I just received the pension papers for Joseph COLE, son of Elias and Catherine COLE. Joseph COLEs half brother and sister are David TITUS and Rebecca (TITUS) BURK. According to Rebecca BURKs testimony, Joseph COLE and her had the same mother, different fathers. The COLE family lived in Bushkill Township. Joseph COLEs other siblings are John COLE and Henrietta (COLE) BRUCH. I am willing to share any information from the COLE or TITUS family, but please share whatever information you have as well. Susan

Instead of fighting about sources, paying for sources, etc., and posting emails, lets get back to genealogy. Susan Stahley

Regarding the following from Judy. A question arises in my mind, "Dos Family Tree document everything they post and SELL"? On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 08:17:33 -0400 "wjnp" <starlite@nac.net> writes: > Dear Geri, I enjoy the many posts you write. I have even seen leads > to > ancestors that I am researching, but do not have the source and > cannot > document it from something I see posted on the site. -Judy > -----Original Message----- > From: wilma <darrhays@jetlink.net> > To: PANORTHA-L@rootsweb.com <PANORTHA-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2003 4:26 PM > Subject: [PANORTHA-L] Sources > > > >I agree with Jeff and Marge - without sources any information > becomes > useless except for clues to further research. I try to document all > my > information and gladly refer my sources to anyone. Wilma > > > > > > >

Geri, Thank you for taking the time to explain. --Jeff on 8/2/03 6:53 AM, geri brennan at gerifelker@webtv.net wrote: > I should not have to explain to anyone but here goes. 1. Did I ever ask > anyone of you for your source? 2. I have been told by more than several > people that Ancestory Com., puts my work on their board and has the > nerve to sell it, now should I put sources up for them too, I think not. > 3. Take Ritter for example, that came from 67 yes I said 67 sources, it > would be more than a chore to list them all. 4. If you make a hit, ask > for the source, but sometimes you have to wait, it may take a day, a > week or longer, when I get back to the source material. I may not use > some stuff for 6 months. 5. I have put many, many, many years gathering > my sources. > > Best Wishes, Geri >

Does anyone have a photocopy of the original Last Will of Johann Nicolaus Borger, proved June 1791? And a scanner? What I'm interested in is just a scan of the area of the Will that mentions the names of the two gentleman that Johann entrusted with his wishes for partitioning the land. Thanks much, Marie.

Thanx Geri for the source information you gave me on the Dundore family. Marg ============================================================= WEB SITE: <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/margbond/">Rose Family</A> SEARCHING: Bidlack, Crum, Dundore, Gottschalk, Hammond, Lemar, Martin, Mooney, Opliger, ROSE, Sennett, Sirk, Woodring. LOCATIONS: Northampton Co., PA; Rockingham Co., VA; Fairfield, Pickaway, Clinton, Greene, Ottawa Cos., OH; Wells, Adams, Elkhart, Grant Cos., IN; Kendall Co., IL =============================================================

Good for you Geri, I agree with you whole heartedly. Sue

Dear Geri, I enjoy the many posts you write. I have even seen leads to ancestors that I am researching, but do not have the source and cannot document it from something I see posted on the site. -Judy -----Original Message----- From: wilma <darrhays@jetlink.net> To: PANORTHA-L@rootsweb.com <PANORTHA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, July 31, 2003 4:26 PM Subject: [PANORTHA-L] Sources >I agree with Jeff and Marge - without sources any information becomes useless except for clues to further research. I try to document all my information and gladly refer my sources to anyone. Wilma > >

I should not have to explain to anyone but here goes. 1. Did I ever ask anyone of you for your source? 2. I have been told by more than several people that Ancestory Com., puts my work on their board and has the nerve to sell it, now should I put sources up for them too, I think not. 3. Take Ritter for example, that came from 67 yes I said 67 sources, it would be more than a chore to list them all. 4. If you make a hit, ask for the source, but sometimes you have to wait, it may take a day, a week or longer, when I get back to the source material. I may not use some stuff for 6 months. 5. I have put many, many, many years gathering my sources. Best Wishes, Geri

In a message dated 7/31/03 9:23:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, warnerlarry@juno.com writes: > Personally > I think the tone of these Northampton Roots e-mails > were not in good taste toward Geri or anyone else that > gives their time to lookup and hand out the information > that they do. I agree. We should appreciate the information. I have gotten nowhere with my PA families, and am always thrilled when others receive useful information.

