Well said, Marilyn. I hold out accolades to Geri for all of her time and hard work. But sources are of vital importance! If you wanted to substantiate something, how would you know where to even begin looking if you didn't have a clue as to the quoted source? I have a pretty good idea of where my ancestors were in time. If I am working with a common name, such as Young or Moore or Moyer, and Geri posts information from a county they were never in, I pretty much ignore it. But if she posts something for Young or Moore or Moyer in a county that I knew they had lived in at one time, my eyes perk up. I have been at this business of genealogy for a long time. My brick walls are pretty tough to crack. A piece of information along with a source can lead me in the right direction. Without a source to guide me, I might never find that right direction. I am delighted that Geri works so diligently to help us, and I would never say anything to discourage her efforts, but I feel compelled to speak out in support of sources. I have become meticulous in recording sources. A fellow researcher once said to me, "When I first started genealogy, I wasn't very conscientious about documenting my sources. I thought a fact was a fact." In genealogy, a fact is never just a fact. It is a part of a tapestry, and without the supporting threads, the tapestry unravels. Each fact must be viewed in its complete context. A big part of that context is the source. Enough said by me on this subject - and again - many many thanks to Geri. Joyce msouders wrote: > Dear List- > I have followed with interest the ongoing debate about Geri Brennan's > postings and the lack of sources. > Once, a few years ago, I questioned whether this list was the best place for > posting such material and quickly received the first and till now, only, > flame I've ever received, including an illiterate message that contained > both anti-woman AND racist slurs! And a lot of patronizing messages > explaining why I was wrong. > I'd like to try again. > First, I thoroughly admire and respect the energy and sheer volume Geri > produces, bringing together all these disparate threads from a multitude of > sources. I can just imagine her sitting at her terminal, surrounded by > stacks of histories and genealogies with post-its sticking out of the pages > or a mountain of CDs. By now she's made hundreds of postings to the list. > And, I know that if one is researching from afar, her contributions are > extremely important until you can one day in the future get the time and > money to make a research trip. > But this is where I become concerned. For those of you Geri helps, you may > be putting unattributed material into a database that will take your > descendants or other researchers years to unravel down the road. > Some preliminary research on my own family was done by a sloppy genealogist > (if you could call her that) about 40 years ago. Living in California, she > believed that our ancestor from Warren County (then Sussex Co) NJ, had > fought in the Revolution and found someone of the right name and age living > in Schuylkill County, PA, whom she proposed as our ancestor to the DAR. > Lucky for their stringent standards, because they found that veteran's > pension application stated he had no children (!) and they rejected her > research. Later, she did find our guy but the New Jersey records weren't as > easy to research and it took a lot more energy than just checking published > sources. With a different ancestor, she claimed he'd fought with a Tennessee > regiment in the Civil War. I questioned this and took a lot of time tracing > his activities and found that she'd misinterpreted "Penn" for "Tenn" in a > photo caption! There were several other claims she made that I'm still > trying to either prove or disprove. If you don't really care about the > accuracy of those claims, you can just pass them down, unproven, to the next > generation. But I happen to believe that the truth is much more > interesting. > My own interest in this topic is that I've been a research librarian and > researcher, now called "information specialist," throughout my career and > believe that information without a source is worthless. It is by the source > that one identifies and evaluates information. Particularly now with the > Internet, one always must ask if something is from a respected source or > does it come from a slapdash operation? I certainly don't believe Geri is > using bad sources but I do believe that, through no fault of her own, she > could miss a peculiar spelling or an offbeat record that the expert for that > surname (you) would catch. > I still wonder if there isn't a better way of producing this information > where sources can be attached. > By the way, if you live at a distance from Pennsylvania, please note there > is a wonderful web site devoted to Northwestern NJ genealogy that includes > many PA records at Jan Reuther's > http://raub-and-more.com/ She just posted Warren County marriages, Vol 1, > and I noted a number of records for Easton, Mt. Bethel, etc. There is a > search engine at the bottom of the home page, but use all your variant > spellings when you search. > Sincerely, > Marilyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "geri brennan" <gerifelker@webtv.net> > To: <PANORTHA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 6:53 AM > Subject: Re: [PANORTHA-L] Sources > > > I should not have to explain to anyone but here goes. 1. Did I ever ask > > anyone of you for your source? 2. I have been told by more than several > > people that Ancestory Com., puts my work on their board and has the > > nerve to sell it, now should I put sources up for them too, I think not. > > 3. Take Ritter for example, that came from 67 yes I said 67 sources, it > > would be more than a chore to list them all. 4. If you make a hit, ask > > for the source, but sometimes you have to wait, it may take a day, a > > week or longer, when I get back to the source material. I may not use > > some stuff for 6 months. 5. I have put many, many, many years gathering > > my sources. > > > > Best Wishes, Geri > >

