I don't know what world you live in but I am a government employee and here's the world I live in because I am answering to you the taxpayer. I sort my own mail because we laid off any mail people we had which of course means a trip to the mail room - and when I get back I have to answer any phone calls on my message lines. If I have a request for anything - I have to go through the indexes because the vast majority of people never include the information needed to find it quickly. Once I find it in the index, I have to actually find the copy of it - and then make a copy of it. That copy costs money - as does the envelope it goes in - and the postage to mail it - by now I am at least 45 minutes into any project and that is without interrupting phone calls or any other work I may have been assigned. Then to justify the postage I have to fill out a couple of forms because you the taxpayer tells me I as a government worker I am probably wasting money. And then i have to run it all to the mail room. Meanwhile I have my normal eight hours worth of work plus the additional work I have been assigned because of layoffs etc. Right now I have the duties that used to be performed by three people. And the governments we all work for are still going broke because you the taxpayer don't want to pay for the cost of doing anything. I am not an employee of the library but it sounds all too familiar to me. Almost every governmental agency is going through the same thing. No one wants to even pay the cost of an aspirin for an employee to put up with the complaints they get. At some point genealogists and those chasing their family trees must be willing to pay the costs of maintaining the information they receive. Those costs include maintaining the building the records are stored in, the staffing for that building and the materials for indexing and retrieval. The Philadelphia Library cost seems very reasonable to me. In fact the employees should be applauded for holding the costs down as long as they did. I sure haven't found any other employer or job doing that. Jackie On 10/4/2010 7:38 PM, ltguidetti wrote: >> It's not just the postage. It is addressing the envelope, packing it, >> weighing it, and getting to the post office. That takes a bit more >> staff time >> > Um, they have mail people who pick the mail up out of their out-boxes.... > So gee, picking up an envelope and licking it, stamping it....let's say > total it takes 5 mintues per 4 page will (more pages = a few extra seconds > in the copier, not worth splitting hairs). If they do it continously, > that's $180 an hour. I'd say that more than covers their costs. > > Then again, if they would allow the Historical or the Genealogical Society > to digitize them as they've offered to do, it wouldn't cost them a cent or a > minute. > > Puh-leez. > > Lynn > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just spoke to the Dept of Wills about the pricing. It is neither $15 a page by mail nor $1 a page in person. If you do it by mail, there is a $15 research fee and either way, there is a $2 /pg copy fee. These rates don't make getting a [long] will cheap, but it's sure better than $15/pg. You have to be careful who you talk to there. Sometimes different people give different answers and it's also very easy to forget the specifics if you don't write it down. I've gotten wills in person many times but still call in for current pricing since one never knows what rules have been changed. I thought it was a $17 research fee at one time. Re the retrenchment at the FLP: in case anyone isn't aware of this, the newspaper department, where obits are researched, no longer has evening hours, but they are open daily and Saturday... afternoons, I think. It makes it difficult for anyone who works during the day or comes from out of town to spend much time there. As others have indicated, it's all because Philly has precious little money. jo

Jo, does obtaining a will still require two visits? Also, is there a fee just to LOOK at the will? For instance, if I'm not sure I want the whole thing or have found the right one in the index, can I request they be pulled, view them, and then decide if I want copies? Thank you. --- On Mon, 10/4/10, Jo Schwartz <phillysleuth@verizon.net> wrote: > I just spoke to the Dept of Wills > about the pricing.   It is neither $15 a page > by mail  nor $1 a page in person.   If > you do it by mail, there is a $15 research fee and either > way, there is a $2 /pg copy fee.  These rates don't > make getting a [long] will cheap, but it's sure better  > than $15/pg. 

Actually next year we might have trouble getting them at all as the State Legislature is considering changing the access rules to make birth and death certificates impossible to get so you all need to contact YOUR state legislator if you live in Pa or to contact any state legislator if you don't but your research interests are here. I had the article put aside to quote from and to have the person's name who sponsored the bill so when I find it again, I will post it. I saw it in last week's paper - either Bucks County Courier or Philadelphia Inquirer. Beth Cherkowsky Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 21:49:37 -0400 rom: Eugene Stackhouse <genestackhouse@msn.com> ubject: Re: [PAPhl] 1908 obit o: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> essage-ID: <COL103-W34939E54BA888EB7E3582CC66C0@phx.gbl> ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" hiladelphia is going broke! ext year it will probably be $20.00. =

Lorri, GenealogyBank.com did not produce a notice to Charles Carroll Feb. 9, 1908 through 12th. This is generally the Public Ledger and Phila. Inquirer. Only one was an Elizabeth, wife of John. Have you searched GenWebArchives? Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorri" <phillylorri@comcast.net> To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 6:25 PM Subject: [PAPhl] 1908 obit >I am searching for an obit on Charles Carroll b. 1856 Phila > d. Feb 9 1908 Phila. If some one has ancestry an would be so kind to do a > lookup for me. > Thank you > Lorri > > > > searching-for ancestors > GEIGER-Veach-Allen-Barnett-CARROLL > -GEARIN-KANE-SMITH-MOYLAN > DONAHUE-BURNS-Fowler-Fahey > UHLE -MANTZ -PSCHYBYLSKI -GRIGOLEIT > BUSCHMANN -MONTING-ODONNELL > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3174 - Release Date: 10/03/10 02:34:00

It's not just the postage. It is addressing the envelope, packing it, weighing it, and getting to the post office. That takes a bit more staff time Elizabeth C ltguidetti wrote: > I am not surprised. I recently called the city about a will from the vault, > they want $15 a page to copy and send it to me. Of course, if I go *there*, > it won't cost but $1 a page. $14 a page for postage is just rude. > > >>> Where else could you find a researcher for less than that?? I've wondered >>> > how they could afford the service for only $1.<< > > If you have access to America's Historical Newspapers, it's a fast lookup, > and for the year 1908 has 69 newspapers which it searches all at once. The > Library system has this, as do most university libraries (a good resource, > if you are near a college, go use their library). The subscription probably > doesn't cost them much at all, and the people work for the library so they > are already getting paid to do *just that* - part of their job is looking > things up.... > > I also found no obit or even a death notice for anything other than > Elizabeth Carroll for the entire month of February, 1908. > > Lynn > >

I am not surprised. I recently called the city about a will from the vault, they want $15 a page to copy and send it to me. Of course, if I go *there*, it won't cost but $1 a page. $14 a page for postage is just rude. >>Where else could you find a researcher for less than that?? I've wondered how they could afford the service for only $1.<< If you have access to America's Historical Newspapers, it's a fast lookup, and for the year 1908 has 69 newspapers which it searches all at once. The Library system has this, as do most university libraries (a good resource, if you are near a college, go use their library). The subscription probably doesn't cost them much at all, and the people work for the library so they are already getting paid to do *just that* - part of their job is looking things up.... I also found no obit or even a death notice for anything other than Elizabeth Carroll for the entire month of February, 1908. Lynn

Philadelphia is going broke! Next year it will probably be $20.00. Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." -Mark Twain > Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 20:33:17 -0400 > From: joe60brady@gmail.com > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] 1908 obit > > how come it went from $1 to $10 ????Joe > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Larry B. <phillyhm@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Send a written request with the person's name, exact date of death (month, > > day, year) or burial date and a stamped self-addressed envelope. They will > > check two newspapers for each name submitted.

how come it went from $1 to $10 ????Joe On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Larry B. <phillyhm@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Send a written request with the person's name, exact date of death (month, > day, year) or burial date and a stamped self-addressed envelope. They will > check two newspapers for each name submitted. > U.S. Mail: > Free Library of Philadelphia > Newspapers & Microfilm Center > 1901 Vine Street > Philadelphia, PA 19103 > Email: > erefNEWS@freelibrary.org > Payments: > A $10 fee will be charged for up to three obituary name "lookups" whether > or not staff can locate the obituaries. This fee covers three emailed scans. > If you prefer a paper copy a $5.00 shipping/handling fee will be added. An > invoice and search results will be sent upon completion of the research > Service Limitations: > Please be advised that staffing limitations prevent them from undertaking > ongoing or in-depth research for patrons. Please refrain from sending > additional requests until payment is completed for previous requests. > Here are just some of the newspapers that are archived at the Newspaper and > Magazine Database Center at the Free Library of Philadelphia. > Philadelphia Bulletin, 4/10/1847-1/29/1982 > Philadelphia Inquirer, 4/3/1860-date > Philadelphia Public Ledger, 3/25/1836-3/15/1934 > Philadelphia Record, 5/14/1870-2/1/1947 > Of course, there are MANY others. > > > > From: phillylorri@comcast.net > > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 18:25:33 -0400 > > Subject: [PAPhl] 1908 obit > > > > I am searching for an obit on Charles Carroll b. 1856 Phila > > d. Feb 9 1908 Phila. If some one has ancestry an would be so kind to do a > > lookup for me. > > Thank you > > Lorri > > > > > > > > searching-for ancestors > > GEIGER-Veach-Allen-Barnett-CARROLL > > -GEARIN-KANE-SMITH-MOYLAN > > DONAHUE-BURNS-Fowler-Fahey > > UHLE -MANTZ -PSCHYBYLSKI -GRIGOLEIT > > BUSCHMANN -MONTING-ODONNELL > > > > ********* > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > > ********* > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Joe Brady researching..Brady,Walsh,Ryan,McDevitt, Pierse, O'Connor, Iaquinto, D'Alfonso, Ricci, Siravo, Carlino, and more

Your email and the cost made me think....... in the 1960s I was just beginning my genealogy quest and wrote to the veteran's department in Washington D.C. hoping to find information on my G. G. grandfather. For a whole dollar I got the entire packet copied, including information on the birth of his three children and marriage. He had died at Andersonville prison and his widow had to send proof of the marriage and children! Of course, being a newbie I had no idea what a treasure this was and my luck would likely never be repeated. Good luck. Stephanie in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: Faith Smith To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [PAPhl] 1908 obit It's still a bargain. Where else could you find a researcher for less than that? I've wondered how they could afford the service for only $1. Faith a displaced Roxborough girl ________________________________ From: Eugene Stackhouse <genestackhouse@msn.com> To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 9:49:37 PM Subject: Re: [PAPhl] 1908 obit Philadelphia is going broke! Next year it will probably be $20.00. Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." -Mark Twain > Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 20:33:17 -0400 > From: joe60brady@gmail.com > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] 1908 obit > > how come it went from $1 to $10 ????Joe > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Larry B. <phillyhm@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Send a written request with the person's name, exact date of death (month, > > day, year) or burial date and a stamped self-addressed envelope. They will > > check two newspapers for each name submitted. ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.445 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3174 - Release Date: 10/03/10 06:34:00

It's still a bargain.  Where else could you find a researcher for less than that?  I've wondered how they could afford the service for only $1. Faith a displaced Roxborough girl ________________________________ From: Eugene Stackhouse <genestackhouse@msn.com> To: paphilad@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, October 3, 2010 9:49:37 PM Subject: Re: [PAPhl] 1908 obit Philadelphia is going broke! Next year it will probably be $20.00. Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." -Mark Twain > Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 20:33:17 -0400 > From: joe60brady@gmail.com > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] 1908 obit > > how come it went from $1 to $10 ????Joe > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Larry B. <phillyhm@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Send a written request with the person's name, exact date of death (month, > > day, year) or burial date and a stamped self-addressed envelope. They will > > check two newspapers for each name submitted.                         ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is an obit for Elizabeth Carroll, wife of John Carroll, and daughter of Elizabeth and the late Benjamin McClellan, who died suddenly on 09 Feb 1908. I have not found one for Charles Carroll. My source is the Philadelphia Inquirer. --- On Sun, 10/3/10, Lorri <phillylorri@comcast.net> wrote: I am searching for an obit on Charles Carroll b. 1856 Phila d. Feb 9 1908 Phila. If some one has ancestry an would be so kind to do a lookup for me.

Those who don't live in the area or visit this library may not be aware that there have been cuts to staff, hours, and services. I noticed the amount went up about the time this happened, so it could well be the only way to continue this service, though I don't know this for certain. If you plan on visiting on Philadelphia libraries, be sure to check hours first to be sure it is open. The same goes for neighboring counties' libraries. --- On Sun, 10/3/10, joseph brady <joe60brady@gmail.com> wrote: > how come it went from $1 to $10 > ????Joe > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Larry B. <phillyhm@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Send a written request with the person's name, exact > date of death (month, > > day, year) or burial date and a stamped self-addressed > envelope. They will > > check two newspapers for each name submitted. > > U.S. Mail: > > Free Library of Philadelphia > > Newspapers & Microfilm Center > > 1901 Vine Street > > Philadelphia, PA 19103 > > Email: > > erefNEWS@freelibrary.org > > Payments: > > A $10 fee will be charged for up to three obituary > name "lookups" whether > > or not staff can locate the obituaries. This fee > covers three emailed scans. > > If you prefer a paper copy a $5.00 shipping/handling > fee will be added. An > > invoice and search results will be sent upon > completion of the research > > Service Limitations: > > Please be advised that staffing limitations prevent > them from undertaking > > ongoing or in-depth research for patrons. Please > refrain from sending > > additional requests until payment is completed for > previous requests. > > Here are just some of the newspapers that are archived > at the Newspaper and > > Magazine Database Center at the Free Library of > Philadelphia. > > Philadelphia Bulletin, 4/10/1847-1/29/1982 > > Philadelphia Inquirer, 4/3/1860-date > > Philadelphia Public Ledger, 3/25/1836-3/15/1934 > > Philadelphia Record, 5/14/1870-2/1/1947 > > Of course, there are MANY others. > > > > > > > From: phillylorri@comcast.net > > > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 18:25:33 -0400 > > > Subject: [PAPhl] 1908 obit > > > > > > I am searching for an obit on Charles Carroll b. > 1856 Phila > > > d. Feb 9 1908 Phila. If some one has ancestry an > would be so kind to do a > > > lookup for me. > > > Thank you > > > Lorri > > > > > > > > > > > > searching-for ancestors > > > GEIGER-Veach-Allen-Barnett-CARROLL > > > -GEARIN-KANE-SMITH-MOYLAN > > > DONAHUE-BURNS-Fowler-Fahey > > > UHLE -MANTZ -PSCHYBYLSKI -GRIGOLEIT > > > BUSCHMANN -MONTING-ODONNELL > > > > > > ********* > > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > > > ********* > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ********* > > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > > ********* > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Joe Brady researching..Brady,Walsh,Ryan,McDevitt, Pierse, > O'Connor, > Iaquinto, D'Alfonso, Ricci, Siravo, Carlino, and more > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

I am searching for an obit on Charles Carroll b. 1856 Phila d. Feb 9 1908 Phila. If some one has ancestry an would be so kind to do a lookup for me. Thank you Lorri searching-for ancestors GEIGER-Veach-Allen-Barnett-CARROLL -GEARIN-KANE-SMITH-MOYLAN DONAHUE-BURNS-Fowler-Fahey UHLE -MANTZ -PSCHYBYLSKI -GRIGOLEIT BUSCHMANN -MONTING-ODONNELL

Send a written request with the person's name, exact date of death (month, day, year) or burial date and a stamped self-addressed envelope. They will check two newspapers for each name submitted. U.S. Mail: Free Library of Philadelphia Newspapers & Microfilm Center 1901 Vine Street Philadelphia, PA 19103 Email: erefNEWS@freelibrary.org Payments: A $10 fee will be charged for up to three obituary name "lookups" whether or not staff can locate the obituaries. This fee covers three emailed scans. If you prefer a paper copy a $5.00 shipping/handling fee will be added. An invoice and search results will be sent upon completion of the research Service Limitations: Please be advised that staffing limitations prevent them from undertaking ongoing or in-depth research for patrons. Please refrain from sending additional requests until payment is completed for previous requests. Here are just some of the newspapers that are archived at the Newspaper and Magazine Database Center at the Free Library of Philadelphia. Philadelphia Bulletin, 4/10/1847-1/29/1982 Philadelphia Inquirer, 4/3/1860-date Philadelphia Public Ledger, 3/25/1836-3/15/1934 Philadelphia Record, 5/14/1870-2/1/1947 Of course, there are MANY others. > From: phillylorri@comcast.net > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 18:25:33 -0400 > Subject: [PAPhl] 1908 obit > > I am searching for an obit on Charles Carroll b. 1856 Phila > d. Feb 9 1908 Phila. If some one has ancestry an would be so kind to do a > lookup for me. > Thank you > Lorri > > > > searching-for ancestors > GEIGER-Veach-Allen-Barnett-CARROLL > -GEARIN-KANE-SMITH-MOYLAN > DONAHUE-BURNS-Fowler-Fahey > UHLE -MANTZ -PSCHYBYLSKI -GRIGOLEIT > BUSCHMANN -MONTING-ODONNELL > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please disregard the spam that came through the list -- I've taken action to have the bad link removed from the list archives and placed the poster's address under moderation. It would appear the account has been hijacked. Thanks! Joan, admin PAPHILAD@rootsweb.com In a message dated 10/3/2010 1:16:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bigbandnana@yahoo.com writes: <snip>

If you call them, they are prompt in getting back with you to help you solve your problem. I talked to them Monday and one thing they pointed out is that it does have bugs that they are trying to work out. Call them though. Dottie in oh -----Original Message----- From: Larry B. <phillyhm@hotmail.com> To: philly-roots@rootsweb.com; PAPHILAD Newslist <paphilad@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Oct 1, 2010 11:56 am Subject: [PAPhl] Family Quest Beta Duh! I meant Family Search Beta, not Family Quest. arry B. ******** isit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ******** ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Duh! I meant Family Search Beta, not Family Quest. Larry B.

Anyone else having a problem with Family Quest Beta? I tried to log on last Tuesesday but was denied access. Thinking it was because I used my old ID and password from over a year ago, I re-registered. This allowed me access. Wednesday I was denied access again, so I set up another password and was allowed access. Yesterday I was denied again. Sound familiar? I tried contacting Family Quest on their help line but haven't heard back from them. Larry B.

I've "rescued" an old photograph of Harry KNIGHT which was taken at the P. Edward Chillman & Co. Studio in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The photograph appears to have been taken in the 1880's with Harry likely in his teens or 20's at the time it was taken. In addition to his name, someone has written "Uncle" on the back of the photograph. I am hoping to locate someone from Harry's family so that this wonderful old treasure can be returned to the care of his family. If you are a member of this KNIGHT Family, or you know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley