----__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M Content-Type: text/plain; charset = us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Thank Terry Elida & Nelson Please note: message attached ----__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: <PANORTHU-D-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from mx12.nyc.untd.com (mx12.nyc.untd.com [10.140.24.72]) by maildeliver09.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBDJQPWA3TSCCJ for <fitpro8@juno.com> (sender <PANORTHU-D-request@rootsweb.com>); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [66.43.18.41]) by mx12.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABBDJQPVALH488A for <fitpro8@juno.com> (sender <PANORTHU-D-request@rootsweb.com>); Sun, 13 Mar 2005 05:01:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id j2DD16hu025044; Sun, 13 Mar 2005 06:01:06 -0700 Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 06:01:06 -0700 Message-Id: <200503131301.j2DD16hu025044@lists5.rootsweb.com> From: PANORTHU-D-request@rootsweb.com Subject: PANORTHU-D Digest V05 #34 X-Loop: PANORTHU-D@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <PANORTHU-D@rootsweb.com> archive/volume05/34 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: PANORTHU-D@rootsweb.com Reply-To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com X-ContentStamp: 2:3:3505393941 X-MAIL-INFO: 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 3599dd45d1b541b5edd1a58921dd795504047d399185807171193d59a95059f1a9b0a98d506160a13dbdb944104de495e43d4d99a5294459e9707064e5d1e161f0f0d1315d7d397d15257915b53471852501c179543524fdd1fdc424c4a1d4dd3554390ded3830309d1029e92964e1e46420e5a0ade1b05981f18da08d8d708d51f1a95061e5f54da50d440d2dc0351d651d1d991ddd35f4d1 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 66.43.18.41|lists5.rootsweb.com|lists5.rootsweb.com|PANORTHU-D-request@rootsweb.com X-UNTD-UBE: -1 Content-Type: text/plain PANORTHU-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 34 Today's Topics: #1 Re: Online Marriage Index site [RogerCubs@aol.com] #2 Re: [PANORTHU-L] Re: Online Marria ["skramer" <skramer1221@woh.rr.com>] #3 Schuylkill Co. marriage index site [RogerCubs@aol.com] #4 Evangelical EB church? ["fitpro8@juno.com" <fitpro8@juno.c] #5 Re: [PANORTHU-L] Re: Online Marria ["Nelson R. Sulouff" <zuli@sprintma] #6 Re: [PANORTHU-L] Evangelical EB ch ["Elida" <purrysburg@islc.net>] #7 Re: Online Marriage Index site rep [RogerCubs@aol.com] #8 Re: [PANORTHU-L] Evangelical EB ch ["Nelson R. Sulouff" <zuli@sprintma] #9 Re: [PANORTHU-L] Evangelical EB ch [TerryT6060@aol.com] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from PANORTHU-D, send a message to PANORTHU-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ X-Message: #1 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:53:28 EST From: RogerCubs@aol.com To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1ea.3875a84f.2f644048@aol.com> Subject: Re: Online Marriage Index site Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 3/11/2005 4:33:41 PM US Mountain Standard Time, BillJosey@aol.com writes: The Schuylkill County Goverment maintains an on-line index of the marriage dockets issued by the county from 1885. The search tool for this index is at The site is a bit disappointing compared with the Illinois sites. Illinois gives names, dates, license numbers, locations, and in some cases, parent's names, all online at no cost. They also do this for death certificates showing names, dates of death and location. This includes many early settlers of Illinois, including some coming from the Dauphin, Schuylkill, Northumberland, Lebanon, and Franklin Co. areas. 1763-1900 Marriage records: _http://www.sos.state.il.us/GenealogyMWeb/marrsrch.html_ (http://www.sos.state.il.us/GenealogyMWeb/marrsrch.html) 1916-1950 Death records: _http://www2.sos.state.il.us/GenealogyMWeb/idphdeathsrch.html_ (http://www2.sos.state.il.us/GenealogyMWeb/idphdeathsrch.html) Pre - 1916 Death Records: _http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/GenealogyMWeb/deathsrch.html_ (http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/GenealogyMWeb/deathsrch.html) Roger Cramer Peoria, Arizona Roger and Sue Cramer's Genealogy Site http://members.aol.com/rogercubs/index.html Ogle Co., IL Genealogy Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilogle/ ______________________________ X-Message: #2 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:15:14 -0500 From: "skramer" <skramer1221@woh.rr.com> To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000a01c52705$8738e620$d395d218@wcoil> Subject: Re: [PANORTHU-L] Re: Online Marriage Index site Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Think the address is missing for the Schuylkill marriage index ? In a message dated 3/11/2005 4:33:41 PM US Mountain Standard Time, BillJosey@aol.com writes: The Schuylkill County Goverment maintains an on-line index of the marriage dockets issued by the county from 1885. The search tool for this index is at The site is a bit disappointing compared with the Illinois sites ______________________________ X-Message: #3 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:18:29 EST From: RogerCubs@aol.com To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8d.22baed66.2f644625@aol.com> Subject: Schuylkill Co. marriage index site Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 3/12/2005 6:12:41 AM US Mountain Standard Time, skramer1221@woh.rr.com writes: Think the address is missing for the Schuylkill marriage index ? _http://www.co.schuylkill.pa.us/info/Offices/Archives/MarriageDockets.csp_ (http://www.co.schuylkill.pa.us/info/Offices/Archives/MarriageDockets.csp) ______________________________ X-Message: #4 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:52:05 GMT From: "fitpro8@juno.com" <fitpro8@juno.com> To: panorthu-d@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <20050312.065300.12129.152043@webmail06.nyc.untd.com> Subject: Evangelical EB church? Content-Type: text/plain Hi all. What would "Evangelical E B Church cemetery" in Sunbury, Northumbeland, PA refer to? Thanks, Marc ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ______________________________ X-Message: #5 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:41:17 -0700 From: "Nelson R. Sulouff" <zuli@sprintmail.com> To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001d01c5271a$36c21850$6400a8c0@homep4> Subject: Re: [PANORTHU-L] Re: Online Marriage Index site Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Roger and other subscribers, The Website for Illinois Vital Statistics is admirably conceived, but data posted is not absolutely reliable and must be verified from primary documents. The first two "1916-1950 Death Records" I read on the Illinois Website when I searched the surname SULOUFF had incorrect data for "Age at death." First example: Website data shows Certificate #0041620 Irena Violet Sulouff died 5/11/1916 at age 16 yr 5 mo 12 da (which computes to a birthdate of 11/29/1899). Compare Irena's Gravestone data in Sterling Cemetery, Whiteside Co. IL: Irena V. Sulouff 1912-1915 (which computes to age 3 at death). Additional controlling data: Irena's parents, Irvin Blain Sulouff (1884-1964) and Mary R. Reigle (1884-1946) were married 10/17/1903 in Lewistown, Mifflin Co. PA. Prior to 1911, when Irvin and his brother, Jacob, moved their families from Pennsylvania to Illinois, there were no Sulouffs living in Illinois and these were the only two Sulouff families in Illinois at the date of Irena's death. Irena's age at death reported on the Illinois Website, suggesting she was born in 1899, is absolutely impossible. She was actually the last of five children born between 1904 and 1912. Second example: Website data shows Certificate #0840299 Jacob Sulouff died 11/17/1932 at age 32 yr 11 mo 19 da. Jacob was born 5/1/1894 in Cocolamus, Juniata Co. PA, and died 11/17/1932, which computes to age 38 yr 6 mo 16 da at death. This illustrates the need to rely on primary documents and to verify all data posted by others on the Internet. Respectfully submitted, Rev. Nelson R. Sulouff Oro Valley, Arizona Admin for SULOUFF & SULOFF ListServs and Boards- SULOUFF-Admin@RootsWeb.com Admin for NOETLING ListServ and Boards- NOETLING-Admin@RootsWeb.com Admin for GEISS and GEISE ListServs and Boards- GEISE-Admin@RootsWeb.com Admin for KRIGBAUM ListServ and Boards- KRIGBAUM-Admin@RootsWeb.com Admin for EISTER ListServ and Boards- EISTER-Admin@RootsWeb.com Admin for AZ-SCVGS ListServ and Boards- AZ-SCVGS-Admin@RootsWeb.com Publications: "Johannes Zulauf, Soldier-Immigrant, Father of Sulouffs and Suloffs In America," (Parts I and II), published by JOURNAL OF THE JOHANNES SCHWALM HISTORICAL ASSN.; Vol 5, No. 4 (1996) and Vol. 6, No. 1 (1997) A SULOUFF AND SULOFF FAMILY HISTORY (801 pp., 174 graphics, over 3350 indexed names, 680 source footnotes). Copyrighted 2001-2003, Library of Congress call number CS71.Z8662001 Website for earliest history of the SULOUFF>SULOFF family: http://www.apexsystems.net/users/Nelson/ ///////////////////////////////// ----- Original Message ----- From: RogerCubs@aol.com To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 5:53 AM Subject: [PANORTHU-L] Re: Online Marriage Index site In a message dated 3/11/2005 4:33:41 PM US Mountain Standard Time, BillJosey@aol.com writes: The Schuylkill County Goverment maintains an on-line index of the marriage dockets issued by the county from 1885. The search tool for this index is at The site is a bit disappointing compared with the Illinois sites. Illinois gives names, dates, license numbers, locations, and in some cases, parent's names, all online at no cost. They also do this for death certificates showing names, dates of death and location. This includes many early settlers of Illinois, including some coming from the Dauphin, Schuylkill, Northumberland, Lebanon, and Franklin Co. areas. 