In a message dated 1/14/2006 3:11:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, fjoneil@cox.net writes: This is a broad based question. There are a lot of on-line fee based research services out there and as I am retired and on very limited income I would like to poll other researchers as to their opinion where one would get the most "BANG" for their dollar. Any and all advise will be most appreciated. FJO --- Please reply privately and not on the list if you wish to comment to the poster on this subject. In the past I've learned that there are as many opinions as there are people wanting to comment about this and not all opinions are well-based in factual information--and discussion soon turns into argument and gets out of hand. All of the above is in addition to the fact that the discussion goes beyond the scope of this list's subject matter. Thanks! Joan, admin PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com

Sorry Joan, FJO : < ( ----- Original Message ----- From: <JYoung6180@aol.com> To: <PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [PAPHL] research sites -- ADMIN > > In a message dated 1/14/2006 3:11:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, > fjoneil@cox.net writes: > > This is a broad based question. There are a lot of on-line fee based > research services out there and as I am retired and on very limited > income I would > like to poll other researchers > as to their opinion where one would get the most "BANG" for their dollar. > Any and all advise will be most appreciated. > FJO > > > > --- > Please reply privately and not on the list if you wish to comment to the > poster on this subject. In the past I've learned that there are as many > opinions as there are people wanting to comment about this and not all > opinions are > well-based in factual information--and discussion soon turns into > argument > and gets out of hand. > > All of the above is in addition to the fact that the discussion goes > beyond > the scope of this list's subject matter. > > Thanks! > > Joan, admin > PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com > > > ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== > FREE: Upload your GEDCOM to WorldConnect > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

In a message dated 01 13 2006 9:01:01 PM, PAPHILAD-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Try City Directories or phone books (I'm not sure when phone books started). >> oooooooooooooooo City directories run from 1700's to 1935-36. Phone books started in late 1800's but arent usefull till much later. Milton E. Botwinick [professional genealogist] botwinick@aol.com botwinick@alumni.rowan.edu MEBotwinick@alumni.temple.edu http://hometown.aol.com/botwinick/myhomepage/index.html

Martin Rafter Birthplace: Ireland State: PA Age: 28 Color: W Enumeration District: 0079 Visit: 0218 County: Philadelphia, Philadelphia Relation: Head of Household Other Residents: Relation Name Age Birth Place Wife Sarah 27 Ireland Daughter Mary NR Pennsylvania 1910 - he and his wife Sarah were living at 117 Cherry Street (rear) with their daughter Mary who was 11 months old. Martin is listed as 28 and Sarah is 27. They married 2 years prior to the census and Mary was their only child. Martin was a porter at a grocery store. Martin and Sarah were both born in Ireland and Mary was born in PA. They were living in the 6th Ward and can be found in ED 79, Sheet 10B. He registered for the draft as Martin Rafter living at 1410 S. Taylor, Philadelphia, Pa. He was 25 years old having been born November 9, 1882. He worked for Baldwin Locomotive at 15th and Spring Garden, married to Sarah. I can not read what he did at Baldwin. He was described as being of medium height and medium build I don't see them in 1920............. >From: Margaret Dodd <bohunk@PTD.net> >Reply-To: PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com >To: PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PAPHL] census lookup >Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:31:27 -0500 > >Frank O'Neil wrote: > >>Sorry if the data I have is vague but it is all I have to go on. >>Looking for Martin Rafter & Sarah Rafter, They were both born in Ireland >>and lived in the south Philly area from 1900 forward. Any help will be >>appreciated. >>Frank >> >> >The only Martin Rafter married to Sarah I could find was in the 1930 census >in Philly. >They lived at 1545 Marston St. in So. Philadelphia at that time. >Don't know if this is them. >Martin- head- age 47- born Ireland. Came to the US in 1908. was >naturalized. >Sarah- wife- age 46- born Ireland- Came to the US in 1922.- was >naturalized. >Mary- d. - age 20- born Pa. as were all below. >John- s- age 19 >Charles- s. age 17 >Elizabeth- d. - age 15 >Eugene ?- s.- age 14 ( hard to read) >Catherine d. - age 11 >William- s.- age 9 >Nellie Birronia?- grand daughter - age 2 - ( hard to read) >Charles- grandson - age 2 months > >Peggy D. > >> >>==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== >>Helpful abbreviations: (APS)American Philosophical Society, [ARI]Annenberg >>Research Institute,(BI)Balch Institute,[DU] Drexel University Library, >>FLP)Free Library of Philadelphia, [GHS] Germantown Historical Society, >>GSP)Genealogical Society of PA, (HSP)Historical Society of PA, LC)Library >>Company, [NARS] National Archives Regional Branch-Philadelphia, >>PCA)Philadelphia City Archives,(PCH)Philadelphia City Hall, >>(PJAC)Philadelphia Jewish Archives Center, (RWA)Register of Wills >>Archives,(TU)Temple University, (UP)University of Pennsylvania Libraries >>and Archives >> >>============================== >>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> >> > > > >==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== >FREE: Search the SSDI [Social Security Death Index] >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi > >============================== >New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors >at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: >http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

