Hello I'm new to this list, looking for info on Predgo family from Coal ,Northumberland,County. Census 1920 say Antonio PREDGO b. 1866 in Russia. John PREDGO was my mothers first husband. Ernie WRIGHT Chesapeake,OH

Teri: Forgot to answer your question regarding the Florida research. As I recall he checked the time period, circa 1825 and the counties in existence then. From there it was a no brainer, Key West was in St. Johns County. This is an idea for you, verify the time period and location (best you can.) Check the counties in existence, then sign on to the rootsweb for the parent county. Make your query there, perhaps somebody will respond with some help or at least guidance as to where to look. Don Don

Teri: I have read through most of the PA archives books some years ago, as I recall there wasn't much on individuals like births/deads, etc. These are records of events, like battles, militia groups, legislature actions and perhaps population/growth data. Would not rule out Harrisburg, they may have some new information from other sources; worth a try anyway. Don

Does anyone know if there are still some of the booklets available for the St.Jacob's and Howerter Church Bicentennial which was held last year or any of the other souvenirs? I especially would like to purchase one of the booklets. Thanks so much, Sharon Wilcox wilcoxphoto@dmci.net

Very interesting!! At this point, I wonder if the PA State Archives or the Library in Harrisburg would be the best bet to find anything??? How did he find out the record was in another location? Thanks. Teri Teri: Can't be of much help, however usually all records are kept in the parent county of record. The classic story, along this line, a researcher was looking for an ancestor who lived in Key West, FL (now Monroe County) nothing could be found until the researcher discovered the record was in ST Johns County (St Augustine, north Florida) some 400 miles north. At the time there were just two organized counties in the state, thus St Johns was actually the entire eastern part of the state. Don Florida

Teri: Can't be of much help, however usually all records are kept in the parent county of record. The classic story, along this line, a researcher was looking for an ancestor who lived in Key West, FL (now Monroe County) nothing could be found until the researcher discovered the record was in ST Johns County (St Augustine, north Florida) some 400 miles north. At the time there were just two organized counties in the state, thus St Johns was actually the entire eastern part of the state. Don Florida

Could someone help me with a church, birth or other lookup for the above person or surname. My dilemma is that supposedly he was born in PA but I have no idea where. Other Brigance members were supposedly born around 1740 in PA as well. At that time, there were only 4 counties: Lancaster, Chester, Philadelphia and Bucks. I have searched in Philadelphia and Lancaster but I wonder when the counties split if the information went with another county outside of the Philadelphia area. Thanks!!!!! Teri Tighe Southern New Jersey

