Hi, I'm trying to track down the elusive GGGrandfather. I found him in Lower Dublin in 1850 and I found the same "name" in Pine Ward in the 1840 census'. As I understand neither of these areas are there anymore. Jacqui

Thank you, again. Jacqui

Thank you, this really helps. Jacqui

Thank you, this helps considerably. Jacqui

I'm not familiar with the geography of Philadelphia, but from my Civil War naval research, League Island was the site of (or near) the Philadelphia Navy Yard. KateP215@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/19/2006 9:16:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, > cookiebrown11@gmail.com writes: > Milton, > > The reason I asked was I am looking for the church where my Great > Grandparents may have attended or at least the name so I can locate the > records. The info given to me said that they went to the German Luthern > church on Island. The source has since died so I can't clearify. These > prople lived on Race Street; 874 Franklin St; 733 North 7th St; 3534 N > Warnock St. From what I can tell they seem to be in the same general area. > I was trying to nail down the German Luthern Church part of the message. > > Any further help will be appriciated. Ann > Good Morning, Ann, > > >From the addresses you give: Race Street, 874 Franklin St and 733 N 7th St > are all within a few blocks of each other. If you are familiar with "City > Blocks" Then, 3534 N Warnock St is aprox 28 City Blocks North of the area where > the other houses are. It seems to me that the logical church would be St > Michael's German Lutheran Church, SE corner of 5th and Cherry Streets. This would > put it about 3 or 4 blocks from all three of the above addresses. (Cherry St > runs East and West as does Race Street and Franklin and 7th Street runs North > and South like 5th Street does). The whole area had been torn down to make > way for the Independence Hall/Liberty Bell building. (I will be on 4th Street > and will drive up 5th St and try to get a few pictures of the area today for > you.) If St Michael's is their church then I have a picture of it that I will > send. > > Kate > > > ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== > TO CONTACT THE LIST ADMIN, WRITE TO: > PAPHILAD-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- Alice J. Gayley Pennsylvania in the Civil War http://www.pa-roots.com/~pacw/

In a message dated 3/19/2006 9:16:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, cookiebrown11@gmail.com writes: Milton, The reason I asked was I am looking for the church where my Great Grandparents may have attended or at least the name so I can locate the records. The info given to me said that they went to the German Luthern church on Island. The source has since died so I can't clearify. These prople lived on Race Street; 874 Franklin St; 733 North 7th St; 3534 N Warnock St. From what I can tell they seem to be in the same general area. I was trying to nail down the German Luthern Church part of the message. Any further help will be appriciated. Ann Good Morning, Ann, From the addresses you give: Race Street, 874 Franklin St and 733 N 7th St are all within a few blocks of each other. If you are familiar with "City Blocks" Then, 3534 N Warnock St is aprox 28 City Blocks North of the area where the other houses are. It seems to me that the logical church would be St Michael's German Lutheran Church, SE corner of 5th and Cherry Streets. This would put it about 3 or 4 blocks from all three of the above addresses. (Cherry St runs East and West as does Race Street and Franklin and 7th Street runs North and South like 5th Street does). The whole area had been torn down to make way for the Independence Hall/Liberty Bell building. (I will be on 4th Street and will drive up 5th St and try to get a few pictures of the area today for you.) If St Michael's is their church then I have a picture of it that I will send. Kate

Contact the cemetery, they will probably know of a stone mason what will provide the cross. And I have seen them at Holy Cross. Kate In a message dated 3/19/2006 9:11:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, eile@comcast.net writes: am wanting to place a Celtic cross over the unmarked grave of an Irish relative in Holy Cross. Would anyone be aware of any Philly-area makers of Celtic crosses? I hope this is not too off-topic. Thanks. best, Paul ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== TO CONTACT THE LIST ADMIN, WRITE TO: PAPHILAD-admin@rootsweb.com

