With the recovery and repatriation of the remains of Senior Master Sergeant Gary Pate, USAF, all eight of the Pate familiy members who were killed or died of wounds or injuries received in South Viet Nam or Laos have been accounted for. Following is essential data for each loss. Data includes home state, name, rank, service branch, home town and state, date of death (declaration), place of death or injury, date of birth, cause of death, location of citation on Viet Nam War Memorial. The profile for Senior Master Sergeant Gary Pate will, no doubt, be changed to reflect his date of death as 22Mar68 and Killed in Action -Hostile. AL - PATE WILLIAM LAWRENCE LCPL USMC ROBERTSDALE AL 16MAY68 S.VIET NAM 08MAR49 HOSTILE, KILLED. -- Panel 61E, line 16 FL - PATE WILLIAM CPL USA LAKE CITY FL 12MAY68 S.VIET NAM 03AUG45 HOSTILE, KILLED. -- Panel 59E, line 10 GA - PATE GARY SMS USAF BROOKS GA 09JAN75 LAOS 03JUN46 HOSTILE, DIED-MISSING BNR. -- Panel 66E, Line 3 IN - PATE RICKY ALAN PFC USA GREENSBURG IN 13OCT71 S.VIET NAM 28JUN53 NON-HOS.DIED-OTHER -- Panel 02W, Line 38 NC - PATE ROBERT LEE III PFC USA BURLINGTON NC 23MAR67 S.VIET NAM 07NOV46 HOSTILE, KILLED. -- Panel 17E, line 30 SC - PATE RONALD DALE CPL USMC CHARLESTON HEIGHTS SC 05FEB70 S.VIET NAM 10MAR48 NON-HOSTILE DIED-OTHER -- Panel 14W, Line 104 TN - PATE JOHN H JR SGT USA KNOXVILLE TN 05MAY68 S.VIET NAM 11SEP40 HOSTILE, DIED-WOUNDS -- Panel 55E, Line 26 TX - PATE MILTON DALE 1LT USA GALVESTON TX 31OCT68 S.VIET NAM 25JUL45 NON-HOSTILE DIED-OTHER - Panel 40W, Line 66 Joel -- PATE DNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pate-dna-project Sharing Our Past, Our Present and Our Future PATE LIST SERVE [email protected] A free E-Mail Forum for PATE Researchers

I know this is for the Pate name, but Dallas Padgett's mother was a Pate, My Aunt. He was a special forces medic killed working with MACV-SOG. PADGETT DALLAS LANDON US-54513540 PFC 21 2/4/47 SINGLE BACLIFF TX 1/6/69 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joel Pate Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 10:30 AM To: [email protected] com Subject: [PATE] Pate Losses in South Viet Nam and Laos With the recovery and repatriation of the remains of Senior Master Sergeant Gary Pate, USAF, all eight of the Pate familiy members who were killed or died of wounds or injuries received in South Viet Nam or Laos have been accounted for. Following is essential data for each loss. Data includes home state, name, rank, service branch, home town and state, date of death (declaration), place of death or injury, date of birth, cause of death, location of citation on Viet Nam War Memorial. The profile for Senior Master Sergeant Gary Pate will, no doubt, be changed to reflect his date of death as 22Mar68 and Killed in Action -Hostile. AL - PATE WILLIAM LAWRENCE LCPL USMC ROBERTSDALE AL 16MAY68 S.VIET NAM 08MAR49 HOSTILE, KILLED. -- Panel 61E, line 16 FL - PATE WILLIAM CPL USA LAKE CITY FL 12MAY68 S.VIET NAM 03AUG45 HOSTILE, KILLED. -- Panel 59E, line 10 GA - PATE GARY SMS USAF BROOKS GA 09JAN75 LAOS 03JUN46 HOSTILE, DIED-MISSING BNR. -- Panel 66E, Line 3 IN - PATE RICKY ALAN PFC USA GREENSBURG IN 13OCT71 S.VIET NAM 28JUN53 NON-HOS.DIED-OTHER -- Panel 02W, Line 38 NC - PATE ROBERT LEE III PFC USA BURLINGTON NC 23MAR67 S.VIET NAM 07NOV46 HOSTILE, KILLED. -- Panel 17E, line 30 SC - PATE RONALD DALE CPL USMC CHARLESTON HEIGHTS SC 05FEB70 S.VIET NAM 10MAR48 NON-HOSTILE DIED-OTHER -- Panel 14W, Line 104 TN - PATE JOHN H JR SGT USA KNOXVILLE TN 05MAY68 S.VIET NAM 11SEP40 HOSTILE, DIED-WOUNDS -- Panel 55E, Line 26 TX - PATE MILTON DALE 1LT USA GALVESTON TX 31OCT68 S.VIET NAM 25JUL45 NON-HOSTILE DIED-OTHER - Panel 40W, Line 66 Joel -- PATE DNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pate-dna-project Sharing Our Past, Our Present and Our Future PATE LIST SERVE [email protected] A free E-Mail Forum for PATE Researchers ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I just found out that Footnote.com is allowing free access to their Civil War Records throughout the month of June 2010. You do have to register with them (or log in to your existing account) to view the records. On that note, I am trying to include a table in this post that I made using Microsoft Excel. It is a list of some of the Pates that served in the Civil War in various regiments in Illinois. I compiled this information using the Illinois State Archives website (from their Civil War Rosters Database) and some of it is info found on Footnote.com that I merged with ISA data. Please double-check, as there may be errors! Infantry Co Name of Soldier Nativity Reg. 8 I James M. can't find 11 B Charles S. Union Co., IL 17 D James M. can't find 29 C Andrew Dearborn Co., IN 29 C James R. Dearborn Co., IN 31 D John Tennessee 31 D Joseph N. Vienna, Johnson, IL 31 D Mathew Tennessee 35 D Andrew J. Cook Co., MO 35 D Francis M. Vermilion Co., IL 35 D William S. Catlin, IL 44 F John IL 49 D Matthew Saline Co., IL 50 A Henry can't find 50 F Henry Giles Co., TN 56 E Abraham Posey Co., IN 56 E Wesley Williamson Co., IL 59 H Andrew J. see 35 Co D above 65 F George W. see George W.- 112th 69 H George W. n/a 78 E Noah Wilson Co., TN 78 H John W. Dallas, Hancock, IL 81 H James I. can't find 81 H Lusilious G. IL 94 C Thomas J. Butler Co., TN 109 H Charles S. see Reg 11 Co B 111 B Milton M. Washington Co., IL 112 F George W. Wayne Co., NY 125 G Lazarus H. Lowburg, Dearborn, IN 131 E James R. same James R. Pate 149 C Lewis F. Vermilion Co., IL 154 D Jerry IL Regiment of CAVALRY 6 L James Dearborn Co., IN 6 L Amster B. Wilmington, Dearborn Co. IN 6 ? Jasper N. Pait Union Co., IL I hope the formatting will stay put when I send it to the list; if it won't post properly, and you are interested in this file (which also contains residence and age of some of the soldiers and notes on a few of them), please e-mail me privately, and I will send you a copy. Thanks, April

4 June 2010 Grace Pate Anderson Willoughby GRIFTON - Grace Pate Anderson Willoughby, 76, of 6708D Grayhill Circle, died Friday, June 4, 2010, at Pitt County Memorial Hospital. The funeral will be held at 2 p.m. Sunday, June 6, at Garner Funeral Home with the Rev. Norman Davis officiating. Interment will follow in the Harper Family Cemetery. Survivors include her daughter, Tammy A. Douglas of Grifton; sons Charles 'Bo' Anderson of Greenville and Ricky D. Anderson of Pink Hill; sisters Helen Driver of Maysville and Joyce Brinson of Richlands; brothers Israel Pate of La Grange, Lonnie Pate of Kinston and Samuel Pate of Deep Run; five grandchildren; and one great-grandchild. Visitation will be held from 7-9 p.m. Saturday, June 5, at the funeral home.

