It's possible Catherine went to live with another family or family member instead of going to the orphanage. Is it possible the Dorn family were relatives? My mom's youngest sister was adopted by her mother's sister and lived with her and her husband as they could not have children, but the other 4 girls went to the orphanage for 3 years until the oldest sister turned 14 and were returned to their father's home. I was told by someone that they would not let the girls remain at home without a female present. Their father was financially able to provide for them and at first did hire a nanny but she proved unreliable and then they went to the orphanage. We have Brady's from PA in our family. Anne and ? Brady with children Mary and Fannie. Mary married John Shumway in 1897 and they had a daughter Mary, who married into our Kline family. I really have not reseached these Bradys too much. Maybe I will now. Elaine

What I would like to ask is if anyone on this list is in Philadelphia and can do a random act of kindness to look up a marriage and/or birth record for Catherine. Her death cert has a middle initial on it of C. But I don't know what the name might be and I have no other documentation that has a middle initial on it. She married a man named Michael Brady but I have no idea when. I believe Catherine was still single in 1880 at the age of 20 living with another family as a border and servant for them. If anyone could look this up for me, I would be very grateful. Thanks Sharon In a message dated 12/1/2010 8:55:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, seekay@comcast.net writes: Sharon, Have you checked for Catherine's birth record? Philadelphia birth records begin in 1860. How about Catherine's marriage license? Although marriage records at this date in Philadelphia don't show parents' info, there's always a chance that she married while a minor and so might have had a parental consent form. And, of course, there's the relevant church records -- baptism and marriage. Any of the above might show the mother's name. HTH Claire K. On Dec 1, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Shadonkd35@aol.com wrote: > ...Catherine was born in 1860...was married to Micheal Brady when she died ...in > 1900. ... >> >> I have a situation where I know a mother, Ann,and daughter, Catherine, > are >> definitely mother and daughter. But I have no data in writing to prove >> it. >> ..Where else and what else can I search for that would give me proof > positive >> that Catherine was the daughter of Ann Collopy? ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sharon, Have you checked for Catherine's birth record? Philadelphia birth records begin in 1860. How about Catherine's marriage license? Although marriage records at this date in Philadelphia don't show parents' info, there's always a chance that she married while a minor and so might have had a parental consent form. And, of course, there's the relevant church records -- baptism and marriage. Any of the above might show the mother's name. HTH Claire K. On Dec 1, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Shadonkd35@aol.com wrote: > ...Catherine was born in 1860...was married to Micheal Brady when she died ...in > 1900. ... >> >> I have a situation where I know a mother, Ann,and daughter, Catherine, > are >> definitely mother and daughter. But I have no data in writing to prove >> it. >> ..Where else and what else can I search for that would give me proof > positive >> that Catherine was the daughter of Ann Collopy?

