Ruth E. Snyder, age 80, of 400 Tharp Street, Coal Township, died Wednesday morning in the Shamokin Area Community Hospital. She was born in Northumberland County on December 31, 1923, the daughter of the late Byron and Laura (Dailey) Mertz. She married Roger A. Snyder on December 10, 1942. She graduated from Coal Township High School. In addition to her husband, she is survived by 2 daughters, Mary A. Reider of Landisburg and Nancy J. Fox of Middletown; 4 brothers, Russell Mertz of Pine Grove, Kenneth Mertz of Coal Township, Jack Mertz of Northumberland and Thomas Mertz of Danville; and 5 sisters, Rachel Raker of Paxinos, Lucille Dimmick of Coal Township, Marjorie Stametz of Overlook, Frances Weaver of Shamokin and Lois Walburn of LaMesa, California. She was preceded in death by 1 daughter, Diana Shaffer; a granddaughter, Loni Shaffer; 2 brothers, Byron Mertz, Jr. and Joseph Mertz; and 1 sister, Cleo. A memorial service will be held on Sunday at 2 p.m. in the Jerre Wirt Blank Funeral Home, 395 State Street, Sunbury, with the Rev. Albert N. Schell, Jr. officiating. Burial will take place at a later date in the Northumberland Memorial Park, Stonington. There will be no viewing but friends may call at the funeral home on Sunday from 1 p.m. until the time of service. In lieu of flowers, contributions may be made to the American Lung Association, 3001 Old Gettysburg Road, Camp Hill, PA 17011. www.pennlive.com/obits Published in the Patriot-News on 4/22/2004.

In looking for my Mary Ann Rockwell before she was married in 1865 probably in Mt Carmel Pa at the young age of 16 . I find this name Mary MAHANOCK A Mary and John in 1860 Mary is 9 and John is 7. My Mary should be 9 the same year. . Both Mary and John are living in Mt Carmel in 1860 with older people from Ireland not parents in a large boarding home but these kids are born in PA. My Mary Ann parents are suppose to be born in Wales. Maybe Mac cay/Mackey/Macky etc That the name another family member gave to me but I can not find her in 1860 under any similiar name. But all I find is the strange name above and can't find John later either. I do not have 1850 census to hunt for a similiar name for her folks. Jeanie

This is an interesting name in the old Shamokin Cemetery. There is no other MISSOURI Is Indian ???. 1872 Sally Missouri, July 28, Small Pox, Blank, July 28, Blank

Ray, so do I. A distant cousin says she remembers Sarah (unknown) sitting on the porch smoking her corncob pipe in the Tamaqua area. Apparently either a Frank or a Jacob Maury (various spellings) "went west for awhile' and came back with an "Indian" bride. I have records on the Maury's in Schuylkill county, but cannot find Sarah. We are not even sure if her name was Sarah in reality. Somewhat frustrating, huh? Rita ----- Original Message ----- From: ray<mailto:ray@ussonet.net> To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [PANORTHU-L] Indians in family? Rita I have to major lines that fit into this cagegory. I prefer to believe that they just "came in out of the woods" Both my Young and Ware lines seem to have appeared from nowhere. In the early 1800's 2 of Sam Youngs sons married daughters of Malachi Ware so they could have had something in common. It is also known that some "Indian Traders" had 2 families. They had one recorded family in the city and another family with an Indian girl "on the fronteir". Of course there are no "white man's records" of the family in the woods. This arrangement made it easier for him to trade with the Indians. Ray --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com<http://www.grisoft.com/>). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 4/9/04

