I have been looking into baptismal records in my area of Michigan. I have called several times to get information but being they are to old to touch them. (Catholic church) for around 1880 time frame. What I found?when I called the Diocese that covers our area they had the old ones microfilmed. I am going next week to look at the microfilm. This may be another source to look. Marilyn Rice [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Sep 10, 2009 3:01 am Subject: PANORTHU Digest, Vol 4, Issue 195 ==== PANORTHU Mailing List ==== Today's Topics: 1. Re: Trying to obtain Birth cert for my grandfather born 1891 Shamokin ([email protected]) 2. Re: Trying to obtain Birth cert for my grandfather born 1891 Shamokin ([email protected]) 3. Re: Trying to obtain Birth cert for my grandfather born 1891 Shamokin ([email protected]) 4. Re: Trying to obtain Birth cert for my grandfather born 1891 Shamokin ([email protected]) 5. Re: Trying to obtain Birth cert for my grandfather born 1891 Shamokin ([email protected]) 6. Re: Eister / Kiehl ([email protected]) 7. Re: Eister / Kiehl ([email protected]) 8. Re: Trying to obtain Birth cert for my grandfather born 1891 Shamokin ([email protected]) 9. Re: Trying to obtain Birth cert for my grandfather born 1891 Shamokin ([email protected]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:41:44 -0000 From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PANORTHU] Trying to obtain Birth cert for my grandfather born 1891 Shamokin To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wwmccollum Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.northumberland/9723.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have relatives still living in the Shamokin area who might be able to help with your search. Do you have a name and denomination for your grandfather? There would not have been a government issued birth certificate at that time, because most US states did not start issuing them until about 1920. The church should have recorded the birth/baptism. There were a number of Catholic churches whose members were split among various ethnic groups, so knowing h is national origin would help. There were relatively fewer Protestant churches, particularly after the influx of immigrants from East Europe to work the coal mines. The Catholic churches dwindled in number after the Depression and their records have been consolidated and are maintained by the Mother Cabrini church. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:28:25 -0000 From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PANORTHU] Trying to obtain Birth cert for my grandfather born 1891 Shamokin To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: janetjones1641 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.northumberland/9723.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you so much for your reply. My Grandfather's name was James Birch born 1891 Shamokin P.A. Parents-Joseph Birch born in Lancashire England, mother Hannah Birch nee Filer born in South Wales U.K. Joseph and Hannah married in Northumberland county in 1890 and returned to Wales around 1902. My grandad tried for many years to obtain a certificate from the States but with no success ( you're explation would i'm sure be the reason ) and of course it was in the days before the internet. He always said that he was born on board ship or on "American Waters " wheter this tale was true i've no idea and hence the hunt for the record of his birth. I can't imagine my great gran marrying in P.A. coming home to Wales and returning while heavily pregnant, but who knows. The Birch family attended the Church of England here so i guess they must have attended the Protesant church while living in Shamokin. Thank you for taking the trouble to try and help, it's very much appreciated. I'll leave my e mail address if that would make it any easier. Best wishes. Janet. [email protected] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 14:57:44 -0000 From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PANORTHU] Trying to obtain Birth cert for my grandfather born 1891 Shamokin To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: WmWMcCollum Surnames: Birch Filer Ruse Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.northumberland/9723.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I checked the 1900 census and it looks like Joseph (born June 1865 in England)immigrated in 1889 and Hannah (born October 1873 in England) the year before in 1888. They indicated they married about 1890 and that she had had 4 children, three of whom were still living in 1900. They were James (born August 1891 in PA); Agnes E. (born April 1893 in PA); and Charles (born October 1896 in PA). They lived at 910 Sunbury Street in Shamokin and Jospeh worked as a coal miner. Joseph was a naturalized citizen by 1900. I found an immigration record for Hannah that shows she arrived in Philadelphia on March 24, 1888 aboard the British Prince out of Liverpool. She was traveling with her probable brother George and sister Eliza. George was living in Shamokin in 1900 and was single living in his sister's house. Eliza (Elizabeth) was apparently a widow, with the last name Ruse. I'll let you know if we find anything more. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this l ist. 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Author: WmWMcCollum Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.northumberland/9723.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The following Episcopal church has been in Shamokin since 1865 and was only a couple of blocks from where the Birch family lived in 1900: Holy Trinity Episcopal Church 150 E Lincoln Street, Shamokin, PA 17872 Telephone (570) 648-6152 You can write to them and ask for your grandfather's birth/baptism records and they may even have a marriage record for his parents. Just to be sure I'll call them later today to see if the records exist and if there's any cost for providing copies. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:42:54 -0000 From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PANORTHU] Trying to obtain Birth cert for my grandfather born 1891 Shamokin To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: janetjones1641 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.northumberland/9723.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Bo ard Post: Well I really wasn't expecting that reply. You're an absolute Gem !!! Thank you again . {Of course i realise that they may not have the record and i mustn't get too excited,} but Thank you for being so kind, i really wouldn't have had a clue where to start looking, i've tried googleing churches that were active at that time in that area without any success, and to be honest if one had come up i wouldn't have known if it was the correct church. Regards Jan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:52:35 -0000 From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PANORTHU] Eister / Kiehl To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gwap53 Surnames: Keihl Keenen Worrilow Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.northumberland/9685.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am related to your ? mystery KEENEN whom married your Mary W. KEIHL. Mary's husband's name was: Winfield KEENEN [1855 - before 1880]. He was the son of John and Susan Farra [nee Worrilow] Keenen. He was born in Chester, Delaware Co., Pennsylvania. Do you have any information about Mary's and Winfield's daughters, Elizabeth & Alice, besides what you have posted ? Do you know where the family lived? Where is Mary W. Keihl Keenen buried? Thanks for any information you can share with me! Betsy Keenen Walker Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:54:22 -0000 From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PANORTHU] Eister / Kiehl To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gwap53 Surnames: Kiehl Keenen Worrilow Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.northumberland/9685.1.1.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am related to your ? mystery KEENEN whom married your Mary W. KIEHL. Mary's husband's name was: Winfield KEENEN [1855 - before 1880]. He was the son of John and Susan Farra [nee Worrilow] Keenen. He was born in Chester, Delaware Co., Pennsylvania. Do you have any information about Mary's and Winfield's daughters, Elizabeth & Alice, besides what you have posted ? Do you know where the family lived? Where is Mary W. Keihl Keenen buried? Thanks for any information you can share with me! Betsy Keenen Walker Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:25:28 -0000 From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PANORTHU] Trying to obtain Birth cert for my grandfather born 1891 Shamokin To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wwmccollum Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.northumberland/9723.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I called the church a couple of times today, but was only able to leave a message on their answering machine. I'll let you know if I hear from them. Important Not e: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:53:13 -0000 From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PANORTHU] Trying to obtain Birth cert for my grandfather born 1891 Shamokin To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: janetjones1641 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.pennsylvania.counties.northumberland/9723.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for doing that. I looked up the church and they actually have an e-mail address [email protected] I was toying with mailing them but thought i'd wait to hear from you first. You've been very kind and i didn't want to butt in by e mailing them while you were ringing, i thought it may confuse things. I think i'll wait and see if they get back to you or if you feel inclined maybe you wouldn't e-mailing them on my behalf. You've been so helpful, I wouldn't want to interfere , especially as you've left a message on the church answering machine. Can you let me know wheter or not i should send an e mail please. Thanks again for everything. Jan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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