Franklin Scott Pate (1945 - 2010) Franklin Scott Pate, 64, of Brownstown and formerly of Punta Gorda, Fla., Medora, El Paso, Texas, and Oakwood, Ill., passed away after a lengthy illness at 8:20 a.m. Thursday, June 3, 2010, at his residence with his family by his side. Mr. Pate attended Union High School in Dugger and was a self-employed landscaper, construction worker and farmer. He was a member of Epsworth Methodist Church in Memphis, Tenn., for many years before becoming a member of the United Methodist Church of Brownstown. He enjoyed his three dogs, Pee-Wee, Tiny and Wee-Wee. Born June 9, 1945, in Memphis, Tenn., he was the son of Clarence and Hilda Balbach Pate, both of whom preceded him in death. Survivors include a sister, Betty Nesslage, Las Vegas; four nieces, Paula G. Smith Kelleher and Catherine A. Weeks, both of Apple Valley, Calif., Becky Eddins, California, and Patsy Kellogg; one nephew, Louis Kellogg III; two great-nephews; four great-nieces; two great-great-nieces; three great-great-nephews; and his beloved, Jeanette Sitterding, Brownstown. He was preceded in death by three sisters, Dorothy Pate, Patsy Pate Martin and Mary Pate Zullman, and his friend, Martha Stewart. A celebration of the life of Franklin Scott Pate will begin at 2 p.m. Sunday at Sunset Funeral Home, Danville, Ill. Friends may call from noon until time of service Sunday at the funeral home. Burial will take place Monday at Oakwood Cemetery, Oakwood, Ill. Memorials may be given to the American Cancer Society . www.sunsetfuneralhome.com Published in Tribune from June 5 to June 9, 2010

Thanks, AJ -- it's nice to know they are still searching for the POW/MIAs - and identifying them as well! God rest all their good souls. Laynie ----- Original Message ----- From: "AJ" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 2:20 PM Subject: [PATE] Master Sgt. Gary Pate, Brooks, Ga., missing in action,Vietnam War, remains identified I just noticed that someone had posted this Department of Defense press release, dated June 10, 2010, on the Rootsweb Pate Forum. Our highest regards to him and his family for his honorable service. May he rest in peace and eternal light shine upon him. A. J. Pate http://www.defense.gov/utility/printitem.aspx?print=http://www.defense.gov/Releases/Release.aspx?ReleaseID=13596 IMMEDIATE RELEASE No. 479-10 June 10, 2010 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Airmen Missing From Vietnam War Identified The Department of Defense POW/Missing Personnel Office announced today that the remains of nine U.S. servicemen, missing in action from the Vietnam War, have been accounted-for and returned to their families for burial with full military honors. Air Force Col. William H. Mason, Camden, Ark.; Lt. Col. Jerry L. Chambers, Muskogee, Okla.; Maj. William T. McPhail, Chattanooga, Tenn.; Maj. Thomas B. Mitchell, Littleton, Colo.; Chief Master Sgt. John Q. Adam, Bethel, Kan.; Chief Master Sgt. Calvin C. Glover, Steubenville, Ohio; Chief Master Sgt. Thomas E. Knebel, Midway, Ark.; Chief Master Sgt. Melvin D. Rash, Yorktown, Va.; and Master Sgt. Gary Pate, Brooks, Ga., were buried as a group today in Arlington National Cemetery. The individually identified remains of each airman were previously returned to their families for burial. On May 22, 1968, these men were aboard a C-130A Hercules on an evening flare mission over northern Salavan Province, Laos. Fifteen minutes after the aircraft made a radio call, the crew of another U.S. aircraft observed a large ground fire near the last known location of Mason's aircraft. Search and rescue attempts were not initiated due to heavy antiaircraft fire in the area. Analysts from DPMO developed case leads with information spanning more than 40 years. Through interviews with eyewitnesses and research in the National Archives, several locations in Laos and South Vietnam were pinpointed as potential crash sites. Between 1989 and 2008, teams from Laos People's Democratic Republic and the Vietnam, led by the Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command, pursued leads, interviewed villagers, and conducted 10 field investigations and four excavations in Quang Tri Province, Vietnam. They recovered aircraft wreckage, human remains, crew-related equipment and personal effects. Scientists from JPAC and the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory also used mitochondrial DNA - which matched that of the crewmembers' families - as well as dental comparisons in the identification of the remains. Since late 1973, the remains of 927 Americans killed in the Vietnam War have been accounted-for and returned to their families. With the accounting of these airmen, 1,719 service members still remain missing from the conflict. For additional information on the Defense Department's mission to account for missing Americans, visit the DPMO Web site at http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo or call 703- 699-1169. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

According to my records, which are always subject to correction, especially the dates, I have Allen Pate as a son of Samuel Pate, 1725 NC - 1810 SC, and a brother of the much-discussed Rev. William Pate. Samuel was a son of Charles Pate, 1690 NC - 1769 NC, and grandson of Thoroughgood Pate, c. 1640 England - 1713 NC. Samuel Pate is believed to have had six sons, and two of them are represented in the Pate DNA Project, Bennett and Rev. William. We would like to have a descendant of Allen Pate to join the Project to represent that family line. In 1840, Allen Pate bought 80 acres of land with his patent issued by the Tuscaloosa office. He was described as "Allen Pate of Bibb County". My roots are pretty deep in Alabama. I've probably posted most of this before, but will post it again since we're discussing Alabama genealogy in hope that a new subscriber may have some new information.. My greatgreat-grandfather was Newell Walton Pate. I have been unable to determine who his father was. He was born in Georgia c. 1811, and came to Alabama after 1820. He married Harriett Brown in Tuscaloosa in 1829 at age 18 or 19. He was the second Pate to buy land in Tuscaloosa after Charles Pate (died 1837), and when he bought his first land, Charles went with him and bought land on the same day. Newell bought two patents, which was unusual for a first purchase (especially since Newell was only in his early 20s), while Charles was buying three patents. In Tuscaloosa, there were two other Pate men, Thomas and William. They even bought a land patent as joint owners. There is also a Rev. William who died in Pickens County in 1841 (not the Rev. William of Georgia). There are Thomases all over the place. There was a Thomas Pate who showed up in Alabama in the 1830s and lived near Newell, Gilbert, and Lewis in Pickens County. He was born about 1760. I have been unable to pin down exactly who he was. Some speculate he was father of Newell, but he was old enough to be Newell's grandfather, and little or no proof is offered beyond the fact that they lived near each other. These Pate's, in Pickens County Alabama in the 1830-40s, owned land close together. I named them the Bear Creek Pate's: Lewis R., Newell W., Gilbert G., Thomas, and William. All had land along the banks of Bear Creek. Newell and Gilbert G. named their first sons after each other. Newell, Gilbert, and Lewis all moved to Mississippi together and bought land. Lewis moved on to Arkansas, Gilbert went back to Alabama where he died, and Newell came to Henderson County,Texas in 1851 (died c. 1855). Newell named his second son, Thomas Benjamin Pate (b. 1835), my great-grandfather. Some have cited this as proof that the Alabama Thomas was Newell's father. However, following traditional naming patterns, he could have been named after his maternal grandfather, Thomas Brown, father of Harriett Brown. Thanks, Janice, for posting this link. A. J. Pate ____________________________________________ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:21:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Janice Marler <[email protected]> Subject: [PATE] Alabama Pioneers I saw on another site that there is great information to be found at alabamapioneers.com. I found a gedcom file there for Allen Pate b. 1776 NC d. bef. 1860 Bibb Co., AL.

