That's highway robbery - when Cardinal Rigali was in St. Louis, he saw to it that the Catholic cemetery records were put online, so you can now search them for free. We need to ask him to do that for Philly. Sorry to get on my soap box again, but it would help a lot of people. Cordially, Betty Torno St. Louis, MO ---- Elaine Sharp <bellemarco@gmail.com> wrote: > As suggested, I called New Cathedral Cemetery today and they did give me the > Lot numbers (2 lots) for the Michael, Margaret McBride and daughter but he > said if I wanted any further information to send $15 per lot. Since this is > the only way I will probably be able to get this information, here goes the > genealogy budget again. Would also like a picture of the stone someday. > > Thanks, > Elaine Sharp > Sacramento CA > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many years ago, I attended a genealogical conference in Philadelphia at which I learned that the Catholic Church had a prohibition against releasing any church records of a deceased Catholic. Not being Catholic myself, I did not know if this was true but a Catholic attendee assured me that she had run into this brick wall. With a widespread and growing interest in family genealogy, I am sure these rules have been relaxed or eliminated but some records may still be hard to find. Natalie ndburrows@verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <drbrabbit@aol.com> To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:04 PM Subject: [PAPhl] Phildelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office > Listers and Karen, > After reading this post, I have a question about Philadelphia Catholic > Cem. Office. Is one place that has a listing of most all Catholic > deceased persons? I guess I just am not sure how to use that place. > I have a number of deceased Catholic ancestors, three of whom I know > death dates, but at least three others I cannot find any death dates. Is > this a place that might be able to help? > Thanks listers for being so informative and helpful. > D. Blackwell > Florida > > > > Elaine, > > I would suggest that you send one check for $15.00 asking for the burial > locations of all three - I do it all the time and they give me more than > one lot > information for my ONE check! They are very quick. > > Philadelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office > 111 South 38th Street > Philadelphia, PA 19104-3136 > (215) 895-3450 > > Karen in PA > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Elaine Sharp <bellemarco@gmail.com> > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 12:10 pm > Subject: [PAPhl] McBride - New Cathedral Cemetery > > > As suggested, I called New Cathedral Cemetery today and they did give me > the > ot numbers (2 lots) for the Michael, Margaret McBride and daughter but he > aid if I wanted any further information to send $15 per lot. Since this > is > he only way I will probably be able to get this information, here goes the > enealogy budget again. Would also like a picture of the stone someday. > Thanks, > laine Sharp > acramento CA > ********* > isit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ******** > ------------------------------ > o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com > > ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > he message > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There are two separate issues: fees for research purposes, and privacy as far as who may view the records. If I made it sound as though one had something to do with the other, that was not my intent. I gave the fees because it's helpful to plan when knowing them, just as it's helpful to know what can be accessed on our own and what we need to hire someone for. I happen to think it's great that the privacy of the records is maintained, but that the information on my family is made available to me using CCO for deaths and PAHRC for baptisms and marriages. --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Natalie Burrows <ndburrows@verizon.net> wrote: From: Natalie Burrows <ndburrows@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Philadelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 4:13 PM Laurie: I was told that this was a prohibition for purely religious reasons, not because of any fee that could be charged for the information. As a non-Catholic, I respect that rationale. It is a totally different thing when family information has been co-opted for LDS repositories and is not available without membership and fees. Natalie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie" <larzemail@yahoo.com> To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Philadelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office > I've found Catholic records to be particularly helpful. However, the > public is not allowed