Perhaps you need my e mail address Colin? Ireallyamnot@hotmail.com. Thanks again truly,I appreciate your effort. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 3, 2018, at 2:34 PM, sieler_pauline <pauline@sieler.co.uk> wrote: > > Thanks very much Colin that would be great. I sent the original message > Best wishes > Pauline > > -----Original Message----- > From: Colin Cohen [mailto:nehoc.c@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Colin Cohen > Sent: 03 July 2018 17:58 > To: paper-mills-makers@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS] The Round > > I have come on an article on tramping, if the person who was interested sends me their contact details [again] I can pass it on. > > Cheers, > > Colin > — > The only way not to think about money is to have a great deal of it. Edith Wharton, 1862-1937 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/paper-mills-makers@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/paper-mills-makers@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/paper-mills-makers@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/paper-mills-makers@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I also have interest , several of our ancestors were paper makers in Scotland and in th US. Thank you so very much. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 3, 2018, at 2:34 PM, sieler_pauline <pauline@sieler.co.uk> wrote: > > Thanks very much Colin that would be great. I sent the original message > Best wishes > Pauline > > -----Original Message----- > From: Colin Cohen [mailto:nehoc.c@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Colin Cohen > Sent: 03 July 2018 17:58 > To: paper-mills-makers@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS] The Round > > I have come on an article on tramping, if the person who was interested sends me their contact details [again] I can pass it on. > > Cheers, > > Colin > — > The only way not to think about money is to have a great deal of it. Edith Wharton, 1862-1937 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/paper-mills-makers@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/paper-mills-makers@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/paper-mills-makers@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/paper-mills-makers@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks very much Colin that would be great. I sent the original message Best wishes Pauline -----Original Message----- From: Colin Cohen [mailto:nehoc.c@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Colin Cohen Sent: 03 July 2018 17:58 To: paper-mills-makers@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS] The Round I have come on an article on tramping, if the person who was interested sends me their contact details [again] I can pass it on. Cheers, Colin — The only way not to think about money is to have a great deal of it. Edith Wharton, 1862-1937 _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/paper-mills-makers@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/paper-mills-makers@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I have come on an article on tramping, if the person who was interested sends me their contact details [again] I can pass it on. Cheers, Colin — The only way not to think about money is to have a great deal of it. Edith Wharton, 1862-1937

Hi, given the state of Rootsweb I can’t find the archive to see if there have been any replies. My feeling is that within the trade only a vatman or perhaps coucher would call themselves a papermaker, but ‘down the pub’ they might all do so. I think manufacturer is reasonable for an employer, but they might also call themselves a Master, especially during wage negotiations. Hope this helps, Colin — Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies. Sir Ernest Benn, 1875-1954 > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Job description of paper workers in mill. > (margret.thurston@ntlworld.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:15:08 +0100 > From: <margret.thurston@ntlworld.com> > Subject: [PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS] Job description of paper workers in > mill. > To: <paper-mills-makers@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <0EF7BF341D2D441E9EC5928BA7484025@MargaretPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Please could anyone let me know if my understanding of the various trades in a paper Mill re 1700s is correct? > Vatman, sizer, coucher, mechanic, ‘Layer?’ any others? > > and secondly was the term paper-maker a blanket term for anybody carrying out any of these jobs or was it a specific job/position in itself. My ancestor of that period was always described as a paper maker, until he purchased a mill where after he was a paper Manufacturer. > thank you for any help/enlightenment. > Meg

Very many thanks Colin Best wishes Pauline

Thank you , I will add that to my file,to better understand the ancestors. Most relatives involved with paper making were in the US and Scotland, but a few strayed. Mary Sent from my iPad > On May 12, 2018, at 9:27 AM, Colin Cohen <cohen@nehoc.co.uk> wrote: > > 12