Paul, Check the rules of the cemetery before you spend your money. Many cemeteries, and I suspect Holy Cross is among them, will not allow you to do that. It may seem harsh, but they have to set rules in order to maintain the grounds. Regards, Mary McCanney Finley ----- Original Message ----- From: "eile" <eile@comcast.net> To: <PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: [PAPHL] cemetery >I am wanting to place a Celtic cross over the unmarked grave of an Irish >relative in Holy Cross. > > Would anyone be aware of any Philly-area makers of Celtic crosses? > > I hope this is not too off-topic. > > Thanks. > > best, > Paul > > > ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== > TO CONTACT THE LIST ADMIN, WRITE TO: > PAPHILAD-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Milton, The reason I asked was I am looking for the church where my Great Grandparents may have attended or at least the name so I can locate the records. The info given to me said that they went to the German Luthern church on Island. The source has since died so I can't clearify. These prople lived on Race Street; 874 Franklin St; 733 North 7th St; 3534 N Warnock St. From what I can tell they seem to be in the same general area. I was trying to nail down the German Luthern Church part of the message. Any further help will be appriciated. Ann On 3/19/06, Botwinick@aol.com <Botwinick@aol.com> wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/19/06 20:05:11, PAPHILAD-D-request@rootsweb.comwrites: > > << The only Island I know of is an avenue very far south in Philadelphia, > > > next to the airport. There are no normally used islands in > > > Philadelphia, with the possible exception of Hog Island.... >> > > oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo > > How about League Island? > > There were some Islands that have been filled in around Fort Mifflin near > the > airport. > > > Milton E. Botwinick [professional genealogist] botwinick@aol.com > botwinick@alumni.rowan.edu MEBotwinick@alumni.temple.edu > http://hometown.aol.com/botwinick/myhomepage/index.html > > > ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== > FREE: unlimited webspace! > http://freepages.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > -- Ann Brown " Cookie"

In a message dated 3/19/06 20:05:11, PAPHILAD-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << The only Island I know of is an avenue very far south in Philadelphia, > > next to the airport. There are no normally used islands in > > Philadelphia, with the possible exception of Hog Island.... >> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo How about League Island? There were some Islands that have been filled in around Fort Mifflin near the airport. Milton E. Botwinick [professional genealogist] botwinick@aol.com botwinick@alumni.rowan.edu MEBotwinick@alumni.temple.edu http://hometown.aol.com/botwinick/myhomepage/index.html