to view the records. There are two repositories, > each that charges a fee, that are excellent resources: > > Philadelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office (CCO) is one. A fee of $15 is not > new; it's actually been posted in some cemeteries for a few years now. > However, not all cemeteries are strict about this, particularly if one is > asking where a family is buried in person. CCO has friendly staff, and a > phone call is the best way to reach them, though e-mail and postal mail > are options as well. > > Philadelphia Archdiocesan Historical Research Center is the other. > http://www.pahrc.net/ I paid $25 about a year ago, and I sent in detailed > information listing the exact known dates of births and marriages. I > received 3 generations' worth of documentation for that one fee. It helps > to limit their time by doing work in advance. Death records are not > available at PAHRC. For genealogical purposes, records of baptisms and > marriages are the only events available here. General questions can be > asked by calling or e-mailing them, but that shouldn't be necessary since > they list holdings and churches they have records for. I highly recommend > this for anyone with Catholic ancestors. I need to order more records, but > budget reasons make it necessary to space out my requests--it's almost > time for another set of records to be ordered :) > > For reasons I do not understand, but that may be due to what Natalie > writes of below, it is becoming increasingly difficult to get information > when visiting certain cemeteries. Additionally, photographs are becoming > an issue: many people have been told they cannot take photos, and more > than once people have been asked to leave when taking photographs. > Philadelphia is a fascinating area to research, and there are so many > repositories that are fairly easy to access (though admittedly it does > take some money if you can't visit the city), but as with any area, the > more work done in advance of approaching anyone at the above 2 > repositories or any of the cemeteries that have offices the better the > chances of getting the information sought. > > > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Natalie Burrows <ndburrows@verizon.net> wrote: > Many years ago, I attended a genealogical conference in Philadelphia at > which I learned that the Catholic Church had a prohibition against > releasing > any church records of a deceased Catholic. Not being Catholic myself, I > did > not know if this was true but a Catholic attendee assured me that she had > run into this brick wall. With a widespread and growing interest in family > genealogy, I am sure these rules have been relaxed or eliminated but some > records may still be hard to find. > Natalie > ndburrows@verizon.net > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The birth indexes may be rented for use at your local family history center, or if you live near enough, the Philadelphia City Archives might be of help. I've found births in those early years using indexes at both the FHC  and PCA. Not all are registered though, and the films can be very hard to read, so be prepared to spend some time reading these, particularly as you're not certain of the age. As for marriages, if the marriage was after 1860, you can do the same thing: use the marriage index at the same repositories. Then look up the marriage register pages, also on film. --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Michael McAllister <mcallisterfamily@btinternet.com> wrote: From: Michael McAllister <mcallisterfamily@btinternet.com> Subject: [PAPhl] SIMPSON name To: PAPHILAD@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 4:40 PM Hi List, just joined, my name is Michael McAllister.   I am trying to track down a family of SIMPSONs, who were on the 1870 census of Philadelphia City, tenth Division, page number 119. Line 21 is the family I am seeking, The youngest son, Henry appears to have been born in Philadelphia presumably in the October of 1869 as he was eight months old when the census was taken in June 1870. Is there any way I could possibly get hold of a copy of the birth, also is it possible to check for a marriage within the City, of Henry SIMPSON and Rachael please.  I cannot find one prior to their coming over to the States.  This would leave me three options, a)., they didn't marry at all, b)., they married on board on the trip over and c)., they married in Philadelphia? Any help in pointing me in the right direction would be most appreciative. Many thanks, Michael ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary, Thank you for clarifying! I wholeheartedly agree about the staff at the Archdiocese. They are wonderful. Isn't New Cathedral also an Archdiocesan Cemetery? Elaine was looking for family there. Karen in PA -----Original Message----- From: Mary Finley <marmfin@verizon.net> To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 2:01 pm Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Phildelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office Just a reminder....all of the offices of the archdiocese are CLOSED omorrow, Ascension Thursday. It is a Holy Day of Obligation for Catholics. The Archdiocesan cemeteries and founding dates-Calvary 1945, (Old) Cathedral 849, Holy Cross 1890, Holy Sepulchre 1892, SS. Peter and Paul 1958, St. ohn Neumann 1981, Resurrection 1959, All Souls 2009. The Catholic emeteries office has a small, very polite staff. I count over 50 parish cemeteries, some of them very old. St. Denis, avertown, is outstanding for friendly response to queries. Also, the Philadelphia Catholic Archives does NOT do cemetery searches. Mary Finley ----- Original Message ----- rom: <girt@aol.com> o: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> ent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:23 PM ubject: Re: [PAPhl] Phildelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office D., Many Philadelphia Cemeteries are considered Archdiocesan Cemeteries and the records are kept in this central location. Some cemeteries in Philly are not considered Archdiocesan and the records are kept at that cemetery's church. AND...Holy Cross Cemetery in Yeadon is part of the Philadelphia Archdiocese. I'm pretty sure that New Cathedral is covered under the Archdiocese since it is not associated with a church Parish. You do have to know the date of death for the Catholic Cemeteries Office. I don't think they do searches but I could be wrong. You could try the Philadelphia Catholic Archvies. pahrc89@gmail.com They charge $15.00 an hour for research fees. You can email them and ask them for free, however. ******** isit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ******** ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

There are few birth records from that time. Most people did not report births. Marriage records are at City Hall, Philadelphia (Marriage License Bureau), and on-line at the LDS cite.  Gene Stackhouse ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael McAllister <mcallisterfamily@btinternet.com> To: PAPHILAD@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 4:40:46 PM Subject: [PAPhl] SIMPSON name Hi List, just joined, my name is Michael McAllister.   I am trying to track down a family of SIMPSONs, who were on the 1870 census of Philadelphia City, tenth Division, page number 119. Line 21 is the family I am seeking, The youngest son, Henry appears to have been born in Philadelphia presumably in the October of 1869 as he was eight months old when the census was taken in June 1870. Is there any way I could possibly get hold of a copy of the birth, also is it possible to check for a marriage within the City, of Henry SIMPSON and Rachael please.  I cannot find one prior to their coming over to the States.  This would leave me three options, a)., they didn't marry at all, b)., they married on board on the trip over and c)., they married in Philadelphia? Any help in pointing me in the right direction would be most appreciative. Many thanks, Michael ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just a reminder....all of the offices of the archdiocese are CLOSED tomorrow, Ascension Thursday. It is a Holy Day of Obligation for Catholics. The Archdiocesan cemeteries and founding dates-Calvary 1945, (Old) Cathedral 1849, Holy Cross 1890, Holy Sepulchre 1892, SS. Peter and Paul 1958, St. John Neumann 1981, Resurrection 1959, All Souls 2009. The Catholic Cemeteries office has a small, very polite staff. I count over 50 parish cemeteries, some of them very old. St. Denis, Havertown, is outstanding for friendly response to queries. Also, the Philadelphia Catholic Archives does NOT do cemetery searches. Mary Finley ----- Original Message ----- From: <girt@aol.com> To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Phildelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office > > D., > > Many Philadelphia Cemeteries are considered Archdiocesan Cemeteries and > the records are kept in this central location. Some cemeteries in Philly > are not considered Archdiocesan and the records are kept at that > cemetery's church. AND...Holy Cross Cemetery in Yeadon is part of the > Philadelphia Archdiocese. I'm pretty sure that New Cathedral is covered > under the Archdiocese since it is not associated with a church Parish. > > You do have to know the date of death for the Catholic Cemeteries Office. > I don't think they do searches but I could be wrong. You could try the > Philadelphia Catholic Archvies. pahrc89@gmail.com They charge $15.00 an > hour for research fees. You can email them and ask them for free, > however.