Found it. Baptism of Conrad Reichely was in the Regormed Congregation in Lower Saucon Twp, Northumberland. That's where I got the "reformed" idea. kay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nelson Sulouff" <zuli@sprintmail.com> To: <PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [PANORTHU-L] Northumbertland Churches > Hello Kay and other Listers, > > Confusion of information has led you to seek a "Reformed Lutheran" > church. There never has been a church of that name. If you have come > across the term "Reformed Lutheran" in some source account, it is an > error. The error is not all that uncommon, and it grows out of > misunderstanding the history the Calvinists and the Lutherans who were > brought by the thousands from Germany to populate the land granted to > William Penn by the British Crown. > > Beginning in the 18th Century, in hundreds of German-speaking > communities in Pennsylvania, a German Reformed (AKA Calvinist) > congregation and a Lutheran congregation often shared use of the same > church building. The normal practice was that one Sunday worship would > be led by a Reformed minister, if available, and the next Sunday worship > would be led in the same building by a Lutheran minister, if available. > In most cases those from the community who were Reformed and also those > who were Lutheran would attend worship in the same church building every > Sunday, regardless of whether the service followed the Reformed or the > Lutheran liturgy. However, when the German Reformed pastor administered > communion, those who were Reformed members would go forward and receive > the elements, while the Lutherans would normally remain seated. When the > Lutheran pastor administered communion, the Lutherans would go forward > to receive the elements, and the Reformed would normally remain in their > seats. Even though there were many intermarriages between members of the > two different congregations, the two congregations in these cooperative > arrangements did not merge to become one congregation: they maintained > their separate identities as Reformed or as Lutheran congregations. > These church buildings, where such cooperation took place between the > two congregations, were consistently but unofficially referred to as > "Union Churches." By the mid-20th Century most of these "Union Churches" > in Pennsylvania had dissolved their relationships and communities ended > up having one church building for a Reformed congregation and another > for a Lutheran congregation. > > The Dreisbach Church, was a "union church" founded in the late 1780s by > Lutheran and Reformed congregations. It was the most prominent (if not > the only) church in Buffalo Valley in the 1790s. The Dreisbach Family > maintains a Website highlighting this historic church at > http://www.dreisbachfamily.org/church.html . You might want to contact > the Dreisbach Family Organization to ask if the Dreisbach cemetery > gravesites have been catalogued. Their Webpage is at > http://www.dreisbachfamily.org/ . You also might ask if there is a way > to determine whether your ancestors belonged to the Reformed or to the > Lutheran congregation at Dreisbach. The "union" arrangement ended at > Dreisbach in 1963. The Reformed congregation remained in the historic > church building, four miles north of New Berlin, and through subsequent > mergers eventually became the Dreisbach United Church Of Christ. The > Lutheran congregation built a new church and became Faith Lutheran > Church, two miles west of Lewisburg on Rt. 45. > > Information about the archives of the early German Reformed churches in > Pennsylvania can best be accessed by going to the Website at > http://www.rca.org/aboutus/archives/ . > > Information about the archives of the early Lutheran churches in > Pennsylvania can best be accessed by going to the Website at > http://www.elca.org/os/archives/ . At that Website be sure to click on > "ELCA Regional Archives," and on the resultant Webpage scroll down to > "Region 8" for Pennsylvania. > > To search census and tax records, be aware that Buffalo Township was > created in 1772 while that area was part of Northumberland Co. Then East > Buffalo Twp. was created in 1792 from Buffalo Twp., while the area was > still in Northumberland Co. That area came into Union Co. when Union Co. > was taken off of Northumberland Co. in 1813. > > Happy hunting, > > Rev. Nelson R. Sulouff > Lutheran pastor from Northumberland Co. Pennsylvania, retired in Arizona > > ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kay Hoover" <shutterbug390@earthlink.net> > To: <PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 1:43 PM > Subject: [PANORTHU-L] Northumbertland Churches > > > > Where would a Reformed Lutheran in East Buffalo (now Union County) > have attended church in 1795-1800? > > > > Any help appreciated > > > > Kay in CA > >

