----- Original Message ----- From: "E Johnson" <iris.gates@gmail.com> To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [PAPhl] SIWILLIA Rothermel The name is Savilla --also Sibilla. This female given-name (and its variants) has been used in the Penna-Dutch (German) community for many years. The name of your subject was probably written as 'Siwilla' because the Penna-Dutch 'v' often becomes a 'w' sound. Supposedly this name comes from the Greek (from Sybill, meaning = prophetess). Not sure if there really is a translation of the name into English. A lot of names don't really translate, but sometimes people just choose a similar-sounding English name to use. HTH, Liz J On 21 May 2010 12:12, Jane Hamilton <rhamilton26@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > Has anyone heard of the given name "SIWILLA". If not English, then what > might it be translated to? I tried a > goggle translation. This name is from a will in 1803. > Thank you, Jane ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2888 - Release Date: 05/21/10 14:26:00
The name is Savilla --also Sibilla. This female given-name (and its variants) has been used in the Penna-Dutch (German) community for many years. The name of your subject was probably written as 'Siwilla' because the Penna-Dutch 'v' often becomes a 'w' sound. Supposedly this name comes from the Greek (from Sybill, meaning = prophetess). Not sure if there really is a translation of the name into English. A lot of names don't really translate, but sometimes people just choose a similar-sounding English name to use. HTH, Liz J On 21 May 2010 12:12, Jane Hamilton <rhamilton26@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > Has anyone heard of the given name "SIWILLA". If not English, then what might it be translated to? I tried a > goggle translation. This name is from a will in 1803. > Thank you, Jane
Has anyone heard of the given name "SIWILLA". If not English, then what might it be translated to? I tried a goggle translation. This name is from a will in 1803. Thank you, Jane
I did a search for SIWILLA and a whole lot of Russian stuff popped up. So my guess is Russian. Alexa Genealogy research since 1975 --- On Fri, 5/21/10, Jane Hamilton <rhamilton26@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: From: Jane Hamilton <rhamilton26@tampabay.rr.com> Subject: [PAPhl] SIWILLIA Rothermel To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 11:12 AM Has anyone heard of the given name "SIWILLA". If not English, then what might it be translated to? I tried a goggle translation. This name is from a will in 1803. Thank you, Jane ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello Jane, I have an Elizabeth Rothermel Eckert, Her Rothermel family (same variety of spellings) originated in Berks County, the Pottstown area. Maybe this will help. There is also a Rothermel Website and Society. You might try that avenue. Penny ----- Original Message ---- From: Jane Hamilton <rhamilton26@tampabay.rr.com> To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 10:33:01 AM Subject: [PAPhl] Rodearmel research Is anyone researching Wm. and Rachel Rodearmel. son: George Rodearmel b. 1852 Phila. Pa. Married: Emma Foxhill b. 1858 Phila. Pa. Grandchildren: William D. b. 1921 Pa. Lucile b. 1926 Pa. I have everything including 1920 census. Looking for the death of George Sr. and Emma 1920-1930. I've done GenWebArchives, Roots Web obiturary, Find a Grave, GenealogyBank.com and google newspapers. Variations: Rodearmel Rodermel Roadhisner Rodermal Rothermel Rodearnue Rodearnel Rodearniel Rodarmel Rothermal Rathermal Thank you, Jane ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Regina.... I finally found the 2nd Renum. and I'm now doubly.....no make that triple puzzled! Don't know what to make of this whole mess!! Those names do not sound at all familar to me. I do know the Neff families always had "hired people" living in their houses....cooks, washerwoman, housekeepers, etc. They were business people and didn't have time for mundane chores. When my mother was growing up on Germantown Avenue, she always have a full staff to "raise" her. I'll just keep ploding along and hopefully one day Eva will "speak" to me...... Barbara in Wilmington, NC ---- Regina Nau <reginanau@msn.com> wrote: > > I'm not convinced that 60 year old Fredericka is related. I located a death certificate for one of 40 year old Fredericka's children. His name was William Leyrer the son of John Leyrer and Frederica Keenley. Clearly the 2 Fredericka's are related but I don't see how they are related to Eva. > > > From: reginanau@msn.com > > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > > Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 09:37:21 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > > > > > I found the 60 year old Fredericka in the 1860 census and living with her is a 15 year old daughter Christina. No Eva. Still searching for this family in the 1850 cenus > > > > > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 09:00:18 -0400 > > > From: clabre1068@aol.com > > > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > > > > > > > > Barbara, > > > > > > In the 1870 census, who is the woman living with Michael & Eva Neff? Is it maybe her mother, who maybe remarried? Fredericka (wild guess on last name) Kussmle or Kufmle age 66. > > > > > > The Other Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Barbara McCormick <geneslady@ec.rr.com> > > > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > > > Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 2:45 pm > > > Subject: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > > > > > > > > My gg grandmother, Eva M. Fleischman, has been my biggest brickwall for many > > > years and I'm hoping this well-versed group from Philly can help. Eva M. > > > Fleischman was born 15 Dec 1843 in Philadelphia, Pa. (taken from death > > > certificate) and died 26 Oct 1923 in Philadelphia. She married Michael Neff in > > > 1865 (date taken from 1900 Census) and had 3 sons: Edward M. Neff (b. Apr 1866), > > > Albert F. Neff (b. Mar 1867), and William Neff (b. Mar 1868). I have found Eva > > > on every census after her marriage, but nothing before 1870. I would love to > > > find her parents and any siblings. The only clue I have (and maybe it's no help > > > at all) is from Michael's obit: Bayerischer Unters Verein , No 1, and Unders > > > Verein des D. S. S.Verein were invited to the funeral. Since my gg > > > grandparent's were in the grocery business, I thought maybe her family were > > > undertakers and out of courtesy were invited to Michael's funeral. > > > Any help (large or small) would be greatly appreciated.....as I'm ready to > > > start pulling my hair out!!!!!! > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Barbara > > > in Wilmington, NC > > > ********* > > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > > > ********* > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > > > the message > > > > > > > > > ********* > > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > > > ********* > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. > > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 > > ********* > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > > ********* > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I'm not convinced that 60 year old Fredericka is related. I located a death certificate for one of 40 year old Fredericka's children. His name was William Leyrer the son of John Leyrer and Frederica Keenley. Clearly the 2 Fredericka's are related but I don't see how they are related to Eva. > From: reginanau@msn.com > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 09:37:21 -0400 > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > > I found the 60 year old Fredericka in the 1860 census and living with her is a 15 year old daughter Christina. No Eva. Still searching for this family in the 1850 cenus > > > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > > Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 09:00:18 -0400 > > From: clabre1068@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > > > > > Barbara, > > > > In the 1870 census, who is the woman living with Michael & Eva Neff? Is it maybe her mother, who maybe remarried? Fredericka (wild guess on last name) Kussmle or Kufmle age 66. > > > > The Other Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Barbara McCormick <geneslady@ec.rr.com> > > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 2:45 pm > > Subject: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > > > > > My gg grandmother, Eva M. Fleischman, has been my biggest brickwall for many > > years and I'm hoping this well-versed group from Philly can help. Eva M. > > Fleischman was born 15 Dec 1843 in Philadelphia, Pa. (taken from death > > certificate) and died 26 Oct 1923 in Philadelphia. She married Michael Neff in > > 1865 (date taken from 1900 Census) and had 3 sons: Edward M. Neff (b. Apr 1866), > > Albert F. Neff (b. Mar 1867), and William Neff (b. Mar 1868). I have found Eva > > on every census after her marriage, but nothing before 1870. I would love to > > find her parents and any siblings. The only clue I have (and maybe it's no help > > at all) is from Michael's obit: Bayerischer Unters Verein , No 1, and Unders > > Verein des D. S. S.Verein were invited to the funeral. Since my gg > > grandparent's were in the grocery business, I thought maybe her family were > > undertakers and out of courtesy were invited to Michael's funeral. > > Any help (large or small) would be greatly appreciated.....as I'm ready to > > start pulling my hair out!!!!!! > > > > Thanks, > > Barbara > > in Wilmington, NC > > ********* > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > > ********* > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > > the message > > > > > > ********* > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > > ********* > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2
