In a message dated 12/12/2005 3:36:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, b_sgun@magicohio.com writes: Not according to a 3 three volume set of books on passenger lists and naturalizations. The information you were given is accurate--Federal Naturalizations began in 1790 -- not 1789. I must say when requesting assistance from your fellow list members the tone of your message isn't exactly of a nature that would encourage anyone to want to assist you. There is a book "Philadelphia Naturalizations: Records of Aliens' Declarations of Intention and/or Oaths of Allegiance 1789-1880" (Detroit, Mich.: Gale Research Co., 1982) and which can be used in connection with "The Pennsylvania Genealogical Magazine 36 (1989): 109-16. These resources can be obtained in any good genealogy library and probably from the LDS Family History Centers across the country. See RootsWeb Guide lesson 16 on Naturalization: http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/lesson16.htm Joan

Well said, Joan...and thank you for the information. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com To: PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [PAPHL] Re:naturalization index lookups for free. In a message dated 12/12/2005 3:36:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, b_sgun@magicohio.com writes: Not according to a 3 three volume set of books on passenger lists and naturalizations. The information you were given is accurate--Federal Naturalizations began in 1790 -- not 1789. I must say when requesting assistance from your fellow list members the tone of your message isn't exactly of a nature that would encourage anyone to want to assist you. There is a book "Philadelphia Naturalizations: Records of Aliens' Declarations of Intention and/or Oaths of Allegiance 1789-1880" (Detroit, Mich.: Gale Research Co., 1982) and which can be used in connection with "The Pennsylvania Genealogical Magazine 36 (1989): 109-16. These resources can be obtained in any good genealogy library and probably from the LDS Family History Centers across the country. See RootsWeb Guide lesson 16 on Naturalization: http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/lesson16.htm Joan ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== Helpful abbreviations: (APS)American Philosophical Society, [ARI]Annenberg Research Institute,(BI)Balch Institute,[DU] Drexel University Library, FLP)Free Library of Philadelphia, [GHS] Germantown Historical Society, GSP)Genealogical Society of PA, (HSP)Historical Society of PA, LC)Library Company, [NARS] National Archives Regional Branch-Philadelphia, PCA)Philadelphia City Archives,(PCH)Philadelphia City Hall, (PJAC)Philadelphia Jewish Archives Center, (RWA)Register of Wills Archives,(TU)Temple University, (UP)University of Pennsylvania Libraries and Archives ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Not according to a 3 three volume set of books on passenger lists and naturalizations. Time to stop the piss-a-thons. > There are no federal naturalizations for 1789. > > > ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== > FREE: Upload your GEDCOM to WorldConnect > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

There are no federal naturalizations for 1789.

In a message dated 12 12 2005 10:00:05 AM, PAPHILAD-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << I need someone to go and take a look for me for a naturalization of a Jacob Alderman/Alterman/Olterman born 1769-1773 in Moravia, Germany. I understand that he could have taken the oath of allegiance or naturalized there in Philadelphia around 1789. >> 000000000000000000000 NARA had a service where they did naturalization index lookups for free.[federal level only, not county or state]. If they find something they will send it to you for a fee. If they still do this it may solve your problem. Get the email address from www.nara.gov for the Phila. branch and contact them. Probably a phone call, fax etc. will work too. Milton E. Botwinick [professional genealogist] botwinick@aol.com botwinick@alumni.rowan.edu MEBotwinick@alumni.temple.edu http://hometown.aol.com/botwinick/myhomepage/index.html

Perhaps the census takers numbering was in error. I looked at that page the other day when your original message was posted and saw a building with 3 or 4 families in it [2441 or 2445 I forget] which certainly seems to be a multiple family dwelling, which may have two entrances, one numbered say 2441 and one numbered 2443. In 1920 the census taker may have counted as separate dwellings while in 1930 the census taker counted as one using just one number. I also read 2447 as 2449. I would suggest comparing the 1920 and 1930 for the block of dwellings/families from 2441 to 2449 which may help you determine what family was at 2443 in 1930. At 07:58 AM 12/12/2005 -0700, you wrote: >No, actually I need to know the names of whomever is at that address. The >point of this search is that I know the importance of the address but not >the names of the occupants.

