How about this guy as a possibility http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=recordimage&c=fs:1320976&r=r_65583347&pn=p1 > Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 05:01:19 +0000 > From: bellemarco@gmail.com > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAPhl] Phillip Kline/Cline/Klein - Brick Wall > > This is our brick wall in Philadelphia research - Phillip Kline b. 1718 in > Berks County. I have researched him a couple of years ago without much > success. I have him in 1850 census with his family and quite a few > directories between 1847 and 1958 in Philadelphia. His first son was born > in Hamburg, Berks County in 1839. The latest Phila. directory I have him in > is: > > 1858 DIRECTORY Philip Kline 334 N. 15th lab. > 1858/1859 PHILIP DIED- but I have been unable to find his death record. > 1859 DIRECTORY Catherine at 524 3rd St., > 1860 DIRECTORY Catherine wid of Philip 1731 Carlton > > I am trying to find the death record for Philip Kline. Any new ideas? > > Elaine > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1

what did he do for a living? > Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 05:01:19 +0000 > From: bellemarco@gmail.com > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAPhl] Phillip Kline/Cline/Klein - Brick Wall > > This is our brick wall in Philadelphia research - Phillip Kline b. 1718 in > Berks County. I have researched him a couple of years ago without much > success. I have him in 1850 census with his family and quite a few > directories between 1847 and 1958 in Philadelphia. His first son was born > in Hamburg, Berks County in 1839. The latest Phila. directory I have him in > is: > > 1858 DIRECTORY Philip Kline 334 N. 15th lab. > 1858/1859 PHILIP DIED- but I have been unable to find his death record. > 1859 DIRECTORY Catherine at 524 3rd St., > 1860 DIRECTORY Catherine wid of Philip 1731 Carlton > > I am trying to find the death record for Philip Kline. Any new ideas? > > Elaine > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3

This is our brick wall in Philadelphia research - Phillip Kline b. 1718 in Berks County. I have researched him a couple of years ago without much success. I have him in 1850 census with his family and quite a few directories between 1847 and 1958 in Philadelphia. His first son was born in Hamburg, Berks County in 1839. The latest Phila. directory I have him in is: 1858 DIRECTORY Philip Kline 334 N. 15th lab. 1858/1859 PHILIP DIED- but I have been unable to find his death record. 1859 DIRECTORY Catherine at 524 3rd St., 1860 DIRECTORY Catherine wid of Philip 1731 Carlton I am trying to find the death record for Philip Kline. Any new ideas? Elaine

Regina, 1850 census says he was a "clerk" and all directories say "lab." The one you sent is a possibility, however, our Phillip was born in Berks County, PA and this one says Ireland. I could order the death record but hesitate because of that. A family history recently given to me by a family member says that his "family was by trade butchers" but I don't know how accurate that is. Phillip remained in the Berks County area at least until 1840 as he is in the census there and I first find them in Philadelphia in the 1850 census. Elaine

