Hi List. The Rostraver Twp. Historical Society is seeking other southwestern Pa. historical society's addresses for the purpose of establishing an on going Historical Society relationship. Please send me your Historical Society name, address and phone number. The Rostraver Twp. Historical Society meets at the historic Finley House in Cedar Creek Park, 2nd Thursday of the month, at 6 PM. The public is welcome. Mary Lou Magiske Correspondence Sec.

Yeah, the way Eva has it written, that's the right way! Robert D. Mollenauer, Jr. Ridgecrest, CA Formerly of Charleroi, PA; Columbus, OH; Redlands, CA (and a few others)

Hi, Eva, > That must have been the continginent from Charleroi. > We actually said Ma-nong-gya-hell-a. If you didn't > have that "gya" sound in the 3rd syllable you were > obviously not from the area. That's how I've always said it...and had to explain to people here in Western NY just exactly WHAT I'm talking about! And WHERE! <G> Cindy Lucinda Cunningham Durbin <http://www.paperdolls.org>

Desperately seeking information on John Campbell, married Mollie C. Hudson abt 1880, had 6 children with Mollie, all showing on 1900 census in Cecil Twp., Washington county, PA. Mollie shows up with her three youngest sons and married daughter, Irene Ferry and Irene's two small sons, living with William Fenwick in North Strabane Twp, on 1910 census, which was enumerated on 17 May 1910. Mollie's small obit shows up in Canonsburg newspaper on Aug. 29, 1910, giving very little additional information about her. She was 25 years younger than husband, John. Her burial was in Venice, leading me to believe she was buried in the Miller's Run Presbyterian church cemetery and that possibly John Campbell was buried there also. When we were back there a few years ago, we checked with the secretary of the church and early records of the church had been lost in a fire many years earlier. I checked the records I have on the Washington Cemetery and John is not listed there, another reason to believe he was buried in the Venice cemetery. His youngest son and family lived in the old home in Venice when we visited there and we spent time with the aunt, but she could shed very little light on the early family history. If anyone has any information on this family would be delighted to hear from you. I have that itchy feeling that John was married before, because of the age difference of he and Mollie, but nothing to really go on, other than that. Thanks much. Nancy Giles

I make a motion we make it "Money-go-to-hella"!!! I remember people calling it "Mo-non-ga-hell'-a"! Robert Mollenauer, Jr.

That must have been the continginent from Charleroi. We actually said Ma-nong-gya-hell-a. If you didn't have that "gya" sound in the 3rd syllable you were obviously not from the area. Eva in Tallahassee --- Rdmoose7@cs.com wrote: > I make a motion we make it "Money-go-to-hella"!!! I > remember people calling > it "Mo-non-ga-hell'-a"! > > Robert Mollenauer, Jr. > > > ==== PAMONVAL Mailing List ==== > > ===== Eva Dayle Zippay Tallahassee, Florida evadayle@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

I live in Morgantown, Monongalia County, WV, where county organizers goofed in spelling Monongahela. We pronounce it here like Mike's version, he, instead of hey. It also frequently gets shortened to the Mon. Vickie ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJW" <whillp@kih.net> To: <PAMONVAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:45 PM Subject: [PAMONVAL] Pronouncing Monongahela I don't know if we were right or wrong, growing up along the banks of the Monongahela, but we always said: Mah-non-ga-HEY-la. Liked the description, Thanks. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Donaldson" <mdonald4@bentcom.net> To: <PAMONVAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 11:03 PM Subject: [PAMONVAL] Re: Specific Question... > Hi Mike > The pronounciation of Monongahela is, I guess, pretty much the way it is > spelled. > Mo·non·ga·he·la

Granduated from Monongahela High School in 1958. It was pronounced hey-la on the end by all of us too. Priscilla

As someone who grew up in the town of Monongahela, we pronounced it Mo- non-ga- hey-la, better know to us locals as Mon City. Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: Marilyn Prinzing <marjenp@mindspring.com> To: <PAMONVAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [PAMONVAL] Pronouncing Monongahela > Hi Mike, > > Well, in my family is was Ma-NON-ga-HEY-la. Marilyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Donaldson" <mdonald4@bentcom.net> > To: <PAMONVAL-L@rootsweb.com>: > : > : RJW wrote: > : > : > I don't know if we were right or wrong, growing up along the banks of > the > : > Monongahela, but we always said: > : > > : > Mah-non-ga-HEY-la. > : > > : > Liked the description, Thanks. > : > > : > Ruth > : > : Maybe I've lived in the area too long, but when I see -hela, I > think -heyla, not > : heela! > : Sorry if my phonetics were unclear! Ruth's attempt above is correct! > : -- > : Thanks > : Mike Donaldson, Bentleyville, PA (mdonald4@bentcom.net) > : > : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > ==== PAMONVAL Mailing List ==== > Tip: CAPITALIZE surnames in your messages. Reader will more easily find their family names. >