1763-1900 Marriage records: _http://www.sos.state.il.us/GenealogyMWeb/marrsrch.html_ (http://www.sos.state.il.us/GenealogyMWeb/marrsrch.html) 1916-1950 Death records: _http://www2.sos.state.il.us/GenealogyMWeb/idphdeathsrch.html_ (http://www2.sos.state.il.us/GenealogyMWeb/idphdeathsrch.html) Pre - 1916 Death Records: _http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/GenealogyMWeb/deathsrch.html_ (http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/GenealogyMWeb/deathsrch.html) Roger Cramer Peoria, Arizona Roger and Sue Cramer's Genealogy Site http://members.aol.com/rogercubs/index.html Ogle Co., IL Genealogy Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilogle/ ______________________________ X-Message: #6 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:57:30 -0500 From: "Elida" <purrysburg@islc.net> To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <009001c5271c$334d5200$8aeffea9@aoldsl.net> Subject: Re: [PANORTHU-L] Evangelical EB church? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Evangelical United Brethren Church. It split up down the line, and some branches merged with the Methodist to form the United Methodist. Elida ----- Original Message ----- From: <fitpro8@juno.com> To: <PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 9:52 AM Subject: [PANORTHU-L] Evangelical EB church? > > Hi all. > > What would "Evangelical E B Church cemetery" in Sunbury, Northumbeland, PA refer to? > > Thanks, Marc > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. > Now includes pop-up blocker! > Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > ______________________________ X-Message: #7 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:58:59 EST From: RogerCubs@aol.com To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <13e.ee1b17d.2f646bc3@aol.com> Subject: Re: Online Marriage Index site reply Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 3/12/2005 8:44:13 AM US Mountain Standard Time, zuli@sprintmail.com writes: The Website for Illinois Vital Statistics is admirably conceived, but data posted is not absolutely reliable and must be verified from primary documents. My primary area of research is northern Illinois and have found the Illinois sites to be generally very accurate. Of course, as in any research source, there will be occasional errors. The LDS Library has a large collection of actual marriage license documents for Ogle Co., IL on microfilm and I find them to agree with the online records consistantly. Roger Cramer Peoria, Arizona Roger and Sue Cramer's Genealogy Site http://members.aol.com/rogercubs/index.html Ogle Co., IL Genealogy Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilogle/ ______________________________ X-Message: #8 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:19:46 -0700 From: "Nelson R. Sulouff" <zuli@sprintmail.com> To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <005801c5271f$54c19790$6400a8c0@homep4> Subject: Re: [PANORTHU-L] Evangelical EB church? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Marc, I think your source should read "Evangelical UB Church cemetery" and would refer to the Evangelical United Brethren Church. Nelson ///////////////////////////// ----- Original Message ----- From: fitpro8@juno.com To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:52 AM Subject: [PANORTHU-L] Evangelical EB church? Hi all. What would "Evangelical E B Church cemetery" in Sunbury, Northumbeland, PA refer to? Thanks, Marc ______________________________ X-Message: #9 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:43:48 EST From: TerryT6060@aol.com To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <19d.2f67dc97.2f648454@aol.com> Subject: Re: [PANORTHU-L] Evangelical EB church? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 3/12/2005 9:58:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, fitpro8@juno.com writes: > What would "Evangelical E B Church cemetery" in Sunbury, Northumbeland, PA > refer to? > Marc There were two EUB churches in Sunbury, both of which are now United Metho9dist. Otterbein United Methodist is at 4th and V9ine Street and Evangelical is at 5th and Chestnut Street. 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