Joan: In your book of German Pioneers do you show a Samuel George/Georg? or Simon George/Georg or Simon Yearick? Thank you. ginger

In a message dated 3/23/2006 11:15:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, brigham5@msn.com writes: Joan, in the book PA German Pioneers, can you find any references to Georg Justus? Olga --- The only Justus family listed in PA German Pioneers is the family of Johann JUSTUS on the Brig Kathrine arriving in Philadelphia in 1806. The family, in addition to Johann, consists of: Christina Elisabeth, wife of Johann, Johann Coenrad, son, Reinhard, son, Coenrad, son, Maria Catharina, daughter, Christjan, son. Joan

This is what I have on the First Reformed Church..."The patent for the graveyard lot on 14 December 1763 read to "the German reformed Calvinist Congregation of the Hexagon Church built by them in Sassafras [Race] Street" Early Records of the First Reformed Church of Philadelphia, Volume 2, 1781-1800 The "new" Burying-ground was established on Sassafras [Race] Street somewhere 1800, I think. My Justus ancestor was a lot-holder there. His father died in 1791 & is most likely buried in the old cemetery. Olga ----- Original Message ----- From: Patricia Armstrong<mailto:nparmstrong@rogers.com> To: PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 7:31 AM Subject: Fw: RESEARCING CHRISTIAN SCHNEYDER OF PHILADELPHIA - Cemetery Records? > Hi, > > I've had good success in researching Christian Schnyder/Schneider of > Philadelphia. Lately, I've been using records from the First Reformed > Church of Philadelphia, where Christian was living when he died in > 1784 [Sassafras/Race St.]. > > Does anyone know which cemetery was used by that congregation? There > is a reference to "the cemetery" in a microfilm, and it mentions which > church members looked after the cemetery. I also have Christian's > burial record [1784] at First Reformed Church, and that of his son, > Frederick [1793]. The church is/was in Old Philadelphia and they moved > to another location before returning to the original site. I haven't > seen the cemetery mentioned in any lists. There were a few Schneiders registered with the Upper Germantown Burying-Ground when it was new and in 1776. > > Thanks. > > Pat ______________________________

Joan, in the book PA German Pioneers, can you find any references to Georg Justus? Olga ----- Original Message ----- From: JYoung6180@aol.com<mailto:JYoung6180@aol.com> To: PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.co<mailto:PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.co> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [PAPHL] Researching KUHN in 1733 In a message dated 3/22/2006 10:32:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, j_mcconville2002@yahoo.com<mailto:j_mcconville2002@yahoo.com> writes: Hi Joan: The book PA German Pioneers, where can I find it? Warm wishes, Judy I have all three volumes. Volume II contains facimiles of the actual signatures of the men. If you tell me the name you are looking for (males age 16 and over) I can see what listings there for the name. Joan ______________________________

Hi - I have been reviewing films at my FHC for that time-period for Marriages, and see a lot of people filling out what appear to be official forms stating they were married previously.... was there a Law passed about 1860 or so that people had to have a Marriage registered ??? Thanks, Sally----- Original Message ----- From: <PhilaResearch@aol.com> To: <PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [PAPHL] Marriages 1852-1865 > > > There are no official or government marriage records before 1 July 1860 in > Philadelphia. > Marriages before that date must be obtained from other sources: church > records, deeds, wills, published genealogies, etc. > > Philadelphia Research > > In a message dated 3/22/2006 9:49:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > j_mcconville2002@yahoo.com writes: > > What about marriages before the period of 1860? > Judy > > PhilaResearch@aol.com wrote: > Marriages from 1 July 1860 to 30 June 1915 are obtained from the > Philadelphia City Archives. > > > Philadelphia Research > > ______________________________ >

Good morning listers, I have been watching your list for some time now and this will be my first question to you'all. I was wondering if one of you knowledgeable listers has ever come across the following person, he was my Uncle. Carles Clay Messick b. 2 Jan. 1907, d. 8 Jun. 1982 Spouse: Reita elizabeth Lucretia (Mills maiden name) Messick b. 15 Jul. 1904, Carles and Reita Elizabeth were married 9 Jul. 1925. They had 5 children. Anyone with information on Carles or could streer me in the right direction, I would appreciate it very much. You may e-mail me direct if you would like at, wbshort7777@coastalnow.net Thanking you in advance for your time. Bill and Rachelle Short ----- Original Message ----- From: <jrc38@comcast.net> To: <PAPHILAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:20 AM Subject: [PAPHL] Rootsweb Philadelphia willsabst >I found one of my ancestors on this list. How do I go about getting a copy >of the actural will? > > > ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== > FREE: Search the SSDI [Social Security Death Index] > http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

In a message dated 3/22/2006 10:52:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, PhilaResearch@aol.com writes: English citizens who came to America did not have to take an Oath of Allegiance to the King. They were already English subjects. Only non-English citizens took an oath. These oaths were shipped to London. That is exactly what I wrote: "Unless we are talking about the oaths the non-English citizens (males age 16 and over) had to take between 1727 and the Revolution upon arriving in the Port of Philadelphia. " Don't know how to make it any clearer than that. Joan

In a message dated 3/22/2006 10:43:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, PhilaResearch@aol.com writes: They are listed in the book. The Oath, the original, itself, isn't in the German Pioneers book. If the original Oath exists, it is in England. Right--but the text of the oaths is listed in the intro to the book--so you would know the text of the oath the person signed plus who signed it -- from the signatures and ship lists. Joan