There was a question a few weeks back, I’ve just stumbled upon the note I made perhaps 40 years ago, I am guessing from ‘Bundock’, a book I no longer have. 'There are eleven hundred and ninety miles in the Round. The number of days for walking this distance is sixty-four, and there will be ten Sundays to rest:- making the time for absence for a journeyman ten weeks and four days, and at the end of this time from the day of the date hereof this certificate will expire, but the Secretary will then renew it if he shall be required to do so by the journeyman to whom it was issued.' Day's Places Miles Day's Places Miles stages stages 1 to Chafford 23 1 to Over Darwen 10 1 " Sundridge 11 2 " Milnthorp 49 1 " Carshalton 18 1 " Kendal 8 1 " Catshall 23 1 " Kirkswold 34 1 " Horton 24 1 " Hexham 34 1 " Arbourfield 20 1 " Shotley 14 1 " Newbury 23 1 " Newcastle 14 1 " Clatford 17 1 " Hilton 15 1 " Salisbury 17 1 " Durham 12 2 " Wells 44 1 " Richmond 30 2 " Bradnich 50 2 " Poole 45 1 " Exeter 10 1 " Hunslett 12 3 " Cheddar 60 1 " Woodlesford 5 1 " Bath 26 1 " Ecclesfield 26 1 " Hampton 27 1 " Sheffield 6 1 " Winchcombe 24 1 " Little Eaton 33 1 " Redditch 27 3 " Northampton 64 1 " Birmingham 14 2 " Wycombe 52 1 " Kidderminster 17 1 " Watford 17 3 " Hope Mill 66 1 " London 20 1 " Affonwen 15 1 " Dartford 14 3 " Bugsworth 68 1 " Maidstone 18 1 " Charlestown 8 1 " Springfield .. 1 " Manchester 12 1 " Turkey .. 1 " Smedley 4 1 " Tovil .. 1 " Bury 10 Scotland and Ireland had recently been lopped off from the Society, and 'tramping' was abolished in 1856. [Bundock]. Sorry the tabs have gone to pot [small pot, large pot, anyone!] in my email client. Regards, Colin — Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. William Bruce Cameron [1960- ], and probably not Einstein

Please could anyone let me know if my understanding of the various trades in a paper Mill re 1700s is correct? Vatman, sizer, coucher,mechanic, ‘Layer?’ any others? and secondly was the term paper-maker a blanket term for anybody carrying out any of these jobs or was it a specific job/position in itself. My ancestor of that period was always described as a paper maker, until he purchased a mill where after he was a paper Manufacturer. thank you for any help/enlightenment. Meg

Hi Colin I was just wondering if you were home yet and had managed to find the tramp route Many thanks Pauline -----Original Message----- From: Colin Cohen [mailto:nehoc.c@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Colin Cohen Sent: 14 March 2018 19:24 To: paper-mills-makers@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS] Re: Tramps, Routes? I replied to this yesterday saying I was away from home, but thought I had a map of the Round, but my post has gone AWOL it would seem. If you are interested I can try and find it and get it to you if I can remember what book it was in. Colin — www.MissingPortraits.info

I would love to have a copy thank you. Do any of you know if there was a round like that for the US. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 14, 2018, at 5:32 PM, sieler_pauline <pauline@sieler.co.uk> wrote: > > Hello Colin > Your mail from yesterday didn't get through to me and yes please if you can find the route it would be fantastic thank you > Very much appreciated best wishes > Pauline > > -----Original Message----- > From: Colin Cohen [mailto:nehoc.c@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Colin Cohen > Sent: 14 March 2018 19:24 > To: paper-mills-makers@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS] Re: Tramps, Routes? > > I replied to this yesterday saying I was away from home, but thought I had a map of the Round, but my post has gone AWOL it would seem. > > If you are interested I can try and find it and get it to you if I can remember what book it was in. > > Colin > — > www.MissingPortraits.info > > > >