D., Many Philadelphia Cemeteries are considered Archdiocesan Cemeteries and the records are kept in this central location. Some cemeteries in Philly are not considered Archdiocesan and the records are kept at that cemetery's church. AND...Holy Cross Cemetery in Yeadon is part of the Philadelphia Archdiocese. I'm pretty sure that New Cathedral is covered under the Archdiocese since it is not associated with a church Parish. You do have to know the date of death for the Catholic Cemeteries Office. I don't think they do searches but I could be wrong. You could try the Philadelphia Catholic Archvies. pahrc89@gmail.com They charge $15.00 an hour for research fees. You can email them and ask them for free, however. Karen in PA -----Original Message----- From: drbrabbit@aol.com To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 1:04 pm Subject: [PAPhl] Phildelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office Listers and Karen, fter reading this post, I have a question about Philadelphia Catholic Cem. ffice. Is one place that has a listing of most all Catholic deceased persons? guess I just am not sure how to use that place. I have a number of deceased Catholic ancestors, three of whom I know death ates, but at least three others I cannot find any death dates. Is this a place hat might be able to help? Thanks listers for being so informative and helpful. . Blackwell lorida laine, I would suggest that you send one check for $15.00 asking for the burial ocations of all three - I do it all the time and they give me more than one lot information for my ONE check! They are very quick. Philadelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office 11 South 38th Street hiladelphia, PA 19104-3136 215) 895-3450 Karen in PA ----Original Message----- rom: Elaine Sharp <bellemarco@gmail.com> o: paphilad@rootsweb.com ent: Wed, May 12, 2010 12:10 pm ubject: [PAPhl] McBride - New Cathedral Cemetery s suggested, I called New Cathedral Cemetery today and they did give me the t numbers (2 lots) for the Michael, Margaret McBride and daughter but he id if I wanted any further information to send $15 per lot. Since this is e only way I will probably be able to get this information, here goes the nealogy budget again. Would also like a picture of the stone someday. hanks, aine Sharp cramento CA ******** sit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ******* ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com th the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message ********* isit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ******** ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ******** isit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ******** ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message =

Listers and Karen, After reading this post, I have a question about Philadelphia Catholic Cem. Office. Is one place that has a listing of most all Catholic deceased persons? I guess I just am not sure how to use that place. I have a number of deceased Catholic ancestors, three of whom I know death dates, but at least three others I cannot find any death dates. Is this a place that might be able to help? Thanks listers for being so informative and helpful. D. Blackwell Florida Elaine, I would suggest that you send one check for $15.00 asking for the burial locations of all three - I do it all the time and they give me more than one lot information for my ONE check! They are very quick. Philadelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office 111 South 38th Street Philadelphia, PA 19104-3136 (215) 895-3450 Karen in PA -----Original Message----- From: Elaine Sharp <bellemarco@gmail.com> To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 12:10 pm Subject: [PAPhl] McBride - New Cathedral Cemetery As suggested, I called New Cathedral Cemetery today and they did give me the ot numbers (2 lots) for the Michael, Margaret McBride and daughter but he aid if I wanted any further information to send $15 per lot. Since this is he only way I will probably be able to get this information, here goes the enealogy budget again. Would also like a picture of the stone someday. Thanks, laine Sharp acramento CA ********* isit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ******** ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elaine, I would suggest that you send one check for $15.00 asking for the burial locations of all three - I do it all the time and they give me more than one lot information for my ONE check! They are very quick. Philadelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office 111 South 38th Street Philadelphia, PA 19104-3136 (215) 895-3450 Karen in PA -----Original Message----- From: Elaine Sharp <bellemarco@gmail.com> To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 12:10 pm Subject: [PAPhl] McBride - New Cathedral Cemetery As suggested, I called New Cathedral Cemetery today and they did give me the ot numbers (2 lots) for the Michael, Margaret McBride and daughter but he aid if I wanted any further information to send $15 per lot. Since this is he only way I will probably be able to get this information, here goes the enealogy budget again. Would also like a picture of the stone someday. Thanks, laine Sharp acramento CA ********* isit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ******** ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

I've found Catholic records to be particularly helpful. However, the public is not allowed to view the records. There are two repositories, each that charges a fee, that are excellent resources: Philadelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office (CCO) is one. A fee of $15 is not new; it's actually been posted in some cemeteries for a few years now. However, not all cemeteries are strict about this, particularly if one is asking where a family is buried in person. CCO has friendly staff, and a phone call is the best way to reach them, though e-mail and postal mail are options as well. Philadelphia Archdiocesan Historical Research Center is the other. http://www.pahrc.net/ I paid $25 about a year ago, and I sent in detailed information listing the exact known dates of births and marriages. I received 3 generations' worth of documentation for that one fee. It helps to limit their time by doing work in advance. Death records are not available at PAHRC. For genealogical purposes, records of baptisms and marriages are the only events available here. General questions can be asked by calling or e-mailing them, but that shouldn't be necessary since they list holdings and churches they have records for. I highly recommend this for anyone with Catholic ancestors. I need to order more records, but budget reasons make it necessary to space out my requests--it's almost time for another set of records to be ordered :) For reasons I do not understand, but that may be due to what Natalie writes of below, it is becoming increasingly difficult to get information when visiting certain cemeteries. Additionally, photographs are becoming an issue: many people have been told they cannot take photos, and more than once people have been asked to leave when taking photographs. Philadelphia is a fascinating area to research, and there are so many repositories that are fairly easy to access (though admittedly it does take some money if you can't visit the city), but as with any area, the more work done in advance of approaching anyone at the above 2 repositories or any of the cemeteries that have offices the better the chances of getting the information sought. --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Natalie Burrows <ndburrows@verizon.net> wrote: Many years ago, I attended a genealogical conference in Philadelphia at which I learned that the Catholic Church had a prohibition against releasing any church records of a deceased Catholic. Not being Catholic myself, I did not know if this was true but a Catholic attendee assured me that she had run into this brick wall. With a widespread and growing interest in family genealogy, I am sure these rules have been relaxed or eliminated but some records may still be hard to find. Natalie ndburrows@verizon.net

As suggested, I called New Cathedral Cemetery today and they did give me the Lot numbers (2 lots) for the Michael, Margaret McBride and daughter but he said if I wanted any further information to send $15 per lot. Since this is the only way I will probably be able to get this information, here goes the genealogy budget again. Would also like a picture of the stone someday. Thanks, Elaine Sharp Sacramento CA

Why not contact New Cathedral? If she was buried there, they may be wiling / able to give you the details; be sure to ask for section, range, and lot. Or, since you're sure the daughter's buried there (ask for her section, range, and lot if you don't already have it), see if they will give you a list of everyone buried in the same plot. If you get a section, range, and lot for either or both (but can't get the full details of everyone else in the plot), you can contact the Catholic Cemeteries Office for a free lot profile (listing names and dates of burial). If you don't have the section, range, and lot, you can still get the list from the CCO, but there's a fee -- used to be $15, maybe still is? You'd have to check with them. Hope that helps. Claire K seekay@comcast.net On May 10, 2010, at 8:16 PM, E Sharp wrote: > I finally found out that Margaret McBride died in 1920. What is the > best way to find out WHEN in 1920 that she died as I would like to > obtain an obit. I believe ...she is buried at New Cathedral....

The query is for sacramental records around 1850. St. Vincent de Paul was founded in 1851. St. Michael of the Saints was founded in 1924, closed in 1982, but the records are certainly still available even though it doesn't apply to this query. (It is possible to find other than Italians in an Italian parish.) St. Bridget's was founded in 1853, so the marriage record isn't likely to be there, but the Baptisms might be. I would consider St. Stephen, founded 1843. St. John the Baptist was founded in 1831, another possibility. All of those early records are held at PAHRC. The person inquiring could request a search of St. Vincent, St. Bridget, St. John the Baptist and St. Stephen. It is helpful that she has the maiden name for Mary Ann. Maybe she will get lucky! Regards, Mary McCanney Finley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Cunningham" <drybones@netreach.net> To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [PAPhl] question regarding "Germantown" and Catholic churches, c. 1850's > There are a couple. St Vincent's, St Michael of the Saints, and I > think there is an Italian one several blocks east of Germantown Avenue. > St Bridget's in East Falls (on Midvale Avenue) is not in Germantown - > maybe a mile or two away, but it is Irish. St Vincent's is certainly > most likely. I looked at an old list and I am not sure St Michael of > the Saints is still in existence. > > Elizabeth C > > acmbjc@aol.com wrote: >> >> Hello Listers: >> >> >> This is a first time post. I am searching for information about Patrick >> KELLY and Mary Ann DOLAN (1825, Galway IRE--1890, Allegheny City, >> Allegheny Co., PA). They were the parents of two known children: >> Patrick/Patsy, b. abt. 1851-52, PA, and Mary Anna, b. June 1854, PA. >> Have been searching for their exact dates and places of birth for over 20 >> years. Since Mary Ann nee Dolan Kelly and her two children resided in >> Huntingdon Co., per the 1860 census, and later in Allegheny Co., per 1870 >> and 1880 censuses I have done pretty extensive research in the Pittsburgh >> area and have not found baptism information for Patsy or Mary Anna. I >> has been suggested by a professional researcher in Pittsburgh that >> possibly this family lived in the Philadelphia area. So I have found a >> Patrick and Maria Kelly in the 1850 Germantown, Philadelphia Co., PA >> census. >> >> >> I have contacted the Philadelphia Diocese and been told that I need to >> determine what parish this family attended, and go from there. So am >> asking for help as to the names of Catholic churches/parishes c. 1850's >> in the Germantown area. >> >> >> Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> Marybeth Corrigall >> northeast Ohio >> acmbjc@aol.com >> >> >> > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There is another daughter Lille Clark daughter of Michael and Margaret Foley McBride who died Jan 19 1910. Her obituary is also listed. -----Original Message----- From: Elaine Sharp <bellemarco@gmail.com> To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 9:28 pm Subject: Re: [PAPhl] 1920 death record Thanks, Mary Ann. Our Margaret (Foley) McBride died in 1920 and her daughter was Catherine McBride Kline who died July 1, 1918. Elaine ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elaine, I found an obit for a Grace E. McBride daughter of Margaret and the late James McBride in the Phila Inquirer dated 5-18-1918 and 5-19-1918. She was buried from Church of the Nativity and St. Ann's cemetery. If you would like the obit I can email it to you. I still can't find Margaret in 1920 Mary Ann Villanova Pa -------------------------------------------------- From: ""E" Sharp" <bellemarco@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:16 PM To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> Subject: [PAPhl] 1920 death record > I finally found out that Margaret McBride died in 1920. What is the > best way to find out WHEN in 1920 that she died as I would like to > obtain an obit. I believe her burial service might have been from Our > Lady of Mercy Church and that she is buried at New Cathedral where her > daughter who died in 1918 is buried.

I do not have a subscription to genealogybank.com but you can play around with it without a subscription. March 5, 1920 Margaret C McBride wife of Patrick J (nee Friel) Funeral Wed 8:30; St. Anthony Church; Int. Holy Cross Cem -----Original Message----- From: "E" Sharp <bellemarco@gmail.com> To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, May 10, 2010 8:16 pm Subject: [PAPhl] 1920 death record I finally found out that Margaret McBride died in 1920. What is the best way to find out WHEN in 1920 that she died as I would like to obtain an obit. I believe her burial service might have been from Our Lady of Mercy Church and that she is buried at New Cathedral where her daughter who died in 1918 is buried. Thank you. Elaine Sharp Sacramento CA ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elaine, I just searched the Phila Inquirer death notices from 1919-1922 and came up with a Margaret McBride nee Friel who was the wife of Patrick J McBride. She died 3-5-1920 and was buried from St. Anthony's church and Holy Cross cemetery. I don't think she is yours since in your other email you say the sisters' maiden names were Foley and Margaret married a Michael. Mary Ann Villanova Pa -------------------------------------------------- From: ""E" Sharp" <bellemarco@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:16 PM To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> Subject: [PAPhl] 1920 death record > I finally found out that Margaret McBride died in 1920. What is the > best way to find out WHEN in 1920 that she died as I would like to > obtain an obit. I believe her burial service might have been from Our > Lady of Mercy Church and that she is buried at New Cathedral where her > daughter who died in 1918 is buried. > > Thank you. > Elaine Sharp > Sacramento CA >

Does the 1920 Phila Directory have a death index, i.e. who died during the year as some of the other cities have? Elaine

As far as I know, you need the exact date. Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > From: bellemarco@gmail.com > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 17:42:47 -0700 > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] 1920 death record > > Eugene, > > Do they have a death index as I do not have a month/day in 1920? > > Elaine Sharp > > -----Original Message----- > From: paphilad-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:paphilad-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Eugene Stackhouse > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:20 PM > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] 1920 death record > > > Obtain her death certificate from the PA Dept of Vital Records in > Newcastle, PA. > > Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message