Can anyone connect with this family? Descendants of Jacob (Grove) Groff 1 Jacob (Grove) GROFF .. +Catharina SPATZ b: August 3, 1845 in Lower Mahanoy Twp., Northumberland Co., PA Father: Joseph Spotts Mother: Mary Anna Schott ... 2 Arthur J. (Grove) GROFF b: in Stephenson Co., IL ... 2 Catherine E. (Grove) GROFF b: in IL ... 2 Mary A. (Grove) GROFF b: in IL Roger Cramer Peoria, Arizona Roger & Sue Cramer's Genealogy Site http://members.aol.com/rogercubs/index.html Ogle Co., IL Genealogy Site http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilogle/

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Joe & Laura Schmidt wrote: >Now for my question. Where can I find a copy of the book you mention? "A Genealogy of Selectred Northumberland County Pennsylvania Pioneer >Families from the Arrival of the Immigrant Ancestors to the Present time" Part Six, (The Vought (Voght, Voight, Voigt) Family), compiled by Joseph A. Meiser, Jr., B.S., Ph.D. and Sarah Roadarmel Meiser, 1978. >Laura >a VOUGHT descendant >DigMyPast@msn.com > Laura, I copied portions of the book several years ago at the Family History Library at Salt Lake City, Utah. The book actually contains ten parts on different Northumberland County families. Joseph A. Meiser, Jr. is the Compiler. The year it was published by the authors was 1978. The book was microfiled 11/5/91 and it is on Roll #XLIB7-102 3223 and Call #1697511. I last spoke with Joe (Joseph Meiser) shortly after his wife's death last year. He is now using as a publisher: DDRAIG GOCH PUBLICATIONS Robert L K Jones PO Box 87, Grantham, PA 17027 I have also been in touch with Bob Jones and have purchased several of Joe's Burial books through him. You might want to contact him by mail or email (see his address on the cc: above) and ask for a complete listing of Joe's books. (There are about 40 of them.) I am sending a copy of this message to Bob to alert him to the possibility that you might contact him. I do not know if "The Vought Family" is available or not. Regards from Vero Beach, FL John Shipman Hendricks PS How are you linked to the VOUGHT line.

The one on the Social Security Death Index is not him! That one was born in California! If I were you I would go to switchboard.com and enter Don Messner with no state listed. There are 30 +, how much would it cost to send letters out? You can eliminate the Jr's. Now for my question. Where can I find a copy of the book you mention? "A Genealogy of Selectred Northumberland County Pennsylvania Pioneer Families from the Arrival of the Immigrant Ancestors to the Present Time" Part Six, (The Vought (Voght, Voight, Voigt) Family), compiled by Joseph A. Meiser, Jr., B.S., Ph.D. and Sarah Roadarmel Meiser, 1978. Laura a VOUGHT descendant DigMyPast@msn.com Source: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PANORTHU-L] Donald Messner Have you tried the Social Security Death Index (SSDI)? There are seven Donald Messners listed there, one of which was born in 1930. The SSDI is available free on the Rootsweb website, and also on other websites. --- John Shipman Hendricks <JSHendricks@earthlink.net> wrote: > I am trying to find a a specific family: Grace > Vought, b 19 Mar > 1908, married Arthur Messner. They had five > children to my knowledge. > In the 1930's and 1940's they lived on E Court St, > Sunbury. Their 3rd > child was Donald Messner and was born in 1930. > Donald Messner and the > are 7th cousins. Our common ancestors are Robert > Cample and his unknown > spouse. As young boys in the 30's, Donald and I > lived with our families > on East Court Street in Sunbury and attended the > Hill Elementary School > at the corner of 11th and Chestnut Streets in > Sunbury. As young boys we > were best friends. When my family moved from the > neighborhood to > Tamaqua, Schuylkill County, Pennsylvania (my father > was then a State > Game Protector for Schuylkill County), Donald > Messner spent a one-week > summer vacation with us in 1941. That was 60 plus > years ago and > although we were close boyhood friends we have not > seen each other again > since that time. > The irony is that the Messner family was found > while I was > entering genealogical data from a book called "A > Genealogy of Selectred > Northumberland County Pennsylvania Pioneer Families > from the Arrival of > the Immigrant Ancestors to the Present Time" Part > Six, (The Vought > (Voght, Voight, Voigt) Family), compiled by Joseph > A. Meiser, Jr., > B.S., Ph.D. and Sarah Roadarmel Meiser, 1978, page > 15. The mother, > Grace Vought, was a daughter of Bertram Vought and > Ida R. Bordner. > If anyone in the Sunbury area knows the > whereabouts of Donald > Messner or any other of his family, I would very > much appreciate an > address where I might contact him. > -- > Regards, > John Shipman Hendricks > Vero Beach, FL 32968