Hello Colin Your mail from yesterday didn't get through to me and yes please if you can find the route it would be fantastic thank you Very much appreciated best wishes Pauline -----Original Message----- From: Colin Cohen [mailto:nehoc.c@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Colin Cohen Sent: 14 March 2018 19:24 To: paper-mills-makers@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS] Re: Tramps, Routes? I replied to this yesterday saying I was away from home, but thought I had a map of the Round, but my post has gone AWOL it would seem. If you are interested I can try and find it and get it to you if I can remember what book it was in. Colin — www.MissingPortraits.info

I replied to this yesterday saying I was away from home, but thought I had a map of the Round, but my post has gone AWOL it would seem. If you are interested I can try and find it and get it to you if I can remember what book it was in. Colin — www.MissingPortraits.info

Can anybody enlighten on the description – paper maker? Was this a blanket term for anyone employed at a paper mill (18th C) or was this a particular job such as Vatman, Mechanic, Coucher, Sizer etc. My ancestor was described as ‘paper maker’ until he bought his own mill in the 1790.s after which he became a ‘paper manufacturer.’

Pauline, My papermakers were in evidence form 1772 in Northumberland where they remained for about 6 years. Their next sighting was in Shropshire (Few hundred miles away?). They often got messages by word of mouth about another Mill looking for workers or in some cases the owner of the mill where they currently worked might have a mill in a different county. They didn’t just ‘Tramp’ randomly in the hope of finding work, they usually had a location in mind. In many case too the whole family, wife and children accompanied them, no easy task at that period. Stage coaches would have been used or if there was a water link then the canals too would have been helpful. You could try looking at the various routes. Greta

Mine were at Roth’s Mills in Markinch, one of the brothers was a manager at the paper mill in Leslie, one came here to get rich on esprit (spelling ?) grass paper only to find the area was moving to wood pulp from rags instead of grass. He eventually managed a Reading Pa. mill. One brother went to England and the last brother I can not find. The census may list him will have to construct a different search method just name and birth date does not work. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 12, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Baldwins via PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS <paper-mills-makers@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Pauline > > I have an Alexander Pollock papermaker from Edinburgh born around 1800 with children born Edinburgh, Keighley, Wrexham, Northampton and Darenth where he settled about 1841 so the places and movement are not unusual. > > Keith > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hattie Irish <ireallyamnot@hotmail.com> > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 1:31 PM > To: paper-mills-makers@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS] Re: Papermakers tramps > > Thank you for that information. Wondered why all the moving as my husband’s ancestor was followed among the paper mills of New England ,after his arrival in 1850’s. His father and several brothers were papermakers as well in Scotland, and one in England.Perhaps there is hope for finding the missing brother. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mar 12, 2018, at 6:45 AM, sieler_pauline <pauline@sieler.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> >> I have some papermakers in my family in the early 1800s onwards. They >> are quite elusive and I believe that this may be in part because >> papermakers undertook 'tramps' to find work. I know that mine where in >> Shropshire, Kent, Somerset, Surrey and Wrexham. >> I think from what I have read that there was a specific route that >> they undertook when they were on the tramp. Can anyone enlighten me to >> the route please or where I might be able to find the route from Many >> thanks Pauline >> >> > > >

Pauline I have an Alexander Pollock papermaker from Edinburgh born around 1800 with children born Edinburgh, Keighley, Wrexham, Northampton and Darenth where he settled about 1841 so the places and movement are not unusual. Keith -----Original Message----- From: Hattie Irish <ireallyamnot@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 1:31 PM To: paper-mills-makers@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS] Re: Papermakers tramps Thank you for that information. Wondered why all the moving as my husband’s ancestor was followed among the paper mills of New England ,after his arrival in 1850’s. His father and several brothers were papermakers as well in Scotland, and one in England.Perhaps there is hope for finding the missing brother. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 12, 2018, at 6:45 AM, sieler_pauline <pauline@sieler.co.uk> wrote: > > > > I have some papermakers in my family in the early 1800s onwards. They > are quite elusive and I believe that this may be in part because > papermakers undertook 'tramps' to find work. I know that mine where in > Shropshire, Kent, Somerset, Surrey and Wrexham. > I think from what I have read that there was a specific route that > they undertook when they were on the tramp. Can anyone enlighten me to > the route please or where I might be able to find the route from Many > thanks Pauline > >

