Does anyone know what happened to St. Stephen Catholic Cemetery at lycoming & elser street philadelphia?

Hi again List, Firstly I would like to thank all that came to my assistance with knowledge of births of my SIMPSON children.   Secondly, I would like to know if there are any online directories available for Philadelphia in the 1870s please?   Regards Michael McAllister

Thanks, Mary Ann! Joan In a message dated 5/16/2010 9:31:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, chip44@verizon.net writes: Joan, Contact the Augustinian Historical Institute at 610-519-7590 and check out http://www.villanova.edu/artsci/ahi/ They might be able to help you. Mary Ann Villanova Pa

Joan, Contact the Augustinian Historical Institute at 610-519-7590 and check out http://www.villanova.edu/artsci/ahi/ They might be able to help you. Mary Ann Villanova Pa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> > To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com>; <PAPHILAD@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:26 PM > Subject: [PAPhl] Father Philp Stafford, Augustinian Priest. >> For years I have had a photocopy of the marriage record for my 3rd >> great-grandparents Mathias KIGER and Rebecca LINMIRE (as their names are >> spelled >> on the marriage record--actually Matthias KIGER and Rebekah LINMEYER). >> They >> lived in Salem County, NJ, and are buried in a Methodist Cemetery there. >> Rebekah's family was always closely associated with the Moravian Church >> in >> Gloucester County, NJ. Matthias's family was originally Catholic but by >> the >> time of the couple's marriage on 29 Oct. 1803 most members of the family >> had >> become Protestants. >> >> I had assumed they married in Salem County and were married by a >> Protestant >> minister but any record of the marriage in Salem County alluded me other >> than the copy I was sent of the marriage certificate in the possession of >> my >> cousin who had no further information about the marriage. No one in Salem >> County was familiar with a Rev. Philip Stafford either and the marriage >> record states that the couple were married by Rev. Philip Stafford. >> >> Witnesses were: Christopher LINMIRE (the bride's father) >> Barbara KIGER (the groom's sister) >> Margarite WOODS (sic) (Margaret WOODS is the groom's uncle's widow--who >> had >> remarried--hence the surname WOODS). [Of possible interest is the fact >> that Catharine Margaret HOPKINS, widow, had married Adam KIGER/GEIGER on >> 5 >> April, 1763 and is found in the records of Old St. Joseph's RC Church in >> Philadelphia.] >> >> Now, searching Google Books, we have the following reference to Rev. >> Philip Stafford: >> >> "In the late eighteenth century and early nineteenth there was but one >> priest in the United States of that name,—reverend Philip Stafford, one >> of >> Dr. >> Carr's assistants in Philadelphia, who first registers at St. Joseph's, >> of >> that city, Oct. 30, 1800. Fr. Stafford though of the same order as the >> doctor,—an Augustinian, had however no school degree. It may be he had >> some >> connection with the Albany mission, unknown to the writer, and is the >> churchman referred to above as " Dr. Stafford." At Villanova in the >> convent >> library, it may be added, is a Philosophic, (Poitiers, France, 1774) >> with >> an >> autograph signature reading " P. Stafford, 1778."" >> Records of the American Catholic Historical Society of Philadelphia, >> Volume 19, p.383 >> >> It now appears the couple was married in a Catholic ceremony and that >> Rev. >> Philip Stafford was in some way associated with Old St. Joseph's in >> Philadelphia. I don't find any reference to him in Catholic Trails West, >> Vol. I >> though (the volume that covers Old St. Joseph's). >> >> So, I'm wondered if anyone on the list has every run across Augustinian >> Priest Father Philip Stafford?