Thank you wanda but I have no idea what that means. I am not familiar with Philadelphia at all. I went to see the Liberty Bell when I was 10 and had someone from AAA talk me into Mt Moriah in 2003. They are my only experiences with the city. Thanks for the thoughts. I can google thoes streets though. Ann On 3/19/06, Wanda Bradley <wandadonie@comcast.net> wrote: > > 874 Franklin around Girard Ave and 3534 N. Warnock is further north near > Erie Ave. > > Wanda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ann Brown > To: PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:40 PM > Subject: Re: [PAPHL] Looking for a Church > > > Would this be near 733 North Street or 16 N. 6th and where would b > 874 Franklin or 3534 N.Warnock st. > > These were the addresses that I have on the family between 1890 and > 1910. I > don't know if you got the email where I said I was looking for the German > Luthern Church that they may have attended. or atleast the name so I > could > locate the records. > > Ann > in Florida > > > On 3/19/06, phillylorri <phillylorri@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > There is a Island rd in west phila, near 7300 Woodland ave. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Elizabeth Cunningham" <drybones@netreach.net> > > To: <PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 1:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [PAPHL] Looking for a Church > > > > > > > The only Island I know of is an avenue very far south in Philadelphia, > > > next to the airport. There are no normally used islands in > > > Philadelphia, with the possible exception of Hog Island, where I think > > > there used to be a shipbuilding facility. > > > > > > The problem with my explanation is that there were a lot of name > changes > > > to streets in Philadelphia in the 1880's and 90's, to eliminate > > > duplicate names. The City and County got the same boundaries about > > > 1854, which resulted in duplicate street names like "Mill" because of > > > the different little settlements in the county that had been built up. > > > The Post Office or somebody forced removal of a great many of the > > > duplicate names. So there may have been another Island Street or > > > Avenue or Road, though I seriously doubt it. I don't know of any > > > settlements with the word "Island" in them, either. > > > > > > Elizabeth C > > > > > > Ann Brown wrote: > > > > > > >Elizabeth, > > > > > > > >We were talking about a church at /on Island. is that a real Island > or > > a > > > >street? > > > > > > > > Ann > > > > > > > > > > > >On 3/17/06, Elizabeth Cunningham <drybones@netreach.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Island is pretty far south from north 7th. At least the current > > Island > > > >>is -- there may have been one further north in 1890. I have an 1878 > > > >>Public Ledger Almanac which has an English Lutheran Church at Race > > below > > > >>Sixth (St John's), and St Luke's (4th above Girard),. German > Lutheran > > > >>St Jacobus, 3rd and Columbia (where I think my grandmother went -at > > > >>about the same period), and another German Lutheran at Franklin > below > > > >>Vine. Street numbers evidently came in after 1878. I am not sure > > > >>where all of these are or were, exactly, but they should be within a > > > >>mile or 2 of 733 north 7th. > > > >> > > > >> Elizabeth C > > > >> > > > >>Ann Brown wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>List members that Know Philly > > > >>> > > > >>>I am trying to figure out where my Ggrandparents may have attended > > church > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>in > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>Philly. 1890 they lived at 733 North 7th Street and his Pipe and > > tobacco > > > >>>store was at 16 North 6th. I'm figuring that they went to church > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>somewhere > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>near by. A note I have says they may have lived on Race St. but I > > think > > > >>>that was in 1910. They attended a German Luthern Church on > > Island? 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874 Franklin around Girard Ave and 3534 N. Warnock is further north near Erie Ave. Wanda ----- Original Message ----- From: Ann Brown To: PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [PAPHL] Looking for a Church Would this be near 733 North Street or 16 N. 6th and where would b 874 Franklin or 3534 N.Warnock st. These were the addresses that I have on the family between 1890 and 1910. I don't know if you got the email where I said I was looking for the German Luthern Church that they may have attended. or atleast the name so I could locate the records. Ann in Florida On 3/19/06, phillylorri <phillylorri@earthlink.net> wrote: > > There is a Island rd in west phila, near 7300 Woodland ave. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth Cunningham" <drybones@netreach.net> > To: <PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 1:04 PM > Subject: Re: [PAPHL] Looking for a Church > > > > The only Island I know of is an avenue very far south in Philadelphia, > > next to the airport. There are no normally used islands in > > Philadelphia, with the possible exception of Hog Island, where I think > > there used to be a shipbuilding facility. > > > > The problem with my explanation is that there were a lot of name changes > > to streets in Philadelphia in the 1880's and 90's, to eliminate > > duplicate names. The City and County got the same boundaries about > > 1854, which resulted in duplicate street names like "Mill" because of > > the different little settlements in the county that had been built up. > > The Post Office or somebody forced removal of a great many of the > > duplicate names. So there may have been another Island Street or > > Avenue or Road, though I seriously doubt it. I don't know of any > > settlements with the word "Island" in them, either. > > > > Elizabeth C > > > > Ann Brown wrote: > > > > >Elizabeth, > > > > > >We were talking about a church at /on Island. is that a real Island or > a > > >street? > > > > > > Ann > > > > > > > > >On 3/17/06, Elizabeth Cunningham <drybones@netreach.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Island is pretty far south from north 7th. At least the current > Island > > >>is -- there may have been one further north in 1890. I have an 1878 > > >>Public Ledger Almanac which has an English Lutheran Church at Race > below > > >>Sixth (St John's), and St Luke's (4th above Girard),. German Lutheran > > >>St Jacobus, 3rd and Columbia (where I think my grandmother went -at > > >>about the same period), and another German Lutheran at Franklin below > > >>Vine. Street numbers evidently came in after 1878. I am not sure > > >>where all of these are or were, exactly, but they should be within a > > >>mile or 2 of 733 north 7th. > > >> > > >> Elizabeth C > > >> > > >>Ann Brown wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>List members that Know Philly > > >>> > > >>>I am trying to figure out where my Ggrandparents may have attended > church > > >>> > > >>> > > >>in > > >> > > >> > > >>>Philly. 1890 they lived at 733 North 7th Street and his Pipe and > tobacco > > >>>store was at 16 North 6th. I'm figuring that they went to church > > >>> > > >>> > > >>somewhere > > >> > > >> > > >>>near by. A note I have says they may have lived on Race St. but I > think > > >>>that was in 1910. They attended a German Luthern Church on > Island? Can > > >>>anyone help me with this one ? > > >>> > > >>> Ann > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>-- > > >>>Ann Brown " Cookie" > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== > > >>>FREE: unlimited webspace! > > >>>http://freepages.rootsweb.com/ > > >>> > > >>>============================== > > >>>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > the > > >>>areas they lived. 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Would this be near 733 North Street or 16 N. 6th and where would b 874 Franklin or 3534 N.Warnock st. These were the addresses that I have on the family between 1890 and 1910. I don't know if you got the email where I said I was looking for the German Luthern Church that they may have attended. or atleast the name so I could locate the records. Ann in Florida On 3/19/06, phillylorri <phillylorri@earthlink.net> wrote: > > There is a Island rd in west phila, near 7300 Woodland ave. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth Cunningham" <drybones@netreach.net> > To: <PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 1:04 PM > Subject: Re: [PAPHL] Looking for a Church > > > > The only Island I know of is an avenue very far south in Philadelphia, > > next to the airport. There are no normally used islands in > > Philadelphia, with the possible exception of Hog Island, where I think > > there used to be a shipbuilding facility. > > > > The problem with my explanation is that there were a lot of name changes > > to streets in Philadelphia in the 1880's and 90's, to eliminate > > duplicate names. The City and County got the same boundaries about > > 1854, which resulted in duplicate street names like "Mill" because of > > the different little settlements in the county that had been built up. > > The Post Office or somebody forced removal of a great many of the > > duplicate names. So there may have been another Island Street or > > Avenue or Road, though I seriously doubt it. I don't know of any > > settlements with the word "Island" in them, either. > > > > Elizabeth C > > > > Ann Brown wrote: > > > > >Elizabeth, > > > > > >We were talking about a church at /on Island. is that a real Island or > a > > >street? > > > > > > Ann > > > > > > > > >On 3/17/06, Elizabeth Cunningham <drybones@netreach.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Island is pretty far south from north 7th. At least the current > Island > > >>is -- there may have been one further north in 1890. I have an 1878 > > >>Public Ledger Almanac which has an English Lutheran Church at Race > below > > >>Sixth (St John's), and St Luke's (4th above Girard),. German Lutheran > > >>St Jacobus, 3rd and Columbia (where I think my grandmother went -at > > >>about the same period), and another German Lutheran at Franklin below > > >>Vine. Street numbers evidently came in after 1878. I am not sure > > >>where all of these are or were, exactly, but they should be within a > > >>mile or 2 of 733 north 7th. > > >> > > >> Elizabeth C > > >> > > >>Ann Brown wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>List members that Know Philly > > >>> > > >>>I am trying to figure out where my Ggrandparents may have attended > church > > >>> > > >>> > > >>in > > >> > > >> > > >>>Philly. 1890 they lived at 733 North 7th Street and his Pipe and > tobacco > > >>>store was at 16 North 6th. I'm figuring that they went to church > > >>> > > >>> > > >>somewhere > > >> > > >> > > >>>near by. A note I have says they may have lived on Race St. but I > think > > >>>that was in 1910. They attended a German Luthern Church on > Island? Can > > >>>anyone help me with this one ? > > >>> > > >>> Ann > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>-- > > >>>Ann Brown " Cookie" > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== > > >>>FREE: unlimited webspace! > > >>>http://freepages.rootsweb.com/ > > >>> > > >>>============================== > > >>>Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > the > > >>>areas they lived. 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Found this site that contains a listing of Philadelphia neighborhood names which might come in handy at times. http://www.phila.gov/PHILS/Docs/otherinfo/placname.htm Jim Cullen

Just for what it's worth, I would phone the police dept and ask them. I know it may be long distance but it will work better than anything else. Unless you have an email address. Thoes seem to be working pretty good these days. Ann in Florida On 3/19/06, Sndtenterprises@aol.com <Sndtenterprises@aol.com> wrote: > > The Urban Archives at Temple U. will have any newspaper article related to > this. > The Freedom of Information Act pertains to certain federal records. > > Sndtenterprises > Genealogical and Historical Research > > > ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== > Helpful abbreviations: (APS)American Philosophical Society, > [ARI]Annenberg Research Institute,(BI)Balch Institute,[DU] Drexel > University Library, FLP)Free Library of Philadelphia, [GHS] Germantown > Historical Society, GSP)Genealogical Society of PA, (HSP)Historical Society > of PA, LC)Library Company, [NARS] National Archives Regional > Branch-Philadelphia, PCA)Philadelphia City Archives,(PCH)Philadelphia City > Hall, (PJAC)Philadelphia Jewish Archives Center, (RWA)Register of Wills > Archives,(TU)Temple University, (UP)University of Pennsylvania Libraries and > Archives > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > -- Ann Brown " Cookie"

Pine Ward was bordered by 7th St. and the Delaware River and Pine St. to Spruce St. Philadelphia Research

Spring Garden District was from Poplar to Vine and from the Schuylkill to 6th St. Philadelphia Research

Lower Dublin Twp. ended when the city and county consolidated in 1854. Many townships, districts and boroughs simply disappeared. Some township and borough names remain as neighborhood names: Frankford, North Liberties, Germantown, Kingsessing and Roxborough are examples of names that have remained. Some that have disappeared are Lower Dublin, Moreland, and Bristol Twp., Philadelphia. Philadelphia Research

This is interesting. What map did you find this on? What year? I grew up in Northeast Philadelphia and never heard of Lower Dublin, so it must have gone out of use before the 1940's anyway. Where I lived was just being built up in the 1920's and 30's, except for Holmesburg, which goes back to the 1700's, and Torresdale. One possiblity is that Lower Dublin referred to a section west of the Boulevard -- sort of where Wilson Junior High is. I lived on Frankford Avenue as a child, just south of Cottman, then we moved north to Holmesburg. Elizabeth C Sndtenterprises@aol.com wrote: >They were far from each other. Lower Dublin was in what is now the middle >Northeast Philadelphia, could be 10 miles from Spring Garden and maybe another >toe to Pine Ward. >If you look at your map of Philadelphia, Cottman Ave. is the southern border >of Lower Dublin and Poplar St. is the northern border of the Spring Garden >District and Spruce St. was the northern border of Pine War, which bordered >the Delaware River. > >Sndtenterprises >Genealogical and Historical Research > > >==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== >FREE: Search the SSDI [Social Security Death Index] >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > >

I think Upper Dublin and Lower Dublin are both in Montgomery County. I would guess the distances are 10 to 20 miles, but I don't know what you mean by Spring Garden (which is a street that goes from the Delaware River west almost to city limits -- it is not a place to my knowledge) nor by Pine Ward. Pine is another street that goes for miles. I have never heard wards referred to by name, only by number. Elizabeth C JacquiBa@aol.com wrote: >Could someone please tell me approximately how far Lower Dublin was from >Spring Garden, both in Phil. Co. > >And also from Lower Dublin to Philadelphia Pine Ward. > >Thank you. > >Jacqui > > >==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== >To leave the list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to >mailto:PAPHILAD-L-request@RootsWeb.com for list mode or >mailto:PAPHILAD-D-request@RootsWeb.com for digest mode > >============================== >Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > >