Oh well - according to the local registrar of the DAR, James Savage's work is full of errors....True???......cheers, Phyl in Reno ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hogle1@aol.com> To: <PARKER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [PARKER-L] John Parker's wife c 1585 > > In a message dated 12/13/2004 11:19:44 PM Central Standard Time, > hubfam@earthlink.net writes: > > 'Sorry to say that nearly all the information cited as facts in the messages > below can be contraverted by reading the following source: > > Richardson, Douglas."The English Origin and Ancestry of the Parker Brothers > of Massachusetts."NEHGR vol. 153[January 1997] commencing on p88. > > > > Gene and List: > > This article in the NEHGR is not gospel either. Everything that we find > printed is one person's opinion - unless we have the original birth, marriage > and death documentation for all parties involved. > > > The 1883 NEHGR article by Rev. Edward G. Hodgeman "The History of Westford, > Massachusetts, 1659-1883" > AND > The 1860 publication by James Savage, "The Genealogical Dictionary of The > First Settlers of New England, Showing Three Generations of Those Who Came > Before May, 1692, On the Basis of Farmer's Register" > BOTH state that Abraham was the first of the Parker brothers to come to > America, first settling in Charlestown and then joining with his brother James in > moving to Woburn approximately 1639. > James was married there in 1643 and Abraham in 1644. But they had both been > well established by the time of their marriages. > > My point is simply that unless the ship manifests are found, none of us can > be 100% certain of who came first. We know the time frame of when the > brothers were here, there is documetation that they did indeed come to > Massachusetts so I will not split straws over who came first. And historians differ in > opinion as we have just seen. > > Now Gene gives another mother for the Parker Brothers: "The popular notion > that the mother of those boys was Ann Gelly is not correct. She was Anna/Ann > Snagges who m. 1st Richard Sybley/Sibley." > > We now have > 1. Mrs Margery Parker > 2. Joane Drake > 3. Ann Gelley > 4. Anna/Ann Snagges > > What documentation is available to establish any of these 4 women as the > wife of John Parker? > > There are Parish Registers in Great Burstead to show the marriage of Ann > Gelley to John Parker and the births of all the known children are attributed to > "John and Ann Parker" in Great Burstead. > Granted, we have no evidence that this is OUR John Parker, but the years of > birth for the children match those provided in records of the men as adults. > And we have no evidence that Ann Gelley is the mother named Ann in all of > these births. However, again, we have the marriage in the right time frame and > the proper location noted in parish registers. > > I find no such evidence for a marriage of Joane Drake and John Parker, nor > anyone named Margery. > Personally, I will have to do some more research regarding the newly > provided information of an Anna/Ann Snagges-Sybley/Sibley. Possibly Gene would be > so kind as to provide us with a reference to shorten the quest. I have never > seen or heard this name mentioned before. > > Mention of Margery as the mother of this particular John Parker does not fit > with the 1999 NEHGR article about the Parkers that indicated that his mother > was Mary Wheeler and his father was John Parker. > > Unfortunately my copies of the above-mentioned NEHGR articles were destroyed > in a bizarre mishap on the interstate, and I have never obtained additional > copies so I can not cite the page numbers - I simply had them > cross-referenced to my own personal paper files. > > Again, we need to discuss these things and not state that one person is > right and another is wrong as we have not seen the original vital documents which > are the only absolute proof. > > Jo Hogle > >

Would Jo Hogle contact me off-list, please? Thanks, 'Gene Hubbard