Carolyn: Are you saying that there were no Indians in the area at all around 1854/1855? I really do appreciate all you have tried for me.People like you are a rare find in the world today. Thank You so Much Angela wilkins nee Grimes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn K Shearer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [PA-Perry] indian great grand mother > I doubt very much if you will find any record of her birth in Perry > County, or elsewhere in PA for that matter as births were not registered on > either the state or county level til much later. > 1.Do you have any idea of the tribe? > 2. Have you checked on www.cyndislist.com under "Indians" > 3. Perhaps there are some clues in the song that your uncle sings. Could > you transcribe it? Perhaps someone would recognize it and tell you more > about the origins. > You said that Olive was 'not white' in 1870 - was a race indicated? I > assume you know that Mulatto in the census meant any mix - white and black, > black and indian, white and indian, and often was simply what the census > taker thought they might be, not what the family themselves reported. > Circa 1854 is late for Indians to be in Perry County. I do not know of > any Indian settlements in that part of PA that late. There was still a > great amount of prejudice against the Indians then- it was less than 100 > years after many massacres in the area. If you can find a good county > history, you should try reading it very carefully for clues to see if there > were any families left in the area. > I read all of Liverpool Borough and Liverpool Twp in the 1850 census. No > nonwhites in the Borough, 15 nonwhites/blacks in the township, none with any > name close to Manuel or Emanuel. > As there is a Liverpool Station across the river in Dauphin County I also > checked there. Several Emanuel families but the older ones are born in > Germany. > Sorry this has not been much help. The only other thing I can think of > that you might try is to order the 1860 Perry County census from LDS or thru > your local library system and read all the families in Liverpool and close > by. > Let me know if I can be of any further help. > Carolyn > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

There may have been Indians in the area, but I can not remember reading about any. None appear on the 1850 census of either Liverpool or Liverpool Twp, but there are 15 persons in the township indicated as 'black.' As 'white' or 'black' were the only two choices for race in 1850, it is possible that some of the people indicated as 'black' in the township could have been Indian. I have seen the census takers handle it that way in other places.

I think historically ( although I could be wrong) "black" did not mean the same as today. They would have said negro or colored. I believe that the term 'black' was either black-Irish or blackfeet as in Indian, and I am not sure that the black feet tribe were in the area. 'black' as a reference for Africa-American is a fairly recent term. Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn K Shearer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [PA-Perry] indian great grand mother > There may have been Indians in the area, but I can not remember reading > about any. None appear on the 1850 census of either Liverpool or Liverpool > Twp, but there are 15 persons in the township indicated as 'black.' As > 'white' or 'black' were the only two choices for race in 1850, it is > possible that some of the people indicated as 'black' in the township could > have been Indian. I have seen the census takers handle it that way in other > places. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Have you seen this query posted last year by [email protected] ? "Searching for the family of William Henry(?) Shelle)y(51) living in Buffalo Twp., Perry Co, PA, in 1910 with wife, Effie(30); daughters, Myrtle(8), Arsula(3), and Fanny(1). His older sons, William C.(24)(wife Agnes) and Clarence(18) also found in 1910 in Perry County, PA. Talking with an aunt, she believes this line goes back to an Indian tribe in Perry County - possibly Cherokee. Anyone know of this tribe or these Shell(e)y's? Any/all help gratefully appreciated." Maybe she has more information by now.

Angela - Rootsweb for Perry County has the 1870 census index. Have you checked this out? Manuel Isaac 159 Manuel Rebecca 155