Lets not look a gift horse in the mouth, as the old saying goes. Geri is exceedingly generous of her time and efforts. Use her information as you choose. Search for sources if it will not set well with you any other way. Or, use her information as a spring-board to something else. Or hit the delete key. Many hobby genealogists have neither the time or funds to confirm every bit of information that comes their way. Should we take up some other kind of interest. It can be wonderfully exciting for most to find a new name, or date, or sister or whatever. Clues are great. Don't deprive us of that chance bit of information that may be what we are looking for. Many of us should have stopped with our grandparents if this hobby required us to verify with first hand sources, each step of the way. Most of us understand that the information we get through the internet is not set in stone, and is subject to verification, and may or may not be gospel. Each of us can take her information for what it is worth to us. But, don't deprive others of something they may value and enjoy.

Whoa, what Rev. war soldier are we talking about here. My look-ups are from the National Archives. The soldier, the widow or children lifted their right to God and swore to the aff'dts. So please tell me the name of the soldier and I will re-check it, right now, got them right in front of me. Best Wishes, Geri

Dear List- I have followed with interest the ongoing debate about Geri Brennan's postings and the lack of sources. Once, a few years ago, I questioned whether this list was the best place for posting such material and quickly received the first and till now, only, flame I've ever received, including an illiterate message that contained both anti-woman AND racist slurs! And a lot of patronizing messages explaining why I was wrong. I'd like to try again. First, I thoroughly admire and respect the energy and sheer volume Geri produces, bringing together all these disparate threads from a multitude of sources. I can just imagine her sitting at her terminal, surrounded by stacks of histories and genealogies with post-its sticking out of the pages or a mountain of CDs. By now she's made hundreds of postings to the list. And, I know that if one is researching from afar, her contributions are extremely important until you can one day in the future get the time and money to make a research trip. But this is where I become concerned. For those of you Geri helps, you may be putting unattributed material into a database that will take your descendants or other researchers years to unravel down the road. Some preliminary research on my own family was done by a sloppy genealogist (if you could call her that) about 40 years ago. Living in California, she believed that our ancestor from Warren County (then Sussex Co) NJ, had fought in the Revolution and found someone of the right name and age living in Schuylkill County, PA, whom she proposed as our ancestor to the DAR. Lucky for their stringent standards, because they found that veteran's pension application stated he had no children (!) and they rejected her research. Later, she did find our guy but the New Jersey records weren't as easy to research and it took a lot more energy than just checking published sources. With a different ancestor, she claimed he'd fought with a Tennessee regiment in the Civil War. I questioned this and took a lot of time tracing his activities and found that she'd misinterpreted "Penn" for "Tenn" in a photo caption! There were several other claims she made that I'm still trying to either prove or disprove. If you don't really care about the accuracy of those claims, you can just pass them down, unproven, to the next generation. But I happen to believe that the truth is much more interesting. My own interest in this topic is that I've been a research librarian and researcher, now called "information specialist," throughout my career and believe that information without a source is worthless. It is by the source that one identifies and evaluates information. Particularly now with the Internet, one always must ask if something is from a respected source or does it come from a slapdash operation? I certainly don't believe Geri is using bad sources but I do believe that, through no fault of her own, she could miss a peculiar spelling or an offbeat record that the expert for that surname (you) would catch. I still wonder if there isn't a better way of producing this information where sources can be attached. By the way, if you live at a distance from Pennsylvania, please note there is a wonderful web site devoted to Northwestern NJ genealogy that includes many PA records at Jan Reuther's http://raub-and-more.com/ She just posted Warren County marriages, Vol 1, and I noted a number of records for Easton, Mt. Bethel, etc. There is a search engine at the bottom of the home page, but use all your variant spellings when you search. Sincerely, Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "geri brennan" <gerifelker@webtv.net> To: <PANORTHA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [PANORTHA-L] Sources > I should not have to explain to anyone but here goes. 1. Did I ever ask > anyone of you for your source? 2. I have been told by more than several > people that Ancestory Com., puts my work on their board and has the > nerve to sell it, now should I put sources up for them too, I think not. > 3. Take Ritter for example, that came from 67 yes I said 67 sources, it > would be more than a chore to list them all. 4. If you make a hit, ask > for the source, but sometimes you have to wait, it may take a day, a > week or longer, when I get back to the source material. I may not use > some stuff for 6 months. 5. I have put many, many, many years gathering > my sources. > > Best Wishes, Geri >