Thank you very much. I always appreciate your contributions and read them religiously. You have given me many clues and ideas! Thanks. Margaret Calvin. >Margaret, > >It is wise to post any questions having to do with Hessian soldiers who >remained in America on the AmRev-Hessians ListServ. They have >subscribers who will answer a lot of questions. Subscribe through E-mail >to AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com and send postings to >AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com . > >Nelson R. Sulouff > >///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Marguerite Crist Calvin" <cristcalvin@ohiohills.com> >To: <PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 5:38 PM >Subject: Re: [PANORTHU-L] Indians in family? > > >> Afraid I don't have anything for you but I find this such a >> coincidence. Karenhappuck Stillwell or Stillwater married John >> MEIDT/Might sometime after the war. John was a Hessian, who stayed in >> America. He was in VA with a General and next we find him married to >> Karen known as Carrie. She was Indian. A lawyer in western Ohio did >> much work on this and believes he found the tribe . I have that paper >> somewhere. >> >> She supposedly had a son Silas YOUNG when she married John. At least >> there was a Silas Young in the family, and my motherinlaw told me he >> was Karen's son. I have never found proof of that and he apparently >> didn't stay around the family. Two of the Might girls married Welker >> boys, and all 6 of the Welkers came to SE Ohio. >> >> If you ever see anything that might apply to this story, I would sure >> love to have it. Haven't worked on it for a while because of >> frustration. And a Welker descendant took over that research and I >> gave him all of mine. (Copies, I learned early not to give all). Oh >> yes, Karenhappuck was a "healing" woman and the herbal knowledge was >> passed down to my husband's grandmother. >> >> Doesn't help you much, does it? Just thought it interesting with the >> Young name. Margaret Calvin >> >> >> >> >Hello >> > >> >There seems to be quite a bit of Indian heritage showing up here >> >so I will ask about my brick wall. >> > >> >Does anyone know of a YOUNG that was married to an Indian >> >or was raised by an Indian in the Northumberland/Cumberland >> >co area during the period around 1750. >> > >> >My Samuel Young was born in Cumberland co in 1762 and >> >served with the Northumberland co militia in 1778. We know >> >nothing of his parents but have many family stories about him >> >being part Indian. He was an "Indian Scout" at the battle >> >of King's Mountain and always lived in or near to "Indian >> >Territory". >> > >> >Thanks >> >Ray Young >> >

Rita I have to major lines that fit into this cagegory. I prefer to believe that they just "came in out of the woods" Both my Young and Ware lines seem to have appeared from nowhere. In the early 1800's 2 of Sam Youngs sons married daughters of Malachi Ware so they could have had something in common. It is also known that some "Indian Traders" had 2 families. They had one recorded family in the city and another family with an Indian girl "on the fronteir". Of course there are no "white man's records" of the family in the woods. This arrangement made it easier for him to trade with the Indians. Ray --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 4/9/04

Mybe that why some families seem to "fall off the planet." Rita ----- Original Message ----- From: ray<mailto:ray@ussonet.net> To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [PANORTHU-L] Indians in family? Margaret Thanks for the reply. It did not connect to my Sam but it did show that my theory is not completely absurd. It was illegal to marry an Indian but we know that it happened many times. Most of these families were' never recorded. Thanks again Ray Young --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com<http://www.grisoft.com/>). Version: 6.0.657 / Virus Database: 422 - Release Date: 4/13/04

According to what I've been reading, Shickellamy was born to a French father and a Cayuga mother and raised in the tribe. He was then captured by the Oneidas and raised in their tribe. Because of his mental acuity, he was selected by the Iroquois to represent the tribe in negotiations with the white man. He did this for 20 years. Two of Shickellamy's sons were Tachnechdorus and Tagahjute. The prior followed in his father's footsteps and became known as John. The later became known as James Logan. In error, Tachnechdorus became known as John Logan, brother of James Logan. I have not found references as to the nationality of Shickellamy's wife, but if she was a white woman, Shickellamy's sons would have been 3/4 white and 1/4 Indian. Never say never. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: hatcreekgirl To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 2:33 PM Subject: RE: [PANORTHU-L] Indians in family? Shikellamy a white man?!?!?!?! That’s a first. I live here, right down the road from Shamokin and Northumberland areas, we never heard of Shikellamy being white. He was of Susquehannock heritage and adopted into the Oniedas, as we know it. > -----Original Message----- > From: marysaerie [mailto:marysaerie@stny.rr.com] > http://96.1911encyclopedia.org/L/LO/LOGAN_SIR_WILLIAM_EDMOND.htm > LOGAN, JOHN (c. 1725-1780), also known as TAHGAHJUTE, American Indian > chief, a Cayuga by birth, was the son of Shikel-lamy, a white man who had > been captured when a child by the Indians, had been reared among them, and > had become chief of the Indians living on the Shamokin Creek in what is > now Northumberland county, Pennsylvania..... etc --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.657 / Virus Database: 422 - Release Date: 4/13/2004

Margaret Thanks for the reply. It did not connect to my Sam but it did show that my theory is not completely absurd. It was illegal to marry an Indian but we know that it happened many times. Most of these families were' never recorded. Thanks again Ray Young --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.657 / Virus Database: 422 - Release Date: 4/13/04

Margaret, It is wise to post any questions having to do with Hessian soldiers who remained in America on the AmRev-Hessians ListServ. They have subscribers who will answer a lot of questions. Subscribe through E-mail to AMREV-HESSIANS-L-request@rootsweb.com and send postings to AMREV-HESSIANS-L@rootsweb.com . Nelson R. Sulouff ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marguerite Crist Calvin" <cristcalvin@ohiohills.com> To: <PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [PANORTHU-L] Indians in family? > Afraid I don't have anything for you but I find this such a > coincidence. Karenhappuck Stillwell or Stillwater married John > MEIDT/Might sometime after the war. John was a Hessian, who stayed in > America. He was in VA with a General and next we find him married to > Karen known as Carrie. She was Indian. A lawyer in western Ohio did > much work on this and believes he found the tribe . I have that paper > somewhere. > > She supposedly had a son Silas YOUNG when she married John. At least > there was a Silas Young in the family, and my motherinlaw told me he > was Karen's son. I have never found proof of that and he apparently > didn't stay around the family. Two of the Might girls married Welker > boys, and all 6 of the Welkers came to SE Ohio. > > If you ever see anything that might apply to this story, I would sure > love to have it. Haven't worked on it for a while because of > frustration. And a Welker descendant took over that research and I > gave him all of mine. (Copies, I learned early not to give all). Oh > yes, Karenhappuck was a "healing" woman and the herbal knowledge was > passed down to my husband's grandmother. > > Doesn't help you much, does it? Just thought it interesting with the > Young name. Margaret Calvin > > > > >Hello > > > >There seems to be quite a bit of Indian heritage showing up here > >so I will ask about my brick wall. > > > >Does anyone know of a YOUNG that was married to an Indian > >or was raised by an Indian in the Northumberland/Cumberland > >co area during the period around 1750. > > > >My Samuel Young was born in Cumberland co in 1762 and > >served with the Northumberland co militia in 1778. We know > >nothing of his parents but have many family stories about him > >being part Indian. He was an "Indian Scout" at the battle > >of King's Mountain and always lived in or near to "Indian > >Territory". > > > >Thanks > >Ray Young > >

Afraid I don't have anything for you but I find this such a coincidence. Karenhappuck Stillwell or Stillwater married John MEIDT/Might sometime after the war. John was a Hessian, who stayed in America. He was in VA with a General and next we find him married to Karen known as Carrie. She was Indian. A lawyer in western Ohio did much work on this and believes he found the tribe . I have that paper somewhere. She supposedly had a son Silas YOUNG when she married John. At least there was a Silas Young in the family, and my motherinlaw told me he was Karen's son. I have never found proof of that and he apparently didn't stay around the family. Two of the Might girls married Welker boys, and all 6 of the Welkers came to SE Ohio. If you ever see anything that might apply to this story, I would sure love to have it. Haven't worked on it for a while because of frustration. And a Welker descendant took over that research and I gave him all of mine. (Copies, I learned early not to give all). Oh yes, Karenhappuck was a "healing" woman and the herbal knowledge was passed down to my husband's grandmother. Doesn't help you much, does it? Just thought it interesting with the Young name. Margaret Calvin >Hello > >There seems to be quite a bit of Indian heritage showing up here >so I will ask about my brick wall. > >Does anyone know of a YOUNG that was married to an Indian >or was raised by an Indian in the Northumberland/Cumberland >co area during the period around 1750. > >My Samuel Young was born in Cumberland co in 1762 and >served with the Northumberland co militia in 1778. We know >nothing of his parents but have many family stories about him >being part Indian. He was an "Indian Scout" at the battle >of King's Mountain and always lived in or near to "Indian >Territory". > >Thanks >Ray Young > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.657 / Virus Database: 422 - Release Date: 4/13/04

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that sounded strange about Shikellamy being white! John Formerly from Sunbury, now in Gettysburg

Hello There seems to be quite a bit of Indian heritage showing up here so I will ask about my brick wall. Does anyone know of a YOUNG that was married to an Indian or was raised by an Indian in the Northumberland/Cumberland co area during the period around 1750. My Samuel Young was born in Cumberland co in 1762 and served with the Northumberland co militia in 1778. We know nothing of his parents but have many family stories about him being part Indian. He was an "Indian Scout" at the battle of King's Mountain and always lived in or near to "Indian Territory". Thanks Ray Young --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.657 / Virus Database: 422 - Release Date: 4/13/04

Of course, other sources say it was whites who attached the logan name to the sons: from http://www.cynthiaswope.com/withinthevines/penna/native/Mingo.html " Conrad Weiser records in his journals that he had little difficulty distinguishing between Shikellamyís sons. The elder of the two was called Tachnechdours, or John, and the younger Tahgahjute, or James Logan, so named by his father in honor of the Secretary of the Provincial Council of Pennsylvania. For the next 15 years, both sons were generally referred to as the 'Shikellamies,' and it was not until 1765, when they went their separate ways, that white men began to attach to John's name the surname 'Logan,' by mistake. So it was that both brothers became 'Logan.' Without the name John or James attached to Logan, it became virtually impossible to tell which Logan was meant when spoken of. ....." --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.657 / Virus Database: 422 - Release Date: 4/13/2004

I think there may be confusion because shikellemy was friends with a white man named john logan, who was William penns secretary, and named his sons after him. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.657 / Virus Database: 422 - Release Date: 4/13/2004

Shikellamy a white man?!?!?!?! That’s a first. I live here, right down the road from Shamokin and Northumberland areas, we never heard of Shikellamy being white. He was of Susquehannock heritage and adopted into the Oniedas, as we know it. > -----Original Message----- > From: marysaerie [mailto:marysaerie@stny.rr.com] > http://96.1911encyclopedia.org/L/LO/LOGAN_SIR_WILLIAM_EDMOND.htm > LOGAN, JOHN (c. 1725-1780), also known as TAHGAHJUTE, American Indian > chief, a Cayuga by birth, was the son of Shikel-lamy, a white man who had > been captured when a child by the Indians, had been reared among them, and > had become chief of the Indians living on the Shamokin Creek in what is > now Northumberland county, Pennsylvania..... etc --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.657 / Virus Database: 422 - Release Date: 4/13/2004

Jeanie, Have a look at these sites: http://www.motherbedford.com/Indian8.htm http://it.stlawu.edu/~sacredcircle/lenape/index/index2/history/lenape_chief.htm http://www.english.udel.edu/lemay/franklin/1728.html http://www.english.udel.edu/lemay/franklin/1731.html http://96.1911encyclopedia.org/L/LO/LOGAN_SIR_WILLIAM_EDMOND.htm LOGAN, JOHN (c. 1725-1780), also known as TAHGAHJUTE, American Indian chief, a Cayuga by birth, was the son of Shikel-lamy, a white man who had been captured when a child by the Indians, had been reared among them, and had become chief of the Indians living on the Shamokin Creek in what is now Northumberland county, Pennsylvania..... etc http://www.bartleby.com/268/8/1.html Mary in her Aerie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeanie Stout To: PANORTHU-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: [PANORTHU-L] Indians in family? The story just does not die out we are suppose to be related to Indians. This is the closest I have found to Indain. Can any one please give me an idea who this LOGAN family might of been? 1728 Shicellamy/Swataney (Our Enlightner) a man of strong character and statesman like vision. The Iroquois confederacy appointed him as "King" of the Lenape in 1752 to replace Shingas. He was part Lenape and was go between for the Lenape and the Pennsylvania Government. He died at Shamokin in 1748. He had 4 sons. John Shickellamy and Tahgahjute who later became John and James Logan. Head Chief. . JAMES1 CHERRY He married MARGARET LOGAN June 05, 1760 in PA. . Floyd History book. . The name of James Cherry appears as a taxable in Shamokin township in 1788; he was probably the first settler, and cleared land at Luke Fidler, Springfield, (East end of a Shamokin on a Hill)Another member of this family had a distillery on the hill east of Shamokin. Thank you Jeanie

A photo has been placed for auction on Ebay. The photo is of a woman named Mary J. Hilbush. Notation indicates she is from Mahonoy, PA. The photographer is Krigbaum from Shamokin, PA. If Mary is part of your family, you may want to take a look at this auction. Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=13705&item=3286687583&rd=1 Good luck! Heather Makal

Hi All - Just wanted to let you know that a photo has been posted on Ebay for auction. The photo is of a young girl identified as the daughter of Mr. & Mrs. Edward Hilbush. Notation indicates she died in 1916. The photographer is Robert Swank of Shamokin, PA. If this girl is part of your family you may want to take a look. Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=14279&item=3286480613&rd=1 Good luck! Heather Makal

Hi All - Just wanted to let you know, a photo has been put up for auction on ebay. The photo is of a small boy identified as John Vandevender. The photographer is Robert Swank of Shamokin, PA. If John is part of your family you may want to take a look at this auction. Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=14279&item=3286480355&rd=1 Good luck! Heather Makal