It's nice to know people still care. Tarrie --- On Sat, 6/12/10, AJ <[email protected]> wrote: From: AJ <[email protected]> Subject: [PATE] Master Sgt. Gary Pate, Brooks, Ga., missing in action, Vietnam War, remains identified To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, June 12, 2010, 6:20 PM I just noticed that someone had posted this Department of Defense press release, dated June 10, 2010, on the Rootsweb Pate Forum.  Our highest regards to him and his family for his honorable service.  May he rest in peace and eternal light shine upon him. A. J. Pate http://www.defense.gov/utility/printitem.aspx?print=http://www.defense.gov/Releases/Release.aspx?ReleaseID=13596       IMMEDIATE RELEASE No. 479-10       June 10, 2010 --------------------------------------------------------------------------             Airmen Missing From Vietnam War Identified                        The Department of Defense POW/Missing Personnel Office announced today that the remains of nine U.S. servicemen, missing in action from the Vietnam War, have been accounted-for and returned to their families for burial with full military honors.                        Air Force Col. William H. Mason, Camden, Ark.; Lt. Col. Jerry L. Chambers, Muskogee, Okla.; Maj. William T. McPhail, Chattanooga, Tenn.; Maj. Thomas B. Mitchell,  Littleton, Colo.; Chief Master Sgt. John Q. Adam, Bethel, Kan.; Chief Master Sgt. Calvin C. Glover, Steubenville, Ohio; Chief Master Sgt. Thomas E. Knebel, Midway, Ark.; Chief Master Sgt. Melvin D. Rash, Yorktown, Va.; and Master Sgt. Gary Pate, Brooks, Ga., were buried as a group today in Arlington National Cemetery.  The individually identified remains of each airman were previously returned to their families for burial.                        On May 22, 1968, these men were aboard a C-130A Hercules on an evening flare mission over northern Salavan Province, Laos.  Fifteen minutes after the aircraft made a radio call, the crew of another U.S. aircraft observed a large ground fire near the last known location of Mason's aircraft.  Search and rescue attempts were not initiated due to heavy antiaircraft fire in the area.                        Analysts from DPMO developed case leads with information spanning more than 40 years.  Through interviews with eyewitnesses and research in the National Archives, several locations in Laos and South Vietnam were pinpointed as potential crash sites. Between 1989 and 2008, teams from Laos People's Democratic Republic and the Vietnam, led by the Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command, pursued leads, interviewed villagers, and conducted 10 field investigations and four excavations in Quang Tri Province, Vietnam.  They recovered aircraft wreckage, human remains, crew-related equipment and personal effects.                        Scientists from JPAC and the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory also used mitochondrial DNA - which matched that of the crewmembers' families - as well as dental comparisons in the identification of the remains.                        Since late 1973, the remains of 927 Americans killed in the Vietnam War have been accounted-for and returned to their families.  With the accounting of these airmen, 1,719 service members still remain missing from the conflict.                        For additional information on the Defense Department's mission to account for missing Americans, visit the DPMO Web site at http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo or call 703- 699-1169.       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carter and John, Thanks for your interesting insight on causes of migrations and our family origins. We know that these events did not happen in a vacuum. A family is not going to pull up stakes from their ancestral homelands on a whimsey, leaving behind their possessions and extended families, to take a somewhat perilous and costly voyage across an ocean to settle in a strange new world. There had to be major motivating factors for such undertakings. This really came into focus for me when doing my paper on Sir John Pate. Somehow in my mind I had always thought of his life as being remote from the Pate's who came to early colonial Virginia. It just had not registered that they were contemporaries, and the troubles that Sir John was encountering in the turmoils in England were the same that compelled the colonial emigrations. The timeline I prepared really highlights those facts. I am looking forward to the day when our genealogical research makes the leap back across the ocean to connect to those extended families who were left behind in the homelands. Documentation would make the record more complete, with DNA confirming. However, DNA alone can establish family kinships, then perhaps working backwards we can fill in the genealogical gaps. Since my surname is Pate, I have concentrated on that family and not spent a lot of time on other surnames in my lineage. My mother was a Hamilton (mother Faulkner) which I think is Scottish. Ironically, I have a more complete lineage for her Hamilton family and my paternal grandmother Shirey, than I have for the Pate family (brickwall at 1811). A. J. Pate

I saw on another site that there is great information to be found at alabamapioneers.com. I found a gedcom file there for Allen Pate b. 1776 NC d. bef. 1860 Bibb Co., AL.

I just noticed that someone had posted this Department of Defense press release, dated June 10, 2010, on the Rootsweb Pate Forum. Our highest regards to him and his family for his honorable service. May he rest in peace and eternal light shine upon him. A. J. Pate http://www.defense.gov/utility/printitem.aspx?print=http://www.defense.gov/Releases/Release.aspx?ReleaseID=13596 IMMEDIATE RELEASE No. 479-10 June 10, 2010 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Airmen Missing From Vietnam War Identified The Department of Defense POW/Missing Personnel Office announced today that the remains of nine U.S. servicemen, missing in action from the Vietnam War, have been accounted-for and returned to their families for burial with full military honors. Air Force Col. William H. Mason, Camden, Ark.; Lt. Col. Jerry L. Chambers, Muskogee, Okla.; Maj. William T. McPhail, Chattanooga, Tenn.; Maj. Thomas B. Mitchell, Littleton, Colo.; Chief Master Sgt. John Q. Adam, Bethel, Kan.; Chief Master Sgt. Calvin C. Glover, Steubenville, Ohio; Chief Master Sgt. Thomas E. Knebel, Midway, Ark.; Chief Master Sgt. Melvin D. Rash, Yorktown, Va.; and Master Sgt. Gary Pate, Brooks, Ga., were buried as a group today in Arlington National Cemetery. The individually identified remains of each airman were previously returned to their families for burial. On May 22, 1968, these men were aboard a C-130A Hercules on an evening flare mission over northern Salavan Province, Laos. Fifteen minutes after the aircraft made a radio call, the crew of another U.S. aircraft observed a large ground fire near the last known location of Mason's aircraft. Search and rescue attempts were not initiated due to heavy antiaircraft fire in the area. Analysts from DPMO developed case leads with information spanning more than 40 years. Through interviews with eyewitnesses and research in the National Archives, several locations in Laos and South Vietnam were pinpointed as potential crash sites. Between 1989 and 2008, teams from Laos People's Democratic Republic and the Vietnam, led by the Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command, pursued leads, interviewed villagers, and conducted 10 field investigations and four excavations in Quang Tri Province, Vietnam. They recovered aircraft wreckage, human remains, crew-related equipment and personal effects. Scientists from JPAC and the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory also used mitochondrial DNA - which matched that of the crewmembers' families - as well as dental comparisons in the identification of the remains. Since late 1973, the remains of 927 Americans killed in the Vietnam War have been accounted-for and returned to their families. With the accounting of these airmen, 1,719 service members still remain missing from the conflict. For additional information on the Defense Department's mission to account for missing Americans, visit the DPMO Web site at http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo or call 703- 699-1169.