Thank you for that information. Wondered why all the moving as my husband’s ancestor was followed among the paper mills of New England ,after his arrival in 1850’s. His father and several brothers were papermakers as well in Scotland, and one in England.Perhaps there is hope for finding the missing brother. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 12, 2018, at 6:45 AM, sieler_pauline <pauline@sieler.co.uk> wrote: > > > > I have some papermakers in my family in the early 1800s onwards. They are > quite elusive and I believe that this may be in part because papermakers > undertook 'tramps' to find work. I know that mine where in Shropshire, Kent, > Somerset, Surrey and Wrexham. > I think from what I have read that there was a specific route that they > undertook when they were on the tramp. Can anyone enlighten me to the route > please or where I might be able to find the route from > Many thanks > Pauline > >

I have some papermakers in my family in the early 1800s onwards. They are quite elusive and I believe that this may be in part because papermakers undertook 'tramps' to find work. I know that mine where in Shropshire, Kent, Somerset, Surrey and Wrexham. I think from what I have read that there was a specific route that they undertook when they were on the tramp. Can anyone enlighten me to the route please or where I might be able to find the route from Many thanks Pauline

I’m sorry I can’t help, though I visited Portals in the 70s, and may even have photos somewhere of the artists at work on the wax masters. However, having a number of publicity marks by both Portals and T H Saunders [who they absorbed] I’d say that the latter are a great deal more interesting. Cheers, Colin Cohen -- info@MissingPortraits.info On 12 May 2016, at 08:00, paper-mills-makers-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Watermark Image -Winchester Cathedral - form Portals > Laverstoke Mill c 1960 (Tom Thornton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 09:30:59 -0700 > From: Tom Thornton <thornton.tom1@gmail.com> > Subject: [PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS] Watermark Image -Winchester Cathedral - > form Portals Laverstoke Mill c 1960 > To: PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CA75329-6BF1-42B1-BA30-14666EB8A97A@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I own a watermarked paper image that originated from Portals Laverstoke Mill c 1960 -70. > The image is a frontal via of Winchester Cathedral. > > I am interested in discovering the Artist or Artists that worked for Portals at this mill during that time. > > The story behind it is that I knew the Manager of that mill Charles Michel or Mitchell . At that time I was working for Plessy at a secret research establishment Roke Manor near Romsey . Many things derived from our work including the Hawkeye and the current Goal line technology, ultrasound fetal detection etc.. While there I was using ultrasonics as micro machining method on ceramic and for welding fine electrical connections . I shared the ultrasonic welding information with Charles as an improved method for attaching the the fine wire structures used in their paper making process . Many years later I contacted Charles asking for a resulting Watermark as many Fine English paper mills were closing . Charles then retired, sent me several pieces including this beautiful item together with his personal Stationary. > > Any help in finding this information will be greatly appreciated. > > Tomt > > Tom Thornton > thornton.tom1@gmail.com <mailto:thornton.tom1@gmail.com> > Ph: 250 594 4326 > 1580 Marine Circle > Parksville BC V9P 1Y6 > CANADA > >> From my MacMini > Blog :http://tomndi.blogspot.ca <http://tomndi.blogspot.ca/> > & http://owsleburyhants.blogspot.ca/ <http://owsleburyhants.blogspot.ca/> > Tom Thornton > thornton.tom1@gmail.com > Ph: 250 594 4326 > 1580 Marine Circle > Parksville BC V9P 1Y6 > CANADA > >> From my MacMini > Blog :http://tomndi.blogspot.ca > & http://owsleburyhants.blogspot.ca/ > > Skype : Thornton.tom > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS list administrator, send an email to > PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS mailing list, send an email to PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of PAPER-MILLS-MAKERS Digest, Vol 11, Issue 2 > *************************************************