In a message dated 3/22/2006 10:32:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, j_mcconville2002@yahoo.com writes: Hi Joan: The book PA German Pioneers, where can I find it? Warm wishes, Judy I have all three volumes. Volume II contains facimiles of the actual signatures of the men. If you tell me the name you are looking for (males age 16 and over) I can see what listings there for the name. Joan

In a message dated 3/22/2006 10:43:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, PhilaResearch@aol.com writes: Unless we are talking about the oaths the non-English citizens (males age 16 and over) had to take between 1727 and the Revolution upon arriving in the Port of Philadelphia. Those are listed in the Pennsylvania German Pioneers book. Joan English citizens who came to America did not have to take an Oath of Allegiance to the King. They were already English subjects. Only non-English citizens took an oath. These oaths were shipped to London. Philadelphia Research

In a message dated 3/22/2006 10:20:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, JYoung6180@aol.com writes: ---- Unless we are talking about the oaths the non-English citizens (males age 16 and over) had to take between 1727 and the Revolution upon arriving in the Port of Philadelphia. Those are listed in the Pennsylvania German Pioneers book. Joan They are listed in the book. The Oath, the original, itself, isn't in the German Pioneers book. If the original Oath exists, it is in England. Philadelphia Research

In a message dated 3/22/2006 9:30:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, PhilaResearch@aol.com writes: If the Oath exists, it is in England. Philadelphia Research ---- Unless we are talking about the oaths the non-English citizens (males age 16 and over) had to take between 1727 and the Revolution upon arriving in the Port of Philadelphia. Those are listed in the Pennsylvania German Pioneers book. Joan

There are no official or government marriage records before 1 July 1860 in Philadelphia. Marriages before that date must be obtained from other sources: church records, deeds, wills, published genealogies, etc. Philadelphia Research In a message dated 3/22/2006 9:49:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, j_mcconville2002@yahoo.com writes: What about marriages before the period of 1860? Judy PhilaResearch@aol.com wrote: Marriages from 1 July 1860 to 30 June 1915 are obtained from the Philadelphia City Archives. Philadelphia Research

Hello Joan: I am looking for Abraham Koen and Fredrick Koen. That is the way their names are spelled on the list I found. Is it possible to get copies of their signatures? If not could you tell me if they put two dots over the "o". Their last name was really KUHN. From what I understand the two dots make a huge differenceon I really appreciate your time and energy. Thank you in advance, Judy JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/22/2006 10:32:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, j_mcconville2002@yahoo.com writes: Hi Joan: The book PA German Pioneers, where can I find it? Warm wishes, Judy I have all three volumes. Volume II contains facimiles of the actual signatures of the men. If you tell me the name you are looking for (males age 16 and over) I can see what listings there for the name. Joan ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== TO CONTACT THE LIST ADMIN, WRITE TO: PAPHILAD-admin@rootsweb.com ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

Hello Joan: I am looking for Abraham Koen and Fredrick Koen. That is the way their names are spelled on the list I found. Is it possible to get copies of their signatures? If not could you tell me if they put two dots over the "o". Their last name was really KUHN. From what I understand the two dots make a huge difference. I really appreciate your time and energy. Thank you in advance, Judy JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/22/2006 10:32:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, j_mcconville2002@yahoo.com writes: Hi Joan: The book PA German Pioneers, where can I find it? Warm wishes, Judy I have all three volumes. Volume II contains facimiles of the actual signatures of the men. If you tell me the name you are looking for (males age 16 and over) I can see what listings there for the name. Joan ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== TO CONTACT THE LIST ADMIN, WRITE TO: PAPHILAD-admin@rootsweb.com ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.

If the Oath exists, it is in England. Philadelphia Research

Hi Joan: The book PA German Pioneers, where can I find it? Warm wishes, Judy JYoung6180@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/22/2006 9:30:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, PhilaResearch@aol.com writes: If the Oath exists, it is in England. Philadelphia Research ---- Unless we are talking about the oaths the non-English citizens (males age 16 and over) had to take between 1727 and the Revolution upon arriving in the Port of Philadelphia. Those are listed in the Pennsylvania German Pioneers book. Joan ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== Keep informed of the latest news and new databases, webpages and mailing lists at RootsWeb. Subscribe to the weekly RootsWeb Review. To subscribe, start here: http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

What about marriages before the period of 1860? Judy PhilaResearch@aol.com wrote: Marriages from 1 July 1860 to 30 June 1915 are obtained from the Philadelphia City Archives. Philadelphia Research ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== Helpful abbreviations: (APS)American Philosophical Society, [ARI]Annenberg Research Institute,(BI)Balch Institute,[DU] Drexel University Library, FLP)Free Library of Philadelphia, [GHS] Germantown Historical Society, GSP)Genealogical Society of PA, (HSP)Historical Society of PA, LC)Library Company, [NARS] National Archives Regional Branch-Philadelphia, PCA)Philadelphia City Archives,(PCH)Philadelphia City Hall, (PJAC)Philadelphia Jewish Archives Center, (RWA)Register of Wills Archives,(TU)Temple University, (UP)University of Pennsylvania Libraries and Archives ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.

Wow, I guess I need to go back and due a little research on my history! So.....if the Oath of Allegiance is all there is, is that document available? Warm wishes, Judy PhilaResearch@aol.com wrote: The US did not exist in 1733. The Oath of Allegiance was taken to the King of England. There is no Declaration of Intent nor Naturalization Papers before the ratification of the Constitution. The Oath of Allegiance is all there is. ==== PAPHILAD Mailing List ==== FREE: Upload your GEDCOM to WorldConnect http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates.

I found one of my ancestors on this list. How do I go about getting a copy of the actural will?