Gee ! This is very interesting. Up until you folks became known to me, I thought all Pates came from England to America and that was it. I'm really enjoying the history lessons also! Just another note, many many years ago, Laurie, I applied for a teaching application to come to Australia to teach. I met/ and fell in love with my future husband( ex-husband now) just as I got my paper work back and never went. I think I missed a great opportunity! Now as I think I've already said, my McDuffie line is Scottish and I've enjoyed learning about Scotland. I would be ecstatic to learn I had Pate relatives that were Scottish ! So if any of you have made connections I'd like to know( I've been reading correspondence, but never 'paid attention' to any connections) . I think my brain runs backwards these days! Pate/McDuffie connections? Johnette Pate McDuffie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Laurie Thompson Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 2:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] Scots and Pates/history lessons Nita . The background history of our early ancestors is family history , full stop . Lists of BMD`s is just date collecting . With my Wilsons of Mullaghbane Co. Monaghan I have entered the results of farmer`s Fairs at the time they lived there to show how they lived . Laurie Thompson Australia descended from Scotland Pates PS I have not deleted John Robinson`s very descriptive Orose because it is worth another read . ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Scots and Pates/history lessons Thanks to both of you for posting such interesting history of the times of our early ancestors. What was written has cleared up many questions we had about the migration to America by some of our other lineages. The post has served a multi-purpose for us. I am interested in the McDaniel connections also. Bill has unresolved McDaniel issues on his maternal line. Would appreciate any information you have to share and will share likewise. [email protected] Thanks. Hope the history of the early times that is being offered is not "off subjec/topic" for the listserve. The more we understand the history, the more we understand many of the whys and wherefores of our forefathers. Nita Fry -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Pate <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 11:31 am Subject: Re: [PATE] Scots and Pates Dear B. Carter, As a writer and teacher of how to write and research historical fiction and memoir I love your stories. My husband is part of the Pate DNA project (E1b1b1a) but even though we've been married and I've used the Pate name for 57 years I am not a Pate. I am a McNeill, directly descended from a group of LDS converts who left Scotland in May, 1856 on the Thornton, a square rigged ship chartered by the church to carry 764 converts to Castle Garden, NY. While I am not LDS I do admire the way they keep track of family records. I truly enjoy your stories of the Pate families. Keep them coming. Marilyn Anne (McNeill) Pate [email protected] www.marilynannepate.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Carter Pate" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Scots and Pates Dear John, Noting your interest in Scottish ancestors of the Pates, I am attaching the material at the bottom of this email. I have written in as a section of a narrative especially for family members. I wonder if you would review this for accuracy. [Most of it is abstracted from various volumes of my Encyclopedia Britannica (1970).] I am writing with my Mecoy/McCoy ancestors in Craven Co., NC in the period (1754-1803). Since this goes to the Pate/Roots.web list, comments or corrections from other members would also be welcome. Robinsons and McDaniels are also among my ancestors. Cordially, B. Carter Pate On Jun 7, 2010, at 3:44 PM, John Robinson wrote: > Wanted to make it clear that I have not researched any specific > Pates back into Scotland. All I've done, which is something I > commonly do, is run the Pate surname on the www.scotclans.com > website's "What's My Clan" search link. I enjoy reading the > information found for this or any other surname. The "Pate short > for Patrick" info comes from the Scottish website. I'm not sure if > this is a historical fact or not. > > What it does allow, if your surname is Pate, you can join the US > MacLaren Clan without proof of descent from anyone, including a > Scot. Most of us would have a hard time proving descent from a > Scot, especially if they emigrated to the US prior to Revolution. > > I apologize in advance if this type post is considered off topic. > To me it leans toward heritage, not biology. > New immirgrants to America in the 1700s: >From the Continent:Around 1700, Europe was brimming with refugees, many of whom sought new lives in America: Huguenots worn out by their struggle for power/toleration in France; Swiss and Savoyards threaened by extremist factions of both Reformers and Cathlolics, Rhinelanders ("Palatines") fleeing the repeated incursions of Spanish and French armies fightng over Dutch and Belgian independence, and Moravians persecuted by Catholic authorities, These now joined the movement of British dissidents and adventurers to America. The rulers of Britain offered land in the American Colonies or in Northern Ireland, regarding these refugees as a bulwark against the Indians or the rebellious Irish. From Sotland and Ireland: Since times when Romans built walls across the island to hold back Scottish intruders, ancient enmities divided the Engish and the Scots. From 1700 to 1750, Britain would send its own stream of disgruntled Scots to America.. As Calvinists and dissenters had gradually gained power in both nations, the comon commercial and defense interests of England and Scotland were recognized by influential figures on both sides. They were already under one monarchy; The time was coming for a full Union with a single Parliament. The Union agreement of 1707, created t his combined Parliament, allowing Scotland to retain its own tradiditions in customs, laws and religion (separate "established" churchs, Presbyterian in Scotland and Anglican in England). But many still owed allegiance to Catholicism and the older rulers. This was true especially among the highland Scots. James II had died in 1701, and the French continued their hostility by proclaiming his young son in exile as King james III. A minor Scottish uprising was put down in 1706, but the French mobilized a major invasion in 1715, provoking a serious rebellion of highlanders. Queen Anne's military successfully put this down and expelled the French. George I faced a second attempt from France in 1745. Now Britain had developed a new policy for dealing with domestic rebels. Many Scottish prisoners taken by English armis were banished to America, to be indentured servants, as were common criminals. The American colonists, however, were kindly disposed toward them. After serving their indentures, which some had converted to apprenticeships, they had all the rights of other colonists and even might buy or be granted land. Some of them became prominent and prospered. But earlier colonies had taken upt he best land near the coast, so they moved westward and southward as settlers and traders (in TN, McDonald and Daniel Ross?). There was also another stream of "Scotch-Irish"--Scots and some of the Palatines formerly settled in Ireland as a bulwark against the Irish, but now unhappy with the cntinual fighting and the rather miserable land tenure situation there Unknowlingly, English rulers had contributed an element to the colonies which would augment the flames of rebellion in 1776. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PATE- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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We've also got some German(ic) in our ancestory.  Many years back when I was stationed and living in Germany, a German friend asked me if I was any relation to the "Pate/Pait" family group in the southern portion of his Germany>  They're part of the MOB!!!!  Blink, blink, nod, nod!  Seems we have more than one skeleton in our closets and we may have been the one to put them there!!!!!   ________________________________ ________________________________ "we's in trouble. We must carry our glorious philosophy through to its glorious culmination! So that in the end, with enterprise and determination, the world and everything in it will belong to one individual Me! And that will be the ultimate! The absolute ultimate!" so sez The Imperial Me ________________________________ From: Johnette McDuffie <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, June 12, 2010 2:38:12 PM Subject: Re: [PATE] Scots and Pates/history lessons Gee !  This is very interesting. Up until you folks became known to me, I thought all Pates came from England to America and that was it.  I'm really enjoying the history lessons also! Just another note, many many years ago, Laurie, I applied for a teaching application to come to Australia to teach.  I met/ and fell in love with my future husband( ex-husband now) just as I got my paper work back and never went.  I think I missed a great opportunity! Now as I think I've already said, my McDuffie line is Scottish and I've enjoyed learning about Scotland.  I would be ecstatic to learn I had Pate relatives that were Scottish ! So if any of you have made connections I'd like to know( I've been reading correspondence, but never 'paid attention' to any connections) .  I think my brain runs backwards these days! Pate/McDuffie connections? Johnette Pate McDuffie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Laurie Thompson Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 2:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] Scots and Pates/history lessons Nita . The background history of our early ancestors is family history , full stop . Lists of BMD`s is just date collecting .  