Hello Kay and other Listers, Confusion of information has led you to seek a "Reformed Lutheran" church. There never has been a church of that name. If you have come across the term "Reformed Lutheran" in some source account, it is an error. The error is not all that uncommon, and it grows out of misunderstanding the history the Calvinists and the Lutherans who were brought by the thousands from Germany to populate the land granted to William Penn by the British Crown. Beginning in the 18th Century, in hundreds of German-speaking communities in Pennsylvania, a German Reformed (AKA Calvinist) congregation and a Lutheran congregation often shared use of the same church building. The normal practice was that one Sunday worship would be led by a Reformed minister, if available, and the next Sunday worship would be led in the same building by a Lutheran minister, if available. In most cases those from the community who were Reformed and also those who were Lutheran would attend worship in the same church building every Sunday, regardless of whether the service followed the Reformed or the Lutheran liturgy. However, when the German Reformed pastor administered communion, those who were Reformed members would go forward and receive the elements, while the Lutherans would normally remain seated. When the Lutheran pastor administered communion, the Lutherans would go forward to receive the elements, and the Reformed would normally remain in their seats. Even though there were many intermarriages between members of the two different congregations, the two congregations in these cooperative arrangements did not merge to become one congregation: they maintained their separate identities as Reformed or as Lutheran congregations. These church buildings, where such cooperation took place between the two congregations, were consistently but unofficially referred to as "Union Churches." By the mid-20th Century most of these "Union Churches" in Pennsylvania had dissolved their relationships and communities ended up having one church building for a Reformed congregation and another for a Lutheran congregation. The Dreisbach Church, was a "union church" founded in the late 1780s by Lutheran and Reformed congregations. It was the most prominent (if not the only) church in Buffalo Valley in the 1790s. The Dreisbach Family maintains a Website highlighting this historic church at http://www.dreisbachfamily.org/church.html . You might want to contact the Dreisbach Family Organization to ask if the Dreisbach cemetery gravesites have been catalogued. Their Webpage is at http://www.dreisbachfamily.org/ . You also might ask if there is a way to determine whether your ancestors belonged to the Reformed or to the Lutheran congregation at Dreisbach. The "union" arrangement ended at Dreisbach in 1963. The Reformed congregation remained in the historic church building, four miles north of New Berlin, and through subsequent mergers eventually became the Dreisbach United Church Of Christ. The Lutheran congregation built a new church and became Faith Lutheran Church, two miles west of Lewisburg on Rt. 45. Information about the archives of the early German Reformed churches in Pennsylvania can best be accessed by going to the Website at http://www.rca.org/aboutus/archives/ . Information about the archives of the early Lutheran churches in Pennsylvania can best be accessed by going to the Website at http://www.elca.org/os/archives/ . At that Website be sure to click on "ELCA Regional Archives," and on the resultant Webpage scroll down to "Region 8" for Pennsylvania. To search census and tax records, be aware that Buffalo Township was created in 1772 while that area was part of Northumberland Co. Then East Buffalo Twp. was created in 1792 from Buffalo Twp., while the area was still in Northumberland Co. That area came into Union Co. when Union Co. was taken off of Northumberland Co. in 1813. Happy hunting, Rev. Nelson R. Sulouff Lutheran pastor from Northumberland Co. Pennsylvania, retired in Arizona ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Hoover" <shutterbug390@earthlink.net> To: <PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 1:43 PM Subject: [PANORTHU-L] Northumbertland Churches > Where would a Reformed Lutheran in East Buffalo (now Union County) have attended church in 1795-1800? > > Any help appreciated > > Kay in CA

I am in search of an elusive colonial John Steele, who was 'born on Mars and died in Kentucky 1823." This John Steele may have come into Kentucky through PA. He was in KY by 1800, likely a few years before. On the Northumberland county genweb site & rootsweb archives, I noticed a John Steele on the 1790 census for Northumberland Co., with six women in the hh, which would be right for my guy. I also noticed a John Steele who d.1812, which of course would eliminate the John Steele as "my guy". My question is, does anyone know if the Northumberland Co. John Steele with six women in his household 1790 is the same man who is listed in the Northumberland wills index as having a will 1812? Thanks, Kathryn

Where would a Reformed Lutheran in East Buffalo (now Union County) have attended church in 1795-1800? Any help appreciated Kay in CA

No, I married into a Norweigan family whose original name was Behrens.I don't know anything about the churches, because there were so many of them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Hatten" <linda@hatten.org> To: <PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 8:10 PM Subject: RE: [PANORTHU-L] Unidentified Photo > My family is Lithuanian, so I don't think that the photo is related to > my family. > > My question for you, Marie - Is Berens Lithuanian? My family name is > Bayruns and my grandfather came from Lithuania around 1909. My > great-grandmother came from Lithuania, but I'm not sure when. My > grandmother was born in the Mount Carmel area in 1899. The best spelling > I have for her name is Bobonits. I'm not sure if my great-grandmother > was married or what. > > Does any of this sound familiar to you or anyone else? > > Does anyone know where Lithuanian folk went to church in Mount Carmel > around 1899? > > I appreciate any help anyone can give me. > > -----Original Message----- > From: theberens@charter.net [mailto:theberens@charter.net] > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 1:11 PM > To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PANORTHU-L] Unidentified Photo > > If anyone is researching a Polish family from the Mount Carmel Area, I > just posted a photograph of a child's funderal under the Photo Album on > this page. I'd like to get this photo back to it's rightful family. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~panorthu/ > >

My family is Lithuanian, so I don't think that the photo is related to my family. My question for you, Marie - Is Berens Lithuanian? My family name is Bayruns and my grandfather came from Lithuania around 1909. My great-grandmother came from Lithuania, but I'm not sure when. My grandmother was born in the Mount Carmel area in 1899. The best spelling I have for her name is Bobonits. I'm not sure if my great-grandmother was married or what. Does any of this sound familiar to you or anyone else? Does anyone know where Lithuanian folk went to church in Mount Carmel around 1899? I appreciate any help anyone can give me. -----Original Message----- From: theberens@charter.net [mailto:theberens@charter.net] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 1:11 PM To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PANORTHU-L] Unidentified Photo If anyone is researching a Polish family from the Mount Carmel Area, I just posted a photograph of a child's funderal under the Photo Album on this page. I'd like to get this photo back to it's rightful family. http://www.rootsweb.com/~panorthu/

If anyone is researching a Polish family from the Mount Carmel Area, I just posted a photograph of a child's funderal under the Photo Album on this page. I'd like to get this photo back to it's rightful family. http://www.rootsweb.com/~panorthu/

Hello Bill & Barbara, I have a 4th great grandfather, Jacob Bauman b. 2/1/1752 in Germany. He died 5/16/1829 in Hebe, lower Northumberland Co. Here is a paragraph drawn from my family history about him: "Jacob was born in Germany and emigrated to America, settling in Berks Co. PA. It is believed that his wife, Susanna BRUCK, was probably born in Berks Co., and apparently this is where they were married. They had nine children: names are given in a note attached to their daughter Hannah (below). It is shown by tax records that Jacob BAUMAN>BOWMAN moved to lower Northumberland Co. after 1793 and probably around 1795." Rev. Lester G. Shannon of Williamsport, Pa., who in the 1930's and 1940's researched his wife's (GEISE) family tree, provided much of the "family information" I have on this Bauman/Bowman family and their descendants. Judging from birthdates for their children, it is estimated that Jacob married Susanna Bruck in Berks Co. sometime before 1777. Rev. Shannon recorded Susanna's birthdate as 3/3/1758, location unknown, and her death in Hebe as 12/2/1827. About 12 years ago I composed the paragraphs quoted below for a file on a daughter of Jacob and Susanna named Hannah. She married Samuel GEISE of Northumberland Co. They were my 3rd great grandparents. "Records preserved by the GEISE family show that Hannah's parents, Jacob and Susanna (BRUCK/BRUCH) BAUMAN (later BOWMAN), had nine children. Their names are apparently written in the order typically found in 18th-19th Pennsylvania German wills and other family records, i.e., male children first in the order of their births followed by female children. The female children lack birthdates in the family records, but presumably their names are also arranged according to the order of their births. These records include: Jacob 1777-1859; Samuel 1779-1856; John 1780-1859; Henry 1780-1860; Elizabeth HARTER; Susanna CLARK; Polly CLARK; Sarah RETTINGER; and Hannah GEISE. It is not known if John and Henry were twins, as might appear simply from their same year of birth. Since Hannah is listed last, and family records indicate that Hannah was born in Berks Co. PA, it appears likely that the eight siblings listed before Hannah in this particular WFT CD were also born in Berks Co. Broderbund's WORLD FAMILY TREE (WFT), CD#4, Pedigree #922, provides some variations. This CD lists eleven children for Susanna's parents as follows: Heinrich 8/16/1798-3/6/1866 married to Catharine TROUTMAN, Jacob, John, Susanna, Samuel, Sarah married to Peter RETTINGER, Mary married to John CLARK, Catharine (not named in Geise family records), Hannah married to Samuel GEISEL (sic), Elizabeth married to Mathias Harter, and Martha (not in Geise family records). It might be presumed that the two children named in this list who are not named in Geise family records died young. It is instructive to note that in this list two of Susanna's sisters are listed after her, which makes it possible they were born after the family moved to Northumberland Co. The extensive family tree on this CD records up to seven generations of descendants. Another Broderbund WFT, viz., CD#2, Pedigree #6286, also includes this family and provides names for up to eight generations." Please note that the mentions of "CLARK" in the WFT trees raise questions for me. It appears you might tie into my BAUMAN>BOWMAN line through the marriage of Susanna or Polly to a man named CLARK, or through the marriage of "Mary to John Clark." I have not tried to sort out the Bowman-Clark relationship(s) found in the trees on WFT CDs. I presume you understand that these trees published on the WFT CDs are not proven but contain information provided gratis by various researchers, often with varied reliability. Also, I presume you know that "Polly" is a nickname rather than a name given at birth, so perhaps "Polly" and "Mary" could be one and the same. Please let me know if either of you have an answer to the questions the WFT trees raise for me. If it appears I can contribute anything further, I will be happy to correspond with you at greater length about my BAUMAN>BOWMAN line. Best wishes, Rev. Nelson R. Sulouff Admin for SULOUFF & SULOFF ListServs and Boards- SULOUFF-Admin@RootsWeb.com Admin for NOETLING ListServ and Boards- NOETLING-Admin@RootsWeb.com Admin for GEISS and GEISE ListServs and Boards- GEISE-Admin@RootsWeb.com Admin for KRIGBAUM ListServ and Boards- KRIGBAUM-Admin@RootsWeb.com Publications: "Johannes Zulauf, Soldier-Immigrant, Father of Sulouffs and Suloffs In America," (Parts I and II), published by JOURNAL OF THE JOHANNES SCHWALM HISTORICAL ASSN.; Vol 5, No. 4 (1996) and Vol. 6, No. 1 (1997) A SULOUFF AND SULOFF FAMILY HISTORY (678 pp., 174 graphics, over 3350 indexed names, 680 source footnotes). Copyrighted 2001-2003, Library of Congress call number CS71.Z8662001 Website for earliest history of the SULOUFF>SULOFF family: http://www.apexsystems.net/users/Nelson/ My Ahnentafel: http://searches1.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/archives/pa/northumberland/xmisc/nels0001.txt ///////////////////////////////////////////////// ----- Original Message ----- From: "william dietrich" <dietrichpa@adelphia.net> To: <PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [PANORTHU-L] William Clark > Hi, me again!! what are you after on William Clark and Susanna Bowman.?? > Susanna, was sister to my great grandfather. John. she died 9/17/1909. in > Tower city. Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Homelybin@aol.com> > To: <PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 7:38 AM > Subject: [PANORTHU-L] William Clark > > > > I am looking for information on William Clark b approx 1828 died 1869 in > > Northumberland he was married to Susanna Bowman she was born approx. 1830 > Hebe > > > > I find a listing for a William in my St. David's Lutheran and Reformed > > Church Book as being born Apr (n.r.) 1839 baptized June 16, 1839 parents > David > > Clark and Hannah. I am not sure if this is the William I am looking for. > > > > I am looking for a birth date and death date - also who his parents may > have > > been to verify the above info. I have tried searching the ancestry census > 1850 > > & 1860 and find nothing. Would any one know where he is buried? I don't > > find him listed in the Cemetery Records of St. Davids > > > > If anyone can help I would appreciate it. > > Barbara in Louisiana email address: homelybin@aol.com

Hi, me again!! what are you after on William Clark and Susanna Bowman.?? Susanna, was sister to my great grandfather. John. she died 9/17/1909. in Tower city. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: <Homelybin@aol.com> To: <PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 7:38 AM Subject: [PANORTHU-L] William Clark > I am looking for information on William Clark b approx 1828 died 1869 in > Northumberland he was married to Susanna Bowman she was born approx. 1830 Hebe > > I find a listing for a William in my St. David's Lutheran and Reformed > Church Book as being born Apr (n.r.) 1839 baptized June 16, 1839 parents David > Clark and Hannah. I am not sure if this is the William I am looking for. > > I am looking for a birth date and death date - also who his parents may have > been to verify the above info. I have tried searching the ancestry census 1850 > & 1860 and find nothing. Would any one know where he is buried? I don't > find him listed in the Cemetery Records of St. Davids > > If anyone can help I would appreciate it. > Barbara in Louisiana email address: homelybin@aol.com > Researching:Schuylkill/Dauphin Cos. > Carl, Trion/Treon/Trean,Kolb,Clark.Bowman/Bauman, Troutman/Trautman, Bruch, > Jury, Schupp/Shoop,Yeager,Matter,Kaiser,Brand,Hengen,Klein,Schaffner, Young, > Miller,Barr,Knoll/Noll/Null,Bashore/Bashoar/Boeshoar,Tshoop,Meyer,Roth, > Philadelphia PA area: > Brenneisen,Nagle,Bechtel,Mann,Pomroy,McNamee >

I am looking for information on William Clark b approx 1828 died 1869 in Northumberland he was married to Susanna Bowman she was born approx. 1830 Hebe I find a listing for a William in my St. David's Lutheran and Reformed Church Book as being born Apr (n.r.) 1839 baptized June 16, 1839 parents David Clark and Hannah. I am not sure if this is the William I am looking for. I am looking for a birth date and death date - also who his parents may have been to verify the above info. I have tried searching the ancestry census 1850 & 1860 and find nothing. Would any one know where he is buried? I don't find him listed in the Cemetery Records of St. Davids If anyone can help I would appreciate it. Barbara in Louisiana email address: homelybin@aol.com Researching:Schuylkill/Dauphin Cos. Carl, Trion/Treon/Trean,Kolb,Clark.Bowman/Bauman, Troutman/Trautman, Bruch, Jury, Schupp/Shoop,Yeager,Matter,Kaiser,Brand,Hengen,Klein,Schaffner, Young, Miller,Barr,Knoll/Noll/Null,Bashore/Bashoar/Boeshoar,Tshoop,Meyer,Roth, Philadelphia PA area: Brenneisen,Nagle,Bechtel,Mann,Pomroy,McNamee

>From the Harrisburg PA Patriot-News, Monday, March 8, 2004 Malcomb C. "Pete" FARROW III, 92, of 240 W. Chestnut St, Shamokin, died Saturday, March 6, 2004, at Shamokin Area Community Hospital. Born August 13, 1911, in Shamokin PA, son of the late Daniel R. G. FARROW, Sr., E. Marguerite SHOENER. He was a Funeral Director and ran Farrow Funeral Directors for many years. He married Mary Irene SHOENER on April 8, 1939 in Trevorton. She died on October 28, 2002. Malcomb was a member of First Presbyterian Church, Shamokin; former President of Board of Trustees; Past Chairman of the Board of Guarantee Trust & Safe Deposit Company, Shamokin; served as President of the Shamokin Area Industrial Corporation for 39 years; was a graduate of Shamokin High School 1929; Temple University 1933; and Eckels College of Embalming 1937. He served in the South Pacific Theater in World War II. Surviving are 3 children, Malcomb C. FARROW IV, Andrew S. FARROW, and Sandra J. FARROW, all of Shamokin and 9 grandchildren. Funeral services will be on Wed, March 10th at 11 a.m. from Farrow Funeral Home, Shamokin, with Rev. Gene GORDON and Rev. Ted PLOTT officiating. Burial will be in the Odd Fellows Cemetery, Shamokin. Visitation will be on Tuesday evening from 7-9 p.m. at the funeral home. ************************************************ Seemed appropriate to pass this on since Mr. Farrow has been a great help to genealogists by allowing his records to be published. Sue Peifer Marcus

Hello List, I am trying to find some info on my 3rd gr. grandmother. I have very little info on her. She married in PA. possibly Union Town, to Samuel Harris b. 1800/1810 Union Town, PA. They moved to Clayton Co., IA abt. 1856 and lived there until they died. They are buried in Bethel Cemetery. Living close to them on the 1880 census is a William Dinges 59 PA he states his parents were both born in VA. his wife is Sarah J. 47 and list children: Sarah A. 17 Margaret ? 15 Marietta 13 Lizzie 10 Emma 8 Georgia 6 Lily 4 Minnie 3 Phebe 19 Eliza and William may be siblings or related some other way. And on the 1870 census for Mallory, Clayton Co., IA Samuel and Eliza Dinges Harris have a Attace Dinges living with them. If anyone can help me with who Eliza's parents are I would be very grateful. =) Thank you, Sincerely, Cheryl

Does anyone know if there are any old photographer's records available for any of the photographer's operating in the Shamokin/Mount Carmel areas?