Well, when I was a little kid, I remember it being called "Mo-non-ga-hee-la", then again, outside of Pittsburgh, on Rt. 88, in Bethel Park, where Mollenauer, PA was before it got incorporated into Bethel Park, the locals call it "Mall-in-are", which drives me up a wall! It's "Moll-en-our". If you ever heard of Kinder & Mollenauer Auto Parts in Charleroi, that was my Uncle and 2 cousins' store. My grandfather was Wm. George Mollenauer, Geometry teacher at Charleroi H.S. when it was on Crest, between 5th & 6th. But I've posted this before! Bob Mollenauer, Jr. Ridgecrest, CA "Gateway to Death Valley National Park" (and it sure feels like it today!!!)

I have been searching for my grandmother's family who I am told lived in your area. The surname is Lederer. I am told that 2 brothers owned a farm there in the late 1800-early 1900s. Has anyone ever come across this surname? Nancie nsippel@msn.com<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

Hi Mike, Well, in my family is was Ma-NON-ga-HEY-la. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Donaldson" <mdonald4@bentcom.net> To: <PAMONVAL-L@rootsweb.com>: : : RJW wrote: : : > I don't know if we were right or wrong, growing up along the banks of the : > Monongahela, but we always said: : > : > Mah-non-ga-HEY-la. : > : > Liked the description, Thanks. : > : > Ruth : : Maybe I've lived in the area too long, but when I see -hela, I think -heyla, not : heela! : Sorry if my phonetics were unclear! Ruth's attempt above is correct! : -- : Thanks : Mike Donaldson, Bentleyville, PA (mdonald4@bentcom.net) : : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

RJW wrote: > I don't know if we were right or wrong, growing up along the banks of the > Monongahela, but we always said: > > Mah-non-ga-HEY-la. > > Liked the description, Thanks. > > Ruth Maybe I've lived in the area too long, but when I see -hela, I think -heyla, not heela! Sorry if my phonetics were unclear! Ruth's attempt above is correct! -- Thanks Mike Donaldson, Bentleyville, PA (mdonald4@bentcom.net) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mon Valley History and Genealogy Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pamonval/ Mon Valley: Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow: http://www.geocities.com/mdonald318/ My family gedcom: http://www.my-ged.com/donldson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Listowner of: Monongahela River Valley of Penna Rootsweb mailing list: PAMONVAL-L@rootsweb.com - Mail mode PAMONVAL-D@rootsweb.com - Digest mode Bieneman / Bienemann Rootsweb Mailing list Bienemann-L@rootsweb.com - Mail Mode Bienemann-D@rootsweb.com - Digest mode

I have always believed that the word is correctly pronounced by the natives who live in its vicinity. As I was reared along the Monongahela River, we pronounced it with the ending sounding hey-la. After moving away, others gave it the hela sound, but I still pronounce it with the hey-la sound. This is my opinion. Mildred

I don't know if we were right or wrong, growing up along the banks of the Monongahela, but we always said: Mah-non-ga-HEY-la. Liked the description, Thanks. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Donaldson" <mdonald4@bentcom.net> To: <PAMONVAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 11:03 PM Subject: [PAMONVAL] Re: Specific Question... > Mike Landers wrote: > > > Hello Mike, > > > > Could you tell me what the proper origin, pronunciation, and meaning of the > > word Monongahela is? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mike Landers > > Hi Mike > The pronounciation of Monongahela is, I guess, pretty much the way it is > spelled. > Mo·non·ga·he·la > > Folks who live nearby usually take the easier way out - The river is known as > simply "The Mon", The town is Mon City. and the area is the Mon Valley. > > Although I've seen slightly different meanings, they are all basically the > same. Monongahela, is derived from a Native American word meaning "high banks > or bluffs, breaking off and falling down at places". (Much of the Monongahela > Valley still fits that discription. > > As far back as I've seen history written about the area, dating back to the mid > 1700's, the river was always known as the Monongahela. > > Hope this helps! > -- > Thanks > Mike Donaldson, Bentleyville, PA (mdonald4@bentcom.net) > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Mon Valley History and Genealogy Website: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pamonval/ > > Mon Valley: Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow: > http://www.geocities.com/mdonald318/ > > My family gedcom: > http://www.my-ged.com/donldson > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Listowner of: > Monongahela River Valley of Penna Rootsweb mailing list: > PAMONVAL-L@rootsweb.com - Mail mode > PAMONVAL-D@rootsweb.com - Digest mode > > Bieneman / Bienemann Rootsweb Mailing list > Bienemann-L@rootsweb.com - Mail Mode > Bienemann-D@rootsweb.com - Digest mode > > ______________________________