Does anyone have any info on this family. I only found service records for them. The person is looking for the parents of Sarah Jinks. To the person who asked for Kunkler, this is all I could find right now. Kunkler-buried at the Morvavian cemetery at Bethlem Anna Mary Kunkler, 1718-84, born at Lindheim, Wetteravia, Germany. She was raised in the family of Baron de Schrautenbach. In 1743 she became the wife of Daniel Kunkler, emigrated to Bethlehem, where they found employment at the Sun Hote and later kept a store Daniel Kunkler, 1719-77, a shoemaker, born at St. Gall, Switzerland. Maria Kunkler, nee Colver, 1752-1821, born at Dansbury (Stroudsburg). He husband. Daniel K., died in 1782 Margaret Kunkler, nee Young, 1794-1839 from Hope, NJ. She was twice married, her first husbamd was Lewis Pyrlaeus of Easton, her second husband was David Kunkler, who died in 1839. She was the mother of Mrs. H. B. Luckenbach Best Wishes, Geri

Hello All, I am looking for a cousin, last know whereabouts in the Quakertown area. Her name is/was Tiana E. Smith. The first a in Tiana has a ~ over top of it. She was adopted and I have no idea when. She was born on August 8, 1975/1976 around Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. She would be 28 years old. If this sounds familiar to anyone PLEASE contact me at silverblue@comcast.net Keep Smiling, Pat :) http://www.geocities.com/pharaoh_mom/Lebanon.html "A journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step." - Lao-tzu All incoming & outgoing email Scanned by Norton 2003

> I agree with almost all of the points Marilyn makes regarding sources and > wish to add this advice: > > 1. Always, ALWAYS verify the source, i.e. you may have found an abstracted > will, death, birth, marriage, deed etc. ; find the ORIGINAL, COMPLETE > document and obtain a copy if you can. > If it's info from a publication, find it. > > 2. Always, ALWAYS cite your source, even if it is "correspondence from...", > "family tradition passed down is ...". This alerts others that the > information is not from a primary source. > > I do disagree with the statement "information without a source is > worthless". I would change "worthless" to "use information without a source > as a CLUE for your own research". If I have no source, I will use the term > "no source, needs documentation" or something similar. > > Since the information on death certificates is only as accurate as the > knowledge of the person who submitted the information, I will cite the death > certificate as a source, then add: "See copy in files. Info submitter was > (name.....) then I identify the submitter, as being ... the decedent, or the > decedent's wife/mother/brother/aunt/grandson "etc. I identify the submitter > so that those who are using this information can evaluate its accuracy. > > Sprinkled throughout the NOTES section in my genealogy program will be found > the words "need to verify" or "undocumented" or similar statements. Anyone > following my trail will be able to evaluate the information I have given > based upon the sources I have cited and they can also recognize which info > has no source and realize that further research is needed to document or > verify. > > -- Helen in Calif. > Yes, when I first started genealogical research in 1979 I thought anything > published in a book was the gospel. :) I also thought I didn't have to > photocopy the title page of the book from which I photocopied pages. BIG > mistake. Take the time and spend the extra money to do it. You will never > regret it. Keep research logs (and date them) so you know where you found > the source and when. > > > >

