This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Menzel8535_1 Surnames: Luderman, Runge, Schrader Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.schuylkill/11962.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Joanne, Thank you for your reply. You have been very helpful in the past, also. Fred Ludeman was married two times, but his first wife died very young, possibly in childbirth, because he was left with an infant son. His second wife was Caroline Wilhelmina RUNGE who was hired to care for his infant son... and soon he married her and went on to have 13 more children. I have most of the church records. Not all of the births were recorded. According to the 1875 Beers Plat map, F. LUDERMAN was living about half way between Gordon and Rocktown. The map shows a railway that runs along Mahanoy Creek. F. Luderman is north of that and fairly close to a road that is marked with a schoolhouse. J. Bilder and C. Klasse and Mrs. Dillman are close neighbors. Friederika Ludemann was married to Christian Schrader. According to my records, they had at least 7 children. I believe Friederika was a sister to my Fred Ludeman. However, my records are based on what I found and "concluded" from the Zion German Lutheran Church records. There may be errors in my conclusions. I am not directly related to the Schrader family. I have put them in my files, but have not done further research on that line. I appreciate any help you might give me on locating the farm. Claudia Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.