John, I have a Zettlemoyer obituary. I will attach it to this posting for you. It is from Allentown, Lehigh County, PA. Maybe you can use it. Rita Rhoads Maury October 23, 1978- Allentown Morning Call. Florence Zettlemoyer. Mrs. Florence M. Zettlemoyer, 85, of Biery's Bridge Road, Bethlehem, died Sunday in St. Luke's Hospital. Born in Allentown, she was the daughter of the late Albert H. and Lizzie (Eckert) Nagle. She was a member of the First Presbyterian Church, Bethlehem. Surviving are a son, Albert, with whom she resided, 5 grandchildren, and seven great grandchildren. Services will be 2 p.m. Tuesday in the Snyder-Hinkle Funeral Home, Inc., 527 Center St., Bethlehem. There will be no calling hours. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Shipman Hendricks" <JSHendricks@earthlink.net> To: <PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [PANORTHU-L] I need help in Sunbury > Thanks to all who posted a response to my request for help. I do > appreciate. > > -- > Regards, > John Shipman Hendricks > Vero Beach, FL 32968 > > ______________________________Researching:___________________________ > > Auchmuty-Brady-Bogar-Campbell--Dunkelberger-Everet-Faeg-Ferster-Fisher > Gotschalk-Haas-Heim--Hendricks-Henni-Hile-Johnson-Karg-Kerschner-Lytle > McKinney-Mineger-Moll-Musser-Neese-Polhemus-Rieth-Reitz-Reichelderfer > Sampsell-Shipman-Stetler-Swartz-Weygand-Wolfhardt-Wayne-Zettlemoyer > > Visit my Ahnentafel Chart at:<http://www.geocities.com/jshendricks/> > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > > >

Thanks to all who posted a response to my request for help. I do appreciate. -- Regards, John Shipman Hendricks Vero Beach, FL 32968 ______________________________Researching:___________________________ Auchmuty-Brady-Bogar-Campbell--Dunkelberger-Everet-Faeg-Ferster-Fisher Gotschalk-Haas-Heim--Hendricks-Henni-Hile-Johnson-Karg-Kerschner-Lytle McKinney-Mineger-Moll-Musser-Neese-Polhemus-Rieth-Reitz-Reichelderfer Sampsell-Shipman-Stetler-Swartz-Weygand-Wolfhardt-Wayne-Zettlemoyer Visit my Ahnentafel Chart at:<http://www.geocities.com/jshendricks/> _____________________________________________________________________

Go to the Dogpile search engine white pages. type in Donald Messner, and you will find many Donald Messners located in Pennsylvania and though out the country.