With my Wilsons of Mullaghbane Co. Monaghan I have entered the results of farmer`s Fairs at the time they lived there to show how they lived . Laurie Thompson  Australia descended from Scotland Pates PS I have not deleted John Robinson`s very descriptive Orose because it is worth another read .    ----- Original Message -----   From: [email protected]   To: [email protected]   Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 5:00 AM   Subject: Re: [PATE] Scots and Pates/history lessons   Thanks to both of you for posting such interesting history of the times of our early ancestors.  What was written has cleared up many questions we had about the migration to America by some of our other lineages.  The post has served a multi-purpose for us.   I am interested in the McDaniel connections also.  Bill has unresolved McDaniel issues on his maternal line.  Would appreciate any information you have to share and will share likewise.    [email protected]    Thanks. Hope the history of the early times that is being offered is not "off subjec/topic" for the listserve.  The more we understand the history, the more we understand many of the whys and wherefores of our forefathers.   Nita Fry         -----Original Message-----   From: Marilyn Pate <[email protected]>   To: [email protected]   Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 11:31 am   Subject: Re: [PATE] Scots and Pates   Dear B. Carter, As a writer and teacher of how to write and research   historical fiction and memoir I love your stories. My husband is part of the   Pate DNA project (E1b1b1a) but  even though we've been married and I've used   the Pate name for 57 years I am not a Pate. I am a McNeill, directly   descended from a group of LDS converts who left Scotland in May, 1856 on the   Thornton, a square rigged ship chartered by the church to carry 764 converts   to Castle Garden, NY. While I am not LDS I do admire the way they keep track   of family records.   I truly enjoy your stories of the Pate families. Keep them coming.   Marilyn Anne (McNeill) Pate   [email protected]   www.marilynannepate.com   ----- Original Message -----   From: "B. Carter Pate" <[email protected]>   To: <[email protected]>   Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 6:47 AM   Subject: Re: [PATE] Scots and Pates   Dear John,   Noting your interest in Scottish ancestors of the Pates, I am   attaching the material at the bottom of this email.  I have written   in as a section of a narrative especially for family members.  I   wonder if you would review this for accuracy.  [Most of it is   abstracted from various volumes of my Encyclopedia Britannica (1970).]   I am writing with my Mecoy/McCoy ancestors in Craven  Co., NC in the   period (1754-1803).   Since this goes to the Pate/Roots.web list, comments or corrections   from other members would also be welcome.   Robinsons and McDaniels are also among my ancestors.   Cordially,   B. Carter Pate   On Jun 7, 2010, at 3:44 PM, John Robinson wrote:   > Wanted to make it clear that I have not researched any specific   > Pates back into Scotland. All I've done, which is something I   > commonly do, is run the Pate surname on the www.scotclans.com   > website's "What's My Clan" search link. I enjoy reading the   > information found for this or any other surname. The "Pate short   > for Patrick" info comes from the Scottish website. I'm not sure if   > this is a historical fact or not.   >   > What it does allow, if your surname is Pate, you can join the US   > MacLaren Clan without proof of descent from anyone, including a   > Scot. Most of us would have a hard time proving descent from a   > Scot, especially if they emigrated to the US prior to Revolution.   >   > I apologize in advance if this type post is considered off topic.   > To me it leans toward heritage, not biology.   >   New immirgrants to America in the 1700s:   >From the Continent:Around 1700, Europe was brimming with refugees,   many of whom sought new lives in America:  Huguenots worn out by   their struggle for power/toleration in France;  Swiss  and Savoyards   threaened by extremist factions of both Reformers and Cathlolics,   Rhinelanders ("Palatines") fleeing the repeated incursions of Spanish   and French armies fightng over Dutch and Belgian independence,  and   Moravians persecuted by Catholic authorities,  These now joined the   movement of  British dissidents and adventurers to America.  The   rulers of Britain offered land in the American Colonies or in   Northern Ireland, regarding these refugees as a bulwark against the   Indians or the rebellious Irish.       From Sotland and Ireland:  Since times when Romans built walls   across the island to hold back Scottish intruders,  ancient enmities   divided the Engish and the Scots.  From 1700 to 1750, Britain would   send its own stream of disgruntled Scots to America..  As Calvinists   and dissenters had gradually gained  power in both nations, the comon   commercial and defense interests of England and Scotland were   recognized by influential figures on both sides.  They were already   under one monarchy;  The time was coming for a full Union with a   single Parliament.  The Union agreement of 1707,  created t his   combined Parliament,  allowing Scotland to retain its own   tradiditions in customs, laws and religion (separate "established"   churchs, Presbyterian in Scotland and Anglican in England).   But many still owed allegiance to Catholicism and the older rulers.   This was true especially among the highland Scots.  James II had died   in 1701, and the French continued their hostility by proclaiming his   young son in exile as King james III.  A minor Scottish uprising was   put down in 1706, but the French mobilized a major invasion in 1715,   provoking a serious rebellion of highlanders. Queen Anne's military   successfully put this down and expelled the French.  George I faced a   second attempt from France in 1745.  Now Britain had developed a new   policy for dealing with domestic rebels.  Many Scottish  prisoners   taken by English armis were banished to America, to be indentured   servants, as were common criminals.  The American colonists, however,   were kindly disposed toward them.  After serving their indentures,   which some had converted to apprenticeships, they had all the rights   of other colonists and even might buy or be granted land.  Some of   them became prominent and prospered.  But earlier colonies had taken   upt he best land near the coast, so they moved westward and southward   as settlers and traders (in TN,  McDonald and Daniel Ross?).  There   was also another stream of "Scotch-Irish"--Scots and some of the   Palatines formerly settled in Ireland as a bulwark against the Irish,   but now unhappy with the cntinual fighting and the rather miserable   land tenure situation there   Unknowlingly, English rulers had contributed an element to the   colonies which would  augment the flames of rebellion in 1776.   > -------------------------------   > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PATE-   > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes   > in the subject and the body of the message   -------------------------------   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to   [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in   the subject and the body of the message     -------------------------------   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]   with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of   the message       -------------------------------   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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Nita . The background history of our early ancestors is family history , full stop . Lists of BMD`s is just date collecting . With my Wilsons of Mullaghbane Co. Monaghan I have entered the results of farmer`s Fairs at the time they lived there to show how they lived . Laurie Thompson Australia descended from Scotland Pates PS I have not deleted John Robinson`s very descriptive Orose because it is worth another read . ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Scots and Pates/history lessons Thanks to both of you for posting such interesting history of the times of our early ancestors. What was written has cleared up many questions we had about the migration to America by some of our other lineages. The post has served a multi-purpose for us. I am interested in the McDaniel connections also. Bill has unresolved McDaniel issues on his maternal line. Would appreciate any information you have to share and will share likewise. [email protected] Thanks. Hope the history of the early times that is being offered is not "off subjec/topic" for the listserve. The more we understand the history, the more we understand many of the whys and wherefores of our forefathers. Nita Fry -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Pate <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 11:31 am Subject: Re: [PATE] Scots and Pates Dear B. Carter, As a writer and teacher of how to write and research historical fiction and memoir I love your stories. My husband is part of the Pate DNA project (E1b1b1a) but even though we've been married and I've used the Pate name for 57 years I am not a Pate. I am a McNeill, directly descended from a group of LDS converts who left Scotland in May, 1856 on the Thornton, a square rigged ship chartered by the church to carry 764 converts to Castle Garden, NY. While I am not LDS I do admire the way they keep track of family records. I truly enjoy your stories of the Pate families. Keep them coming. Marilyn Anne (McNeill) Pate [email protected] www.marilynannepate.