This is a broad based question. There are a lot of on-line fee based research services out there and as I am retired and on very limited income I would like to poll other researchers as to their opinion where one would get the most "BANG" for their dollar. Any and all advise will be most appreciated. FJO

Frank O'Neil wrote: >Sorry if the data I have is vague but it is all I have to go on. >Looking for Martin Rafter & Sarah Rafter, They were both born in Ireland and lived in the south Philly area from 1900 forward. Any help will be appreciated. >Frank > > The only Martin Rafter married to Sarah I could find was in the 1930 census in Philly. They lived at 1545 Marston St. in So. Philadelphia at that time. Don't know if this is them. Martin- head- age 47- born Ireland. Came to the US in 1908. was naturalized. Sarah- wife- age 46- born Ireland- Came to the US in 1922.- was naturalized. Mary- d. - age 20- born Pa. as were all below. John- s- age 19 Charles- s. age 17 Elizabeth- d. - age 15 Eugene ?- s.- age 14 ( hard to read) Catherine d. - age 11 William- s.- age 9 Nellie Birronia?- grand daughter - age 2 - ( hard to read) Charles- grandson - age 2 months Peggy D. > >==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== >Helpful abbreviations: (APS)American Philosophical Society, >[ARI]Annenberg Research Institute,(BI)Balch Institute,[DU] Drexel University Library, FLP)Free Library of Philadelphia, [GHS] Germantown Historical Society, GSP)Genealogical Society of PA, (HSP)Historical Society of PA, LC)Library Company, [NARS] National Archives Regional Branch-Philadelphia, PCA)Philadelphia City Archives,(PCH)Philadelphia City Hall, (PJAC)Philadelphia Jewish Archives Center, (RWA)Register of Wills Archives,(TU)Temple University, (UP)University of Pennsylvania Libraries and Archives > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > >

Please re-mail the page from Ancestry. I had it then it disappeared, DUH!! Thanks again--Frank O'Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: <JAEgo2@aol.com> To: <PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [PAPHL] census lookup > Okay- I think I found your Martin & Sarah in 1930. I tried to e-mail you > the > page from Ancestry.com. I am not sure that it went through. Let me know > if > you got it. Now that I have some more info, I will try the other years > again. > > Janet > > > ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== > Helpful abbreviations: (APS)American Philosophical Society, > [ARI]Annenberg Research Institute,(BI)Balch Institute,[DU] Drexel > University Library, FLP)Free Library of Philadelphia, [GHS] Germantown > Historical Society, GSP)Genealogical Society of PA, (HSP)Historical > Society of PA, LC)Library Company, [NARS] National Archives Regional > Branch-Philadelphia, PCA)Philadelphia City Archives,(PCH)Philadelphia City > Hall, (PJAC)Philadelphia Jewish Archives Center, (RWA)Register of Wills > Archives,(TU)Temple University, (UP)University of Pennsylvania Libraries > and Archives > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