I am trying to find a a specific family: Grace Vought, b 19 Mar 1908, married Arthur Messner. They had five children to my knowledge. In the 1930's and 1940's they lived on E Court St, Sunbury. Their 3rd child was Donald Messner and was born in 1930. Donald Messner and the are 7th cousins. Our common ancestors are Robert Cample and his unknown spouse. As young boys in the 30's, Donald and I lived with our families on East Court Street in Sunbury and attended the Hill Elementary School at the corner of 11th and Chestnut Streets in Sunbury. As young boys we were best friends. When my family moved from the neighborhood to Tamaqua, Schuylkill County, Pennsylvania (my father was then a State Game Protector for Schuylkill County), Donald Messner spent a one-week summer vacation with us in 1941. That was 60 plus years ago and although we were close boyhood friends we have not seen each other again since that time. The irony is that the Messner family was found while I was entering genealogical data from a book called "A Genealogy of Selectred Northumberland County Pennsylvania Pioneer Families from the Arrival of the Immigrant Ancestors to the Present Time" Part Six, (The Vought (Voght, Voight, Voigt) Family), compiled by Joseph A. Meiser, Jr., B.S., Ph.D. and Sarah Roadarmel Meiser, 1978, page 15. The mother, Grace Vought, was a daughter of Bertram Vought and Ida R. Bordner. If anyone in the Sunbury area knows the whereabouts of Donald Messner or any other of his family, I would very much appreciate an address where I might contact him. -- Regards, John Shipman Hendricks Vero Beach, FL 32968 ______________________________Researching:___________________________ Auchmuty-Brady-Bogar-Campbell--Dunkelberger-Everet-Faeg-Ferster-Fisher Gotschalk-Haas-Heim--Hendricks-Henni-Hile-Johnson-Karg-Kerschner-Lytle McKinney-Mineger-Moll-Musser-Neese-Polhemus-Rieth-Reitz-Reichelderfer Sampsell-Shipman-Stetler-Swartz-Weygand-Wolfhardt-Wayne-Zettlemoyer Visit my Ahnentafel Chart at:<http://www.geocities.com/jshendricks/> _____________________________________________________________________

Have you tried the Social Security Death Index (SSDI)? There are seven Donald Messners listed there, one of which was born in 1930. The SSDI is available free on the Rootsweb website, and also on other websites. --- John Shipman Hendricks <JSHendricks@earthlink.net> wrote: > I am trying to find a a specific family: Grace > Vought, b 19 Mar > 1908, married Arthur Messner. They had five > children to my knowledge. > In the 1930's and 1940's they lived on E Court St, > Sunbury. Their 3rd > child was Donald Messner and was born in 1930. > Donald Messner and the > are 7th cousins. Our common ancestors are Robert > Cample and his unknown > spouse. As young boys in the 30's, Donald and I > lived with our families > on East Court Street in Sunbury and attended the > Hill Elementary School > at the corner of 11th and Chestnut Streets in > Sunbury. As young boys we > were best friends. When my family moved from the > neighborhood to > Tamaqua, Schuylkill County, Pennsylvania (my father > was then a State > Game Protector for Schuylkill County), Donald > Messner spent a one-week > summer vacation with us in 1941. That was 60 plus > years ago and > although we were close boyhood friends we have not > seen each other again > since that time. > The irony is that the Messner family was found > while I was > entering genealogical data from a book called "A > Genealogy of Selectred > Northumberland County Pennsylvania Pioneer Families > from the Arrival of > the Immigrant Ancestors to the Present Time" Part > Six, (The Vought > (Voght, Voight, Voigt) Family), compiled by Joseph > A. Meiser, Jr., > B.S., Ph.D. and Sarah Roadarmel Meiser, 1978, page > 15. The mother, > Grace Vought, was a daughter of Bertram Vought and > Ida R. Bordner. > If anyone in the Sunbury area knows the > whereabouts of Donald > Messner or any other of his family, I would very > much appreciate an > address where I might contact him. > -- > Regards, > John Shipman Hendricks > Vero Beach, FL 32968 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003

I'm trying to locate Cindy Little, who is researching the Lubold and Mervine families of Mt. Carmel, PA. She hasn't answered my e-mail and was wondering if anyone could help me find her. Marilyn Sheinberg Researching: Williams, Carl, Crawford, Lubold, Mervine

In a message dated 12/31/2003 12:46:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, boozeman@pcspower.net writes: > I did not see a Hamilton Township on my list of townships for > Northumberland > County - there is a section just outside Sunbury - heading on route 61 > towards Shamokin - known as Hamilton. It would be a Sunbury RD address. > > The Hamilton mentioned above is in Upper Augusta township.

I did not see a Hamilton Township on my list of townships for Northumberland County - there is a section just outside Sunbury - heading on route 61 towards Shamokin - known as Hamilton. It would be a Sunbury RD address. ----- Original Message ----- From: <KDale60909@aol.com> To: <PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:16 AM Subject: [PANORTHU-L] Hamilton twp? > Can anyone tell me what happened to Hamilton Twp? Where it was, what became > of it? I find a Samuel Culver in Hamilton on 1786, 1788 tax lists, but later > that particular township seems to go away! > > Thanks! > Karen Dale > Larkspur CO >

OOPS - subject line was to be WOLFE, not Wolk Sue

My Northumberland names: James WILSON b. 1845, immigrated from Scotland 1884 Annie WILSON PEIFER b. 1871, immig. from Scotland 1885 Harry E. PEIFER b. 1873 Sarah A. WOLFE b. 1844, Schuylkill Co. Henry Albert PEIFER b. 1851 Other related names: BLESSING, NEISWENDER, FOWLER, DRUMHELLER, DRUMHEISER, ENGLISH, EASTBURN, TAYLOR Sue Marcus In a message dated 12/30/03 7:41:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, cwbecken@webtv.net writes: > > You failed to mention your grandfather's name. I follow > Northumberland too and > did not see your "first"letter. Did you send > one with his name given in that letter? >

I am currently engaged in a research project on Robert MAC KAY who lived in the Shamokin township area of Northumberland county PA during the time of the American Revolutionary war. I have the following on Robert: b 1728 Sutherland shire, Scotland d 1784 in Shamokin township from wounds suffered in the American Revolutionary war. married in 1772 Jeanette McDONALD (dau. of William and unknown CAMPBELL) may have arrived from Greenock, Scotland on board the Saint Andrew in either 1768 or 1772 I have the names of 2 of 9 children John b 1778 d 1850 settled in Caledonia, Livingston County, N.Y. Hector settled in Conesus, Livingston County, N.Y. Any information would be greatly appreciated and I am more than happy to share what I have. Rick Porter

Trisha: Most Pennsylvania immigrants of that era came through the port of Philadelphia. Don

--WebTV-Mail-9647-569 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit DEAR SUE You failed to mention your grandfather's name. I follow Northumberland too and did not see your "first"letter. Did you send one with his name given in that letter? I think this ti so neat to see you on line. We're usually exchanging jokes. With warm personal regards,Chuck --WebTV-Mail-9647-569 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-3114.bay.webtv.net (209.240.204.224) by storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:18:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [207.40.200.41]) by smtpin-3114.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id EF0F6FE24; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 13:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id hBULBdKd022849; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:11:39 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:11:39 -0700 X-Original-Sender: SMrcus@aol.com Tue Dec 30 14:11:39 2003 From: SMrcus@aol.com Message-ID: <119.2d6776ad.2d234403@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 16:11:31 EST Old-To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10705 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 Subject: [PANORTHU-L] Ship Ports Resent-Message-ID: <CO_1JC.A.pkF.Loe8_@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/9569 X-Loop: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: PANORTHU-L-request@rootsweb.com X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive I wouldn't rule anything out. My great grandfather entered the country through the port of Boston with his destination listed as "Shamokin Pa." His wife & children came the following year through New York. Sue Marcus --WebTV-Mail-9647-569--

I wouldn't rule anything out. My great grandfather entered the country through the port of Boston with his destination listed as "Shamokin Pa." His wife & children came the following year through New York. Sue Marcus

Can anyone tell me what port a ship might have come to in 1769-1770 if the family settled in Northumberland ? Trisha Fitz Randolph

Many came into Philadelphia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trisha Fitz Randolph" <FitzRandolphGenealogy@adelphia.net> To: <PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 11:29 AM Subject: [PANORTHU-L] ship ports > Can anyone tell me what port a ship might have come to in 1769-1770 if the family settled in Northumberland ? > > > Trisha Fitz Randolph > >