comment on your message to Johnette. There is much more I could say, but won't. The Listserve should not be bogged down in debate, rebuttals, and re-rebuttals. Any such discussions should be continued by private email, if at all, which in this case I have no further interest in doing. Since you chose to post your comments publicly rather than privately to me, I was compelled to respond in public, though no further. It is highly regrettable that you received any "hate mail", which I would be very surprised if it came from any subscriber to this Listserve. In any case, since you addressed Johnette directly and me indirectly in your last email, it would have been good form to state clearly that you had received no "hate mail" from either one of us. Inferences could have been drawn otherwise. Moving on . . . . If you know any "genuine" Pate researchers in England, we could sure use their help. At the end of my paper on Sir John Pate, I noted a number of issues and related documents, which, through diligent research in England, could provide very valuable genealogical information about the several Pate family lines in England 1500-1700 and their relationships with the Pate's who emigrated to colonial Virginia in the 1600s. It is difficult to imagine a genuine Pate researcher living in England, where these critical documents are located, not having great interest and eagerness in digging out those elusive records. Personally, I have seen no evidence of engagement by any Pate's in England, but their involvement would certainly be welcomed, and maybe essential for ever solving some of our open questions. Over the years, I have posted a number of inquiries on various British boards and forums, and never received a single response. We only have one member of the Pate DNA Project from England, out of the over 130 total membership. Their DNA could be very informative in connecting to the Pate families in America, especially if they also had family genealogies dating back to at least 1700. We would welcome a tidal wave of new members from England and the former British colonies. A. J. Pate

This issue comes up from time to time and I provide the link to the British College of Arms. This is the government website that governs Arms. http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/ Arms are not granted to Families, but to individuals. As such, there is NO Pate Family Coat of Arms. There are many websites that display Arms, which are associated with surnames. This is one: http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.fc/qx/pate-family-crest.htm I do not recommend this site, just included it as an example. If you're feeling Scottish, there is a Scottish Clan, MacLabhruinn or MacLaren, that includes the Pate or Patrick surname: http://www.scotclans.com/scottish_clans/clan_maclaren/ Again, I'm not recommending this website, but I find it an interesting read. I joined Clan Gunn, based upon my parents surnames. Both Robinson and Wilson are seps of Clan Gunn. Any Pate or Pate descendant would be considered for membership in Clan MacLabhruinn. It would also be proper to wear the clan badge and tartan. This is the Clan MacLaren Society of North America: http://www.clanmaclarenna.org/ I would rather be a Scottish Warrior than a British Lord. Aut Pax Aut Bellum (Either peace or war)