Just as followup, I checked the census records of the ED for the north side of Kensington in 1930 in hopes that 2443 was there. Nope, just the even number addresses were there. Guess the census taker either missed it or no one was home at the time. -- Ken

No, actually I need to know the names of whomever is at that address. The point of this search is that I know the importance of the address but not the names of the occupants. Thanks

Ref: Town and Country Newspaper Pennsburg, Montgomery County, PA Saturday - September 2, 1905 JAPAN AND RUSSIA WAS IS ENDED The long and bloody war between Japan and Russia is ended, the two governments reached an agreement on Tuesday through their plenipotentiaries at Portsmouth, New Hampshire. The war lasted eighteen months and was a disastrous and bloody one, costing $1,600,000,000 in money and 342,000 casualties. The terms of peace were settled by M. WITTE and Baron KOMURA as the morning session of conference and the actual work of framing the "Treaty of Portsmouth" was by mutual agreement turned over to M. DeMARTENS, Russia's great international lawyer, and Mr. DENNISON, who for 25 years has acted as legal advisor of the Japanese Foreign office. Japan gets no indemnity and none of Russia's interned ships. The world, amazed at the agreement, gives all credit for peace to President ROOSEVELT, who, without the assistance of any man, kept the negotiations from failure. The envoys of the Czar and the envoys of the Mikado, had been at Portsmouth for three weeks engaged in an attempt to reach this ! agreement. EAST GREENVILLE GIRL WAS RUN INTO BY TEAM Katie, the seventeen year old daughter of Mr. and Mrs. George CHRISTMAN was injured on Saturday evening by being run over by a team. She was about to cross the street when a team in charge of Harry STEYER, of East Greenville and Wm. GRIESAMER, of Pennsburg, came upon her. She was knocked down by the horse and trampled upon. The girl escaped with a few lacerations on her head and body. SKIPPACK GIRL INJURED IN RUNAWAY Miss May WRIGHT, of Skippack, may be a cripple for life, because of an injury sustained to her spine in a runaway accident near Evansburg. She, accompanied by four others were driving near Norristown when the horse became frightened at a cow in the road and kicked himself loose from the carriage, before being liberated however, the horse upset the carriage and all the occupants were tumbled into the roadway. All were more or less injured, but Miss WRIGHT fared the worst. THIEVES STOP CHURCH SERVICE When the Rev. D.P. LONGSDORF, pastor of St. John's United Evangelical Church at Catasauqua, was preaching on Sunday evening a man ran breathlessly into the church and said the parsonage was being robbed. The services were stopped, and a march made on the parsonage. When the parsonage was neared two men ran out, one firing a shot into the air. The thieves were chased, but they escaped. Some silverware and family jewelry were stolen. PURCHASED A HOME IN EAST GREENVILLE E. Wayne WEIL, of East Greenville, foreman in the Town and Country printing office at Pennsburg, on Saturday purchased the brick dwelling house situate on Jefferson Street, East Greenville from Mrs. G.W. KOHLER. The price paid was $3200. Mrs. KOHLER will move to Philadelphia on or about October 1, when Mr. WEIL will take possession. LIMERICK MAN LEFT FOR PACIFIC COAST Louis McINTIRE, of Limerick, near Royersford, and Charles GIBBS, of Spring City, two well known young glass blowers of Spring City, left Saturday evening via the Reading Railway for San Francisco, Cal., where they will work this season. They will stop off and visit Niagara Falls, Chicago, Denver and Salt Lake City on their way to the coast. GRIEF KILLS AGED WIDOWER John BROWNICK, of Eagle Point, Berks county, died on Monday of a broken heart. He had sent money to Europe for his wife to come to this country but last week he received news of her death. BROWNICK scarcely spoke a word after receiving the message. While physicians were preparing to send him to the Allentown Hospital, he died. ASSESSOR WILL BE AT TOWN HALL Assessor Frank W. HILLEGASS will sit at the Town Hall, Pennsburg, on Tuesday and Wednesday, September 5 and 6, in order to take the names of those who wish to be assessed. WAS APPOINTED SPEED JUDGE AT ALLENTOWN Dr. Jesse Z. HILLEGASS, of Allentown, formerly of Red Hill, was last week appointed one of the speed judges at the Lehigh County Agricultural Society's ?ir. KILLED BY TRAIN A hay wagon, heavily loaded with wood, driven by Samuel SMALL, was struck by a south-bound Bethlehem express on the Reading Railway at the crossing at Rock Hill station near Quakertown, Monday afternoon, killing SMALL instantly, demolishing the wagon, damaging the engine and wrecking every pair of steps but one on one side of the train of three cars. Instead of being hurled ahead of the engine, as is usual in such collisions, SMALL's body landed squarely on the framework of the engine just above the cow-catcher with such terrific force as to dent a heavy iron pipe. The impact reduced his body to a mass of unrecognizable flesh and bone. Several of the bars in the cow-catcher were broken out and the car steps were carried away as cleanly as though they had been sawed off. The horses had crossed the track and escaped with slight injury. SMALL was 35 years old and resided on a farm near Almont. He apparently failed to see the approaching train, owing to another train on the adjo! ining track blocking his vision. READING MAN DRANK LAUDANUM AT HARRISBURG H.E. REIFSNYDER, aged 50 years, a city directory agent, drank laudanum at the Aldinger Hotel at Harrisburg, on Monday night, and was found dead in the bed. He left a note asking that his body be sent home. Despondency, fearing that he would lose his position, was the cause of the suicide. His only daughter was to have been married on September 7. REIFSNYDER formerly lived in Reading. GASOLINE TANK EXPLODE AT LAUNDRY The gasoline tank alongside of the Keystone Laundry at East Greenville, exploded on Thursday afternoon and wrecked the small building in which it was located. The damaged caused by the explosion amounts to about twenty dollars. About a year ago a former tank of gasoline at the same place also exploded. MANY WENT TO WOMELSDORF Four hundred and sixty people accompanied the excursion to Bethany Orphans' Home at Womelsdorf, over the Perkiomen railroad on Thursday. One hundred and five from Pennsburg, ninety from East Greenville, and fifty from Red Hill. WERE RELIEVED OF VALUABLES AT WOMELSDORF Mrs. Maria KLINE and Mrs. George E. HEVENER, both of Pennsburg, were robbed at Womelsdorf on Thursday. The former of five dollars and the latter of her hand bag containing her purse and her return ticket. INSURANCE COMPANY MET AT BEDSIDE OF SECRETARY Because the secretary, A.D. FETTEROLF, is confined to bed in his Collegeville home with a broken leg, the quarterly meeting of Perkiomen Valley Fire Insurance Company was held at his bedside, and the former clerk to State Assembly recorded the proceedings lying in bed. DRIVER WAS THROWN OUT OF WAGON Jeweler Edwin J. WIEDER, of Pennsburg was jolted out of his wagon at Green Lane on Thursday evening while driving towards his home, by another team coming in an opposite direction. The team ran into Mr. WIEDER's and caused the accident. ENGINEER MOVES TO HILLEGASS Charles R. TAGERT, of Philadelphia, today moved his family from that place to the tenant house of Charles Q. HILLEGASS near Hillegass. He has accepted the position as engineer at the Perkiomen Paper Mills and will enter upon his duties on Monday. CHILD CUTS AN UGLY GASH IN HAND William ROTENBERGER a five year old boy, of near Pleasant Run, cut himself in the palm of the hand with a pocket knife while playing with it. The boy cut a gash to a length of four inches and a depth of half an inch. LOST HER GOLD EYE GLASSES Mrs. Benjamin BROWN, of Philadelphia who is one of the members of Camp Perkiomen, who spent several weeks on the banks of the Perkiomen Creek, this week lost her gold eye glasses while driving from Pennsburg to Niantic. ACCEPTED POSITION AT PENNSBURG Norman ERNEY a printer, of Quakertown, accepted a position as compositor in the Town and Country printing office. He entered upon his duties on Monday. LETTERS WERE GRANTED Letters of administration have this week been granted in the estate of Samuel HEADMAN, of Upper Hanover township, c.t.a., to P.H. HEADMAN. LOST TWO HORSES OF CHOKING DISTEMPER Calvin GRABER, of near East Greenville, lost two horses by death from choking distemper.