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Carter Pate" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Scots and Pates Dear John, Noting your interest in Scottish ancestors of the Pates, I am attaching the material at the bottom of this email. I have written in as a section of a narrative especially for family members. I wonder if you would review this for accuracy. [Most of it is abstracted from various volumes of my Encyclopedia Britannica (1970).] I am writing with my Mecoy/McCoy ancestors in Craven Co., NC in the period (1754-1803). Since this goes to the Pate/Roots.web list, comments or corrections from other members would also be welcome. Robinsons and McDaniels are also among my ancestors. Cordially, B. Carter Pate On Jun 7, 2010, at 3:44 PM, John Robinson wrote: > Wanted to make it clear that I have not researched any specific > Pates back into Scotland. All I've done, which is something I > commonly do, is run the Pate surname on the www.scotclans.com > website's "What's My Clan" search link. I enjoy reading the > information found for this or any other surname. The "Pate short > for Patrick" info comes from the Scottish website. I'm not sure if > this is a historical fact or not. > > What it does allow, if your surname is Pate, you can join the US > MacLaren Clan without proof of descent from anyone, including a > Scot. Most of us would have a hard time proving descent from a > Scot, especially if they emigrated to the US prior to Revolution. > > I apologize in advance if this type post is considered off topic. > To me it leans toward heritage, not biology. > New immirgrants to America in the 1700s: >From the Continent:Around 1700, Europe was brimming with refugees, many of whom sought new lives in America: Huguenots worn out by their struggle for power/toleration in France; Swiss and Savoyards threaened by extremist factions of both Reformers and Cathlolics, Rhinelanders (“Palatines”) fleeing the repeated incursions of Spanish and French armies fightng over Dutch and Belgian independence, and Moravians persecuted by Catholic authorities, These now joined the movement of British dissidents and adventurers to America. The rulers of Britain offered land in the American Colonies or in Northern Ireland, regarding these refugees as a bulwark against the Indians or the rebellious Irish. From Sotland and Ireland: Since times when Romans built walls across the island to hold back Scottish intruders, ancient enmities divided the Engish and the Scots. From 1700 to 1750, Britain would send its own stream of disgruntled Scots to America.. As Calvinists and dissenters had gradually gained power in both nations, the comon commercial and defense interests of England and Scotland were recognized by influential figures on both sides. They were already under one monarchy; The time was coming for a full Union with a single Parliament. The Union agreement of 1707, created t his combined Parliament, allowing Scotland to retain its own tradiditions in customs, laws and religion (separate “established” churchs, Presbyterian in Scotland and Anglican in England). But many still owed allegiance to Catholicism and the older rulers. This was true especially among the highland Scots. James II had died in 1701, and the French continued their hostility by proclaiming his young son in exile as King james III. A minor Scottish uprising was put down in 1706, but the French mobilized a major invasion in 1715, provoking a serious rebellion of highlanders. Queen Anne's military successfully put this down and expelled the French. George I faced a second attempt from France in 1745. Now Britain had developed a new policy for dealing with domestic rebels. Many Scottish prisoners taken by English armis were banished to America, to be indentured servants, as were common criminals. The American colonists, however, were kindly disposed toward them. After serving their indentures, which some had converted to apprenticeships, they had all the rights of other colonists and even might buy or be granted land. Some of them became prominent and prospered. But earlier colonies had taken upt he best land near the coast, so they moved westward and southward as settlers and traders (in TN, McDonald and Daniel Ross?). There was also another stream of “Scotch-Irish”--Scots and some of the Palatines formerly settled in Ireland as a bulwark against the Irish, but now unhappy with the cntinual fighting and the rather miserable land tenure situation there Unknowlingly, English rulers had contributed an element to the colonies which would augment the flames of rebellion in 1776. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PATE- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.waynesvillememorialchapel.com/visitations/View.php?id=3134 - photo available Name: SFC (Ret) Donald Pate Date: January 12th, 1939 - May 24th, 2010 Obituary: Donald Pate departed this life at 6:37 a.m., Monday, May 24, 2010, at Cox South Hospital, Springfield, Missouri, at the age of 71 years, 4 months and 12 days. Donald and his identical twin brother, Ronald, were born on January 12, 1939, in East Carondelet, Illinois. The boys were two of thirteen children born to the union of the late Daniel Howard and Zady Ann (Kelly) Pate. On March 21, 1959 in St. Louis, Missouri, Donald was united in marriage with Betty Jane Coleman, and to this union, four children were born: Donald James, Catherine Lynn, Robert Wade and Lawrence James. They were also blessed with ten grandchildren: Michelle, Andrynne, Joshua, Brittany, Robert Jr., Jeanne, Dakota, Sandra, Joseph and Heather. Donald served his country proudly in the U.S. Army for nearly thirty years. He was a veteran of the Korean and Vietnam Wars. For his faithful and honorable service, he was awarded the Good Conduct Medal (5th award), Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal, Driver Badge, National Defense Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal with one silver service star, Vietnam Service Medal with one bronze service star, VC of Gallantry Unit Citation with palm, Expert Qualification Badge M16, Sharpshooter Qualification Badge M14, the Meritorious Service Medal, along with several other awards and commendations. Sergeant First Class Pate retired from active duty service in 1980, at Ft. Leonard Wood, Missouri. Donald and Betty enjoyed their home and neighborhood in the Plato/Roby area. They were members of Roby Baptist Church, and Donald was active in the Plato VFW and American Legion. He was also a member of the DAV Chapter 49, Crocker. Donald enjoyed raising and riding horses, bowling, helping with Special Olympics, and playing on the farm. He especially loved spending time and playing with his grandchildren. Donald will be sadly missed by four children: Donald James Pate, Plato, Catherine Lynn Potts (Larry), Duke, Robert Wade Pate (Cheryl), Cocoa, Florida and Lawrence James Pate (Angela), Cabool; 10 grandchildren; Michelle, Andrynne, Joshua, Brittany, Robert Jr., Jeanne, Dakota, Sandra, Joseph and Heather; one sister: Anna Merrill of the state of Wisconsin, nieces, nephews, other relatives and friends. In addition to his parents, and wife, Donald was preceded in death by eleven siblings and two grandchildren: Daniel James and Crystal Lynn. Funeral services with military honors were held at 2:00 P.M. Tuesday, June 1, 2010 in the Roby Baptist Church with Bro. Brock Davis officiating. Several family members recalled their wonderful memories of Donald. Donald's granddaughter wrote and recorded a song for her grandfather titled "It Hurts Missin' You", which was played at the service. The songs "The Old Rugged Cross", "I'll Fly Away" and "Amazing Grace" were also played. Military honors were provided by the United States Army of Fort Leonard Wood. Graveside services were held at 1:00 P.M. Wednesday, June 2, 2010 in the Lakewood Park Cemetery. Serving as escorts were Robert Pate, Lawrence Pate, Joshua Pate, Robert Pate, Jr., Joseph Pate and Brittany Pate. Serving as honorary escorts were Michelle Potts, Adrynne Pate, Jeanne Pate, Heather Pate, Sandra Pate and Dakota Pate. Services were under the direction of Memorial Chapels and Crematory of Waynesville/St. Robert. Memorial contributions may be made in memory of Donald Pate and may be left at the funeral home. Memorials: In Memory of Donald Pate Services: In-state at 12:00PM, Service at 2:00PM at Roby Baptist Church on Tuesday, June 1st, 2010 (map/driving directions) Cemetery: Lakewood Park Cemetery 7330 Makenzie Rd. Affton, MO 63123 (map/driving directions)

http://microplexnews.com/2010/05/29/elwanda-pate-of-ranger/ - photo available El-Wanda Pate of Ranger Ranger - El-Wanda Pate, 69, of Ranger passed away May 28, 2010 in Abilene, TX. Services will be held Monday, May 31, 2010 at 2:00 p.m. at Merriman Baptist Church. Burial to follow at Bullock Cemetery. Visitation will be held Sunday, May 30, 2010 from 2:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. at Edwards Funeral Home. Wanda was born January 18, 1941 in Rotan, TX to R.P. and Vivian (Jenkins) Taylor. She married Leland Pate on February 6, 1959. Wanda was a loving and caring person who loved to spend time with her friends and family. She loved to knit and crochet and was a prayer warrior. She will be missed by all that knew her. Pallbearers will be Tony Marsh, Odie Taylor, Rusty Kirk, J.D. Wilson, Wesley Marsh and Chance Wilson. Honorary pallbearers will be Randy Taylor, Stacy Kirk and Lucas Pate. She is preceded in death by her parents and daughter, Leann Wilson. She is survived by her husband, Leland Pate, son, Raymond Pate and wife Bobbie of Abilene and son-in-law, Jimmy Don Wilson; brother Odell Taylor and wife Nancy of Brownwood; sisters, Leta Marsh and husband L.H. of Abilene and Tempie Kirk of Wylie; grandchildren, Misty Conklin and Tiffany Conklin of Odessa, J.D. Wilson and wife Libby of Olden, Kristin Lee and husband Kevin Jr. of Ranger, Lucas Pate and wife Amanda of Bryan,TX, Chance Wilson of Ranger and Dnae Pate of Bryan, TX; 10 great grandchildren, numerous nieces and nephews and nephew, Jan Pate of Ranger.