Look at the 2nd enumeration Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2010, at 12:01 PM, "Barbara McCormick" <geneslady@ec.rr.com> wrote: > Cheryl...... > I'm looking at the 1870 census now and there are only 4 people > listed in > Michael's household - Michael, Eva, Edward and Albert. Fredericka > Keenley > is living in the residence before my Neff's. > > Barbara > in Wilmington, NC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <clabre1068@aol.com> > To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 9:00 AM > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > >> >> Barbara, >> >> In the 1870 census, who is the woman living with Michael & Eva >> Neff? Is >> it maybe her mother, who maybe remarried? Fredericka (wild guess >> on last >> name) Kussmle or Kufmle age 66. >> >> The Other Cheryl >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Barbara McCormick <geneslady@ec.rr.com> >> To: paphilad@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 2:45 pm >> Subject: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 >> >> >> My gg grandmother, Eva M. Fleischman, has been my biggest brickwall >> for >> many >> years and I'm hoping this well-versed group from Philly can help. >> Eva M. >> Fleischman was born 15 Dec 1843 in Philadelphia, Pa. (taken from >> death >> certificate) and died 26 Oct 1923 in Philadelphia. She married >> Michael >> Neff in >> 1865 (date taken from 1900 Census) and had 3 sons: Edward M. Neff >> (b. Apr >> 1866), >> Albert F. Neff (b. Mar 1867), and William Neff (b. Mar 1868). I have >> found Eva >> on every census after her marriage, but nothing before 1870. I >> would love >> to >> find her parents and any siblings. The only clue I have (and maybe >> it's >> no help >> at all) is from Michael's obit: Bayerischer Unters Verein , No 1, >> and >> Unders >> Verein des D. S. S.Verein were invited to the funeral. Since my gg >> grandparent's were in the grocery business, I thought maybe her >> family >> were >> undertakers and out of courtesy were invited to Michael's funeral. >> Any help (large or small) would be greatly appreciated.....as I'm >> ready >> to >> start pulling my hair out!!!!!! >> >> Thanks, >> Barbara >> in Wilmington, NC >> ********* >> Visit the threaded archives of this list: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD >> ********* >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body >> of >> the message >> >> >> ********* >> Visit the threaded archives of this list: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD >> ********* >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >
Cheryl...... I'm looking at the 1870 census now and there are only 4 people listed in Michael's household - Michael, Eva, Edward and Albert. Fredericka Keenley is living in the residence before my Neff's. Barbara in Wilmington, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: <clabre1068@aol.com> To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > Barbara, > > In the 1870 census, who is the woman living with Michael & Eva Neff? Is > it maybe her mother, who maybe remarried? Fredericka (wild guess on last > name) Kussmle or Kufmle age 66. > > The Other Cheryl > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara McCormick <geneslady@ec.rr.com> > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 2:45 pm > Subject: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > > My gg grandmother, Eva M. Fleischman, has been my biggest brickwall for > many > years and I'm hoping this well-versed group from Philly can help. Eva M. > Fleischman was born 15 Dec 1843 in Philadelphia, Pa. (taken from death > certificate) and died 26 Oct 1923 in Philadelphia. She married Michael > Neff in > 1865 (date taken from 1900 Census) and had 3 sons: Edward M. Neff (b. Apr > 1866), > Albert F. Neff (b. Mar 1867), and William Neff (b. Mar 1868). I have > found Eva > on every census after her marriage, but nothing before 1870. I would love > to > find her parents and any siblings. The only clue I have (and maybe it's > no help > at all) is from Michael's obit: Bayerischer Unters Verein , No 1, and > Unders > Verein des D. S. S.Verein were invited to the funeral. Since my gg > grandparent's were in the grocery business, I thought maybe her family > were > undertakers and out of courtesy were invited to Michael's funeral. > Any help (large or small) would be greatly appreciated.....as I'm ready > to > start pulling my hair out!!!!!! > > Thanks, > Barbara > in Wilmington, NC > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I found the 60 year old Fredericka in the 1860 census and living with her is a 15 year old daughter Christina. No Eva. Still searching for this family in the 1850 cenus > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 09:00:18 -0400 > From: clabre1068@aol.com > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > > Barbara, > > In the 1870 census, who is the woman living with Michael & Eva Neff? Is it maybe her mother, who maybe remarried? Fredericka (wild guess on last name) Kussmle or Kufmle age 66. > > The Other Cheryl > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara McCormick <geneslady@ec.rr.com> > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 2:45 pm > Subject: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > > My gg grandmother, Eva M. Fleischman, has been my biggest brickwall for many > years and I'm hoping this well-versed group from Philly can help. Eva M. > Fleischman was born 15 Dec 1843 in Philadelphia, Pa. (taken from death > certificate) and died 26 Oct 1923 in Philadelphia. She married Michael Neff in > 1865 (date taken from 1900 Census) and had 3 sons: Edward M. Neff (b. Apr 1866), > Albert F. Neff (b. Mar 1867), and William Neff (b. Mar 1868). I have found Eva > on every census after her marriage, but nothing before 1870. I would love to > find her parents and any siblings. The only clue I have (and maybe it's no help > at all) is from Michael's obit: Bayerischer Unters Verein , No 1, and Unders > Verein des D. S. S.Verein were invited to the funeral. Since my gg > grandparent's were in the grocery business, I thought maybe her family were > undertakers and out of courtesy were invited to Michael's funeral. > Any help (large or small) would be greatly appreciated.....as I'm ready to > start pulling my hair out!!!!!! > > Thanks, > Barbara > in Wilmington, NC > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2
I think you could be on to something. On that same page there is another Fredericka, age 40 - could that be Eva's sister? When I checked the 1st Enum for this family, I fould that 66 year old Frederica is listed with the above Fredericka's family. The 66 year olds last name is spelled as KEENLEY. She was born in Wurtenberg. The 40 year old Frederica (last name indexed as Leyrer) was also listed as being born in Wurtenberg Regina > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 09:00:18 -0400 > From: clabre1068@aol.com > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > > Barbara, > > In the 1870 census, who is the woman living with Michael & Eva Neff? Is it maybe her mother, who maybe remarried? Fredericka (wild guess on last name) Kussmle or Kufmle age 66. > > The Other Cheryl > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara McCormick <geneslady@ec.rr.com> > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 2:45 pm > Subject: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > > My gg grandmother, Eva M. Fleischman, has been my biggest brickwall for many > years and I'm hoping this well-versed group from Philly can help. Eva M. > Fleischman was born 15 Dec 1843 in Philadelphia, Pa. (taken from death > certificate) and died 26 Oct 1923 in Philadelphia. She married Michael Neff in > 1865 (date taken from 1900 Census) and had 3 sons: Edward M. Neff (b. Apr 1866), > Albert F. Neff (b. Mar 1867), and William Neff (b. Mar 1868). I have found Eva > on every census after her marriage, but nothing before 1870. I would love to > find her parents and any siblings. The only clue I have (and maybe it's no help > at all) is from Michael's obit: Bayerischer Unters Verein , No 1, and Unders > Verein des D. S. S.Verein were invited to the funeral. Since my gg > grandparent's were in the grocery business, I thought maybe her family were > undertakers and out of courtesy were invited to Michael's funeral. > Any help (large or small) would be greatly appreciated.....as I'm ready to > start pulling my hair out!!!!!! > > Thanks, > Barbara > in Wilmington, NC > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1
Barbara, In the 1870 census, who is the woman living with Michael & Eva Neff? Is it maybe her mother, who maybe remarried? Fredericka (wild guess on last name) Kussmle or Kufmle age 66. The Other Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: Barbara McCormick <geneslady@ec.rr.com> To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, May 18, 2010 2:45 pm Subject: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 My gg grandmother, Eva M. Fleischman, has been my biggest brickwall for many years and I'm hoping this well-versed group from Philly can help. Eva M. Fleischman was born 15 Dec 1843 in Philadelphia, Pa. (taken from death certificate) and died 26 Oct 1923 in Philadelphia. She married Michael Neff in 1865 (date taken from 1900 Census) and had 3 sons: Edward M. Neff (b. Apr 1866), Albert F. Neff (b. Mar 1867), and William Neff (b. Mar 1868). I have found Eva on every census after her marriage, but nothing before 1870. I would love to find her parents and any siblings. The only clue I have (and maybe it's no help at all) is from Michael's obit: Bayerischer Unters Verein , No 1, and Unders Verein des D. S. S.Verein were invited to the funeral. Since my gg grandparent's were in the grocery business, I thought maybe her family were undertakers and out of courtesy were invited to Michael's funeral. Any help (large or small) would be greatly appreciated.....as I'm ready to start pulling my hair out!!!!!! Thanks, Barbara in Wilmington, NC ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I too was wondering at this. Also, Barbara, I see you use the census for the marriage date and her death record for her birth date and place. The marriage record may be of help, and also the births of her sons if her maiden name was provided. The thing I'm wondering is if Eva either married before marrying Michael Neff, or if she used her middle name rather than Eva before her marriage. --- On Thu, 5/20/10, clabre1068@aol.com <clabre1068@aol.com> wrote: In the 1870 census, who is the woman living with Michael & Eva Neff? Is it maybe her mother, who maybe remarried? Fredericka (wild guess on last name) Kussmle or Kufmle age 66. The Other Cheryl -----Original Message----- From: Barbara McCormick <geneslady@ec.rr.com> Eva M. Fleischman was born 15 Dec 1843 in Philadelphia, Pa. (taken from death certificate) and died 26 Oct 1923 in Philadelphia. She married Michael Neff in 1865 (date taken from 1900 Census) and had 3 sons: Edward M. Neff (b. Apr 1866), Albert F. Neff (b. Mar 1867), and William Neff (b. Mar 1868).
Barbara, I don't really have any information on Eva Fleischman but am wondering why the connection to undertakers. Unter does mean under but that could refer to something else as well. Possibly an address. Apparently her parents were German so maybe try to find when they emigrated. Families usually traveled together so maybe they are on a ship's manifest. Find the possibilities and then follow them. Don't assume the ship is listed under Germany either. Many came through England. You might also look for Michael Neff. If he came over about the same time there may be clues there. Very tiny clues but if you can't find someone where you think they should be - look somewhere else. You have chosen a hard one but don't be discouraged. They are definitely out there somewhere. Good luck Diane Adams Barbara McCormick <geneslady@ec.rr.com> wrote: From: Barbara McCormick <geneslady@ec.rr.com> Subject: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 12:45 PM My gg grandmother, Eva M. Fleischman, has been my biggest brickwall for many years and I'm hoping this well-versed group from Philly can help. Eva M. Fleischman was born 15 Dec 1843 in Philadelphia, Pa. (taken from death certificate) and died 26 Oct 1923 in Philadelphia. She married Michael Neff in 1865 (date taken from 1900 Census) and had 3 sons: Edward M. Neff (b. Apr 1866), Albert F. Neff (b. Mar 1867), and William Neff (b. Mar 1868). I have found Eva on every census after her marriage, but nothing before 1870. I would love to find her parents and any siblings. The only clue I have (and maybe it's no help at all) is from Michael's obit: Bayerischer Unters Verein , No 1, and Unders Verein des D. S. S.Verein were invited to the funeral. Since my gg grandparent's were in the grocery business, I thought maybe her family were undertakers and out of courtesy were invited to Michael's funeral. Any help (large or small) would be greatly appreciated.....as I'm ready to start pulling my hair out!!!!!! Thanks, Barbara in Wilmington, NC ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Excuse me: Thank you Sue! Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol , caffeine, sugar and fat. -- Alex Levine > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:13:15 -0700 > From: sfacciol@yahoo.com > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > Gene, you crack me up. Is there ANYTHING you don't know about Philadelphia and its history. All I can imagine is a Three Hundred year old man, much like a sage, sitting in the lotus position spilling out words of knowledge. There is no long period of time before you respond with your answers, they're right there on the tip of your tongue. > > Please, all knowing, never stop. > > Sue F. > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, Eugene Stackhouse <genestackhouse@msn.com> wrote: > > > From: Eugene Stackhouse <genestackhouse@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 5:48 PM > > > > It was not a funeral director or undertaker association. > > It was a burial association, sort of an insurance association. The members paid dues to the society so that when they died there would be a money for them to be buried. This was before the concept of "life" insurance. > > Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > > > > From: geneslady@ec.rr.com > > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 16:11:52 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > > > Jane..... > > I don't understand why he would belong to those organizations (funeral > > directors) when he was a grocer. Just doesn't make sense to me. > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Well, thank you Eva. I am sure that there is something that I don't know about Philadelphia history. When I find it, I'll let you know. I really can't sit in the lotus position anymore, though, my old joints can't take it. Commercial: If anyone is in the neighborhood of Ivy Hill Cemetery on Saturday about 2PM, I'll be giving a short talk about General Louis Wagner at a marker dedicationat his grave site. Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 07:13:15 -0700 > From: sfacciol@yahoo.com > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > Gene, you crack me up. Is there ANYTHING you don't know about Philadelphia and its history. All I can imagine is a Three Hundred year old man, much like a sage, sitting in the lotus position spilling out words of knowledge. There is no long period of time before you respond with your answers, they're right there on the tip of your tongue. > > Please, all knowing, never stop. > > Sue F. > > --- On Tue, 5/18/10, Eugene Stackhouse <genestackhouse@msn.com> wrote: > > > From: Eugene Stackhouse <genestackhouse@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 5:48 PM > > > > It was not a funeral director or undertaker association. > > It was a burial association, sort of an insurance association. The members paid dues to the society so that when they died there would be a money for them to be buried. This was before the concept of "life" insurance. > > Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > > > > From: geneslady@ec.rr.com > > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 16:11:52 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > > > Jane..... > > I don't understand why he would belong to those organizations (funeral > > directors) when he was a grocer. Just doesn't make sense to me.
Gene, you crack me up. Is there ANYTHING you don't know about Philadelphia and its history. All I can imagine is a Three Hundred year old man, much like a sage, sitting in the lotus position spilling out words of knowledge. There is no long period of time before you respond with your answers, they're right there on the tip of your tongue. Please, all knowing, never stop. Sue F. --- On Tue, 5/18/10, Eugene Stackhouse <genestackhouse@msn.com> wrote: From: Eugene Stackhouse <genestackhouse@msn.com> Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 5:48 PM It was not a funeral director or undertaker association. It was a burial association, sort of an insurance association. The members paid dues to the society so that when they died there would be a money for them to be buried. This was before the concept of "life" insurance. Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > From: geneslady@ec.rr.com > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 16:11:52 -0400 > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > Jane..... > I don't understand why he would belong to those organizations (funeral > directors) when he was a grocer. Just doesn't make sense to me. > ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
That census report is all wrong.... Michael was born 3 Dec 1844 Eva was born 15 Dec 1843 Edward was born Apr 1866 Albert was born Mar 1867 William was born Mar 1868 Albert was born 21 Aug 1891 (my grandfather) William was born 25 Feb 1889 Barbara ---- Regina Nau <reginanau@msn.com> wrote: > > I need to have some clarification here: > > > > I found Michael Neff in the 1900 census. His wife's name is not listed. Their children are listed as Edward, Albert and William with two grandchildren listed as Albert and William. They are living in the 19th ward Dist 387 - is this your Michael Neff. If so he is listed as being born in May of 1860 and the wife Jan of 1860 > > > > Please tell me if this is your family? > > > > > > From: geneslady@ec.rr.com > > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 14:45:03 -0400 > > Subject: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > > > My gg grandmother, Eva M. Fleischman, has been my biggest brickwall for many years and I'm hoping this well-versed group from Philly can help. Eva M. Fleischman was born 15 Dec 1843 in Philadelphia, Pa. (taken from death certificate) and died 26 Oct 1923 in Philadelphia. She married Michael Neff in 1865 (date taken from 1900 Census) and had 3 sons: Edward M. Neff (b. Apr 1866), Albert F. Neff (b. Mar 1867), and William Neff (b. Mar 1868). I have found Eva on every census after her marriage, but nothing before 1870. I would love to find her parents and any siblings. The only clue I have (and maybe it's no help at all) is from Michael's obit: Bayerischer Unters Verein , No 1, and Unders Verein des D. S. S.Verein were invited to the funeral. Since my gg grandparent's were in the grocery business, I thought maybe her family were undertakers and out of courtesy were invited to Michael's funeral. > > Any help (large or small) would be greatly appreciated.....as I'm ready to start pulling my hair out!!!!!! > > > > Thanks, > > Barbara > > in Wilmington, NC > > ********* > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > > ********* > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Her husband's obit has her listed as Eva Neff (nee Fleischman). Barbara in Wilmington, NC ---- Regina Nau <reginanau@msn.com> wrote: > > How do you know her maiden name is fleischman? > > > From: geneslady@ec.rr.com > > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 14:45:03 -0400 > > Subject: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > > > My gg grandmother, Eva M. Fleischman, has been my biggest brickwall for many years and I'm hoping this well-versed group from Philly can help. Eva M. Fleischman was born 15 Dec 1843 in Philadelphia, Pa. (taken from death certificate) and died 26 Oct 1923 in Philadelphia. She married Michael Neff in 1865 (date taken from 1900 Census) and had 3 sons: Edward M. Neff (b. Apr 1866), Albert F. Neff (b. Mar 1867), and William Neff (b. Mar 1868). I have found Eva on every census after her marriage, but nothing before 1870. I would love to find her parents and any siblings. The only clue I have (and maybe it's no help at all) is from Michael's obit: Bayerischer Unters Verein , No 1, and Unders Verein des D. S. S.Verein were invited to the funeral. Since my gg grandparent's were in the grocery business, I thought maybe her family were undertakers and out of courtesy were invited to Michael's funeral. > > Any help (large or small) would be greatly appreciated.....as I'm ready to start pulling my hair out!!!!!! > > > > Thanks, > > Barbara > > in Wilmington, NC > > ********* > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > > ********* > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
How do you know her maiden name is fleischman? > From: geneslady@ec.rr.com > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 14:45:03 -0400 > Subject: [PAPhl] Eva M. Fleischman, b. 1843 > > My gg grandmother, Eva M. Fleischman, has been my biggest brickwall for many years and I'm hoping this well-versed group from Philly can help. Eva M. Fleischman was born 15 Dec 1843 in Philadelphia, Pa. (taken from death certificate) and died 26 Oct 1923 in Philadelphia. She married Michael Neff in 1865 (date taken from 1900 Census) and had 3 sons: Edward M. Neff (b. Apr 1866), Albert F. Neff (b. Mar 1867), and William Neff (b. Mar 1868). I have found Eva on every census after her marriage, but nothing before 1870. I would love to find her parents and any siblings. The only clue I have (and maybe it's no help at all) is from Michael's obit: Bayerischer Unters Verein , No 1, and Unders Verein des D. S. S.Verein were invited to the funeral. Since my gg grandparent's were in the grocery business, I thought maybe her family were undertakers and out of courtesy were invited to Michael's funeral. > Any help (large or small) would be greatly appreciated.....as I'm ready to start pulling my hair out!!!!!! > > Thanks, > Barbara > in Wilmington, NC > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5