Hi, since there are so many Brown families listed, I went to the Rev. war pension records to see if any Brown was listed from Northampton Co. ( I am no longer set-up to do one or one look-ups, I just do surnames) Brown, Peter, wife Elizabeth, NY and PA Lines, soldier was born in April 1748, lived at Sopas of Esopus, NY and in PA at enlistment, soldier applied 1832 in Rockingham, VA aged 84. Soldier had moved from Upper Milford in Northampton Co., PA in 1785 married 10 July 1778 and soldier died 23 May 1835. Children mentioned, Elizabeth, born 6 July 1779 married a Deitrick, Magdalen, born 20 Sept 1781, married a Duma, and soldier's son Peter Brown Jr. Brown, Robert, PA line, widow applied 1832 Northampton, PA aged 78, soldier had married Catharine Snyder on 29 June 1789 at Easton, PA and soldier died at Allen township 26 Feb 1823. Widow applied for BLW in 1856. Soldier and widow's son,William born 14 Aug 1792 (Brown, Robert. In Memory of General Robert Brown, a Pattriot and Soldier of the Revolution, who departed this life the 26 of Feb., 1823 aged 78years and two months) Boyd, William, PA Line, applied in Chester County,age 80 a resident of Bradford, vol. at Northampton, Bucks Co, soldier was born 23 Jan 1753 at Plumbstead Township in Bucks Co, after the war soldier lived in Northampton then moved to Upper Makefield then Chester County (now Delaware County) betweem the boroughs of Chester and Marcus Hook then to New London Crossroads then to Washington Co, then back to Chester Co in Nottingham township then to the Poor House at West Bradford PA Boyd, William, PA Line BLW (it seems this is the same as above) srv. as Lt. in PA Line, warrant was issued to John Boyd only surviving brother and heir at law of soldier (warrant issued 28 Feb 1795) Nancy Clyde, d/o James,(he died 1827, aged 78) she married a John Boyd of Northampton Boyd, Elizabeth, w/o Dr. John Boyd, died Aug 5, 1820, buried at East Allen and Zions Brown, Catharine, w/o Gen. Robert, died aged 91 y 8m 13d, buried at East Allen and Zions There was an Alexander Brown in Hamilton township, Monroe Co in 1810 1813 Estate of Philp Brown Plainfield Anna (Beer) wife of Peter Brown (1809) Lehigh township Estate of Amos Beer, Lehigh township, his daughter, Susannah, the wife of George Brown Estate of William Kromer, Allen township, widow Elizabeth,now the wife of George Brown (1799) Estate of Jane Brown, executor Robert Brown (1812) Estate of Adam Brown; petitioner, Peter Everhart husband of Magdalen, one daughte of the deceased (1810) Guardian for minor children of John Brown,, (all under age 14) children, Lettis, Molly, Samuel (1800) guardian for all the children, Joseph Horner, Adam Clendinen Boyd, Horace, subject, the son of Alexander Boyd and grandson of Copeland Boyd, of Goshenhoppen, Montgomery Co. Alexand Boyd was born in Goshenhoppen in 1826. He is buried at Bethlehem, Lehigh Co, he married Mary Fueher, d/o Henry Fueher. Children; Ellen the wife of Edwin Thomas, Horace, and Mary L,., married Edward H. Tait, of Easton. Horace, was born Aug 31, 1862, he married Oct18, 1887 to Emma E. Diehl, d/o Joseph and Mary (Weaver) Diehl of Hellertown. They had one child, Marion F. Monroe County-Chestnuthill township-assessments-1790 Bastin Brown Best Wishes, Geri

I believe that the person who was "Demanding To Know" was out of hand. Instead of carrying on like they did, they should have sent Geri a personal e-mail. Personally I think the tone of these Northampton Roots e-mails were not in good taste toward Geri or anyone else that gives their time to lookup and hand out the information that they do.