Thanks to both of you for posting such interesting history of the times of our early ancestors. What was written has cleared up many questions we had about the migration to America by some of our other lineages. The post has served a multi-purpose for us. I am interested in the McDaniel connections also. Bill has unresolved McDaniel issues on his maternal line. Would appreciate any information you have to share and will share likewise. [email protected] Thanks. Hope the history of the early times that is being offered is not "off subjec/topic" for the listserve. The more we understand the history, the more we understand many of the whys and wherefores of our forefathers. Nita Fry -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Pate <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, Jun 11, 2010 11:31 am Subject: Re: [PATE] Scots and Pates Dear B. Carter, As a writer and teacher of how to write and research historical fiction and memoir I love your stories. My husband is part of the Pate DNA project (E1b1b1a) but even though we've been married and I've used the Pate name for 57 years I am not a Pate. I am a McNeill, directly descended from a group of LDS converts who left Scotland in May, 1856 on the Thornton, a square rigged ship chartered by the church to carry 764 converts to Castle Garden, NY. While I am not LDS I do admire the way they keep track of family records. I truly enjoy your stories of the Pate families. Keep them coming. Marilyn Anne (McNeill) Pate [email protected] www.marilynannepate.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Carter Pate" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Scots and Pates Dear John, Noting your interest in Scottish ancestors of the Pates, I am attaching the material at the bottom of this email. I have written in as a section of a narrative especially for family members. I wonder if you would review this for accuracy. [Most of it is abstracted from various volumes of my Encyclopedia Britannica (1970).] I am writing with my Mecoy/McCoy ancestors in Craven Co., NC in the period (1754-1803). Since this goes to the Pate/Roots.web list, comments or corrections from other members would also be welcome. Robinsons and McDaniels are also among my ancestors. Cordially, B. Carter Pate On Jun 7, 2010, at 3:44 PM, John Robinson wrote: > Wanted to make it clear that I have not researched any specific > Pates back into Scotland. All I've done, which is something I > commonly do, is run the Pate surname on the www.scotclans.com > website's "What's My Clan" search link. I enjoy reading the > information found for this or any other surname. The "Pate short > for Patrick" info comes from the Scottish website. I'm not sure if > this is a historical fact or not. > > What it does allow, if your surname is Pate, you can join the US > MacLaren Clan without proof of descent from anyone, including a > Scot. Most of us would have a hard time proving descent from a > Scot, especially if they emigrated to the US prior to Revolution. > > I apologize in advance if this type post is considered off topic. > To me it leans toward heritage, not biology. > New immirgrants to America in the 1700s: >From the Continent:Around 1700, Europe was brimming with refugees, many of whom sought new lives in America: Huguenots worn out by their struggle for power/toleration in France; Swiss and Savoyards threaened by extremist factions of both Reformers and Cathlolics, Rhinelanders (“Palatines”) fleeing the repeated incursions of Spanish and French armies fightng over Dutch and Belgian independence, and Moravians persecuted by Catholic authorities, These now joined the movement of British dissidents and adventurers to America. The rulers of Britain offered land in the American Colonies or in Northern Ireland, regarding these refugees as a bulwark against the Indians or the rebellious Irish. From Sotland and Ireland: Since times when Romans built walls across the island to hold back Scottish intruders, ancient enmities divided the Engish and the Scots. From 1700 to 1750, Britain would send its own stream of disgruntled Scots to America.. As Calvinists and dissenters had gradually gained power in both nations, the comon commercial and defense interests of England and Scotland were recognized by influential figures on both sides. They were already under one monarchy; The time was coming for a full Union with a single Parliament. The Union agreement of 1707, created t his combined Parliament, allowing Scotland to retain its own tradiditions in customs, laws and religion (separate “established” churchs, Presbyterian in Scotland and Anglican in England). But many still owed allegiance to Catholicism and the older rulers. This was true especially among the highland Scots. James II had died in 1701, and the French continued their hostility by proclaiming his young son in exile as King james III. A minor Scottish uprising was put down in 1706, but the French mobilized a major invasion in 1715, provoking a serious rebellion of highlanders. Queen Anne's military successfully put this down and expelled the French. George I faced a second attempt from France in 1745. Now Britain had developed a new policy for dealing with domestic rebels. Many Scottish prisoners taken by English armis were banished to America, to be indentured servants, as were common criminals. The American colonists, however, were kindly disposed toward them. After serving their indentures, which some had converted to apprenticeships, they had all the rights of other colonists and even might buy or be granted land. Some of them became prominent and prospered. But earlier colonies had taken upt he best land near the coast, so they moved westward and southward as settlers and traders (in TN, McDonald and Daniel Ross?). There was also another stream of “Scotch-Irish”--Scots and some of the Palatines formerly settled in Ireland as a bulwark against the Irish, but now unhappy with the cntinual fighting and the rather miserable land tenure situation there Unknowlingly, English rulers had contributed an element to the colonies which would augment the flames of rebellion in 1776. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PATE- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear John, Noting your interest in Scottish ancestors of the Pates, I am attaching the material at the bottom of this email. I have written in as a section of a narrative especially for family members. I wonder if you would review this for accuracy. [Most of it is abstracted from various volumes of my Encyclopedia Britannica (1970).] I am writing with my Mecoy/McCoy ancestors in Craven Co., NC in the period (1754-1803). Since this goes to the Pate/Roots.web list, comments or corrections from other members would also be welcome. Robinsons and McDaniels are also among my ancestors. Cordially, B. Carter Pate On Jun 7, 2010, at 3:44 PM, John Robinson wrote: > Wanted to make it clear that I have not researched any specific > Pates back into Scotland. All I've done, which is something I > commonly do, is run the Pate surname on the www.scotclans.com > website's "What's My Clan" search link. I enjoy reading the > information found for this or any other surname. The "Pate short > for Patrick" info comes from the Scottish website. I'm not sure if > this is a historical fact or not. > > What it does allow, if your surname is Pate, you can join the US > MacLaren Clan without proof of descent from anyone, including a > Scot. Most of us would have a hard time proving descent from a > Scot, especially if they emigrated to the US prior to Revolution. > > I apologize in advance if this type post is considered off topic. > To me it leans toward heritage, not biology. > New immirgrants to America in the 1700s: From the Continent:Around 1700, Europe was brimming with refugees, many of whom sought new lives in America: Huguenots worn out by their struggle for power/toleration in France; Swiss and Savoyards threaened by extremist factions of both Reformers and Cathlolics, Rhinelanders (“Palatines”) fleeing the repeated incursions of Spanish and French armies fightng over Dutch and Belgian independence, and Moravians persecuted by Catholic authorities, These now joined the movement of British dissidents and adventurers to America. The rulers of Britain offered land in the American Colonies or in Northern Ireland, regarding these refugees as a bulwark against the Indians or the rebellious Irish. From Sotland and Ireland: Since times when Romans built walls across the island to hold back Scottish intruders, ancient enmities divided the Engish and the Scots. From 1700 to 1750, Britain would send its own stream of disgruntled Scots to America.. As Calvinists and dissenters had