I've "rescued" an old photograph of Raymond CROSSON which was taken at the Sullivan Studio in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The photograph appears to have been taken in the 1890's with Raymond likely in his 20's at the time. He appears to be dressed in a uniform of some type, maybe a conductors hat of some kind, cannot read what it says on the front of the hat. I am hoping to locate someone from this CROSSON Family so that this wonderful old photograph can be returned to the care of Raymond's family. If you are a member of this family, or you know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley

I've "rescued" a group of photographs belonging to the CARUTHERS Family of Pennsylvania. Based on limited research I was able to gather some information regarding the family and have included it along with the details of the photographs below: 1 - Eugene CARUTHERS, taken at the Chandler & Scheetz Studio in Philadelphia, PA, 1880's, boy 2-3 years old 2 - Eugene W. CARUTHERS, taken at the John W. Hubbey Studio in Lancaster, PA, 1880's, boy about 1 year old Eugene Witmer Caruthers was b. 8 Dec 1880 in Paradise Township, PA to parents Thomas Fillmore CARUTHERS (b. 29 Jul 1848 in Penningtonville, PA) and Leah Dale WITMER (b. 1850 in Paradise Township, PA). In addition to Eugene the couple had another son, Frank D. CARUTHERS b . Jan 1892 in PA. Eugene married Mary T. BUCHER and together they had three children including, Herbert F.; Edward G.; and Mary G. CARUTHERS. Eugene Caruthers died in Jan 1972 in Delaware Co. PA. Census records provide the following information: 1900 census of Philadelphia, PA: T. F. CARUTHERS, age 49, born Aug 1850, married 20 years, born PA, parents born PA Leah CARUTHERS, wife, age 48, born Aug 1851, married 20 years, 2 children/2 living, born PA, parents born PA Eugene W. CARUTHERS, son, age 18, born Dec 1881, born PA, an Office Clerk Frank D. CARUTHERS, son, age 8, born Jan 1892, born PA 1910 census of Philadelphia, PA: Eugene W. CARUTHERS, age 29, born PA, parents born PA, a Civil Engineering Draftsman Leah D. CARUTHERS, Mother, age 48, a widow, 2 children/2 living, born PA, parents born PA Frank D. CARUTHERS, brother, age 19, born PA, parents born PA 3 - Jennie CARUTHERS, taken at the Kuebler Studio in Philadelphia, PA, 1880's, woman in her 20's or 30's, note "to Kattie" 4 - Annie P. CARUTHERS, taken at the Kuebler Studio in Philadelphia, PA, 1880's or 1890's, woman in her 30's, note "Mrs. A. P. WITMER from" Annie Pennington CARUTHERS was b. 18 Apr 1859 in Sadsbury Township, PA to parents Jason D. CARUTHERS (b. 10 Dec 1816 in Doe Run, PA) and Sarah E. PENNINGTON (b. 5 May 1822 in Columbia, PA). I am hoping to be able to return these photographs to a member of this CARUTHERS Family. If you are a member of this family, or you know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley

Presbyterian. See first entry in this table. http://usgwarchives.net/pa/franklin/church.htm Two Irish-born brothers (WRAYs)appear to have immigrated more or less directly to the Chambersburg area [along with a number of other Irish]. They eventually came to Philadelphia, made a lot of money in business, must have had a fight because they split up their stores. One died intestate so I never could determine why his side of the family didn't seem to fare as well as his brother's. jo Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:46:32 -0400 From: "Mary Finley" <marmfin@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <329E43F1473E4ABFAA724FE080B6B139@MaryPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Just curious Jo....what denomination? Mary Finley

Well there was a Cooper River in New Jersey, just on the other side opposite Philadelphia. I think it was probably named after a family that settled there. Not sure when the river acquired that name, but surely not before about 1680. Your entry seems to indicate "the Jerseys" (maybe) which is what the state of NJ was --West and East Jersey --for a while. You could try a keyword search in the archives of the NJ list: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search Or try posting to there: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/NJ/misc.html#NJ Good luck, Liz J On 7 June 2010 15:05, <PardeeGal@aol.com> wrote: > Dear List: > > I found the marriage record of my 5th great GF, 6 May 1652, which I had > known, however, there was an additional item: "Location- Couper or Conyers > Jerseys". Does anyone have a clue as to the meaning of this?? > > Hopefully, > > Carol > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List: I found the marriage record of my 5th great GF, 6 May 1652, which I had known, however, there was an additional item: "Location- Couper or Conyers Jerseys". Does anyone have a clue as to the meaning of this?? Hopefully, Carol

Thanks Elizabeth. No connection for me, but it's always nice to know! Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Cunningham" <drybones@netreach.net> To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question >I wrote to a minister married to a former roommate about records, and he > said they did indeed keep 2 sets of records - one was the minister's > records of his work, that went with the minister, and one was the > church's. This was the Reformed Church (formerly German Reformed) which > became the Evangelical and Reforned Church I grew up in, and later > became part of the United Church of Christ. > > Elizabeth C > > Mary Finley wrote: >> Just curious Jo....what denomination? >> Mary Finley >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "J SCHWARTZ"<phillysleuth@verizon.net> >> To:<paphilad@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question >> >> >> >>> I've occasionally found that a particular minister kept his own lists of >>> marriages, (eg Rev David Denny in Chambersburg, Pa, 1801-1844), but it >>> was >>> a very lucky find. >>> >>> jo >>> >> > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I wrote to a minister married to a former roommate about records, and he said they did indeed keep 2 sets of records - one was the minister's records of his work, that went with the minister, and one was the church's. This was the Reformed Church (formerly German Reformed) which became the Evangelical and Reforned Church I grew up in, and later became part of the United Church of Christ. Elizabeth C Mary Finley wrote: > Just curious Jo....what denomination? > Mary Finley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J SCHWARTZ"<phillysleuth@verizon.net> > To:<paphilad@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:12 PM > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question > > > >> I've occasionally found that a particular minister kept his own lists of >> marriages, (eg Rev David Denny in Chambersburg, Pa, 1801-1844), but it was >> a very lucky find. >> >> jo >> >

Located an obit for a Philip Kline in Public Ledger March 19, 1858. address N 15th st. Burial in Hamburg,Pa. Sent notice to requester. Jane

Hi Elaine First of all, are you saying that Philip Kline b. 1718 d 1858? This seems highly unlikely: he would have been 140 years old. If you would like help from the group, additional clarification would help, including information on his spouse and your sources. Second of all, just because he is no longer listed as a head of household, I wouldn't assume he was dead. I have several ancestors who spent their last days in an alms house, veterans home, or home run by their religious affiliation. Their spouse was the head of household long before their death. Carol Message: 8 Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 05:01:19 +0000 From: bellemarco@gmail.com Subject: [PAPhl] Phillip Kline/Cline/Klein - Brick Wall This is our brick wall in Philadelphia research - Phillip Kline b. 1718 in Berks County. I have researched him a couple of years ago without much success. I have him in 1850 census with his family and quite a few directories between 1847 and 1958 in Philadelphia. His first son was born in Hamburg, Berks County in 1839. The latest Phila. directory I have him in is: 1858 DIRECTORY Philip Kline 334 N. 15th lab. 1858/1859 PHILIP DIED- but I have been unable to find his death record. 1859 DIRECTORY Catherine at 524 3rd St., 1860 DIRECTORY Catherine wid of Philip 1731 Carlton I am trying to find the death record for Philip Kline. Any new ideas? Elaine

We have a saying here in America for a job that isn't quite done right: "It's close enough for government work". We Philadelphians are thankful that we aren't in New Jersey or Chicago or California. Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 02:58:16 -0700 > From: mcallisterfamily@btinternet.com > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Philadelphia City Archives > > > Hi All, just like to thank those who have replied giving possible reasons - and I thought bureaucracy was only limited to the English civil servants, wow, you live and learn <g>. > Thanks again, Michael

First of all, sorry for incorrect dates on request..1716 instead of ...1816. I was then gone all day yesterday so could not correct it. Nonetheless, you wonderful listmembers had come through for me again. I now have OUR Philip's obit. So many years I have been searching for this, I can hardly believe it! THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH each and every one of you who have helped me put this family together! Our brick wall has finally come down. I am planning a trip and believe it or not, my plane lands in Philadelphia, where I have never been before, so at least I will be there long enough to change flights....maybe next time I can stay longer and enjoy the city. Elaine

Just curious Jo....what denomination? Mary Finley ----- Original Message ----- From: "J SCHWARTZ" <phillysleuth@verizon.net> To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question > I've occasionally found that a particular minister kept his own lists of > marriages, (eg Rev David Denny in Chambersburg, Pa, 1801-1844), but it was > a very lucky find. > > jo

Hi All, just like to thank those who have replied giving possible reasons - and I thought bureaucracy was only limited to the English civil servants, wow, you live and learn <g>. Thanks again, Michael   Today's Topics:    5. Philadelphia City Archives (Michael McAllister)    6. Re: Philadelphia City Archives (Larry B.)    7. Re: Philadelphia City Archives (Eugene Stackhouse)     Message: 5 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:20:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael McAllister <mcallisterfamily@btinternet.com> Subject: [PAPhl] Philadelphia City Archives To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <889313.20950.qm@web87004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Can someone please tell me why my email aren't being answered when I send to the City Archivs for birth certificates? It has been over two weeks now! ? Regards, Michael McAllister ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:26:17 -0700 From: "Larry B." <phillyhm@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Philadelphia City Archives To: PAPHILAD Newslist <paphilad@rootsweb.com> Civil servants! Message: 7 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:39:20 -0400 From: Eugene Stackhouse <genestackhouse@msn.com> Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Philadelphia City Archives To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> Only two weeks?! If you are answered with two months, consider yourself lucky. The city archives is not noted for good service. It is, of course, Philadelphia! Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights.

No, they never existed. Each state has it's own laws and it's own records, they chose what they decided to keep track of and what not to track. Liz Harrison In a message dated 6/5/2010 9:17:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Stephie21@charter.net writes: I'm curious.... were the records destroyed some how? In many states I have been able to get the marriage license, from the county... even the original consent signed by the parent. Didn't Pennsylvania counties issue licenses to marry in the 1700s? Thank you, Stephanie in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: J SCHWARTZ To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question Philadelphia vital records (Birth, marriage and death) are held at the Philadelphia City Archives and start in 1860. Compliance in filing the proper reports was low in the earlier years, but you should always check. You may occasionally find reference to a marriage/death (not births) in an earlier newspaper, like the (indexed) Public Ledger (available at the FLP and elsewhere), but they are spotty. Records for the 18th century, and early part of the 19th are difficult to dig up, but they are located, as everyone else has mentioned, in church records, and usually don't contain too much information, other than who the parties were, when and where conducted, and sometimes witnesses. I've occasionally found that a particular minister kept his own lists of marriages, (eg Rev David Denny in Chambersburg, Pa, 1801-1844), but it was a very lucky find. jo ----- Original Message ----- > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:04:53 EDT > From: Sndtenterprises@aol.com > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <52a6e.29e71262.393aa855@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Philadelphia City Archives has marriage licenses from 1885. > > Sndtenterprises > Genealogical and Historical Research > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:14:55 -0400 > From: Eugene Stackhouse <genestackhouse@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question > To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <COL103-W455132FFC9AE07C8017332C6D20@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > I believe that Philadelphia records begin 1885 at the city archives. > > I could find no governmental records for my great-grandparents who were married in Philadelphia before the 1870s. > > Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > > > ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2920 - Release Date: 06/05/10 18:25:00 ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Philadelphia vital records (Birth, marriage and death) are held at the Philadelphia City Archives and start in 1860. Compliance in filing the proper reports was low in the earlier years, but you should always check. You may occasionally find reference to a marriage/death (not births) in an earlier newspaper, like the (indexed) Public Ledger (available at the FLP and elsewhere), but they are spotty. Records for the 18th century, and early part of the 19th are difficult to dig up, but they are located, as everyone else has mentioned, in church records, and usually don't contain too much information, other than who the parties were, when and where conducted, and sometimes witnesses. I've occasionally found that a particular minister kept his own lists of marriages, (eg Rev David Denny in Chambersburg, Pa, 1801-1844), but it was a very lucky find. jo ----- Original Message ----- > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:04:53 EDT > From: Sndtenterprises@aol.com > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <52a6e.29e71262.393aa855@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Philadelphia City Archives has marriage licenses from 1885. > > Sndtenterprises > Genealogical and Historical Research > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:14:55 -0400 > From: Eugene Stackhouse <genestackhouse@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question > To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <COL103-W455132FFC9AE07C8017332C6D20@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > I believe that Philadelphia records begin 1885 at the city archives. > > I could find no governmental records for my great-grandparents who were married in Philadelphia before the 1870s. > > Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > > >

I'm curious.... were the records destroyed some how? In many states I have been able to get the marriage license, from the county... even the original consent signed by the parent. Didn't Pennsylvania counties issue licenses to marry in the 1700s? Thank you, Stephanie in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: J SCHWARTZ To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question Philadelphia vital records (Birth, marriage and death) are held at the Philadelphia City Archives and start in 1860. Compliance in filing the proper reports was low in the earlier years, but you should always check. You may occasionally find reference to a marriage/death (not births) in an earlier newspaper, like the (indexed) Public Ledger (available at the FLP and elsewhere), but they are spotty. Records for the 18th century, and early part of the 19th are difficult to dig up, but they are located, as everyone else has mentioned, in church records, and usually don't contain too much information, other than who the parties were, when and where conducted, and sometimes witnesses. I've occasionally found that a particular minister kept his own lists of marriages, (eg Rev David Denny in Chambersburg, Pa, 1801-1844), but it was a very lucky find. jo ----- Original Message ----- > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:04:53 EDT > From: Sndtenterprises@aol.com > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <52a6e.29e71262.393aa855@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Philadelphia City Archives has marriage licenses from 1885. > > Sndtenterprises > Genealogical and Historical Research > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:14:55 -0400 > From: Eugene Stackhouse <genestackhouse@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Early Philadelphia records question > To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <COL103-W455132FFC9AE07C8017332C6D20@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > I believe that Philadelphia records begin 1885 at the city archives. > > I could find no governmental records for my great-grandparents who were married in Philadelphia before the 1870s. > > Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > > > ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2920 - Release Date: 06/05/10 18:25:00

Can someone please tell me why my email aren't being answered when I send to the City Archivs for birth certificates? It has been over two weeks now!   Regards, Michael McAllister

Only two weeks?! If you are answered with two months, consider yourself lucky. The city archives is not noted for good service. It is, of course, Philadelphia! Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:20:54 +0000 > From: mcallisterfamily@btinternet.com > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAPhl] Philadelphia City Archives > > Can someone please tell me why my email aren't being answered when I send to the City Archivs for birth certificates? > It has been over two weeks now! > > Regards, Michael McAllister > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elaine, I see 4 four different Phillip Klines in Philadelphia for the 1850 census but none with Catherine as wife. I thought maybe if I could find a child in 1850, it may lead to a death certificate with the name of a cemetery to look at. Could Phililp have died in Berks County? Mary _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2

Civil servants! > Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:20:54 +0000 > From: mcallisterfamily@btinternet.com > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAPhl] Philadelphia City Archives > > Can someone please tell me why my email aren't being answered when I send to the City Archivs for birth certificates? > It has been over two weeks now! > > Regards, Michael McAllister > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2