Marriage records at the Phila City Archives (at 3101 Market St) cover the period between July 1, 1860 and December 30, 1885. The marriage index is contained in a series of big old books that are fairly easy to use but only contains name, year of marriage, and the page number in the registry where more information can be found. From there, the registry can be searched on microfilm but these are usually very difficult to read. Registry provides name of bride and groom, full date of marriage, the location of their residence, where born, occupation, age, religious affiliation, location of marriage, and name of minister. If you want to research further, then one can look at the minister's returns again on microfilm. Found my gr-gr grandparents, who were married at St Vincent's in Germantown in 1864, in this archive recently. For more info, go here: http://www.phila.gov/phils/Docs/Inventor/genealgy.htm - Bob -----Original Message----- From: Eugene Stackhouse <genestackhouse@msn.com> To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2010 3:14 pm Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question I believe that Philadelphia records begin 1885 at the city archives. I could find no governmental records for my great-grandparents who were married in Philadelphia before the 1870s. Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > From: Stephie21@charter.net > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 08:56:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question > > Thank you for the reply. I was hoping to locate a county record that would > give more information than the church record that gives only the date. Were > there no county licenses issued or were they destroyed.... do you know? I > have been able to locate marriage licenses in other states during that time > that listed consent of father, etc. I was hoping I would get that lucky > with the Philly records. Thank you. SM > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Eugene Stackhouse > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question > > > > Marriage records for those early dates are church records. Try the > Historical Society of Pennsylvania. > > Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > > > > From: Stephie21@charter.net > > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 08:18:33 -0700 > > Subject: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question > > > > Good Morning, > > It has been several years since I have researched Philadelphia records; > > can > > someone tell me if there were county records for marriage bonds, licenses, > > etc. for the period 1770-1800? I have the church records with dates but > > was > > hoping to find a bond that might give a clue to parents. What records are > > available for the 1700s? > > Does anyone on this list have access to the book "Philadelphia > > Naturalization Records" by P. William Filby? I would greatly appreciate a > > lookup for George McClasky pre 1800. > > Thank you for your help. > > Stephanie in Oregon > > > > ********* > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > > ********* > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2917 - Release Date: 06/04/10 > 06:25:00 > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe that Philadelphia records begin 1885 at the city archives. I could find no governmental records for my great-grandparents who were married in Philadelphia before the 1870s. Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > From: Stephie21@charter.net > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 08:56:31 -0700 > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question > > Thank you for the reply. I was hoping to locate a county record that would > give more information than the church record that gives only the date. Were > there no county licenses issued or were they destroyed.... do you know? I > have been able to locate marriage licenses in other states during that time > that listed consent of father, etc. I was hoping I would get that lucky > with the Philly records. Thank you. SM > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Eugene Stackhouse > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question > > > > Marriage records for those early dates are church records. Try the > Historical Society of Pennsylvania. > > Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > > > > From: Stephie21@charter.net > > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > > Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 08:18:33 -0700 > > Subject: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question > > > > Good Morning, > > It has been several years since I have researched Philadelphia records; > > can > > someone tell me if there were county records for marriage bonds, licenses, > > etc. for the period 1770-1800? I have the church records with dates but > > was > > hoping to find a bond that might give a clue to parents. What records are > > available for the 1700s? > > Does anyone on this list have access to the book "Philadelphia > > Naturalization Records" by P. William Filby? I would greatly appreciate a > > lookup for George McClasky pre 1800. > > Thank you for your help. > > Stephanie in Oregon > > > > ********* > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > > ********* > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2917 - Release Date: 06/04/10 > 06:25:00 > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Philadelphia City Archives has marriage licenses from 1885. Sndtenterprises Genealogical and Historical Research

The oldest marriage record available at the Philadelphia City Archives is 1860. I have located some marriages going back that far, but the further back in time, the harder they are to find. Pre-1860 would most likely be found in church records and/or newspaper announcements. The link for the archives with more details is: http://www.phila.gov/phils/Docs/Inventor/genealgy.htm#marriages

Marriage records for those early dates are church records. Try the Historical Society of Pennsylvania. Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > From: Stephie21@charter.net > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 08:18:33 -0700 > Subject: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question > > Good Morning, > It has been several years since I have researched Philadelphia records; can > someone tell me if there were county records for marriage bonds, licenses, > etc. for the period 1770-1800? I have the church records with dates but was > hoping to find a bond that might give a clue to parents. What records are > available for the 1700s? > Does anyone on this list have access to the book "Philadelphia > Naturalization Records" by P. William Filby? I would greatly appreciate a > lookup for George McClasky pre 1800. > Thank you for your help. > Stephanie in Oregon > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for the reply. I was hoping to locate a county record that would give more information than the church record that gives only the date. Were there no county licenses issued or were they destroyed.... do you know? I have been able to locate marriage licenses in other states during that time that listed consent of father, etc. I was hoping I would get that lucky with the Philly records. Thank you. SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Eugene Stackhouse To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question Marriage records for those early dates are church records. Try the Historical Society of Pennsylvania. Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > From: Stephie21@charter.net > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 08:18:33 -0700 > Subject: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question > > Good Morning, > It has been several years since I have researched Philadelphia records; > can > someone tell me if there were county records for marriage bonds, licenses, > etc. for the period 1770-1800? I have the church records with dates but > was > hoping to find a bond that might give a clue to parents. What records are > available for the 1700s? > Does anyone on this list have access to the book "Philadelphia > Naturalization Records" by P. William Filby? I would greatly appreciate a > lookup for George McClasky pre 1800. > Thank you for your help. > Stephanie in Oregon > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2917 - Release Date: 06/04/10 06:25:00