I was wondering if anyone has seen a marriage announcement in the Public Ledger for a marriage between Benjamin Hart Brown and Phebe Wilkinson which took place 20 September 1838 at Trinity Oxford Church, Philadelphia Co., Pennsylvania. Thank you, Donna

There is a lot of good information on the following sites. _http://www.brynmawr.edu/iconog/bkdr.html_ (http://www.brynmawr.edu/iconog/bkdr.html) _http://www.brynmawr.edu/iconog/mrn/mlist.html_ (http://www.brynmawr.edu/iconog/mrn/mlist.html) _http://www.brynmawr.edu/iconog/nwl/Newell.html_ (http://www.brynmawr.edu/iconog/nwl/Newell.html) _http://www.brynmawr.edu/iconog/frdr.html#full_ (http://www.brynmawr.edu/iconog/frdr.html#full)

Disregard previous mail, I found the census data you sent, Thanks again ,FJO ----- Original Message ----- From: <JAEgo2@aol.com> To: <PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [PAPHL] census lookup > Okay- I think I found your Martin & Sarah in 1930. I tried to e-mail you > the > page from Ancestry.com. I am not sure that it went through. Let me know > if > you got it. Now that I have some more info, I will try the other years > again. > > Janet > > > ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== > Helpful abbreviations: (APS)American Philosophical Society, > [ARI]Annenberg Research Institute,(BI)Balch Institute,[DU] Drexel > University Library, FLP)Free Library of Philadelphia, [GHS] Germantown > Historical Society, GSP)Genealogical Society of PA, (HSP)Historical > Society of PA, LC)Library Company, [NARS] National Archives Regional > Branch-Philadelphia, PCA)Philadelphia City Archives,(PCH)Philadelphia City > Hall, (PJAC)Philadelphia Jewish Archives Center, (RWA)Register of Wills > Archives,(TU)Temple University, (UP)University of Pennsylvania Libraries > and Archives > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

All 1800s ZIEGLER Catharina, 3/25/63 Chas. Henry, 2/13/58 Geo. J., 4/25/65 Harry Z, 9/13/62 Henry S, 5/17/53 James A, 1/31/52 John, 3/29/62 John E, 12/19/61 Louis, 10/10/54 Mathias, 7/23/59 Philip K, 10/21/57 Samuel W, 3/30/58, 7/23/59 William F, 2/4/65 ZEIGLER Amanda, 4/5/64 Chas, 2/2/60 John J, 10/27/55 Louisa, 4/1/57 RINK Elizabeth, 9/16/56 Elizabeth S, 12/26/61 John W, 4/1/63 Julia, 11/7/62 Joseph. 6/2/63 Lizzie W, 2/23/61 RITER George, 8/19/57 Gilbert, 7/6/53 Harriet Alice, 1/21/61 Maria, 2/12/56 QUACKENBUSH Benjamin, 6/22/60 Mary O, 6/22/60 OTTO Anna, 11/7/57 Charles W, 3/15/56 Robert R, 4/28/53, 5/2/53 That is all the info I have Bill Pallatt