Merle, I live in SE Ohio. Bodily I am not able to be out of the house that much. I am partially disabled. The closest FHC center is about 50 miles from me. I have not drove for about 5 months and going out town driving is out of the question. Most people I know that could take me when it is open are working. I feel like that I am between a rock and a hard place. Mike Trowbridge > Mike-- > Most of the people on this list do not live in Philly and one would have > to go to the National Archives in Philly to get this record. > > You can get the soundex codes on-line and order the films at your local > FHC. > > Good luck. > Merle > > -----Original Message----- > From: michael trowbridge <b_sgun@magicohio.com> > To: PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:21:01 -0500 (EST) > Subject: [PAPHL] naturalizations > > > List, > I need someone to go and take a look for me for a naturalization of a > Jacob Alderman/Alterman/Olterman born 1769-1773 in Moravia, Germany. > I understand that he could have taken the oath of allegiance or > naturalized there in Philadelphia around 1789. > I understand that he possibly came over on the ship'Patsey Rutledge'. > Check and see how much photocopies cost and let me know. > Mike Trowbridge > > > > > > ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== > Helpful abbreviations: (APS)American Philosophical Society, > [ARI]Annenberg Research Institute,(BI)Balch Institute,[DU] Drexel > University > Library, FLP)Free Library of Philadelphia, [GHS] Germantown Historical > Society, > GSP)Genealogical Society of PA, (HSP)Historical Society of PA, LC)Library > Company, [NARS] National Archives Regional Branch-Philadelphia, > PCA)Philadelphia > City Archives,(PCH)Philadelphia City Hall, (PJAC)Philadelphia Jewish > Archives > Center, (RWA)Register of Wills Archives,(TU)Temple University, > (UP)University of > Pennsylvania Libraries and Archives > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== > Keep informed of the latest news and new databases, webpages and mailing > lists at RootsWeb. Subscribe to the weekly RootsWeb Review. To > subscribe, start here: http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Mike-- Most of the people on this list do not live in Philly and one would have to go to the National Archives in Philly to get this record. You can get the soundex codes on-line and order the films at your local FHC. Good luck. Merle -----Original Message----- From: michael trowbridge <b_sgun@magicohio.com> To: PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 21:21:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [PAPHL] naturalizations List, I need someone to go and take a look for me for a naturalization of a Jacob Alderman/Alterman/Olterman born 1769-1773 in Moravia, Germany. I understand that he could have taken the oath of allegiance or naturalized there in Philadelphia around 1789. I understand that he possibly came over on the ship'Patsey Rutledge'. Check and see how much photocopies cost and let me know. Mike Trowbridge ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== Helpful abbreviations: (APS)American Philosophical Society, [ARI]Annenberg Research Institute,(BI)Balch Institute,[DU] Drexel University Library, FLP)Free Library of Philadelphia, [GHS] Germantown Historical Society, GSP)Genealogical Society of PA, (HSP)Historical Society of PA, LC)Library Company, [NARS] National Archives Regional Branch-Philadelphia, PCA)Philadelphia City Archives,(PCH)Philadelphia City Hall, (PJAC)Philadelphia Jewish Archives Center, (RWA)Register of Wills Archives,(TU)Temple University, (UP)University of Pennsylvania Libraries and Archives ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