Good Morning, It has been several years since I have researched Philadelphia records; can someone tell me if there were county records for marriage bonds, licenses, etc. for the period 1770-1800? I have the church records with dates but was hoping to find a bond that might give a clue to parents. What records are available for the 1700s? Does anyone on this list have access to the book "Philadelphia Naturalization Records" by P. William Filby? I would greatly appreciate a lookup for George McClasky pre 1800. Thank you for your help. Stephanie in Oregon

Thank you one and all for the Holy Cross cemetery information. They have an extensive list of burials online but he is not one of the Kennedy's listed so I shall call them and see what transpires. http://www.interment.net/data/us/pa/delaware/holycross/index.htm Elaine

Elaine, It is highly likely that your ancestor is buried at Holy Cross; as someone else mentioned, folks who lived in Philadelphia were frequently buried there. I suggest you call Holy Cross for info; the two ladies who work there are wonderful and go out of their way to be helpful. 215-476-3656 Mary Ann Villanova Pa -------------------------------------------------- From: ""E" Sharp" <bellemarco@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 2:11 PM To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> Subject: [PAPhl] Holy Cross Cemetery Philadelphia > I am trying to locate the grave of John Kennedy who died 12/26/1896 > and his obit says he is buried at Holy Cross Cemetery. He lived at > 1530 Wood Street when he died. Can someone please tell me where this > cemetery is located. I checked findagrave and Interment but I don't > think the Holy Cross they have listed is the right one. Can someone > please enlighten me so I might write for his records. I am trying to > find who else might be buried with him...like his wife....and > children.

Holy Cross cemetary is located in Yeadon, Pa. Delaware County. Yeadon is very close to Philadelphia and it was and is common for burials of people from Phila. to be buried in Holy Cross Phil Dreger On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:11 PM, "E" Sharp <bellemarco@gmail.com> wrote: > I am trying to locate the grave of John Kennedy who died 12/26/1896 > and his obit says he is buried at Holy Cross Cemetery. He lived at > 1530 Wood Street when he died. Can someone please tell me where this > cemetery is located. I checked findagrave and Interment but I don't > think the Holy Cross they have listed is the right one. Can someone > please enlighten me so I might write for his records. I am trying to > find who else might be buried with him...like his wife....and > children. > > Thank you. > Elaine > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Holy Cross is in Yeadon, Delaware County. Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:11:12 -0700 > From: bellemarco@gmail.com > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAPhl] Holy Cross Cemetery Philadelphia > > I am trying to locate the grave of John Kennedy who died 12/26/1896 > and his obit says he is buried at Holy Cross Cemetery. He lived at > 1530 Wood Street when he died. Can someone please tell me where this > cemetery is located. I checked findagrave and Interment but I don't > think the Holy Cross they have listed is the right one. Can someone > please enlighten me so I might write for his records. I am trying to > find who else might be buried with him...like his wife....and > children. > > Thank you. > Elaine > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to locate the grave of John Kennedy who died 12/26/1896 and his obit says he is buried at Holy Cross Cemetery. He lived at 1530 Wood Street when he died. Can someone please tell me where this cemetery is located. I checked findagrave and Interment but I don't think the Holy Cross they have listed is the right one. Can someone please enlighten me so I might write for his records. I am trying to find who else might be buried with him...like his wife....and children. Thank you. Elaine

I've "rescued" an old photograph of Carrie CROSDALE which was taken at the B. F. Reimer Studio in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The photograph appears to have been taken in the 1870's or 1880's with Carrie likely in her 20's at the time it was taken. In addition to her name, someone has written "wife of Ed KNIGHT" on the back of the photograph. I am hoping to locate someone from Carrie's family so that the photograph can be returned to its rightful place, with family. If you are a member of this CROSDALE family, or you know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley

Widows were listed, married women were not unless they had an occupation or business. Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:09:58 -0700 > From: livinginthepastlane@yahoo.com > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] 1897-98 Philadelphia Directories > > It's been my experience that some women sans occupation or business have been listed in city directories. It may be that they were newly widowed or had sons who were near adulthood, but I have found a few missing Misses in city directories. > > Relatively speaking, > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Eugene Stackhouse <genestackhouse@msn.com> > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 7:04:04 PM > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] 1897-98 Philadelphia Directories > > > Married women who had no occupation nor a business were not listed in the city directories. > > Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > > > > > > > > > > > From: seekay@comcast.net > > Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 18:39:55 -0400 > > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] 1897-98 Philadelphia Directories > > > > "House keeper" or "keeps house" is commonly used for married women in the census and other records. Similar usage to what we more recently would have called "homemaker." Sorry, I don't have the earlier posts in this thread to check, but thought I'd mention this in case she was married, in the hopes it would save you from trying to chase down a family for whom she worked. Just keep in mind that the term might just signify her marital status. > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > Claire K > > seekay@comcast.net > > > > > > > > On May 28, 2010, at 3:57 PM, bellemarco@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > ...Annie Leary... On Phila. death record, she is listed as housekkeeper so she > > > must have been the housekkeeper for this family..... > > > > > > > > ********* > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > > ********* > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Laura > > Searching for my Schmitt ancestors and their descendants in Lorriane France, Ohio, and Illinois > http://livinginthepastlane.com and a volunteer for RAOGK at http://www.raogk.org/ > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Married women who had no occupation nor a business were not listed in the city directories. Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > From: seekay@comcast.net > Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 18:39:55 -0400 > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] 1897-98 Philadelphia Directories > > "House keeper" or "keeps house" is commonly used for married women in the census and other records. Similar usage to what we more recently would have called "homemaker." Sorry, I don't have the earlier posts in this thread to check, but thought I'd mention this in case she was married, in the hopes it would save you from trying to chase down a family for whom she worked. Just keep in mind that the term might just signify her marital status. > > Hope that helps. > > Claire K > seekay@comcast.net > > > > On May 28, 2010, at 3:57 PM, bellemarco@gmail.com wrote: > > > ...Annie Leary... On Phila. death record, she is listed as housekkeeper so she > > must have been the housekkeeper for this family..... > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dave, There is no St. Victoria Catholic Church in the Archdiocese of Philadelphia. 841 S. Cecil St. would have been Transfiguration of Our Lord Parish, now closed. The records are held at St. Cyprian (former St. Carthage and Transfiguration combined). Location, Cobbs Creek Pkwy. at Cedar Ave. 19143. Phone-215-747-3250. I wonder what church you contacted. The closest I can think of is Our Lady of Victory, but that is at 54th and Vine and your Cecil St. address is definitely not within that church's boundaries. Tell me your mother's name. Maybe I can help. Regards, Mary McCanney Finley ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Stroebel" <davidstroebel@yahoo.com> To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:10 AM Subject: [PAPhl] Catholic Church near St. Victoria's RC Church? > Hello, > > I am trying to locate the church my mother was baptised in. She lived at > 841 South Cecil St. I contacted St. Victoria's, but they said they did not > have her record. She would have been baptised in early 1929. > > Thanks, > > Dave > > > > > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >