Joan, I just got home from a family celebration, so I'm not sure of responses you've received. If your Fr. Strafford may have been an Augustinian look to St. Agustine rather than Old St. Joseph. Mary Finley ----- Original Message ----- From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com>; <PAPHILAD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:26 PM Subject: [PAPhl] Father Philp Stafford, Augustinian Priest. > For years I have had a photocopy of the marriage record for my 3rd > great-grandparents Mathias KIGER and Rebecca LINMIRE (as their names are > spelled > on the marriage record--actually Matthias KIGER and Rebekah LINMEYER). > They > lived in Salem County, NJ, and are buried in a Methodist Cemetery there. > Rebekah's family was always closely associated with the Moravian Church in > Gloucester County, NJ. Matthias's family was originally Catholic but by > the > time of the couple's marriage on 29 Oct. 1803 most members of the family > had > become Protestants. > > I had assumed they married in Salem County and were married by a > Protestant > minister but any record of the marriage in Salem County alluded me other > than the copy I was sent of the marriage certificate in the possession of > my > cousin who had no further information about the marriage. No one in Salem > County was familiar with a Rev. Philip Stafford either and the marriage > record states that the couple were married by Rev. Philip Stafford. > > Witnesses were: Christopher LINMIRE (the bride's father) > Barbara KIGER (the groom's sister) > Margarite WOODS (sic) (Margaret WOODS is the groom's uncle's widow--who > had > remarried--hence the surname WOODS). [Of possible interest is the fact > that Catharine Margaret HOPKINS, widow, had married Adam KIGER/GEIGER on > 5 > April, 1763 and is found in the records of Old St. Joseph's RC Church in > Philadelphia.] > > Now, searching Google Books, we have the following reference to Rev. > Philip Stafford: > > "In the late eighteenth century and early nineteenth there was but one > priest in the United States of that name,—reverend Philip Stafford, one of > Dr. > Carr's assistants in Philadelphia, who first registers at St. Joseph's, of > that city, Oct. 30, 1800. Fr. Stafford though of the same order as the > doctor,—an Augustinian, had however no school degree. It may be he had > some > connection with the Albany mission, unknown to the writer, and is the > churchman referred to above as " Dr. Stafford." At Villanova in the > convent > library, it may be added, is a Philosophic, (Poitiers, France, 1774) with > an > autograph signature reading " P. Stafford, 1778."" > Records of the American Catholic Historical Society of Philadelphia, > Volume 19, p.383 > > It now appears the couple was married in a Catholic ceremony and that Rev. > Philip Stafford was in some way associated with Old St. Joseph's in > Philadelphia. I don't find any reference to him in Catholic Trails West, > Vol. I > though (the volume that covers Old St. Joseph's). > > So, I'm wondered if anyone on the list has every run across Augustinian > Priest Father Philip Stafford? > > Joan > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joan, Contact the Augustinian Historical Institute at 610-519-7590 and check out http://www.villanova.edu/artsci/ahi/ They might be able to help you. Mary Ann Villanova Pa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> > To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com>; <PAPHILAD@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:26 PM > Subject: [PAPhl] Father Philp Stafford, Augustinian Priest. >> For years I have had a photocopy of the marriage record for my 3rd >> great-grandparents Mathias KIGER and Rebecca LINMIRE (as their names are >> spelled >> on the marriage record--actually Matthias KIGER and Rebekah LINMEYER). >> They >> lived in Salem County, NJ, and are buried in a Methodist Cemetery there. >> Rebekah's family was always closely associated with the Moravian Church >> in >> Gloucester County, NJ. Matthias's family was originally Catholic but by >> the >> time of the couple's marriage on 29 Oct. 1803 most members of the family >> had >> become Protestants. >> >> I had assumed they married in Salem County and were married by a >> Protestant >> minister but any record of the marriage in Salem County alluded me other >> than the copy I was sent of the marriage certificate in the possession of >> my >> cousin who had no further information about the marriage. No one in Salem >> County was familiar with a Rev. Philip Stafford either and the marriage >> record states that the couple were married by Rev. Philip Stafford. >> >> Witnesses were: Christopher LINMIRE (the bride's father) >> Barbara KIGER (the groom's sister) >> Margarite WOODS (sic) (Margaret WOODS is the groom's uncle's widow--who >> had >> remarried--hence the surname WOODS). [Of possible interest is the fact >> that Catharine Margaret HOPKINS, widow, had married Adam KIGER/GEIGER on >> 5 >> April, 1763 and is found in the records of Old St. Joseph's RC Church in >> Philadelphia.] >> >> Now, searching Google Books, we have the following reference to Rev. >> Philip Stafford: >> >> "In the late eighteenth century and early nineteenth there was but one >> priest in the United States of that name,—reverend Philip Stafford, one >> of >> Dr. >> Carr's assistants in Philadelphia, who first registers at St. Joseph's, >> of >> that city, Oct. 30, 1800. Fr. Stafford though of the same order as the >> doctor,—an Augustinian, had however no school degree. It may be he had >> some >> connection with the Albany mission, unknown to the writer, and is the >> churchman referred to above as " Dr. Stafford." At Villanova in the >> convent >> library, it may be added, is a Philosophic, (Poitiers, France, 1774) >> with >> an >> autograph signature reading " P. Stafford, 1778."" >> Records of the American Catholic Historical Society of Philadelphia, >> Volume 19, p.383 >> >> It now appears the couple was married in a Catholic ceremony and that >> Rev. >> Philip Stafford was in some way associated with Old St. Joseph's in >> Philadelphia. I don't find any reference to him in Catholic Trails West, >> Vol. I >> though (the volume that covers Old St. Joseph's). >> >> So, I'm wondered if anyone on the list has every run across Augustinian >> Priest Father Philip Stafford?