My Great-grandmother Judy Rebecca Foust was b. in Clarion Co.,PA ~1869 d. 1966 Summit Co., OH. She was bapt. in 1870. A researcher had transcribed her name from the baptisimal records as Juda, and presumed she was a male. In the census records her family listed her as Rebecca; age 8 & in school in 1880; 1920 Rebecca Foust, age 60(!). As an adult she also went by "Becky". By comparison of location and sibling names (Benjamin, Samuel, William, Sarah (Sade), Oliver, Noah, Franklin, Lydia, Gilmore, & Wallace) it is obvious that Rebecca is Juda. The researcher who transcibed the records made an honest mistake. By sharing information we have corrected and extended our research. No one in my branch had written down the names of Becky's parents; but there were detailed notes on siblings. When finally located, what were their names? Bill (William) Foust & Mary (Marietta) Fretz. I assume that my Great-grandmother presumed that these names were known to everyone, so why bother to write them down? Moral? I write down EVERYBODY & EVERYTHING (drives my siblings nuts). J.R. Maxwell Delaware Co.,OH

Please, please understand, I can not change what I find in a history book. I can however, make a note, that I researched (if I did) whatever family and your case, Berto/Barto, and this is what I found, but then I have to prove it. It is up to the person or people that asked for that surnames look-up to do their own research. Sometimes I can help with service records, etc. At the National Archives (Rev. war pensions) their is no Berto, there is Morris, and Reuben Barto, NY Line. So you see, I cannot change the written word. Best Wishes, Geri

I receiv ed this on a post with another list I belong to and thought I'd pass it on . I haven't had a chance to look at the site yet though. Family Tree Magazine has posted its list of 101 best web sites for genealogy research.  http://www.familytreemagazine.com/101sites/2003/index.html Susan Researching : Angelstein, Barnes, Bass, Branch, Currie, Fisher, Gardner, Hare, Hunt, Jackson, Kirkpatrick, Lane, Lefler, Ludwig, McDonald, McIver, McIntosh, Mulvey, Ochsner, Osborne, Parham, Reavis, Rhodes, Spanitz, Spivey, Sturgeon, Stutts, Taylor, Vann, Wicker, Wood

War of 1812 Fisher, Humphrey, wf Catharine (Ludwick) lst husband (McNinch) 2nd wf., married 3 July 1861 Kalamazoo, MI, soldier died 19 March 1873 Prairieville, MI, srv. NY Mil. Barnes, Rosina, filed 5 Dec 1891, widow of John Ludwig a Landsman in USN on the Acacia, Ohio and Princeton no state memtioned Best Wishes, Geri

Estate of John Reese, borough of Easton, taylor-inquest for partition requested, court, 25 March, 1807, children; Jacob, only son, Christiana wife of John Carey, Elizabeth, the wife of Jacob Ludwig 14 April 1801, final settlements, the estate of Mattias Ludwig, Macungie township, Northampton Co. 1761 March 25, estate of Peter Walbert, died about 1758, widow, Elizabeth, administratrix, now the wife of Matthias Ludwig 18 March 1779, Guardian of Sibilla "Walvert, age 26, daughter of Peter Walvert, now deceased. pettioner, Matthias Ludwig, her step-father, Macungie township. Sibilla was born deaf and dumb and could not take care of herself. 23 March 1780; Guardian of 2 minor children of Jacob Weiss, Lower Saucon township, guardian for the minor son Matthias, John George Ludiwig Rev. war pensions Ludwick, Jacob, wife Mary, PA line, on Nov 7, 1853 in Dark Co, Ohio, a daughter Sarah Faulkner aged 59 on 12 Oct 1853, made aff'dt and stated soldier enlisted in Chester or York Co. Soldier was married to Mary Hiffle of PA and they had children, Elizabeth, who married ___Miller and they had 4 children of which 3 were living in PA (the said Elizabeth was dec'd in1853) George Ludwich of Phila. ( note from me, a will of Ludwick filed in Phila., memtion his cousin, George Felker), Mary who died without issue, Phebe of Phila., Catharine who married John Trump of near Blaisville, PA, Margaret, deceased leaving 1 child, Sarah who married Thomas Faulkner deceased in 1853, Hannah, Jacob, John and A__?__ the last 4 wee from Chester Co. Ludwick, John Martin, wife Elizabeth, Cont. Line. Soldier married Elizabeth Strap of Phila 17 Nov 1778. Soldier died 17 Nov 1793 Ludwick, Warner, BLW, PA Line You can get all of these records. Best Wishes, Geri

