In a message dated 01 31 2006 10:49:48 PM, PAPHILAD-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << I am trying to determine the marriage date of my great grandparents, ... Their first child was born in September 1879 so they were probably married between 1877-1879. One source I have, which is of dubious value, says they were married on 7 May but didn't say what year. Any clues would be appreciated. >> oooooooooooooooooooooooooo Good Phila. civil Mariage indexes start around 1860. They are available at city archives, LDS and HSP. A newspaper might list the marriage. Milton E. Botwinick [professional genealogist] botwinick@aol.com botwinick@alumni.rowan.edu MEBotwinick@alumni.temple.edu http://hometown.aol.com/botwinick/myhomepage/index.html