Try the Historical Society of Pennsylvania. Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. Author: "Germantown in the Civil War" The History Press, 635 Rutledge Ave., Charleston, SC 29403 www.historypress.net It may also be ordered from amazon.com, the Germantown Historical Society AND the Philadelphia Print Shop, Ltd. > From: Shadonkd35@aol.com > Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 12:54:54 -0500 > To: PAPHILAD@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAPhl] Funeral Home Data > > Where would I find the funeral home records for the following funeral > director for the years mentioned? > > John P. Gallagher, undertaker 1891 > 1508 North 4th street > Philadelphia > > John P. Gallagher, undertaker 1900 > 1439 Germantown Avenue > Philadelphia > > apparently the same undertaker but just a different location. > > Sharon > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Catherine and her mother, Ann, are not in any federal censuses listed together as far as I know. I cannot find them in 1870 and in 1880 Catherine is listed as a border with another family. Catherine was born in 1860 but does not appear on the 1860 census. Catherine was married to Micheal Brady when she died at the age of 40 in 1900. She was born in Philadelphia and always lived there. I have an obituary for James Collopy that connects him to Catherine. I have an obituary for Catherine that connects her to James, the father. But not her mother. I guess the best thing is to obtain baptismal records from the Catholic church. Spelling of the name is definitely a problem. Even using the soundex or other sources, I am still unable to locate them in the census. There are so many variations on the name spelling, it is mind boggling. Thanks Sharon In a message dated 12/1/2010 1:32:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, reginanau@msn.com writes: Are they in any census records - if so under what name (spelling)? Was Catherine married when she died? Were they always in Philadelphia? Was Catherine born in PA. If they were catholic can you obtain the baptisimal record for Catherine? What information to you have to connect an Ann to Catherine and James? > From: Shadonkd35@aol.com > Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 13:02:27 -0500 > To: PAPHILAD@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAPhl] Connecting Family > > I have a situation where I know a mother, Ann,and daughter, Catherine, are > definitely mother and daughter. But I have no data in writing to prove > it. > > the mother, Ann, died prior to 1891 because her husband, James, was listed > as a widower when he died. > I have searched for the mother's, Ann, obituary and death certificate > but still cannot find it. > > the daughter, Catherine, died in 1900, I have her obituary and death > certificate. In the early days the parents were not listed on a person's death > certificate as is the case with Catherine. Her obituary only listed > Catherine as the daughter of the late James Collopy. There is no mention of her > mother in the obit. > > Where else and what else can I search for that would give me proof positive > that Catherine was the daughter of Ann Collopy? > > Thanks > Sharon > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********* Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD ********* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Are they in any census records - if so under what name (spelling)? Was Catherine married when she died? Were they always in Philadelphia? Was Catherine born in PA. If they were catholic can you obtain the baptisimal record for Catherine? What information to you have to connect an Ann to Catherine and James? > From: Shadonkd35@aol.com > Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 13:02:27 -0500 > To: PAPHILAD@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAPhl] Connecting Family > > I have a situation where I know a mother, Ann,and daughter, Catherine, are > definitely mother and daughter. But I have no data in writing to prove > it. > > the mother, Ann, died prior to 1891 because her husband, James, was listed > as a widower when he died. > I have searched for the mother's, Ann, obituary and death certificate > but still cannot find it. > > the daughter, Catherine, died in 1900, I have her obituary and death > certificate. In the early days the parents were not listed on a person's death > certificate as is the case with Catherine. Her obituary only listed > Catherine as the daughter of the late James Collopy. There is no mention of her > mother in the obit. > > Where else and what else can I search for that would give me proof positive > that Catherine was the daughter of Ann Collopy? > > Thanks > Sharon > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a situation where I know a mother, Ann,and daughter, Catherine, are definitely mother and daughter. But I have no data in writing to prove it. the mother, Ann, died prior to 1891 because her husband, James, was listed as a widower when he died. I have searched for the mother's, Ann, obituary and death certificate but still cannot find it. the daughter, Catherine, died in 1900, I have her obituary and death certificate. In the early days the parents were not listed on a person's death certificate as is the case with Catherine. Her obituary only listed Catherine as the daughter of the late James Collopy. There is no mention of her mother in the obit. Where else and what else can I search for that would give me proof positive that Catherine was the daughter of Ann Collopy? Thanks Sharon

Where would I find the funeral home records for the following funeral director for the years mentioned? John P. Gallagher, undertaker 1891 1508 North 4th street Philadelphia John P. Gallagher, undertaker 1900 1439 Germantown Avenue Philadelphia apparently the same undertaker but just a different location. Sharon

Thanks, I found it was the wrong James Fraizer in the 5th ward. Back to the drawing board. Plumber, one I wanted is a carpenter/funeral director. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene Stackhouse" <genestackhouse@msn.com> To: <paphilad@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [PAPhl] 1860 ward > > It was the 5th ward. > > Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. > "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." -Mark Twain > > >> From: rhamilton26@tampabay.rr.com >> To: paphilad@rootsweb.com >> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:22:18 -0400 >> Subject: [PAPhl] 1860 ward >> >> I am looking for 331 Pine st, James J. Fraizer/Fraser/Frazier. >> Does anyone know if this is the "5th" ward in 1860 census. >> Thank you, Jane >> ********* >> Visit the threaded archives of this list: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD >> ********* >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3201 - Release Date: 10/16/10 14:33:00

It was the 5th ward. Gene Stackhouse in Germantown Heights. "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." -Mark Twain > From: rhamilton26@tampabay.rr.com > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:22:18 -0400 > Subject: [PAPhl] 1860 ward > > I am looking for 331 Pine st, James J. Fraizer/Fraser/Frazier. > Does anyone know if this is the "5th" ward in 1860 census. > Thank you, Jane > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for 331 Pine st, James J. Fraizer/Fraser/Frazier. Does anyone know if this is the "5th" ward in 1860 census. Thank you, Jane

Here's an 1860 Ward Map. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~moyer/Philadelphia-Maps/1860-Philadelphia-Map.pdf Larry B. > From: rhamilton26@tampabay.rr.com > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:22:18 -0400 > Subject: [PAPhl] 1860 ward > > I am looking for 331 Pine st, James J. Fraizer/Fraser/Frazier. > Does anyone know if this is the "5th" ward in 1860 census. > Thank you, Jane > ********* > Visit the threaded archives of this list: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/PAPHILAD > ********* > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPHILAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

GENEALOGY RESEARCH LECTURES & WORKSHOPS The Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania 2207 Chestnut Street, Philadelphia, PA 19103 215.545.0391 Fall 2010 Lecture & Workshop Schedule Please visit www.genpa.org for registration information Saturday, October 30th - 10:30 AM - 12:00 PM & 12:30 - 1:30 PM, Lecture: Tracking Pennsylvania Ancestors: Keys to Successful Research, with Kay Haviland Freilich, Certified Genealogist and Certified Genealogical Lecturer For more than three centuries our ancestors have lived and created records in Pennsylvania. Learn the keys to finding those records, including the commonwealth history, boundary changes over the years, types of government offices, ethnic and religious groups, and research repositories. Please note: After a brief lunch break Kay will be available to registrants from 12:30 - 1:30 PM for an informal discussion about researching your Pennsylvania ancestors. If you have a stubborn Pennsylvania research problem this could be the time - and the person - to help get the problem resolved. Tuesday, November 9th - 12:30 - 2:30 PM, Workshop: Vagrants, Truants & Abandoned Privies: Unusual Record Collections of the Philadelphia City Archives, with Anita Sheahan Coraluzzi, GSP Project Manager [Laptop required for online research.] The Philadelphia City Archives [PCA] houses far more than birth, marriage and death records. This workshop explores the more unusual record collections stored at the archives, and the relevance these collections may have to your family research. We will also discuss visiting the PCA to view the records, online access and alternate research strategies for locating some of the PCA record collections. Thursday, November 18th - 1:00 - 2:00 PM, Lecture: No Good Deed Goes Unrewarded, with Susan S. Koelble, Certified Genealogist SM and Professional Philadelphia Researcher The Recorder of Deeds Office maintains more than just land transfer records. This lecture will guide the genealogist through these records helping them to find those morsels of information that can add so much to their family history. Genealogists will learn information on locating grantor/grantee records and discuss additional material found in the Recorder of Deeds Office such as Registry Jackets, Sheriff Deeds and Miscellaneous books. Thursday, December 9th - 12:30 - 2:00 PM, Lecture: Understanding and Interpreting 19th-Century Philadelphia Naturalizations, with Jefferson M. Moak, archivist for the Philadelphia City Archives 1987 -2000, and presently with the National Archives & Records Administration, Mid-Atlantic Region There were 10 local, state and federal courts at one time or another in Philadelphia that conducted naturalization ceremonies. The forms used among those courts were not standardized, and the data included thereon often needs interpretation to produce the most information. This lecture will delve into the ways of interpreting the various declarations and petitions filed in all 10 Philadelphia courts from 1790 to 1906.

I've "rescued" an old photograph Minnie FRENCH which was taken at the Trask Studio in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The photograph is dated 1893 with Minnie appearing to be in her teens at the time the photograph was taken. I am hoping to locate someone from Minnie's family so that this wonderful old treasure can be returned to the care of her family. If you are a member of this FRENCH Family, or you know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley

Hello, all :) In my search for the parents of "Samuel WALL", born 11 August 1811 in Pennsylvania (as recorded in the 1850 Census of Smith Co. Mississippi), I have come across two "George WALL"s and one "Henry WALL" with children within the age-range of Sammuel (my ggg-grandfather). According to wht I have found, so far, SAmuel married his wife, Martha WALTON, about 1838 or a bit earlier, in Mississippi. In Mississippi, Samuel was listed as a "Brickmaker". Thank you for any help offered. Kelly Paul Graham Houston, Texas

Laurie, Many wills are on microfilm/fiche and you can look at them immediately, assuming the 2 (I think) readers are not in use and working. If you have to get the physical will pulled from the archives storage, either because it is not in the time span that was filmed (I've got it written somewhere, but don't remember it) or the resolution on film is too bad for reading, it *will* take you two visits. There is no fee just to look at a will in either form. That's one of the problems with ordering by mail: if you just ask for "the will", that's all you get. While it may be cheaper, there are often other papers with the will that are valuable/interesting, like letters and inventories. However, many letters are just legal exchanges without any genealogical significance. If you order by mail and tell them to copy everything in the folder just to be sure you don't miss anything important, you could be paying for a lot of paper you will just throw out. The cost is completely in your control if you can look at the folder on site. Kind of a catch-22 situation for out- of -towners. jo > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:55:40 -0700 (PDT) > From: Laurie <larzemail@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [PAPhl] Cost of Philadelphia will and obit (library) > issues > To: paphilad@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <445213.47382.qm@web35905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Jo, does obtaining a will still require two visits? > > Also, is there a fee just to LOOK at the will? For instance, if I'm not > sure I want the whole thing or have found the right one in the index, can > I request they be pulled, view them, and then decide if I want copies? > > Thank you. >

I've been watching this thread and felt it was bordering on what is appropriate and not for our list. While it is important for the list members to know what resources are available and how to go about obtaining what they need in their research--please be careful not to stray into political discussion or personal attacks or comments about people doing their jobs or not, etc. As Beth pointed out, it doesn't accomplish anything and creates animosity. Thanks! Joan, admin _PAPHILAD@rootsweb.com_ (mailto:PAPHILAD@rootsweb.com) In a message dated 10/5/2010 7:04:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cougartoys@aol.com writes: Folks, I'm sure the list leader will be along shortly to reinforce this but: Comments regarding the supposed ability of a Library employee to add your lookup to their regular duties even at an outrageous cost, let alone a moderate one Or job-justification from said employees or from other governmental employees do NOT belong on this list. Please take them elsewhere. If you want to discuss it I'll be happy to provide a yahoo group you can argue it out on. NOT Here. Not what this list is for and it just creates hard feelings - obviously So please, bite your tonques (fingers??) and hold your comments for the appropriate forum and/or the voting booth. Beth Cherkowsky

Folks, I'm sure the list leader will be along shortly to reinforce this but: Comments regarding the supposed ability of a Library employee to add your lookup to their regular duties even at an outrageous cost, let alone a moderate one Or job-justification from said employees or from other governmental employees do NOT belong on this list. Please take them elsewhere. If you want to discuss it I'll be happy to provide a yahoo group you can argue it out on. NOT Here. Not what this list is for and it just creates hard feelings - obviously So please, bite your tonques (fingers??) and hold your comments for the appropriate forum and/or the voting booth. Beth Cherkowsky

Hello list I hope it is ok to post this link here. Anyone who have searched for family in Clare Ireland will know how hard it is, as there are not many available online. This petition has been going for some time and there are still people signing it. I was advised to leave it on as long as people were signing it. I think it is now time to take it off and send it to people and societys who care. Maybe they will be able to do something with it for our good. http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/county-clare-records/signatures.html

> It's not just the postage. It is addressing the envelope, packing it, > weighing it, and getting to the post office. That takes a bit more > staff time > Um, they have mail people who pick the mail up out of their out-boxes.... So gee, picking up an envelope and licking it, stamping it....let's say total it takes 5 mintues per 4 page will (more pages = a few extra seconds in the copier, not worth splitting hairs). If they do it continously, that's $180 an hour. I'd say that more than covers their costs. Then again, if they would allow the Historical or the Genealogical Society to digitize them as they've offered to do, it wouldn't cost them a cent or a minute. Puh-leez. Lynn