I posted this with a different subject in error. > So many of the lines I have been looking for in NC seem to have links to > this general area in PA. > > Anyone have connections to FISHER or LUDWIG who ended up in Rowan, Cabarrus > > Co areas of NC? > Susan > > Researching : Angelstein, Barnes, Bass, Branch, Currie, Fisher, Gardner, > > Hare, Hunt, Jackson, Kirkpatrick, Lane, Lefler, Ludwig, McDonald, McIver, > > McIntosh, Mulvey, Ochsner, Osborne, Parham, Reavis, Rhodes, Spanitz, > > Spivey, Sturgeon, Stutts, Taylor, Vann, Wicker, Wood >

So many of the lines I have been looking for in NC seem to have links to this general area in PA. Anyone have connections to FISHER or LUDWIG who ended up in Rowan, Cabarrus Co areas of NC? Susan Researching : Angelstein, Barnes, Bass, Branch, Currie, Fisher, Gardner, Hare, Hunt, Jackson, Kirkpatrick, Lane, Lefler, Ludwig, McDonald, McIver, McIntosh, Mulvey, Ochsner, Osborne, Parham, Reavis, Rhodes, Spanitz, Spivey, Sturgeon, Stutts, Taylor, Vann, Wicker, Wood

I've found incorrect data before but in my experience has been that it has been by accident not on purpose. Mostly, with mine it has been where my line was left off since not many others on my direct line have added to it in recent years. If I find something that I not documented on official records though, I usually add a note that it's unproven thus far if I send it to others or post it on my site so that errors aren't carried over if it is incorrect. But we all know those "official records" can be incorrect. My grandmother's name was not even close to being right on the 1930 census. Fortunately her age was correct though and I was able to verify it since that person listed fell into the right place within all the siblings. My mother-in-law's age was 2 years older on the 1930 census than other records . Knowing her though, she could have altered her age when she applied for her SS card and delayed birth certificate in the 1950s. Since she suffers from advanced Alzheimer's there is no way to find out if she is 90 or 92 now. I have to say though, I've been very fortunate in that I started with little and found one census record online which led me to more family members. My mother during the year or two that she did research years ago had collected copies of vital records which helped me track parents of some of my greatgrandparents since their names were listed on them. I have connected with newfound family on several of my family lines who have spent years searching and have been lucky that most of them had wonderful documentation. \ The people on this list in particular has been a great help to me with searching for my friend's family in PA. Now hopefully the data they have passed onto me will help prove the lines I am trying to connect. Unfortunately, his family seems to be fewer in number than mine and not local to me as mine were. Guess the search is what keeps it interesting though. Happy Searching. Susan Researching : Angelstein, Barnes, Bass, Branch, Currie, Fisher, Gardner, Hare, Hunt, Jackson, Kirkpatrick, Lane, Lefler, Ludwig, McDonald, McIver, McIntosh, Mulvey, Ochsner, Osborne, Parham, Reavis, Rhodes, Spanitz, Spivey, Sturgeon, Stutts, Taylor, Vann, Wicker, Wood

In a message dated 8/3/03 11:09:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JNParsons@comcast.net writes: > Then he changed the data before he posted > the information so he could keep track of where "his" information went. This > guy is a nut and has done more to destroy any reliability of the original > information and admits it. That is so amazing! And, here I've been <completely trusting> that all of us have only good motives. My experience to date, of finding fellow family members who are doing research, is that everyone feels as though "we are in this together."

Hi Patti, here are Shaws of the Rev. pensions only, PA only Archibald, soldier was the son of John Shaw and born in 1755 in County Derry, Ireland. David, soldier was born Feb. 1762, applied in Westmoreland County 1834. Soldier had vol. in in the Indians wars, 1782. Soldier younger brother (1834) Alexander Shaw made aff'dt in Westmoreland County. He referred to his father's house at Hannastown being burned by the Indians. "Westmoreland County History" (Shaw, David at the age of 8 came with his parents to America from Ireland. Later he moved to Allegheny Co, 14 miles from Pittsburg. David Shaw married Dec 16, 1788, Jane, d/o Robert and Margaret Ekin, orignaly of County Antim, Ireland. On their arrivial they settled in York Co., coming to Westmoreland Co., in 1788). Gilbert, wf. Mary, soldier applied in GA, soldier lived in SC at enlistment. Soldier was born 15 Feb 1757 in York County, PA James. wf. Anna, soldier was born in Ireland came to America in 1773, he lived in York County at enlistment. Applied in KY John, no pension, had a BLW Joseph, soldier was bon in 1758 in Bucks Co., PA, lived there at enlistment, applied in NC Michael, no pension, had BLW Michael, applied in NC aged 72. he had only a daughter aged 14 living with him. In 1853 soldier's daughter Nancy Etchison signed p.o.a. Richard, CT and PA lines, soldier lived in New london CT at enlistment. Moved to Northampton, PA where he also enlisted in 1777. Applied 1834 Cayuga Co. NY aged 83. Soldier died 5 Feb 1835. Soldier left children; Hannah Bush, Sarah Jinks, John, Daniel, Robert, Elijah, Samuel ,Isaac , Eunice Shoemaker and Ann Gridley. Soldier's son John made aff'dt in 1855 (Genoa, NY). the son, Daniel died between April 1854 and 4 Dec 1854. A Chester Grindley in 1854 made aff'dt at Aurelius, NY. In 1834 Daniel Shoemaker made aff"dt at Tiogo Co., NY and prior to that lived in Northampton Co., PA Samuel, born in May 1755 in Ireland, lived at Cumberland Co., PA at enlistment. Moved in 1795 to KY, and in 1826 moved to IL Thomas, NC and PA Lines, soldier was born 15 Oct 1753 near Belfast, Ireland, lived in Cumberland Co., PA., later moved to NC Victor, MD Line, applied 1832 in Fayette Co., PA aged 87. Soldier lived in Frederick Co., MD at enlistment. Soldier was born in Bucks Co., PA, lived there till age 25, then moved to MD till age 39, then moved to Bedford Co., then to Allegany Co., MD and in 1818 to Fayette Co., PA William, SC Line, soldier was born 1757 in York Co., PA, moved to SC Best Wishes, Geri

Speaking of sources! I have a so called cousin who is the repository for information about the Schmidt family of Northampton and Monroe Counties of which I am apart. Much of the information he shares (?) I originally gave to his uncle many years ago. (about 30) There was a missing grandmother whom we all searched fervently for. One time I found the name of this grandmother listed on a site. Of course I was delighted and contacted this fellow for the information. I found that when his uncle had died he had received the family files. He entered worthwhile" information into his files and destroyed the originals. (fortunately I have some of them.) Then he changed the data before he posted the information so he could keep track of where "his" information went. This guy is a nut and has done more to destroy any realiability of the original information and admits it. Beware of this type of information. It's a killer. Visit the Berks County GenWeb site for information pertaining to Berks County Genealogy consolidated all in one place. This site contains information about history, families, wills, obituaries, pictures and booklets, vital records, newspaper clippings and much more -- all pertaining to Berks County. In addition, all of the biographies from Morton Montgomery s two volume History of Berks County are right there at your fingertips. To post inquiries to the Berks County list, join the list on our Index Page. Judy Parsons Webmaster -------Original Message------- From: Budd Family Date: Sunday, August 03, 2003 09:57:50 To: PANORTHA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Fw: [PANORTHA-L] Sources This is a wonderful point Larry....my thought is that it is truly poor genealogy to rely on someone elses research. I have found over the years that many things have been posted that are inaccurate and then when others who don't bother to back up their information find them online, they haven't questioned the source and end up passing 'wrong' info on to others. Geri posts some great info and if one finds something that pertains to them, I'm sure she would be more than happy to furnish the source. A good rule of thumb is to never put info within your family program unless you personally have the source to document. When I find info that I don't have the source for, I indicate so in my records. I have found tons of stuff online that is inaccurate. When I've written to question it, the response I all to often have gotten was....oh, I don't have a source, I just found that online. Ugh. Having working on family history for over 25 years now, I have learned that while the net is a wonderful thing, it can also backfire on a person who doesn't use good research practices. Deb in VA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry A. Warner" <warnerlarry@juno.com> To: <PANORTHA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 1:15 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [PANORTHA-L] Sources > Regarding the following from Judy. A question arises in my mind, > "Dos Family Tree document everything they post and SELL"? > > On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 08:17:33 -0400 "wjnp" <starlite@nac.net> writes: > > Dear Geri, I enjoy the many posts you write. I have even seen leads > > to > > ancestors that I am researching, but do not have the source and > > cannot > > document it from something I see posted on the site. -Judy > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wilma <darrhays@jetlink.net> > > To: PANORTHA-L@rootsweb.com <PANORTHA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2003 4:26 PM > > Subject: [PANORTHA-L] Sources > > > > > > >I agree with Jeff and Marge - without sources any information > > becomes > > useless except for clues to further research. I try to document all > > my > > information and gladly refer my sources to anyone. Wilma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ .

This is a wonderful point Larry....my thought is that it is truly poor genealogy to rely on someone elses research. I have found over the years that many things have been posted that are inaccurate and then when others who don't bother to back up their information find them online, they haven't questioned the source and end up passing 'wrong' info on to others. Geri posts some great info and if one finds something that pertains to them, I'm sure she would be more than happy to furnish the source. A good rule of thumb is to never put info within your family program unless you personally have the source to document. When I find info that I don't have the source for, I indicate so in my records. I have found tons of stuff online that is inaccurate. When I've written to question it, the response I all to often have gotten was....oh, I don't have a source, I just found that online. Ugh. Having working on family history for over 25 years now, I have learned that while the net is a wonderful thing, it can also backfire on a person who doesn't use good research practices. Deb in VA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry A. Warner" <warnerlarry@juno.com> To: <PANORTHA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 1:15 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [PANORTHA-L] Sources > Regarding the following from Judy. A question arises in my mind, > "Dos Family Tree document everything they post and SELL"? > > On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 08:17:33 -0400 "wjnp" <starlite@nac.net> writes: > > Dear Geri, I enjoy the many posts you write. I have even seen leads > > to > > ancestors that I am researching, but do not have the source and > > cannot > > document it from something I see posted on the site. -Judy > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wilma <darrhays@jetlink.net> > > To: PANORTHA-L@rootsweb.com <PANORTHA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2003 4:26 PM > > Subject: [PANORTHA-L] Sources > > > > > > >I agree with Jeff and Marge - without sources any information > > becomes > > useless except for clues to further research. I try to document all > > my > > information and gladly refer my sources to anyone. Wilma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________

I just received the pension papers for Frederick SAMUELS who died Feb 1898 in Moore Township. According to these papers, Frederick and Wilhelmina were married in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. I am willing to share any of the pension papers with any descendants, but please share your information with me. Susan Stahley rsmstahley@adelphia.net