Joan, I just got home from a family celebration, so I'm not sure of responses you've received. If your Fr. Strafford may have been an Augustinian look to St. Agustine rather than Old St. Joseph. Mary Finley ----- Original Message ----- From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: <philly-roots@rootsweb.com>; <PAPHILAD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 7:26 PM Subject: [PAPhl] Father Philp Stafford, Augustinian Priest. > For years I have had a photocopy of the marriage record for my 3rd > great-grandparents Mathias KIGER and Rebecca LINMIRE (as their names are > spelled > on the marriage record--actually Matthias KIGER and Rebekah LINMEYER). > They > lived in Salem County, NJ, and are buried in a Methodist Cemetery there. > Rebekah's family was always closely associated with the Moravian Church in > Gloucester County, NJ. Matthias's family was originally Catholic but by > the > time of the couple's marriage on 29 Oct. 1803 most members of the family > had > become Protestants. > > I had assumed they married in Salem County and were married by a > Protestant > minister but any record of the marriage in Salem County alluded me other > than the copy I was sent of the marriage certificate in the possession of > my > cousin who had no further information about the marriage. No one in Salem > County was familiar with a Rev. Philip Stafford either and the marriage > record states that the couple were married by Rev. Philip Stafford. > > Witnesses were: Christopher LINMIRE (the bride's father) > Barbara KIGER (the groom's sister) > Margarite WOODS (sic) (Margaret WOODS is the groom's uncle's widow--who > had > remarried--hence the surname WOODS). [Of possible interest is the fact > that Catharine Margaret HOPKINS, widow, had married Adam KIGER/GEIGER on > 5 > April, 1763 and is found in the records of Old St. Joseph's RC Church in > Philadelphia.] > > Now, searching Google Books, we have the following reference to Rev. > Philip Stafford: > > "In the late eighteenth century and early nineteenth there was but one > priest in the United States of that name,—reverend Philip Stafford, one of > Dr. > Carr's assistants in Philadelphia, who first registers at St. Joseph's, of > that city, Oct. 30, 1800. Fr. Stafford though of the same order as the > doctor,—an Augustinian, had however no school degree. It may be he had > some > connection with the Albany mission, unknown to the writer, and is the > churchman referred to above as " Dr. Stafford." At Villanova in the > convent > library, it may be added, is a Philosophic, (Poitiers, France, 1774) with > an > autograph signature reading " P. Stafford, 1778."" > Records of the American Catholic Historical Society of Philadelphia, > Volume 19, p.383 > > It now appears the couple was married in a Catholic ceremony and that Rev. > Philip Stafford was in some way associated with Old St. Joseph's in > Philadelphia. I don't find any reference to him in Catholic Trails West, > Vol. I > though (the volume that covers Old St. Joseph's). > > So, I'm wondered if anyone on the list has every run across Augustinian > Priest Father Philip Stafford? > > Joan > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is all true!  Gene Stackhouse: Alcohol: It's cheaper than therapy! ----- Original Message ---- From: diane adams <kitty4quilts@yahoo.com> To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 12:05:32 AM Subject: Re: [PAPhl] question regarding "Germantown" and Catholic churches, c. 1850's Gene,  I love your humor!  Diane Adams --- On Mon, 5/10/10, Eugene Stackhouse <genestackhouse@msn.com> wrote: From: Eugene Stackhouse <genestackhouse@msn.com> Subject: Re: [PAPhl] question regarding "Germantown" and Catholic churches, c. 1850's To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 5:56 PM Probably St. Vincent's. Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol , caffeine, sugar and fat. -- Alex Levine > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 19:04:32 -0400 > From: acmbjc@aol.com > Subject: [PAPhl] question regarding "Germantown" and Catholic churches, c. 1850's > > > > Hello Listers: > > > This is a first time post. I am searching for information about Patrick KELLY and Mary Ann DOLAN (1825, Galway IRE--1890, Allegheny City, Allegheny Co., PA). They were the parents of two known children: Patrick/Patsy, b. abt. 1851-52, PA, and Mary Anna, b. June 1854, PA. Have been searching for their exact dates and places of birth for over 20 years. Since Mary Ann nee Dolan Kelly and her two children resided in Huntingdon Co., per the 1860 census, and later in Allegheny Co., per 1870 and 1880 censuses I have done pretty extensive research in the Pittsburgh area and have not found baptism information for Patsy or Mary Anna. I has been suggested by a professional researcher in Pittsburgh that possibly this family lived in the Philadelphia area. So I have found a Patrick and Maria Kelly in the 1850 Germantown, Philadelphia Co., PA census. > > > I have contacted the Philadelphia Diocese and been told that I need to determine what parish this family attended, and go from there. So am asking for help as to the names of Catholic churches/parishes c. 1850's in the Germantown area. > > > Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. > > > Marybeth Corrigall > northeast Ohio > acmbjc@aol.com > > > > > > = > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message                           ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Claire- Yes...I have the Old St. Joseph's records for this period also and my people ARE in there but under the original spelling of GEIGER. Among the records you will find the marriage of Adam GEIGER to Margaret HOPKINS, widow, that I referred to previously. All of the GEIGER entries are for my family which was part of the New Jersey Mission. In fact, it was the GEIGER (KIGER) House in Salem County where the Priest from Old St. Joseph's would come several times a year, and the Priest from Goshenhoppen, Berks County before that. The GEIGERs are in the Goshenhoppen Registers as early as 1744 with the Old St. Joseph records picking up about 1758 on up. The LINMEYERs were Protestants and their records are found in The Moravian Church at Oldman's Creek (Gloucester County). The only Catholic record (I now assume) that is NOT in the Old St. Joseph's records is this marriage performed by Rev. Philip Stafford which is the reason I wondered if anyone on the list knew anything more about him. Thanks! Joan In a message dated 5/14/2010 9:25:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, seekay@comcast.net writes: Hi Joan, I don't know this priest in particular, but at that time Old St. Joe's covered all of NJ as a mission, so priests from Old St. Joe's would ride the circuit ministering to Catholics in NJ. If that's the case here, the records should be at Old St. Joe's -- whose early records have been published (by ACHS), so you might find the marriage record that way. Or, just contact the Philadelphia Archdiocesan Historical Research Center -- see http://www.pahrc.net/ and see their Genealogy / What We Have page that has info on the published Old St. Joe records -- and ask them to search for the record. They may also be able to supply info on the priest. The bad news is, I have the printed index to baptisms and marriages for Old St. Joe's (baps 1758-1810, marr 1787-1836) and neither surname appears (i.e., no Linm---, no Kig--- entries) (but maybe they were missed or misindexed?). Maybe they came over to Philadelphia to be married in Old St. Mary's? According to THE HISTORY OF THE ARCHDIOCESE OF PHILADELPHIA, in the early years, there was no clear parish boundary between Old St. Joe's and Old St. Mary's; the same source also says Carr (with whom you associate Stafford) founded St. Augustine's (obviously, an Augustinian parish, so a good place to look for an Augustinian priest), so that's another possible church to consult. The confusion re churches makes it all the more likely that PAHRC is the way to go, IMO. HTH Claire K.

Hi Joan, I don't know this priest in particular, but at that time Old St. Joe's covered all of NJ as a mission, so priests from Old St. Joe's would ride the circuit ministering to Catholics in NJ. If that's the case here, the records should be at Old St. Joe's -- whose early records have been published (by ACHS), so you might find the marriage record that way. Or, just contact the Philadelphia Archdiocesan Historical Research Center -- see http://www.pahrc.net/ and see their Genealogy / What We Have page that has info on the published Old St. Joe records -- and ask them to search for the record. They may also be able to supply info on the priest. The bad news is, I have the printed index to baptisms and marriages for Old St. Joe's (baps 1758-1810, marr 1787-1836) and neither surname appears (i.e., no Linm---, no Kig--- entries) (but maybe they were missed or misindexed?). Maybe they came over to Philadelphia to be married in Old St. Mary's? According to THE HISTORY OF THE ARCHDIOCESE OF PHILADELPHIA, in the early years, there was no clear parish boundary between Old St. Joe's and Old St. Mary's; the same source also says Carr (with whom you associate Stafford) founded St. Augustine's (obviously, an Augustinian parish, so a good place to look for an Augustinian priest), so that's another possible church to consult. The confusion re churches makes it all the more likely that PAHRC is the way to go, IMO. HTH Claire K. On May 14, 2010, at 7:26 PM, JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: > ...Mathias KIGER and Rebecca LINMIRE...actually Matthias KIGER and Rebekah LINMEYER...marriage on 29 Oct. 1803...marriage > record states that the couple were married by Rev. Philip Stafford. > > ..."In the late eighteenth century and early nineteenth there was but one > priest in the United States of that name,...first registers at St. Joseph's, of > that city, Oct. 30, 1800. ... > Records of the American Catholic Historical Society of Philadelphia, > Volume 19, p.383 > > It now appears the couple was married in a Catholic ceremony and that Rev. > Philip Stafford was in some way associated with Old St. Joseph's in > Philadelphia. ... > So, I'm wondered if anyone on the list has every run across Augustinian > Priest Father Philip Stafford? > > Joan

Gene,  I love your humor!  Diane Adams --- On Mon, 5/10/10, Eugene Stackhouse <genestackhouse@msn.com> wrote: From: Eugene Stackhouse <genestackhouse@msn.com> Subject: Re: [PAPhl] question regarding "Germantown" and Catholic churches, c. 1850's To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 5:56 PM Probably St. Vincent's. Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol , caffeine, sugar and fat. -- Alex Levine > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 19:04:32 -0400 > From: acmbjc@aol.com > Subject: [PAPhl] question regarding "Germantown" and Catholic churches, c. 1850's > > > > Hello Listers: > > > This is a first time post. I am searching for information about Patrick KELLY and Mary Ann DOLAN (1825, Galway IRE--1890, Allegheny City, Allegheny Co., PA). They were the parents of two known children: Patrick/Patsy, b. abt. 1851-52, PA, and Mary Anna, b. June 1854, PA. Have been searching for their exact dates and places of birth for over 20 years. Since Mary Ann nee Dolan Kelly and her two children resided in Huntingdon Co., per the 1860 census, and later in Allegheny Co., per 1870 and 1880 censuses I have done pretty extensive research in the Pittsburgh area and have not found baptism information for Patsy or Mary Anna. I has been suggested by a professional researcher in Pittsburgh that possibly this family lived in the Philadelphia area. So I have found a Patrick and Maria Kelly in the 1850 Germantown, Philadelphia Co., PA census. > > > I have contacted the Philadelphia Diocese and been told that I need to determine what parish this family attended, and go from there. So am asking for help as to the names of Catholic churches/parishes c. 1850's in the Germantown area. > > > Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. > > > Marybeth Corrigall > northeast Ohio > acmbjc@aol.com > > > > > > = > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message                           ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No, there wouldn't be anything at the CCO, they only have the records of the diocesan cemeteries in the Philadelphia Archdiocese. But you should find a death certificate and transit permit (to transport the body across state lines) in Philadelphia, FWIW. Claire K. On May 14, 2010, at 6:42 PM, majordon@earthlink.net wrote: > ... > would this office have information on someone who lived in Philadelphia, > but was buried in another state. > > ...Grandfather's sister lived in Philadelphia...January 1929. After her funeral...shipped back to Bridgeport, CT > for burial in the family plot.

For years I have had a photocopy of the marriage record for my 3rd great-grandparents Mathias KIGER and Rebecca LINMIRE (as their names are spelled on the marriage record--actually Matthias KIGER and Rebekah LINMEYER). They lived in Salem County, NJ, and are buried in a Methodist Cemetery there. Rebekah's family was always closely associated with the Moravian Church in Gloucester County, NJ. Matthias's family was originally Catholic but by the time of the couple's marriage on 29 Oct. 1803 most members of the family had become Protestants. I had assumed they married in Salem County and were married by a Protestant minister but any record of the marriage in Salem County alluded me other than the copy I was sent of the marriage certificate in the possession of my cousin who had no further information about the marriage. No one in Salem County was familiar with a Rev. Philip Stafford either and the marriage record states that the couple were married by Rev. Philip Stafford. Witnesses were: Christopher LINMIRE (the bride's father) Barbara KIGER (the groom's sister) Margarite WOODS (sic) (Margaret WOODS is the groom's uncle's widow--who had remarried--hence the surname WOODS). [Of possible interest is the fact that Catharine Margaret HOPKINS, widow, had married Adam KIGER/GEIGER on 5 April, 1763 and is found in the records of Old St. Joseph's RC Church in Philadelphia.] Now, searching Google Books, we have the following reference to Rev. Philip Stafford: "In the late eighteenth century and early nineteenth there was but one priest in the United States of that name,—reverend Philip Stafford, one of Dr. Carr's assistants in Philadelphia, who first registers at St. Joseph's, of that city, Oct. 30, 1800. Fr. Stafford though of the same order as the doctor,—an Augustinian, had however no school degree. It may be he had some connection with the Albany mission, unknown to the writer, and is the churchman referred to above as " Dr. Stafford." At Villanova in the convent library, it may be added, is a Philosophic, (Poitiers, France, 1774) with an autograph signature reading " P. Stafford, 1778."" Records of the American Catholic Historical Society of Philadelphia, Volume 19, p.383 It now appears the couple was married in a Catholic ceremony and that Rev. Philip Stafford was in some way associated with Old St. Joseph's in Philadelphia. I don't find any reference to him in Catholic Trails West, Vol. I though (the volume that covers Old St. Joseph's). So, I'm wondered if anyone on the list has every run across Augustinian Priest Father Philip Stafford? Joan

I have a slightly different question concerning a Catholic ancestor, would this office have information on someone who lived in Philadelphia, but was buried in another state. Case in point, my Grandfather's sister lived in Philadelphia from roughly 1919 until her death in January 1929. After her funeral in Philadelphia, my Grandfather had her body shipped back to Bridgeport, CT for burial in the family plot. Ed

Hi List, just joined, my name is Michael McAllister.   I am trying to track down a family of SIMPSONs, who were on the 1870 census of Philadelphia City, tenth Division, page number 119. Line 21 is the family I am seeking, The youngest son, Henry appears to have been born in Philadelphia presumably in the October of 1869 as he was eight months old when the census was taken in June 1870. Is there any way I could possibly get hold of a copy of the birth, also is it possible to check for a marriage within the City, of Henry SIMPSON and Rachael please.  I cannot find one prior to their coming over to the States.  This would leave me three options, a)., they didn't marry at all, b)., they married on board on the trip over and c)., they married in Philadelphia? Any help in pointing me in the right direction would be most appreciative. Many thanks, Michael

Does anyone have a Catherine (Foley) Kennedy in their family? She would have been born in, I believe, Waterford, Ireland ca 1855. She had 2 sisters who came to the US with her, Margaret Foley and Anna Foley. I believe she was still living ca 1920 but I cannot tell which Catherine Kennedy is her on Ancestry census records. So far, I have not found the sisters on ship's manifest records. Thank you. Elaine

unsubscribe -----Original Message----- From: Laurie <larzemail@yahoo.com> To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, May 12, 2010 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Philadelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office There are two separate issues: fees for research purposes, and privacy as far as ho may view the records. If I made it sound as though one had something to do ith the other, that was not my intent. I gave the fees because it's helpful to lan when knowing them, just as it's helpful to know what can be accessed on our wn and what we need to hire someone for. I happen to think it's great that the rivacy of the records is maintained, but that the information on my family is ade available to me using CCO for deaths and PAHRC for baptisms and marriages. --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Natalie Burrows <ndburrows@verizon.net> wrote: From: Natalie Burrows <ndburrows@verizon.net> ubject: Re: [PAPhl] Philadelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office o: paphilad@rootsweb.com ate: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 4:13 PM Laurie: was told that this was a prohibition for purely religious reasons, not ecause of any fee that could be charged for the information. As a on-Catholic, I respect that rationale. t is a totally different thing when family information has been co-opted or LDS repositories and is not available without membership and fees. atalie ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Laurie" <larzemail@yahoo.com> o: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> ent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:02 PM ubject: Re: [PAPhl] Philadelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office I've found Catholic records to be particularly helpful. However, the public is not allowed to view the records. There are two repositories, each that charges a fee, that are excellent resources: Philadelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office (CCO) is one. A fee of $15 is not new; it's actually been posted in some cemeteries for a few years now. However, not all cemeteries are strict about this, particularly if one is asking where a family is buried in person. CCO has friendly staff, and a phone call is the best way to reach them, though e-mail and postal mail are options as well. Philadelphia Archdiocesan Historical Research Center is the other. http://www.pahrc.net/ I paid $25 about a year ago, and I sent in detailed information listing the exact known dates of births and marriages. I received 3 generations' worth of documentation for that one fee. It helps to limit their time by doing work in advance. Death records are not available at PAHRC. For genealogical purposes, records of baptisms and marriages are the only events available here. General questions can be asked by calling or e-mailing them, but that shouldn't be necessary since they list holdings and churches they have records for. I highly recommend this for anyone with Catholic ancestors. I need to order more records, but budget reasons make it necessary to space out my requests--it's almost time for another set of records to be ordered :) For reasons I do not understand, but that may be due to what Natalie writes of below, it is becoming increasingly difficult to get information when visiting certain cemeteries. Additionally, photographs are becoming an issue: many people have been told they cannot take photos, and more than once people have been asked to leave when taking photographs. Philadelphia is a fascinating area to research, and there are so many repositories that are fairly easy to access (though admittedly it does take some money if you can't visit the city), but as with any area, the more work done in advance of approaching anyone at the above 2 repositories or any of the cemeteries that have offices the better the chances of getting the information sought. --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Natalie Burrows <ndburrows@verizon.net> wrote: Many years ago, I attended a genealogical conference in Philadelphia at which I learned that the Catholic Church had a prohibition against releasing any church records of a deceased Catholic. Not being Catholic myself, I did not know if this was true but a Catholic attendee assured me that she had run into this brick wall. With a widespread and growing interest in family genealogy, I am sure these rules have been relaxed or eliminated but some records may still be hard to find. 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> > It is a totally different thing when family information has been co-opted > for LDS repositories and is not available without membership and fees. There are never fees charged or memberships required to get any information from the LDS Library. If you've been charged, you need to report it to them and they will take action. They are very diligent about that issue. No, I am not LDS. Clare

Of course! New Cathedral was founded in 1868. It is beautifully kept, an oasis of beautiful green surrounded by the buildings of Philadelphia! AND the caretaker has a wonderful Irish brogue I could listen to all day long! Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: <girt@aol.com> To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Phildelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office > > Mary, > > Thank you for clarifying! I wholeheartedly agree about the staff at the > Archdiocese. They are wonderful. > > Isn't New Cathedral also an Archdiocesan Cemetery? Elaine was looking > for family there. > > Karen in PA > > > >

Laurie: I was told that this was a prohibition for purely religious reasons, not because of any fee that could be charged for the information. As a non-Catholic, I respect that rationale. It is a totally different thing when family information has been co-opted for LDS repositories and is not available without membership and fees. Natalie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurie" <larzemail@yahoo.com> To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Philadelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office > I've found Catholic records to be particularly helpful. However, the > public is not allowed to view the records. There are two repositories, > each that charges a fee, that are excellent resources: > > Philadelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office (CCO) is one. A fee of $15 is not > new; it's actually been posted in some cemeteries for a few years now. > However, not all cemeteries are strict about this, particularly if one is > asking where a family is buried in person. CCO has friendly staff, and a > phone call is the best way to reach them, though e-mail and postal mail > are options as well. > > Philadelphia Archdiocesan Historical Research Center is the other. > http://www.pahrc.net/ I paid $25 about a year ago, and I sent in detailed > information listing the exact known dates of births and marriages. I > received 3 generations' worth of documentation for that one fee. It helps > to limit their time by doing work in advance. Death records are not > available at PAHRC. For genealogical purposes, records of baptisms and > marriages are the only events available here. General questions can be > asked by calling or e-mailing them, but that shouldn't be necessary since > they list holdings and churches they have records for. I highly recommend > this for anyone with Catholic ancestors. I need to order more records, but > budget reasons make it necessary to space out my requests--it's almost > time for another set of records to be ordered :) > > For reasons I do not understand, but that may be due to what Natalie > writes of below, it is becoming increasingly difficult to get information > when visiting certain cemeteries. Additionally, photographs are becoming > an issue: many people have been told they cannot take photos, and more > than once people have been asked to leave when taking photographs. > Philadelphia is a fascinating area to research, and there are so many > repositories that are fairly easy to access (though admittedly it does > take some money if you can't visit the city), but as with any area, the > more work done in advance of approaching anyone at the above 2 > repositories or any of the cemeteries that have offices the better the > chances of getting the information sought. > > > --- On Wed, 5/12/10, Natalie Burrows <ndburrows@verizon.net> wrote: > Many years ago, I attended a genealogical conference in Philadelphia at > which I learned that the Catholic Church had a prohibition against > releasing > any church records of a deceased Catholic. Not being Catholic myself, I > did > not know if this was true but a Catholic attendee assured me that she had > run into this brick wall. With a widespread and growing interest in family > genealogy, I am sure these rules have been relaxed or eliminated but some > records may still be hard to find. > Natalie > ndburrows@verizon.net > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You need to know the (diocesan) cemetery and date of death or burial; they do not have records for parish cemeteries or for Catholics buried in non-Catholic cemeteries. If you know the section, range, and lot number within the (diocesan) cemetery, the lot profile is free. If you don't know the S,R,and L, there's a $15 fee for a search in the relevant cemetery records. Sorry, I was going to give you the website link for the CCO, but the site isn't responding, so must be temporarily down. Just Google "Philadelphia Catholic Cemeteries Office" and look for the links to the official site, on the Phila. Archdiocese website. I know the site used to have a request form on it, which would give you an idea of what other information is necessary. Claire K. On May 12, 2010, at 1:04 PM, drbrabbit@aol.com wrote: > ...I have a question about Philadelphia Catholic Cem. Office. Is one place that has a listing of most all Catholic deceased persons? ... > I have a number of deceased Catholic ancestors, three of whom I know death dates, but at least three others I cannot find any death dates. ...

Elaine, If New Cathedral gave you the section, range, and lot numbers -- and if the Catholic Cemeteries Office policy has not changed recently -- there is NO fee from the CCO to get the lot profiles. You only need to pay them the $15 if you DON'T know the section, range, and lot. They're usually very quick to respond, too. HTH Claire K seekay@comcast.net On May 12, 2010, at 12:10 PM, Elaine Sharp wrote: > As suggested, I called New Cathedral Cemetery today and they did give me the > Lot numbers (2 lots) for the Michael, Margaret McBride and daughter but he > said if I wanted any further information to send $15 per lot. ...