Some examples from ancestry.com. I can look these up for you if you want Georgette Ochs Bolser Anglestine View Image Online� State: PA Year: 1790 County: Bedford Roll: M637_9 Township: Unknown Township Page: 23 Image: 0136 ANGLESTINE, WILLIAM State: PA Year: 1850 County: Bucks County Record Type: Federal Population Schedule Township: Warwick Township Page: 117 Database: PA 1850 Federal Census Index Anglestine, John a View Image Online Age: 61 Year: 1920 Birthplace: Norway Roll: T625_788 Race: White Page: 11A State: Michigan ED: 144 County: Muskegon Image: 0857 Township: Muskegon -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anglestine, Geo. A. View Image Online Age: 41 Year: 1920 Birthplace: Italy Roll: T625_1170 Race: White Page: 4A State: New York ED: 1004 County: Kings Image: 0308 Township: Brooklyn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1880 United States Federal Census has 7 match(es) for: Anglestine in United States Name Age in 1880 Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relation to head-of-house Marital Status Race Gender Home in 1880 (City,County,State) Census Image Save This? Beulah B. ANGLESTINE 53 <1827> New Jersey Wife Married White Female Washington, Westmoreland, VA Charles H. ANGLESTINE 31 <1849> New Jersey Son Married White Male Washington, Westmoreland, VA Estelle V. ANGLESTINE 3 <1877> Virginia GDau Single White Female Washington, Westmoreland, VA Florence B. ANGLESTINE 26 <1854> Virginia DauL Married White Female Washington, Westmoreland, VA Frederick ANGLESTINE 58 <1822> Virginia Self Married White Male Washington, Westmoreland, VA Frederick ANGLESTINE 21 <1859> Virginia Son Single White Male Washington, Westmoreland, VA Rosalie ANGLESTINE 14 <1866> Virginia Dau NA White Female Washington, Westmoreland, VA Teach063@aol.com wrote: Even though I am having a difficult time finding info on the family I am researching in PA, I was fortunate enough to have someone from the list spend her own personal time to locate two obits for me. I was very grateful for the info which hopefully has led me to another generation back and closer to finding other descendents. That said, I don't know this person who is being criticized over sources, but rather than continually harping over it on the list for everyone to see I think I'd email privately and if you receive a reply, then great. If not, be thankful for the assistance you received and keep searching. Just my opinion, but then I've not been lucky enough to locate much info on the Angelstein/Angelstine line I'm researching so any info is a godsend. Merci --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

I have appreciated everyone's opinions - pro and con. I had not intended to criticize Geri and the info she puts on the list. I just wanted to know what source she was using so I could purchase the book or check out the source for myself. This will be my last email on this subject. Geri, if you'd like to send me the source I'd still be glad to have it but if not then that's your prerogative. Let's not let the discussion of this matter go any further. Marg ============================================================= WEB SITE: <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/margbond/">Rose Family</A> SEARCHING: Bidlack, Crum, Dundore, Gottschalk, Hammond, Lemar, Martin, Mooney, Opliger, ROSE, Sennett, Sirk, Woodring. LOCATIONS: Northampton Co., PA; Rockingham Co., VA; Fairfield, Pickaway, Clinton, Greene, Ottawa Cos., OH; Wells, Adams, Elkhart, Grant Cos., IN; Kendall Co., IL =============================================================

Hi, I am looking for one marriage for Andreas FULTZ & Margretha unknown who had almost all of their children in Mt. Bethel Township, Northampton Co., Pennsylvania and were confirmed in the Lutheran and Reformed Church. They later moved to Pickaway Co., OH. We believe the parents of Andrew are Henry and Mary Fultz who were listed in the 1764 Pennsylvania-German Society, Births and Baptisms as having a son born to them named Andrew in 1764, Baptized Oct, 5- 1764. After I find this marriage I will go back to my pages and shut up! :-) Many thanks for your tolerance cosin jeri ______________________________________________________ "but I remain your affectinate cosin untill death." Thank you again ggrandpa Davis for those words. Never dreamed I'd get to use em! ____________________________________________________ Personal webpages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jerifultz/ Edward G. Gerdes Arkansas Civil War Pages http://www.couchgenweb.com/civilwar/ Izard County, Arkansas: http://www.couchgenweb.com/arkansas/izard/ Original Arkansas Genealogy Project: http://www.couchgenweb.com/arkansas/ ______________________________________________________ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date: 7/14/2003

Even though I am having a difficult time finding info on the family I am researching in PA, I was fortunate enough to have someone from the list spend her own personal time to locate two obits for me. I was very grateful for the info which hopefully has led me to another generation back and closer to finding other descendents. That said, I don't know this person who is being criticized over sources, but rather than continually harping over it on the list for everyone to see I think I'd email privately and if you receive a reply, then great. If not, be thankful for the assistance you received and keep searching. Just my opinion, but then I've not been lucky enough to locate much info on the Angelstein/Angelstine line I'm researching so any info is a godsend. Merci

My personal opinion, if a person has sources, and doesn't want to put them on the list, then she or he could email it to them privately. Sharing is what helps us all. dkb

Hi all you folks, I don't know why you are makiing this person feel badly about sources! If you got the same info from Ancestry.com, you'd be jumping up and down with joy (while you're paying through the nose for the info) knowing full well you'd have to do the documentation yourself. Besides I'm getting tired of hearing about it. I'd call it spam. A newcomer to the list, Jeri Helms Fultz ______________________________________________________ "but I remain your affectinate cosin untill death." Thank you again ggrandpa Davis for those words. Never dreamed I'd get to use em! ____________________________________________________ Personal webpages: http://home.earthlink.net/~jerifultz/ Edward G. Gerdes Arkansas Civil War Pages http://www.couchgenweb.com/civilwar/ Izard County, Arkansas: http://www.couchgenweb.com/arkansas/izard/ Original Arkansas Genealogy Project: http://www.couchgenweb.com/arkansas/ ______________________________________________________ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release Date: 7/14/2003

I also agree with the rest. I too sent an email to Geri and never received an answer. Her information is great and it is great that she spends so much time sending this information to the list, but to be useful to anyone, we need the sources. Please Geri, respond to these messages and let those who are interested know your sources. Elaine

Geri, I am surprised you have not answered Marg's question about your sources. Her request seems very reasonable. I, too, consider it essential to know the sources of genealogical information. Without an identified source that can be checked independently, it is more like hearsay than information! --Jeff ---------- From: MargBond@aol.com Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:49:39 EDT To: PANORTHA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PANORTHA-L] Dundore sources... Resent-From: PANORTHA-L@rootsweb.com Resent-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:49:55 -0600 Geri...I'm still awairing your response for the source of the Dundore info you put on the list a while ago. Please respond. Thanx. Marg In a message dated 7/27/2003 11:25:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gerifelker@webtv.net writes: > > Johannes Dundore, son of John and Catharine (Geiss) was born June 30, > 1780, in Bern township, and died April 14, 1858. He married twice, 1st > to Elizabeth Kline, born March 30, 1783, and died April 14, 1812, buried > at Bern Church. Children; Samuel K., born 1805; Isaac, born 1808; > Rebecca born 1807; Polly, born 1809, married Rev. John Krember of IL.; > Mary born 1812, married Israel Mellinger of S.D. He married 2nd to the > sister of his first wife, Christiana Kline, born Feb 8, 1794, died April > 6, 1861. Children; Elizabeth who died in infancy. Aaron born 1817 died > in infancy, Cathaine, born 1819 died 1871, Elizabeth, born 1823; William > K.; Leah born 1828, married John Stoner; Harrison K.; Susanna born 1835 > married Christian R. Winter; Lydia born Dec 10, 1840, married Aaron > Jacob Christ, of Naperville, IL.  Members of the Zion Church. > > Jacob Dundor, founder of the Dundor family in America, was born July 25, > 1720, son of Miguel Dundeur, who never came to America. Jacob Dundor > made the vovage to America in 1741, on the ship "Friendship". He located > in Bern township where he died May 20, 1789, leaving a widow Anna Maria > (Brecht). Children; Maria C., Susannah, John, Michael, John Jacob, and > Catharine E. > > Best Wishes, Geri > ============================================================= WEB SITE: <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/margbond/">Rose Family</A> SEARCHING: Bidlack, Crum, Dundore, Gottschalk, Hammond, Lemar, Martin, Mooney, Opliger, ROSE, Sennett, Sirk, Woodring. LOCATIONS: Northampton Co., PA; Rockingham Co., VA; Fairfield, Pickaway, Clinton, Greene, Ottawa Cos., OH; Wells, Adams, Elkhart, Grant Cos., IN; Kendall Co., IL =============================================================