Marilyn.. You took the "thunder out of my response" on how Monongahela obtained its name!! Only a Monongahelian / Monongahela Valleyan, (How do you like that one?) would know that story. All you English language buffs can bounce that one around!! Have a great day... Dave Copenhaver ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Prinzing" <marjenp@mindspring.com> To: <PAMONVAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [PAMONVAL] Re: Specific Question... > Sorry Mike; but, I cannot resist sharing one of my late father's favorite > stories regarding how the Mon River got its name. Here goes: > > There was a canoe of three Indians(PC now dictates Native Americans) on > their way to trade their furs for supplies and trinkets. They were paid > handsomely for their fine load of furs. Paddling their way back home while > on the "river," one of the men spotted something shinning in the forest > along the banks. When he stood up to get a better look, the heavily laden > canoe started to tip and the man fell overboard with the supplies and > trinkets after him. Swimming for their lives to the bank, the first Indian > looked at the second one, shook his head sadly, and said, "Money go to > hella". And that my folks is how the river was named Monongahela. > > Marilyn, Lake Co., IL; grew up in Belle Vernon, PA where the Mon travels > past on the way to meet the Ohio at Pittsburgh. > ******************************************************** > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Donaldson" <mdonald4@bentcom.net> > To: <PAMONVAL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 10:03 PM > Subject: [PAMONVAL] Re: Specific Question... > > > : Mike Landers wrote: > : > : > Hello Mike, > : > > : > Could you tell me what the proper origin, pronunciation, and meaning of > the > : > word Monongahela is? > : > > : > Thanks, > : > > : > Mike Landers > : > : Hi Mike > : The pronounciation of Monongahela is, I guess, pretty much the way it is > : spelled. > : Mo·non·ga·he·la > : > : Folks who live nearby usually take the easier way out - The river is known > as > : simply "The Mon", The town is Mon City. and the area is the Mon Valley. > : > : Although I've seen slightly different meanings, they are all basically the > : same. Monongahela, is derived from a Native American word meaning "high > banks > : or bluffs, breaking off and falling down at places". (Much of the > Monongahela > : Valley still fits that discription. > : > : As far back as I've seen history written about the area, dating back to > the mid > : 1700's, the river was always known as the Monongahela. > : > : Hope this helps! > : -- > : Thanks > : Mike Donaldson, Bentleyville, PA (mdonald4@bentcom.net) > : >

Sorry Mike; but, I cannot resist sharing one of my late father's favorite stories regarding how the Mon River got its name. Here goes: There was a canoe of three Indians(PC now dictates Native Americans) on their way to trade their furs for supplies and trinkets. They were paid handsomely for their fine load of furs. Paddling their way back home while on the "river," one of the men spotted something shinning in the forest along the banks. When he stood up to get a better look, the heavily laden canoe started to tip and the man fell overboard with the supplies and trinkets after him. Swimming for their lives to the bank, the first Indian looked at the second one, shook his head sadly, and said, "Money go to hella". And that my folks is how the river was named Monongahela. Marilyn, Lake Co., IL; grew up in Belle Vernon, PA where the Mon travels past on the way to meet the Ohio at Pittsburgh. ******************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Donaldson" <mdonald4@bentcom.net> To: <PAMONVAL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 10:03 PM Subject: [PAMONVAL] Re: Specific Question... : Mike Landers wrote: : : > Hello Mike, : > : > Could you tell me what the proper origin, pronunciation, and meaning of the : > word Monongahela is? : > : > Thanks, : > : > Mike Landers : : Hi Mike : The pronounciation of Monongahela is, I guess, pretty much the way it is : spelled. : Mo·non·ga·he·la : : Folks who live nearby usually take the easier way out - The river is known as : simply "The Mon", The town is Mon City. and the area is the Mon Valley. : : Although I've seen slightly different meanings, they are all basically the : same. Monongahela, is derived from a Native American word meaning "high banks : or bluffs, breaking off and falling down at places". (Much of the Monongahela : Valley still fits that discription. : : As far back as I've seen history written about the area, dating back to the mid : 1700's, the river was always known as the Monongahela. : : Hope this helps! : -- : Thanks : Mike Donaldson, Bentleyville, PA (mdonald4@bentcom.net) :

IF YOU WOULD LIKE A WEB SITE FOR MONONGAHELA PLEASE GO TO www.placesnamed.com/M/o/monongahela.asp good luck CINDY -----Original Message----- From: Mike Donaldson <mdonald4@bentcom.net> To: PAMONVAL-L@rootsweb.com <PAMONVAL-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, April 26, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: [PAMONVAL] Re: Specific Question... >Mike Landers wrote: > >> Hello Mike, >> >> Could you tell me what the proper origin, pronunciation, and meaning of the >> word Monongahela is? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mike Landers > >Hi Mike >The pronounciation of Monongahela is, I guess, pretty much the way it is >spelled. >Mo·non·ga·he·la > >Folks who live nearby usually take the easier way out - The river is known as >simply "The Mon", The town is Mon City. and the area is the Mon Valley. > >Although I've seen slightly different meanings, they are all basically the >same. Monongahela, is derived from a Native American word meaning "high banks >or bluffs, breaking off and falling down at places". (Much of the Monongahela >Valley still fits that discription. > >As far back as I've seen history written about the area, dating back to the mid >1700's, the river was always known as the Monongahela. > >Hope this helps! >-- >Thanks >Mike Donaldson, Bentleyville, PA (mdonald4@bentcom.net) > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Mon Valley History and Genealogy Website: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pamonval/ > >Mon Valley: Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow: > http://www.geocities.com/mdonald318/ > >My family gedcom: > http://www.my-ged.com/donldson >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Listowner of: >Monongahela River Valley of Penna Rootsweb mailing list: > PAMONVAL-L@rootsweb.com - Mail mode > PAMONVAL-D@rootsweb.com - Digest mode > >Bieneman / Bienemann Rootsweb Mailing list > Bienemann-L@rootsweb.com - Mail Mode > Bienemann-D@rootsweb.com - Digest mode > > > >==== PAMONVAL Mailing List ==== > > >

Mike Landers wrote: > Hello Mike, > > Could you tell me what the proper origin, pronunciation, and meaning of the > word Monongahela is? > > Thanks, > > Mike Landers Hi Mike The pronounciation of Monongahela is, I guess, pretty much the way it is spelled. Mo·non·ga·he·la Folks who live nearby usually take the easier way out - The river is known as simply "The Mon", The town is Mon City. and the area is the Mon Valley. Although I've seen slightly different meanings, they are all basically the same. Monongahela, is derived from a Native American word meaning "high banks or bluffs, breaking off and falling down at places". (Much of the Monongahela Valley still fits that discription. As far back as I've seen history written about the area, dating back to the mid 1700's, the river was always known as the Monongahela. Hope this helps! -- Thanks Mike Donaldson, Bentleyville, PA (mdonald4@bentcom.net) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mon Valley History and Genealogy Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pamonval/ Mon Valley: Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow: http://www.geocities.com/mdonald318/ My family gedcom: http://www.my-ged.com/donldson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Listowner of: Monongahela River Valley of Penna Rootsweb mailing list: PAMONVAL-L@rootsweb.com - Mail mode PAMONVAL-D@rootsweb.com - Digest mode Bieneman / Bienemann Rootsweb Mailing list Bienemann-L@rootsweb.com - Mail Mode Bienemann-D@rootsweb.com - Digest mode

One little start-- Go to ancestry.com free lookups Enter Joseph Harris PA Then click on the SSDI source When you roll down the list, you will find a Joseph Harris with the same stats you cite If you click on the indication for printing a request to the Social Security Administration -- you will get instructions and a sample letter. If you give the name and the SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER!! and a check for $7 (U.S.) and send to the Baltimore address and wait a while you should received a copy of his application for the SSN (which the data indicates he made in Ohio). I received a response in 3 or 4 weeks. The application, if properly completed, will give his address at the time (listed as before 1951), his parents (mother's maiden name) and where he might have been working at the time You can look up some other sources there -- but be prepared -- there are a number of Joseph Harris's that have peopled this country! Russ