In a message dated 12/11/2005 9:24:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, b_sgun@magicohio.com writes: I need someone to go and take a look for me for a naturalization of a Jacob Alderman/Alterman/Olterman born 1769-1773 in Moravia, Germany. I understand that he could have taken the oath of allegiance or naturalized there in Philadelphia around 1789. How do you "understand" that he could have taken the oath of allegiance around 1789? Where do you "need someone to go and take a look"? Sndtenterprises "Inside every old person is a young person wondering what the hell happened"

Paul, Many Public Libraries offer "free" access to Heritage Quest (as well as other sites) - so long as you have a library card from that Library. Herb eile wrote: > A Pennsylvania club that I am thinking on joining offers free access > to Heritage Quest as part of their $35 membership. That seems too > good to be true. > > I have used Ancestry only, which I think costs around $200 per annum. > > Are the two services on a par in terms of quality and offerings? > > Thanks. > > Paul > > > ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== > TO CONTACT THE LIST ADMIN, WRITE TO: > PAPHILAD-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

List, I need someone to go and take a look for me for a naturalization of a Jacob Alderman/Alterman/Olterman born 1769-1773 in Moravia, Germany. I understand that he could have taken the oath of allegiance or naturalized there in Philadelphia around 1789. I understand that he possibly came over on the ship'Patsey Rutledge'. Check and see how much photocopies cost and let me know. Mike Trowbridge

If you have access, most Libraries also the LDS FHC have free access to Heritage Quest also Ancestry.com... if $$ are a problem it is much cheaper to go to either if convenient...... ----- Original Message ----- From: <organizr01@aol.com> To: <PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [PAPHL] heritage quest >I think therein lies your answer if censuses are your main interest. All >years are indexed/soundexed on ancestry.com, which is a big plus. > Merle > > -----Original Message----- > From: SCSHISLER@aol.com > To: PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:01:45 EST > Subject: Re: [PAPHL] heritage quest > > > The Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania also offers Heritage Quest as > part > of their membership. Heritage Quest doesn't offer family trees like > Ancestry > does, but it offers access to databases for periodicals, the > Revolutionary > War, and federal census records. I've only used Heritage Quest for > census > records, so I can't say how useful the other area are. However, I've > found it > very useful for tracking individuals via census records. Most years are > indexed, although I've found errors in the way that names were typed into > the > index. All census years will provide you an actual image of census > pages, > which > you can print -- even the years that aren't indexed yet. The years that > aren't indexed can still be accessed, although it's a little more > difficult and > > you have to search from page to page to find someone. If you know the > actual > microfilm reel & page number, it will make a search much easier. > Heritage > Quest even has the 1930 census available, although it's one of the years > that > isn't indexed yet. As far as Heritage Quest and Ancestry being on a par > in > terms of quality and offerings, I think you'll probably have to decide > that for > > yourself (in terms of what you're hoping to get from both services). If > you're hoping to find family trees, then Ancestry is better, with the > caveat > that you don't automatically assume that any tree you find on Ancestry is > accurate merely because it's been posted online. I've seen data posted > on > Ancestry > that I know from my research is incorrect. The biggest mistake I've seen > is > a person who supposedly was born about one hundred years before his > parents > were. However, it can a useful source -- I've also found information > that > I'm fairly confident is accurate. If you're more interested in access to > census records, you might decide that Heritage Quest is a better deal. > > Stephen C. Shisler > > > > ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== > To leave the list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to > mailto:PAPHILAD-L-request@RootsWeb.com for list mode or > mailto:PAPHILAD-D-request@RootsWeb.com for digest mode > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > ______________________________

Ken Murphy wrote: > Can someone help me with the 1930 ED for 2443 Kensington? It should be > in Ward 31, block 9. but the census sheet for ED 51-920 on page 3B > lists 2441, 2445 and 2447. There no addendum at either the end of the > block of the end of the ED. Since Kensington Ave was an ED boundary, > I'm wondering if the census taker recorded it with the even dwelling > numbers across the street. I've found that address in 1920 OK. > > Thx Are you looking for a specific individual? If you are, why not post what information you have and someone will try to help you find him or her? Peggy D. > > > ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== > Keep informed of the latest news and new databases, webpages and > mailing lists at RootsWeb. Subscribe to the weekly RootsWeb Review. > To subscribe, start here: http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

In a message dated 12/11/2005 11:05:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, kmurph@worldnet.att.net writes: Can someone help me with the 1930 ED for 2443 Kensington? It should be in Ward 31, block 9. but the census sheet for ED 51-920 on page 3B lists 2441, 2445 and 2447. There no addendum at either the end of the block of the end of the ED. Since Kensington Ave was an ED boundary, I'm wondering if the census taker recorded it with the even dwelling numbers across the street. I've found that address in 1920 OK. Thx Much easier to look up a census record if you have a name rather than to start with just a page number. Send me the name and I'll see what I can do. Kate

If you are interested in HQ you might check with your county library system. In Chester County, for instance, you can access HQ at no charge if you have a Chester County library card. I don't know what other counties offer this though/

Can someone help me with the 1930 ED for 2443 Kensington? It should be in Ward 31, block 9. but the census sheet for ED 51-920 on page 3B lists 2441, 2445 and 2447. There no addendum at either the end of the block of the end of the ED. Since Kensington Ave was an ED boundary, I'm wondering if the census taker recorded it with the even dwelling numbers across the street. I've found that address in 1920 OK. Thx

City Directories stopped either in 1935 or 1937. Since then telephone directories have been used. Part of the problem is the number of people who had phones back then. My parents did, because we had a store, but many did not. City directories tried to cover everybody and may have made it. Elizabeth C eile wrote: > Can someone tell me the difference between Philly City Directories and > Philly Telephone Directories? > > The city directories starting in 1880 (the first year that I know > about) seem to run every year, but the old telephone directories seem > to run every five years. > > When I asked the Philly Free Library to search city directories, they > actually searched telephone directories, so I am unsure about what is > what. > > Can someone bring me some light? > > Thanks. > > Paul > > > ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== > To leave the list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to > mailto:PAPHILAD-L-request@RootsWeb.com for list mode or > mailto:PAPHILAD-D-request@RootsWeb.com for digest mode > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > >