This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/odB.2ACI/427.1.1.1 Message Board Post: There are Smees, Souders and Shattos buried in Old Dutch Cemetery with my Millers, Fenicals/Fengels and Shades. I have the cemetery records if you would like for me to check. (Are they online in Perry County genweb?) Does anyone know when the published records were transcribed? There is no date in th Closson Press book. I am looking for grave of Adam Fengel/Fenical/ Finicle et al, husband of Justina Miller Fengel (1760-1830) who is buried in Old Dutch. They were married 1779, Tulpehocken, Berks County. I have more on the Millers, Fengels, and Shades if anyone is connected.

I have been busy posting obits, births & marriages to http://www.pa-roots.com so far I have posted to Perry, Cumberland & Dauphin. Today I posted C. R. Egolf's obit. Judy ===== Judy Warner Bookwalter (Conner Crull Garland Garlin George Harclerode Kough/Koch Leighty Morrison Riggleman Smith Warner Zimmerman) http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=51270668103&n=423147537 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hoffman, Myers/Meyers, Mullen, Books, Swanger/Schwanger, Kreider Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/odB.2ACI/427.1.1 Message Board Post: Loren, In you files do you have any of the following: David (Smee) Smeigh (b. Abt 1813) who married Sarah Hipple, children: Margaret E., Mary, Ann M., Wilson, William, David, John C., and Jacob. Also have a Clair Smee whose daughter Arlene married a Souder. (no dates). I have a couple obscure Shattos, too. Would any of these be connected to the information you posted? Thanks, Judi

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hoffmans in Millerstown, Pennsylvania Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/odB.2ACI/14.45 Message Board Post: My gr., gr., gr., gr., gr. grandfather was Johann George Hoffman, born between 1733 and 1736 in Eppingen, Germany, died in Millerstown, Pennsylvania 5/8/1802, married to Elizabeth Kimmel. Children: Philip, Catherina, Daniel, John H., Joseph, George, Magdalena Mozer, and Maria. Is this your Johann George Hoffman?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/odB.2ACI/118.119.125.1 Message Board Post: Hello David: It has been a long time. Please check the new posting on Albert G Swartz I Have found out the Albert;s father was Daniel E. not George as originally thought. Also Albert's mother's maiden name was Smith. Does this help in any way. Marilun

Angela - Rootsweb for Perry County has the 1870 census index. Have you checked this out? Manuel Isaac 159 Manuel Rebecca 155

Have you seen this query posted last year by [email protected] ? "Searching for the family of William Henry(?) Shelle)y(51) living in Buffalo Twp., Perry Co, PA, in 1910 with wife, Effie(30); daughters, Myrtle(8), Arsula(3), and Fanny(1). His older sons, William C.(24)(wife Agnes) and Clarence(18) also found in 1910 in Perry County, PA. Talking with an aunt, she believes this line goes back to an Indian tribe in Perry County - possibly Cherokee. Anyone know of this tribe or these Shell(e)y's? Any/all help gratefully appreciated." Maybe she has more information by now.

There may have been Indians in the area, but I can not remember reading about any. None appear on the 1850 census of either Liverpool or Liverpool Twp, but there are 15 persons in the township indicated as 'black.' As 'white' or 'black' were the only two choices for race in 1850, it is possible that some of the people indicated as 'black' in the township could have been Indian. I have seen the census takers handle it that way in other places.

Carolyn: Are you saying that there were no Indians in the area at all around 1854/1855? I really do appreciate all you have tried for me.People like you are a rare find in the world today. Thank You so Much Angela wilkins nee Grimes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn K Shearer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [PA-Perry] indian great grand mother > I doubt very much if you will find any record of her birth in Perry > County, or elsewhere in PA for that matter as births were not registered on > either the state or county level til much later. > 1.Do you have any idea of the tribe? > 2. Have you checked on www.cyndislist.com under "Indians" > 3. Perhaps there are some clues in the song that your uncle sings. Could > you transcribe it? Perhaps someone would recognize it and tell you more > about the origins. > You said that Olive was 'not white' in 1870 - was a race indicated? I > assume you know that Mulatto in the census meant any mix - white and black, > black and indian, white and indian, and often was simply what the census > taker thought they might be, not what the family themselves reported. > Circa 1854 is late for Indians to be in Perry County. I do not know of > any Indian settlements in that part of PA that late. There was still a > great amount of prejudice against the Indians then- it was less than 100 > years after many massacres in the area. If you can find a good county > history, you should try reading it very carefully for clues to see if there > were any families left in the area. > I read all of Liverpool Borough and Liverpool Twp in the 1850 census. No > nonwhites in the Borough, 15 nonwhites/blacks in the township, none with any > name close to Manuel or Emanuel. > As there is a Liverpool Station across the river in Dauphin County I also > checked there. Several Emanuel families but the older ones are born in > Germany. > Sorry this has not been much help. The only other thing I can think of > that you might try is to order the 1860 Perry County census from LDS or thru > your local library system and read all the families in Liverpool and close > by. > Let me know if I can be of any further help. > Carolyn > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I doubt very much if you will find any record of her birth in Perry County, or elsewhere in PA for that matter as births were not registered on either the state or county level til much later. 1.Do you have any idea of the tribe? 2. Have you checked on www.cyndislist.com under "Indians" 3. Perhaps there are some clues in the song that your uncle sings. Could you transcribe it? Perhaps someone would recognize it and tell you more about the origins. You said that Olive was 'not white' in 1870 - was a race indicated? I assume you know that Mulatto in the census meant any mix - white and black, black and indian, white and indian, and often was simply what the census taker thought they might be, not what the family themselves reported. Circa 1854 is late for Indians to be in Perry County. I do not know of any Indian settlements in that part of PA that late. There was still a great amount of prejudice against the Indians then- it was less than 100 years after many massacres in the area. If you can find a good county history, you should try reading it very carefully for clues to see if there were any families left in the area. I read all of Liverpool Borough and Liverpool Twp in the 1850 census. No nonwhites in the Borough, 15 nonwhites/blacks in the township, none with any name close to Manuel or Emanuel. As there is a Liverpool Station across the river in Dauphin County I also checked there. Several Emanuel families but the older ones are born in Germany. Sorry this has not been much help. The only other thing I can think of that you might try is to order the 1860 Perry County census from LDS or thru your local library system and read all the families in Liverpool and close by. Let me know if I can be of any further help. Carolyn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Jones/ Simmons Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/odB.2ACI/428 Message Board Post: I am trying to locate my Jones line. From our family bible I have the following dates but I have been unable to find out anything about this family. My g-grandmother was Fannie Cadilier Jones, she was born in Duncannon on the 27 Nov 1845 to Evan & Mary E. Jones. Fannie married Charles H. Simmons in Duncannon on 6 Jun 1864. Evan died in Duncannon on the 29 Sept 1882 and Mary died on the 23 Oct 1888. Can anyone help me with my line? I would appreciate any ideas.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/odB.2ACI/427.1 Message Board Post: Hi Dorothy Here is some information on John Smee that I have in my files. I have some more info on Elisabetha (Elizabeth) Souder if you want it. 1 Johannes Schmig (Smeigh) Smee b: January 6, 1805 in Maryland d: April 8, 1882 in Perry Co., Pa. +Elisabetha Souder b: August 8, 1809 d: August 1, 1889 in Perry Co., Pa. m: Abt April 8, 1832 in Perry Co., Pa. 2 George Smeigh- Smee b: September 4, 1832 in Shermansdale, Perry Co. Pa. d: March 7, 1907 in Plainville, Rooks Co. Kansas . +Catherine Schleicter/ Sleicter b: September 28, 1835 in Franklin Co. Pa. d: February 8, 1919 in Plainvill, Rooks Co. Kansas m: January 5, 1854 in Green Twp. Franklin Co. Pa. 2 Jacob Smeigh - Smee b: Abt 1833 2 John Smeigh- Smee b: March 4, 1835 in Perry Co., Pa. d: February 6, 1900 in Perry Co., Pa. . +Elizabeth Shatto b: July 10, 1837 d: August 7, 1918 in Perry Co., Pa. m: January 2, 1862 in Perry Co., Pa. 2 Mary A Smeigh - Smee b: 1836 d: January 1865 . +Theodore Jones m: December 17, 1863 in Perry Co., Pa. Regards, Loren [email protected]

I am trying to find John Leamon or Lemon burial location. I have the following information. Born: abt. 1760 Married: Dianna(Diannah) Patterson 16 Apr. 1782, Center Presbyterian Church. Died 6 Aug 1813, Toboyne, Perry, PA Will lists wife Dianna, B: Tinicum, Bucks, PA Son Alexander, B: abt 1782, married Margaret McClure Daughter Polly, B:abt. 1785 Daughter Elizabeth, B: abt 1786, Married David Moreland, Died: 30 May 1837 Thank you very much Leon Lemon [email protected]

Dear Carolyn: Thanks for your input. I have only found Olive in 1880 census with her "Grimes" family (once she was a wife and mother) and her race was not listed as white, her children were called mulatto. My uncle sings a song that his father taught him that was taught to him by his mother. I have not found her any where in any other census. Legend has it that she was given the name Olive and (Manuel) by someone who was registering her. I was hoping by going to Perry County, specifically Liverpool, where her son said she was born, might shed some light on how the Indians were assimilated back then. I don't know how she got from Liverpool to Elmhurst between her birth 1854/1855 and the 1880 census. IF there is any direction or insights that you can offer for one beginning to find that proverbial needle, it would be greatly appreciated. Respectfully Yours, Angela Wilkins ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn K Shearer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [PA-Perry] indian great grand mother > The 1870 federal census was the first time that "Indian" was added as a > choice under the question of race. You could try reading the census records > for the area to see if there are any indications of other Indian families. > Have you found Olive in 1870? Is she listed as "Indian"? > > Note: As a former genealogist for the Bureau of Indian Affairs I can tell > that there are many, many family stories of an Indian ancestor that can > never be proven. > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Smee, Scheesley, Boatman, Harris, English Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/odB.2ACI/427 Message Board Post: SMEE, John 6 Jan 1805 8 Apr 1882 wf. Elizabeth 8 Aug 1809 1 Aug 1889 Jacob H. 1862 Nov 1934 Caroline 1868 1898 son George W. 20 Nov 1899 13-5-27 son Charles W. 17 Dec 1892 7 Jul 1894 Cemeteries: Mount Zion (Old Dutch) Evangelical Lutheran & German Reformed Churchyard: Carroll Twp, Perry Full Name of Male: SMEE, John W. , w, age 19 Occupation: Plasterer Residence: Carroll Twp. b. blank m. 9 Nov 1885 Full Name of Female: Minnie A. CLOUERA (?), w, age 18 Residence: Carroll Twp. Does anyone have any info on this family. Is John Smee 1805 son of Isaac Smee and Rebecca Boatman Smee. Also saw query on Scheesley family. Is this from Henry Scheesly m. Eunice Harris dau of Abraham Harris and Margaret English

The 1870 federal census was the first time that "Indian" was added as a choice under the question of race. You could try reading the census records for the area to see if there are any indications of other Indian families. Have you found Olive in 1870? Is she listed as "Indian"? Note: As a former genealogist for the Bureau of Indian Affairs I can tell that there are many, many family stories of an Indian ancestor that can never be proven.

Good Morning Ed and Wanda and Fellow Listers: The State did not require the counties to keep marriage licenses during the time you listed. You will have to find a church or bible record to verify the marriage. Marriage Registries at the Perry County Court House were not kept until about 1888 [roughly] to present. I believe there was also a time back about 1852-1855 that they were kept also, but this may have just been Births and Deaths. Best of Luck to you finding a Marriage Documentation! Donna HELLER ZINN of Newville, Cumberland Co., PA. > > Whom should I contact to learn whether Edward D.Boyer,Sr. and Kate B.Bains > were married in Perry County on March 12 ,1873 and would a copy of their > marriage license be available.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/odB.2ACI/426 Message Board Post: Whom should I contact to learn whether Edward D.Boyer,Sr. and Kate B.Bains were married in Perry County on March 12 ,1873 and would a copy of their marriage license be available.

From: "Judith Bookwalter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: [PA-Perry] Jacob Flickinger - Nancy Hall > Joanne, > > Is this yours? Unmarked cemetery in Perry County past Loysville. > > Jacob Flickinger > Nov. 12, 1831 - Jan. 21, 1917 > Nancy Hall, His Wife > June 17, 1835 - Dec. 11, 1910 > William G., Their Son > Mar. 20, 1858 - Mar. 23, 1889 > At Rest > FLICKINGER Judy, I believe this is another of mine (see brief record below). Is this by any chance the same cemetery you first told me about: On route 850 past Restland Cemetery in Loysville, there is another unmarked cemetery. It has a wire-rope fence around it. It is right by the road, and there is a large farm behind it. Most of the stones were very old. I recalled others looking for HALL's, so I wrote down info from one stone: Daniel Hall Died June 14, 1880 Aged 81 years If so, it would make sense, Daniel was the father of Nancy! By the way, I found that cemetary and it had the name "Emory Chapel" (spelling? still haven't gotten the photos developed!) cast into both concrete posts at it's entrance. Thanks yet again! Steve Hall ______________________________________________________________________ Rev. Jurg (George) HAAL and Anna Magdalena CHRIST: ...I. Anna Catharina HAAL ...II. Maria HAAL ...III. Anna Elizabeth HAAL ...IV. Johannes (Yohanes/John Hall, Senr) HAAL ......A. Georg HALL ......B. John HALL ......C. Henry (Heinrich) HALL ......D. Maria Magdalena HALL ......E. Jonathan HALL ......F. Daniel HALL and Nancy HARTMAN: .........1. Elizabeth HALL .........2. Sarah A. HALL .........3. Rev. Benjamin Franklin HALL .........4. Diana HALL .........5. Wilhelmina HALL .........6. Rebecca HALL ==> 7. Nancy HALL was born in 1835. <== .........8. Caroline HALL .........9. Maria HALL .........10. William Hartman HALL ......Daniel HALL and Keziah THOMPSON: .........1. Vernon A. HALL .........2. Alben H. HALL .........3. Daniel HALL ......G. Rebecca HALL ......H. Moses HALL ......I. Katherine/Catharina HALL Rev. Jurg (George) HAAL and Anna Susannah LEIBY: ...I. Mari Sybilla HAAL ...II. John Henri HAAL ...III. George Michael HAAL

Joanne, Is this yours? Unmarked cemetery in Perry County past Loysville. Jacob Flickinger Nov. 12, 1831 - Jan. 21, 1917 Nancy Hall, His Wife June 17, 1835 - Dec. 11, 1910 William G., Their Son Mar. 20, 1858 - Mar. 23, 1889 At Rest FLICKINGER ===== Judy Warner Bookwalter (Conner Crull Garland Garlin George Harclerode Kough/Koch Leighty Morrison Riggleman Smith Warner Zimmerman) http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=51270668103&n=423147537 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com