Janet, as of 6 pm my time in Cal. I did not receive the page you said that you sent. Please retry when you have time. Thanks very much and have a good week-end. Frank O'Neil ----- Original Message ----- From: <JAEgo2@aol.com> To: <PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [PAPHL] census lookup > Okay- I think I found your Martin & Sarah in 1930. I tried to e-mail you > the > page from Ancestry.com. I am not sure that it went through. Let me know > if > you got it. Now that I have some more info, I will try the other years > again. > > Janet > > > ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== > Helpful abbreviations: (APS)American Philosophical Society, > [ARI]Annenberg Research Institute,(BI)Balch Institute,[DU] Drexel > University Library, FLP)Free Library of Philadelphia, [GHS] Germantown > Historical Society, GSP)Genealogical Society of PA, (HSP)Historical > Society of PA, LC)Library Company, [NARS] National Archives Regional > Branch-Philadelphia, PCA)Philadelphia City Archives,(PCH)Philadelphia City > Hall, (PJAC)Philadelphia Jewish Archives Center, (RWA)Register of Wills > Archives,(TU)Temple University, (UP)University of Pennsylvania Libraries > and Archives > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Okay- I think I found your Martin & Sarah in 1930. I tried to e-mail you the page from Ancestry.com. I am not sure that it went through. Let me know if you got it. Now that I have some more info, I will try the other years again. Janet

I can find a Martin married to a Catherine in Phila and a Sarah married to a John in Phila (all born in Ireland), but not Martin and Sarah. Do you know any of their children's names? Maybe I can find them that way. Janet

As late as 1933 there was a Danish (United Danish Synod ) Church located at 1950 N. Judson St. Does anyone know if it still exists and if not where its records might be located? Thanks for all help. I do not have Philadelphia directories or phone books at my disposal. sjkjaer@comcast.net

Why do you think that he was in the military? Do you have a source? In a message dated 1/13/2006 12:06:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, DCuillard@aol.com writes: I have Benjamin Hart Brown, born 5 June 1800 and died January 27, 1848 in Oxford Township, Philadelphia Co., Pennsylvania. Does anyone know of any military service that might apply to this time period? I am seeking information on his parents, siblings, etc. Philadelphia Research

There was an Oxford Township in Philadelphia at that time. It was in the area of the present day Northwood neighborhood and Frankford High School. What is now Oxford Ave. was the main street. It was separated from Bristol Twp., Philadelphia, by the Tacony Creek. Sndtenterprises Genealogical and Historical Research

Donna: Two Indian Wars that come to mind, are the "Black Hawk War" in the No. Central states, and the "Florida Seminole Wars". The first war mentioned, was during the presidential term of Andrew Jackson, as was the First Seminole War, in about 1823. The Second Seminole War was in the mid 1830's, (Chief Oseola and the Dade County Militia, as well as U.S. Army troops). Suggest you check "Google", and type in, "Seminole Indian Wars" and "Black Hawk War". Lew in Co.

In a message dated 1/13/2006 1:45:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, Blubayou@Gulftel.com writes: I believe Oxford Township is in Chester County, Pa. Not Philadelphia County. --- There is an Oxford Twp. in Chester County but there is also an Oxford section of Philadelphia too. Joan

Sounds like he was too young for the War of 1812 and probably too old for the Mexican War. But he could have served in the military without being in a war. And there were some indian wars, e.g., the Black Hawk War of 1832, and battles during that time frame. Alice J. Gayley Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <DCuillard@aol.com> To: <PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 11:04 AM Subject: [PAPHL] Possible Military 1800-1848 > I have Benjamin Hart Brown, born 5 June 1800 and died January 27, 1848 in > Oxford Township, Philadelphia Co., Pennsylvania. > Does anyone know of any military service that might apply to this time > period? > I am seeking information on his parents, siblings, etc. > Thank you, > Donna Cuillard > > > ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== > Helpful abbreviations: (APS)American Philosophical Society, > [ARI]Annenberg Research Institute,(BI)Balch Institute,[DU] Drexel University Library, FLP)Free Library of Philadelphia, [GHS] Germantown Historical Society, GSP)Genealogical Society of PA, (HSP)Historical Society of PA, LC)Library Company, [NARS] National Archives Regional Branch-Philadelphia, PCA)Philadelphia City Archives,(PCH)Philadelphia City Hall, (PJAC)Philadelphia Jewish Archives Center, (RWA)Register of Wills Archives,(TU)Temple University, (UP)University of Pennsylvania Libraries and Archives > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >