I have been fortunate enough to find three deeds that place Jinks' M12 Anthony Pate (abt. 1804) in Meredosia, Morgan Co., IL, from Feb. 1865-Oct. of 1875. The deeds clearly name Anthony's wife as EVALINE (also spelled EVELINE)-no maiden name given. One deed conveys a very small parcel of the town lot in Meredosia that Anthony and Eveline purchased from Daniel Waldo in Feb 1865 to Martin Cherwine/Cherwini (difficult to read last name) in Feb 1871 for the sum of $20. (Amanda Pate md. Martin Charwine in Morgan Co. in 1870.) The most interesting deed is the last, made on 14 Oct 1875, between "Anthony Pate and Eveline Pate his wife of the County of Morgan and State of Illinois parties of the first-part and Thomas Hodges of the County of Morgan and the State of Illinois of the second part". It looks like all of the town lot that Anthony/Eveline bought in Feb 1865 from Waldo was sold to Hodges, who also was deeded the 1871 section above by Martin CHERWINI. Witnesses to this are Wm. Kirk, J. H. Cummins, and EMMA HOWARD. (Emma Pate md. Alexander G. Howard in Morgan Co., IL in 1872). Directly below where Anthony and Eveline made their marks, a paragraph follows indicating that Eveline Pate appeared personally to the Justice of the Peace to waive her dower rights for this land on 8 Nov 1875. And directly below that paragraph, another headed "State of Texas/Grayson County" indicates that Anthony Pate appeared before Justice of the Peace, Wm D. KIRK (Is this the same one as above?) in the town of Denison, Grayson Co., TX, to acknowledge that he "executed the foregoing instrument" on 3 Nov 1875. I've done a quick search for Anthony in Grayson Co TX using census records and found nothing. I've also looked at PATE-L and found that Ellen's William B. Pate was in Grayson Co TX around 1874-another link between Jinks' M44 & M12 lines. Would love to hear your comments... Thanks, April

Hey April, Just a note to let you know my Pates were from Grayson County too. My most distant documented ancestor was Newel Walton Pate, his son Gilbert, his son John Wiley Pate was my g-grandfather. John, some of his brothers and a sister also resided in Grayson County. Grace Wisdom -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of April Johnson Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 7:49 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [PATE] Jinks' M12 Anthony Pate (abt. 1804 TN) found in Grayson Co. Texas in 1875 I have been fortunate enough to find three deeds that place Jinks' M12 Anthony Pate (abt. 1804) in Meredosia, Morgan Co., IL, from Feb. 1865-Oct. of 1875. The deeds clearly name Anthony's wife as EVALINE (also spelled EVELINE)-no maiden name given. One deed conveys a very small parcel of the town lot in Meredosia that Anthony and Eveline purchased from Daniel Waldo in Feb 1865 to Martin Cherwine/Cherwini (difficult to read last name) in Feb 1871 for the sum of $20. (Amanda Pate md. Martin Charwine in Morgan Co. in 1870.) The most interesting deed is the last, made on 14 Oct 1875, between "Anthony Pate and Eveline Pate his wife of the County of Morgan and State of Illinois parties of the first-part and Thomas Hodges of the County of Morgan and the State of Illinois of the second part". It looks like all of the town lot that Anthony/Eveline bought in Feb 1865 from Waldo was sold to Hodges, who also was deeded the 1871 section above by Martin CHERWINI. Witnesses to this are Wm. Kirk, J. H. Cummins, and EMMA HOWARD. (Emma Pate md. Alexander G. Howard in Morgan Co., IL in 1872). Directly below where Anthony and Eveline made their marks, a paragraph follows indicating that Eveline Pate appeared personally to the Justice of the Peace to waive her dower rights for this land on 8 Nov 1875. And directly below that paragraph, another headed "State of Texas/Grayson County" indicates that Anthony Pate appeared before Justice of the Peace, Wm D. KIRK (Is this the same one as above?) in the town of Denison, Grayson Co., TX, to acknowledge that he "executed the foregoing instrument" on 3 Nov 1875. I've done a quick search for Anthony in Grayson Co TX using census records and found nothing. I've also looked at PATE-L and found that Ellen's William B. Pate was in Grayson Co TX around 1874-another link between Jinks' M44 & M12 lines. Would love to hear your comments... Thanks, April ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Meridith Sheridan, a Pate List Serve subscriber of long standing, has been attempting to share some research notes on Pate and allied families in Giles Co., TN The List Serve is kind of difficult to use with attachment, picturesor fowarded e-mail Subject: Fwd: Giles CO, TN From: <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:21:45 +0000 To: [email protected] Fwd: Giles CO, TN Subject: Giles CO, TN From: <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 11:28:36 -0400 To: [email protected] Dear Joel, I hope you are feeling well and rested since you dreadful summer and lovely Alaskan trip. Several things hace come to mind in that now I am in Italy for the while, Dick is back at work and I have time on my hands. Did you get Margaret Pate's Disc??? (I think I sent it just before I had the 2nd leg and knee redo. The knee works but is not perfect. They believe nerves were disturbed among other problems. However.) I am beginning to think that when I appear in the states again, I should have it recopied without the library logo. They had no right to do that and while I appreciated the copying, it is not correct. As to Giles CO, they seem to have some new records up (or new to me). This appears to be an 1880s book on Giles Co Tn (or records or recollections) by McCallum. Chapter 4 p.34 He says Section 10 (9)Buford Station: 1808 John Pate and Ostin Carter settled on lands now owned by AA Dickerson. They riased corn. ...Robert Guthrie and Col L. Cleveland of Kings Mt memory. (Larkin Cleveland bn 1748-July 9 1814 of Franklin Co, Ga)... Brick Church neighborhood Section 11, 37. (I believe that this is the same neighborhood where a "Widow Clark and her sons live" ((Nancy Clark widow of Jesse Clark Sr., mother of Henderson and Jesse Clark of Dyer Co, TN is known to have made it to Dyer from Washingion Co TN)....Cornersville, "OLd William Henderson and brother JOhn H. Archibald Crockett (Davy Crockett hunted with one of the Clarks according to family lore.)" P. 39 "Old man Patite first settled Locust Hill" "where old Silas Flournoy settled" Then a mention of Indian Creek Primative Baptist Church. Macallum Sect 17, p45 Shoal and Sugar Creeks lst settlers Riggs and Morgan. Kallit Nail and Wm Noblett very early and all on Indian land. (Joel, you may remember my long exchange with Jinks on the Nail will in western TN, the county below Dyer I think. In it Nail left land in Dyer county to the 4 Pate boys, (Andrew Jackson Pate, his 1/2 brother Cainey (E. Cain Pate, and I think I remember the other two as Mathew and Stephen, but have to check. All of the brothers (and I think they were brothers)sold the land to AJ Pate. Jinks worked with the theory that perhaps Jane Millican Pate who married her brother in law Mathew Pate had gone on to marry Mr. Nail. I do not believe this and think the story goes back to either her Jane's youth (was she a Nail before she became a Millican , then a Pate (Stephen and then Mathew Pate-the brothers.) I am convinced the boys were all brothers and of course do not know where my Elizabeth Pate Clark fits.)) Nail lived at the foot of Na ils Hill (now Minor Hill). Trial leading from Nail's hill towards Huntsville. Deeds:Giles Co Land Entry Abstracts Entry 50 Blackmore Pate and John Pate CC 6 Sep 1824 Robertson Fork of Richland Creek 39) 27 July 1843 Hannah English entry 57 70 a ...AdjJohn Pate, McCasland Dugger, C. Walker and J. Keltrick 253) 23 Jan 1830 Entry 309 for John Clark, 271/4 a on waters of Bradshaws Creek adj corner where Clark now lives 23 Oct 1844, 158)Chain Bearers Mathew and John Pate 167) for A. Keith Srm entry 219, 200a in Rng 1, sect 2 adj JOhn Pate, Hannah English Gigsby sur 15 June 1842 212)for A Keith, entry 58 rng 1 sect 1& 2 adj JOhn Pate 10 Aug 1842 381) for Jess W Adkinson 74 1/2 a in Rang 2, sect 4 waters Weakly Creek adj Samuel Davis, Z Hudson, James MIller. Wycock and Clark Survey 1 July Giles Co 1836 Tax List District: 1 Miller, Henry Acres 378/slave 0 /whites 1 2 Pate, Jesse A 3 Pate, JOhn Jr 160 1 4 Pate, JOhn Sr. 160 6 5 Pate Mathew 1 1812 Tax List K> P Giles Co TN 1 Naile, William 2 Lots of Phillips and 3) John Pate The note from Giles says that John Pate was just above Buford Station and that"the widow Clark and 2 or 3 of her sons had settled on the Marsh/Wood Farms in the Brick Church and Robert Gordon Neighborhood Note that in the Evans/Angus Cemetery of Waco, Giles Co TN that Susannah, wife of Mathew Pate is buried 22 Dec 1789-27 July 1847 McCallum Sect 17, p45 lst church Cumberland Presbyterian 1818. The Giles Co Cemeteris note that in Brick Church cemetery that Joseph Clark 23 Jan 1775, died 31 May 1862 and Mary Clark 13 Jan 1789 died 24 May 1862, In the OLD City cemetery Sarah E Clark died 3 Aug 1853 and William Clark died 3 Aug 1832. Somewhere all my facts will come together. Keep well Meredith -- PATE DNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pate-dna-project Sharing Our Past, Our Present and Our Future PATE LIST SERVE [email protected] A free E-Mail Forum for PATE Researchers

Dear Brenda and April, Once again the notes are gone. I will do it again tomorrow, but go to the Giles Co genweb site and look at the land deeds. NO wills just Blackmore Pate early 1824, John Jr and Sr Pate. Chain Bearers Mathew and John Pate and mentions local. 1836 Henry Miller, Jesse a Pate, John jr and John sr Pate and Mathew Pate on Tax list. Wm Naile mentioned, Widow Clark and 2 or 3 sons in Brick Church neighborhood. Susannah wife of Mathew Pate in Evan Angu Cemetery 22 Dec 1789-1847. "A' Mathew Pate died in Giles 1870 76 years so bn @ 1794 Meredith ---- April Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > Brenda and Joel, > > Meredith was unable to send me her notes as an attachment. She was going to try to retype them and send them to us. > > April > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Brenda and Joel, Meredith was unable to send me her notes as an attachment. She was going to try to retype them and send them to us. April

Thanks, Joel! Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Pate" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [PATE] April, did you receive my note ? > Brenda: > The note was posted by Meridith Sheridan, who uses her husband's > (Richard or Dick) e-mail address - [email protected] > She has been a subscriber to the Pate List Serve for a number of years. > Please share your exchange with the List. > Joel > > On 10/15/2010 9:09 PM, Brenda Green wrote: >> Whoever sent this note! Could you give that info on the Pates and allied >> families from Tn to Al. to me. I am a descendant of Emanuel& trying to >> connect him to whoever his father was (supposedly Jeremiah) >> >> Brenda Green >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From:<[email protected]> >> To:<[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:40 AM >> Subject: [PATE] April, did you receive my note ? >> >> >>> April, Did you get my note yesterday with the data on Pates and allied >>> families in early Giles Co Tn on the road to Huntsville,Al. I had first >>> sent it to Joel, but my address for him the tally one must be old. >>> Hopefully you can put that on the [email protected] so others interested in >>> the various Pates, I believe of Jeremiah are on the Tn Miss Al border >>> (the >>> old Mississippi territory). Let me know if you did not get it and I >>> will >>> send it again. Thanks, Meredith >>> ---- April Johnson<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > -- > PATE DNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pate-dna-project > Sharing Our Past, Our Present and Our Future PATE LIST SERVE > [email protected] A free E-Mail Forum for PATE Researchers > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Brenda: The note was posted by Meridith Sheridan, who uses her husband's (Richard or Dick) e-mail address - [email protected] She has been a subscriber to the Pate List Serve for a number of years. Please share your exchange with the List. Joel On 10/15/2010 9:09 PM, Brenda Green wrote: > Whoever sent this note! Could you give that info on the Pates and allied > families from Tn to Al. to me. I am a descendant of Emanuel& trying to > connect him to whoever his father was (supposedly Jeremiah) > > Brenda Green > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:<[email protected]> > To:<[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:40 AM > Subject: [PATE] April, did you receive my note ? > > >> April, Did you get my note yesterday with the data on Pates and allied >> families in early Giles Co Tn on the road to Huntsville,Al. I had first >> sent it to Joel, but my address for him the tally one must be old. >> Hopefully you can put that on the [email protected] so others interested in >> the various Pates, I believe of Jeremiah are on the Tn Miss Al border (the >> old Mississippi territory). Let me know if you did not get it and I will >> send it again. Thanks, Meredith >> ---- April Johnson<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- PATE DNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pate-dna-project Sharing Our Past, Our Present and Our Future PATE LIST SERVE [email protected] A free E-Mail Forum for PATE Researchers

Whoever sent this note! Could you give that info on the Pates and allied families from Tn to Al. to me. I am a descendant of Emanuel & trying to connect him to whoever his father was (supposedly Jeremiah) Brenda Green ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:40 AM Subject: [PATE] April, did you receive my note ? > April, Did you get my note yesterday with the data on Pates and allied > families in early Giles Co Tn on the road to Huntsville,Al. I had first > sent it to Joel, but my address for him the tally one must be old. > Hopefully you can put that on the [email protected] so others interested in > the various Pates, I believe of Jeremiah are on the Tn Miss Al border (the > old Mississippi territory). Let me know if you did not get it and I will > send it again. Thanks, Meredith > ---- April Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

April, Did you get my note yesterday with the data on Pates and allied families in early Giles Co Tn on the road to Huntsville,Al. I had first sent it to Joel, but my address for him the tally one must be old. Hopefully you can put that on the [email protected] so others interested in the various Pates, I believe of Jeremiah are on the Tn Miss Al border (the old Mississippi territory). Let me know if you did not get it and I will send it again. Thanks, Meredith ---- April Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:

I am interested in reading the two books on genealogy this woman wrote.  Do they contain info on the Pate line though? Donna ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 2:00:48 AM Subject: PATE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 214 Today's Topics:   1. Obit ~Loretta M (Eads) Scott 1925-2010 (Joel Pate) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 17:02:48 -0400 From: Joel Pate <[email protected]> Subject: [PATE] Obit ~Loretta M (Eads) Scott 1925-2010 To: "[email protected] com" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Loretta M. Scott (nee Eads) of Ellisville, Missouri (formerly of Sullivan, Missouri), passed away in St. Louis, Missouri on Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at the age of 84 years. Loretta was born on October 21, 1925 in Cuba, Missouri to the late Arthur and Ruth (Pate) Eads. On December 30, 1960 she was united in marriage to John Henry Scott of Sullivan, who preceded her in death. She was also preceded in death by siblings: Robert, Eleanor, Arthur, John, and James (Eads), as well as her late daughter Tracy Gawer and her husband the late Ronald Gawer, both of Sullivan. Loretta was honored in the World War II Memorial for having served in the Neidringhaus Defense Plant during the war. She authored two books on family genealogy. Loretta loved cooking for others, music, cats, flowers, dressing fabulously, and spoiling her grandchildren. She is survived by her son Michael P. Scott and his wife Angie of Sullivan, Missouri; two daughters, Hallie Scott Kline of Maplewood, Missouri, and Sally Scott Blackburn and her husband Bill of Valley Park, Missouri; grandchildren Julie Darrah, Jeniffer Rubenstein, Scott Gawer, Johnny Scott, Nicholas McClain Scott, Courtney Kline, Margaret Blackburn, Eric Blackburn, and D.J. Chilton; great-grandchildren Dillon Schmidt, Samuel Rubenstein, Madison Darrah, Adam Darrah, and Kaitlyn Blackburn; other relatives and friends. Funeral Service were held at 3 PM from the Eaton Funeral Home in Sullivan. Interment followed in the Odd Fellows Memorial Cemetery in Sullivan. Loretta?s memorial website is available at www.eatonfuneralhome.com where condolences may be sent to the family. Photo at: http://www.eatonfuneralhome.com/ObituaryView.aspx?xid=52665&oid=512 In 2004 Loretta privately published, in limited edition, a 154 page family history entitled "A Pate Genealogy". Loretta did an outstanding job chronicling and documenting her Pate family from Virginia, to Indiana and Missouri. Her line:- Anthony Pate Anthony Pate Jeremiah Pate, Sr Jeremiah Pate, Jr Charles Lynch Pate Robert Hamilton Pate Hamilton Bird Pate Bruner Daniel Pate Ruth Pate Eads Loretta Eads Scott This family is Jinks' A2AnthonyPate1702 file. There four (4) members of this family line participating in the Pate DNA Project Joel -- PATE DNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pate-dna-project Sharing Our Past, Our Present and Our Future PATE LIST SERVE [email protected] A free E-Mail Forum for PATE Researchers ------------------------------ To contact the PATE list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the PATE mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of PATE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 214 ************************************

>From Hubert Welsey Lacey's, "The Goodner family : a genealogical history : with a brief history of the family of Jacob Daniel Scherrer and notes on other allied families, Dayton, Ohio: unknown, 1960", p. 230: "Elizabeth GOODNER McCRACKEN PATE divorced Joseph and took back the name McCRACKEN..Joseph Pate remarried and was later killed in a logging camp accident." Any comments, Ellen? Thanks, April

Covering all bases. I have a new address and want to continue with the e-mail from the service. [email protected] Thanks. Claudia Bright

Loretta M. Scott (nee Eads) of Ellisville, Missouri (formerly of Sullivan, Missouri), passed away in St. Louis, Missouri on Tuesday, September 14, 2010 at the age of 84 years. Loretta was born on October 21, 1925 in Cuba, Missouri to the late Arthur and Ruth (Pate) Eads. On December 30, 1960 she was united in marriage to John Henry Scott of Sullivan, who preceded her in death. She was also preceded in death by siblings: Robert, Eleanor, Arthur, John, and James (Eads), as well as her late daughter Tracy Gawer and her husband the late Ronald Gawer, both of Sullivan. Loretta was honored in the World War II Memorial for having served in the Neidringhaus Defense Plant during the war. She authored two books on family genealogy. Loretta loved cooking for others, music, cats, flowers, dressing fabulously, and spoiling her grandchildren. She is survived by her son Michael P. Scott and his wife Angie of Sullivan, Missouri; two daughters, Hallie Scott Kline of Maplewood, Missouri, and Sally Scott Blackburn and her husband Bill of Valley Park, Missouri; grandchildren Julie Darrah, Jeniffer Rubenstein, Scott Gawer, Johnny Scott, Nicholas McClain Scott, Courtney Kline, Margaret Blackburn, Eric Blackburn, and D.J. Chilton; great-grandchildren Dillon Schmidt, Samuel Rubenstein, Madison Darrah, Adam Darrah, and Kaitlyn Blackburn; other relatives and friends. Funeral Service were held at 3 PM from the Eaton Funeral Home in Sullivan. Interment followed in the Odd Fellows Memorial Cemetery in Sullivan. Loretta’s memorial website is available at www.eatonfuneralhome.com where condolences may be sent to the family. Photo at: http://www.eatonfuneralhome.com/ObituaryView.aspx?xid=52665&oid=512 In 2004 Loretta privately published, in limited edition, a 154 page family history entitled "A Pate Genealogy". Loretta did an outstanding job chronicling and documenting her Pate family from Virginia, to Indiana and Missouri. Her line:- Anthony Pate Anthony Pate Jeremiah Pate, Sr Jeremiah Pate, Jr Charles Lynch Pate Robert Hamilton Pate Hamilton Bird Pate Bruner Daniel Pate Ruth Pate Eads Loretta Eads Scott This family is Jinks' A2AnthonyPate1702 file. There four (4) members of this family line participating in the Pate DNA Project Joel -- PATE DNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pate-dna-project Sharing Our Past, Our Present and Our Future PATE LIST SERVE [email protected] A free E-Mail Forum for PATE Researchers

On 9/22/2010 8:18 AM, Ken wrote: > I am new to this message board and have been reading some of the messages. I'm not sure exactly how to use this tool. > > I am "slowly" gathering information on the family of Charles Pate b: 1 May 1729, Bertie Co. NC. I am also interested in > the DNA project. I have been reading the links about how to participate in the DNA project but how can I look at the results of > all the testing? Is there a posting of the results online? > > Ken > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Ken Go to the Pate DNA Project site:- http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pate-dna-project/default.aspx?section=yr In the left frame click on the "Y-DNA Results" link. This will display-"Y-DNA Test Results (Alleles) for Project Members" chart. It is generally held that Charles Pate b 1 May 1729, Bertie Co., NC is a descendant of Thoroughgood Pate. On the "Y-DNA Test Results (Alleles) for Project Members" scroll down to the Thoroughgood Pate group. You will note entries that look like this: 76 132030 Hollis M. Pate, b. 1810, South Carolina *I2b1* 15 24 15 9 15 15 11 13 11 14 12 31 Disregard the "76" as this number is subject to change. The 132030 is the test kit control number of the living man who provided a DNA sample. His MDDA (Most Distant Documented Ancestor) is Hollis M. Pate, b 1810 in SC, also a descendant of Thoroughgood Pate. The number in Red - I2b1 is a haplogroup number. The next 12 numbers are Allele or marker values. This participant had only a 12 marker analysis. For privacy and security purposes, the name and address of the Project member are not publicly displayed. I would encourage you to visit the RootsWeb World Connect site: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ Enter the data base name - thoroughgoodpate - in the 'jump to specific data base' box and click on the "Go" button. or just click - http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=thoroughgoodpate This site, developed and maintained by Joe Scarborough, is exclusively focused on Pate DNA research. To short cut this for you, your Charles Pate b 1729 can be found at:- http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=thoroughgoodpate&id=I230 Joel Pate Tallahassee, FL Moderator- Pate List Serve -- PATE DNA PROJECT http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pate-dna-project Sharing Our Past, Our Present and Our Future PATE LIST SERVE [email protected] A free E-Mail Forum for PATE Researchers

Hi Ken, This link should enable you to see the Y-DNA results of the Pate DNA Project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pate-dna-project/default.aspx?section=yr esults Best regards, April -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:19 AM To: PATE Message Board Subject: [PATE] Charles Pate I am new to this message board and have been reading some of the messages. I'm not sure exactly how to use this tool. I am "slowly" gathering information on the family of Charles Pate b: 1 May 1729, Bertie Co. NC. I am also interested in the DNA project. I have been reading the links about how to participate in the DNA project but how can I look at the results of all the testing? Is there a posting of the results online? Ken ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am new to this message board and have been reading some of the messages. I'm not sure exactly how to use this tool. I am "slowly" gathering information on the family of Charles Pate b: 1 May 1729, Bertie Co. NC. I am also interested in the DNA project. I have been reading the links about how to participate in the DNA project but how can I look at the results of all the testing? Is there a posting of the results online? Ken

Tami, Sorry the DNA did not match the line you hoped for. We have two other surname projects at that same brick wall. To confirm that something like informal adoption happened with James Pate, your best bet is to find another DNA participant from this line but from a sibling of the ancestor to test - if one existed and can be found. Testing someone who is a direct descendant of James will not help unless something out of the ordinary actually happened after James. In that case, a "confirmation" test of another ancestor might be worthwhile, especially if FTDNA has a good sale during the holidays. A full 67 marker test would not be needed. Even a 12 marker test would be helpful to establish the important #1 marker of 14 which set your donor apart from the other Pate surname groups.. In one of our other DNA surname projects, we were fortunate to have a long held theory of two late 1700 men being siblings proven true with the DNA. I personally happily ate humble pie on that connection. I never in this world thought we would ever connect to that line but did 100%. However, although they carry the surname we were researching but tested out of that surname's gene pool, we have not been able to push that one generation back to find the correct surname. On one of my surname projects, Taylor, we had a gentleman, Torres, who had been told he was from our surname from Civil War times. He was one marker off at 67 but we had no paperwork to clarify his situation. After 3 years of research, and waiting, I received an excited e-mail from him last week. He has found what is very likely one his ancestor's other children's descendants. What makes research so funny, yet exciting is - he found his link through an life-long old friend while they visited in WalMart while their wives shopped. Very likely Torres and his friend's wife are related. You never know where or when you will find your next clue!!! Hang in with us and don't despair - perhaps one day???. Nita -----Original Message----- From: April Johnson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, Sep 21, 2010 4:05 am Subject: Re: [PATE] James Pate abt. 1818 KY Hi, Tami, and thanks for the reply. Just a suggestion--Maybe you could find another descendant from this James Pate (abt.1818 KY) to participate in the Pate DNA Project, and then you'd have more DNA to compare? I know that in my Pate line, a grandson (son of a daughter) was raised by his grandparents without any formal adoption process; but, he was given their surname (his mother's maiden name), Pate. Even though he has the Pate surname, his DNA would match his father's, who was not a Pate. Theoretically, he would not fit into one of the major Pate family lines, either, if you went only by DNA results. Best wishes in your continued research, April -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tami Broadway Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] James Pate abt. 1818 KY Yes, that is my line. And I am shocked with the results. I expected James to be at least a cousin on one of the tested lines. I'm not sure which direction to go on the research now, but am probably wasting time doing much more online and trying to attach him to established Pate Family trees. Seems like the DNA would rule out any relationship with the IL/Edward group. I never found a traditional connection to them either, but I have not been doing this very long. and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Tami, and thanks for the reply. Just a suggestion--Maybe you could find another descendant from this James Pate (abt.1818 KY) to participate in the Pate DNA Project, and then you'd have more DNA to compare? I know that in my Pate line, a grandson (son of a daughter) was raised by his grandparents without any formal adoption process; but, he was given their surname (his mother's maiden name), Pate. Even though he has the Pate surname, his DNA would match his father's, who was not a Pate. Theoretically, he would not fit into one of the major Pate family lines, either, if you went only by DNA results. Best wishes in your continued research, April -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tami Broadway Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PATE] James Pate abt. 1818 KY Yes, that is my line. And I am shocked with the results. I expected James to be at least a cousin on one of the tested lines. I'm not sure which direction to go on the research now, but am probably wasting time doing much more online and trying to attach him to established Pate Family trees. Seems like the DNA would rule out any relationship with the IL/Edward group. I never found a traditional connection to them either, but I have not been doing this very long. and the body of the message

Yes, that is my line. And I am shocked with the results. I expected James to be at least a cousin on one of the tested lines. I'm not sure which direction to go on the research now, but am probably wasting time doing much more online and trying to attach him to established Pate Family trees. Seems like the DNA would rule out any relationship with the IL/Edward group. I never found a traditional connection to them either, but I have not been doing this very long. On Sep 20, 2010, at 12:32 PM, April Johnson wrote: > Hi Tami, > > Is this James Pate represented in the Pate DNA Project? I see that #143833 > has James Pate b. c. 1818 in Kentucky as his most distant determined > ancestor (currently #36 in list of Y-dna Results). > > > ---- [email protected] wrote: >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. New Researcher-James Pate b. 1818 KY (Tami Broadway) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 00:16:08 -0500 >> From: Tami Broadway <[email protected]> >> Subject: [PATE] New Researcher-James Pate b. 1818 KY >> To: [email protected] >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> I just started my family research in January of this year, and hit the > wall already on James Pate. Looks like others have hit the same wall > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message