gradually gained power in both nations, the comon commercial and defense interests of England and Scotland were recognized by influential figures on both sides. They were already under one monarchy; The time was coming for a full Union with a single Parliament. The Union agreement of 1707, created t his combined Parliament, allowing Scotland to retain its own tradiditions in customs, laws and religion (separate “established” churchs, Presbyterian in Scotland and Anglican in England). But many still owed allegiance to Catholicism and the older rulers. This was true especially among the highland Scots. James II had died in 1701, and the French continued their hostility by proclaiming his young son in exile as King james III. A minor Scottish uprising was put down in 1706, but the French mobilized a major invasion in 1715, provoking a serious rebellion of highlanders. Queen Anne's military successfully put this down and expelled the French. George I faced a second attempt from France in 1745. Now Britain had developed a new policy for dealing with domestic rebels. Many Scottish prisoners taken by English armis were banished to America, to be indentured servants, as were common criminals. The American colonists, however, were kindly disposed toward them. After serving their indentures, which some had converted to apprenticeships, they had all the rights of other colonists and even might buy or be granted land. Some of them became prominent and prospered. But earlier colonies had taken upt he best land near the coast, so they moved westward and southward as settlers and traders (in TN, McDonald and Daniel Ross?). There was also another stream of “Scotch-Irish”--Scots and some of the Palatines formerly settled in Ireland as a bulwark against the Irish, but now unhappy with the cntinual fighting and the rather miserable land tenure situation there Unknowlingly, English rulers had contributed an element to the colonies which would augment the flames of rebellion in 1776. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PATE- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Dear B. Carter, As a writer and teacher of how to write and research historical fiction and memoir I love your stories. My husband is part of the Pate DNA project (E1b1b1a) but even though we've been married and I've used the Pate name for 57 years I am not a Pate. I am a McNeill, directly descended from a group of LDS converts who left Scotland in May, 1856 on the Thornton, a square rigged ship chartered by the church to carry 764 converts to Castle Garden, NY. While I am not LDS I do admire the way they keep track of family records. I truly enjoy your stories of the Pate families. Keep them coming. Marilyn Anne (McNeill) Pate [email protected] www.marilynannepate.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Carter Pate" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 6:47 AM Subject: Re: [PATE] Scots and Pates Dear John, Noting your interest in Scottish ancestors of the Pates, I am attaching the material at the bottom of this email. I have written in as a section of a narrative especially for family members. I wonder if you would review this for accuracy. [Most of it is abstracted from various volumes of my Encyclopedia Britannica (1970).] I am writing with my Mecoy/McCoy ancestors in Craven Co., NC in the period (1754-1803). Since this goes to the Pate/Roots.web list, comments or corrections from other members would also be welcome. Robinsons and McDaniels are also among my ancestors. Cordially, B. Carter Pate On Jun 7, 2010, at 3:44 PM, John Robinson wrote: > Wanted to make it clear that I have not researched any specific > Pates back into Scotland. All I've done, which is something I > commonly do, is run the Pate surname on the www.scotclans.com > website's "What's My Clan" search link. I enjoy reading the > information found for this or any other surname. The "Pate short > for Patrick" info comes from the Scottish website. I'm not sure if > this is a historical fact or not. > > What it does allow, if your surname is Pate, you can join the US > MacLaren Clan without proof of descent from anyone, including a > Scot. Most of us would have a hard time proving descent from a > Scot, especially if they emigrated to the US prior to Revolution. > > I apologize in advance if this type post is considered off topic. > To me it leans toward heritage, not biology. > New immirgrants to America in the 1700s: >From the Continent:Around 1700, Europe was brimming with refugees, many of whom sought new lives in America: Huguenots worn out by their struggle for power/toleration in France; Swiss and Savoyards threaened by extremist factions of both Reformers and Cathlolics, Rhinelanders (“Palatines”) fleeing the repeated incursions of Spanish and French armies fightng over Dutch and Belgian independence, and Moravians persecuted by Catholic authorities, These now joined the movement of British dissidents and adventurers to America. The rulers of Britain offered land in the American Colonies or in Northern Ireland, regarding these refugees as a bulwark against the Indians or the rebellious Irish. From Sotland and Ireland: Since times when Romans built walls across the island to hold back Scottish intruders, ancient enmities divided the Engish and the Scots. From 1700 to 1750, Britain would send its own stream of disgruntled Scots to America.. As Calvinists and dissenters had gradually gained power in both nations, the comon commercial and defense interests of England and Scotland were recognized by influential figures on both sides. They were already under one monarchy; The time was coming for a full Union with a single Parliament. The Union agreement of 1707, created t his combined Parliament, allowing Scotland to retain its own tradiditions in customs, laws and religion (separate “established” churchs, Presbyterian in Scotland and Anglican in England). But many still owed allegiance to Catholicism and the older rulers. This was true especially among the highland Scots. James II had died in 1701, and the French continued their hostility by proclaiming his young son in exile as King james III. A minor Scottish uprising was put down in 1706, but the French mobilized a major invasion in 1715, provoking a serious rebellion of highlanders. Queen Anne's military successfully put this down and expelled the French. George I faced a second attempt from France in 1745. Now Britain had developed a new policy for dealing with domestic rebels. Many Scottish prisoners taken by English armis were banished to America, to be indentured servants, as were common criminals. The American colonists, however, were kindly disposed toward them. After serving their indentures, which some had converted to apprenticeships, they had all the rights of other colonists and even might buy or be granted land. Some of them became prominent and prospered. But earlier colonies had taken upt he best land near the coast, so they moved westward and southward as settlers and traders (in TN, McDonald and Daniel Ross?). There was also another stream of “Scotch-Irish”--Scots and some of the Palatines formerly settled in Ireland as a bulwark against the Irish, but now unhappy with the cntinual fighting and the rather miserable land tenure situation there Unknowlingly, English rulers had contributed an element to the colonies which would augment the flames of rebellion in 1776. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PATE- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry - I clicked Send too quickly - here is a link to a photo: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/sanantonio/obituary.aspx?n=katherine-pate&pid=143345488 ----- Original Message ----- From: "ThorPateLine" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 11:30 PM Subject: [PATE] OBIT ~ Katherine L Pate - TX Katherine Pate Katherine L (Romer-Moore) Pate died in San Antonio on Friday the 4th of June, 2010 at age 74. Daughter of George and Addie (Irons) Romer, she was born in Woodlynn, NJ on August 31, 1935. She is survived by her husband John Pate, three children Bill Moore of Arlington, TX, Charlie Moore of Dallas, TX and Ruth Walker of Wrentham, MA. , step daughter Cheryl Zack of Bethlehem, GA., brother, George Romer of New Jersey and numerous grandchildren. She is preceded in death by her parents, one sister Irene Yarmark and one step daughter Robbie Ward. Katherine was a strong believer of Jesus Christ and a long time member of the Alamo Heights United Methodist Church. A memorial service will be held on Tuesday June 8th, 2010 at the Alamo Heights United Methodist Church in the Garden Chapel at 11:00am. Rev. Donna Strieb officiating. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message