Hi Roger and Bill and All, I will have to see if found anything. My census and genealogy are on the internet. had previously done a lo of research online and at the family History Library but it has been a while. Lucky for us we can have DNA tested now and saved to compare with others. I looked into it and it is that expensive for about ten people could get a group rate. The problem is that people hid the information on out of wedlock babies and adopted children, pretending they didn't exist and denying any relationship. Let me know which records have been searched already and what you may have found. I have searched census for every available year but not every location. I know our SCHUCKS were here in the 1850s, came from BRUCKEN, but each one of JOSEPH SCHUCK's cousins I do not know about yet. love toni http://community.webtv.net/olivemai/OLIVEMAI He insulted me, he hurt me, he defeated me, he robbed me. Those who think such things will not be free from hate. -Buddha