Hi, It pays to review your prior research. My sister corresponded with a gentleman in 1975-1979 who had researched the Haines family. In the course of his research he had interviewed my grandmother (maiden name Haines) in 1930. I knew nothing of this until yesterday. My sister recently retired and has begun to scour through her files. Thank God! In his letter to my sister he informed her that his research revealed that my great great grandfather, Thomas D. Haines, had married Susan Kelly 15 Oct 1857 in the Trinity P.E. Church. I did not have the marriage date or location so this is wonderful news. Even more exciting is the possibility that he has revealed the names of my great great great grandparents. He reported finding information on the family of Thomas and Elizabeth Haines. Both Thomas and his son Thomas (we believe my great great grandfather) were ship's carpenters. The letter provides PCD info on the family from 1835 through the 1844 death of Thomas (the father) and the subsequest listing of his widow through 1877. A whole new generation I knew nothing about! The father was buried in 1844 in Union Cemetery (I previously enquired about this cemetery, it was closed about 1904) now I need to find out if the cemetery records have survived. Possibly at PHS? The kind gentleman reporting finding Elizabeth Haines (age 48) and her son, Thomas (age 20 ), a ship carpenter, in the 1850 census in Southwark. I just tried to find them last evening and had no luck. It could possibly tell me where Elizabeth was born. I now need to find out if the records from the Trinity P.E. church survive. Does anyone know anything about this church? I hope my sister does more cleaning out of her files! Lorraine --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.