In a message dated 8/14/01 5:13:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time, coachncathy@atmc.net writes: > I have been looking at township or division maps with names of home and > property owners in Butler County, PA for the year of 1874. > > Are there similar maps for Washington County? 1876 Caldwell's Atlas maps for Washington County can be accessed through Clair John 'Bill' Thomson, Sr.'s homepage at : http://www.clairthompson.com/ Thanks Bill! and........ 1876 Caldwell's Atlas maps for Greene County can be accessed through my Adams Family site at: http://members.aol.com/rslater463/AdamsIndex.html Just scroll on down those pages for the links and enjoy! Jan Slater Vashon Island, WA

Hi All I have been looking at township or division maps with names of home and property owners in Butler County, PA for the year of 1874. Are there similar maps for Washington County? Thanks Ron Richardson

Bill.. Thank you for the info on the Chalfant and Stone families. I am sending a copy of your email to Lucinda Durbin, who, looks to be a 3X Granddaughter of Chadds, and will be eager to talk to you I'm sure. Also, I am sending a copy to our local (Mon Valley) mailing list, as I believe there may be others there who would be interested in your (and your Aunts) research. Thank you again, Mike Donaldson Cindy and List... Hope this additional info is helpful (see below) Mike. In a message dated 8/13/01 9:09:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bchalfant@grasshoppernet.com writes: > Mike: > > Was glad to see someone mention Chads Chalfant (he is my great great great > grandfather). My Aunt Lila Chalfant Underwood did some research before her > death and her papers which she left me shows Chads' mother, Sarah Cloud > Chalfant, as being the daughter of Mordecai Cloud and Sarah (Chads) Cloud. > Sarah Chalfant was a descendant of Francis Chads (?great granddaughter?), > who came from Wiltshire England in 1648. Francis Chads, after his first > wife died, married Grace Marple in 1695 and settled on the Brandywine at > the ford which bears the family name of Chads. John Chads (son of Francis > Chads) built the old stone house at the north end of the village of Chads > Ford, and established a ferry across the creek. > > Chads Chalfant's grandfather (paternal) was Robert Chalfant (b. 5/12/1688, > England, d. 4/6/1767) and his paternal grandmother was Martha (last name > unk), b. c.1688, Chester PA). His paternal great grandfather was the common > American ancestor John Chalfont (b. 5/8/1660, England, d. 8/15/1725, > Chester Co PA). He was married to Ruth Chandler (b. 1660) on 7/16/1687 in > England. > > William Benjamin Chalfant (Bill Chalfant) > Easton KS > > > > Thanks, Mike Donaldson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------- List owner - pamonval-l@rootsweb.com - pamonval-d@rootsweb.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------- Web sites: Mon Valley Historical and Genealogy PA http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pamonval Mon Valley, Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow http://www.geocities.com/mdonald318 Donaldson - Bieneman Family Web Site: http://www.my-ged.com/donldson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------

Hi list, I have looked at Morton's in a book titled David Thomas and His Descendents by Rolland Shields Thomas, Cindy. But to be sure, would you please be more specific as to time period (birth, marriage and death dates roughly), and location of your family? There may be some clues here that will help you. Jan

I have an ancestor named Susan ROBSON (1861-1948) who married Charles W. KERR (1856-1907), and they had one known son by the name of Maurice KERR (born November 1887). I have found the graves for Susan and Charles in the Richland Cemetery in Dravosburg, PA; along with the graves of her mother and father: Sarah Clarinda & George ROBSON (Mr. Robson's grave is a white military burial stone and there is a GAR marker on the grave.) Between the grave markers for the above KERR couple and the ROBSON couple is a large stone memorial monument of three tiers with a roof type design. On the second tier is noted the word KERR, and mid-peak of the "roof" is a fancy 'K'. The row behind these sets of markers already noted, there are two other KERR grave markers: (I did not record the details when I was there, and so I have to used a magnifying glass on photos taken there!) These two stones are the small "pillow" style and read something like: David Kerr Dec. 10, 1923 (stone on the left, and on the right and facing the large KERR monument is a second marker with:) Mary KERR, Jan. 5, 1860 - Jan. 30, 1923 1900 Federal Census, Allegheny Co., PA; Duquesne Borough ED 367, Sheet 2, Line 74 Entry 35/42; Living on N. Second Street Kerr, Charles W.; born November 1856; 43 years old; parents and self born in PA; wood carpenter; first marriage of 13 years; owns own home Kerr, Susan, wife, born September 1861; parents and self born in PA; age 38 years; marriage 1 of 13 years Kerr, Maurice R., son; born November 1887, age 12 years; born in PA; in school 1910 Federal Census; Allegheny Co., PA; Pittsburgh City; living on Friendship Avenue ED 0377, Sheet 2B; family #39 Kerr, Susan, head of family; 48 years old, widow; birth to 1 child, child still living; parents and self born in PA; rents home Kerr, Maurice, son; 22 years old, born in PA; single; works as a clerk for the Telephone Co. [husband Charles W. dies in 1907) I know from a "Letter of Administration" for the mother of Susan, Sarah C. Robson, in 1920, the address for Susan Kerr is shown as Cleveland, Ohio. I have no knowledge of the KERR family beyond what is noted here, and would love to find out more. I wonder if there are any descendants of the line still alive and also seeking their roots? If anyone recognizes these people, I sure would be interested. Karen Souhrada souhrada@rochester.rr.com Researching: Pennsylvania:..HAGERTY, ROBSON, ATCHESON,MC ALISTER, GEHO, WILLIAMS, BLANEY, MCCLUGAGE, HUDSON, JOBES Illinois.......HAMMANG, KOUDELKA, LIDISKY, SORGMANN, SOUHRADA, VALTA, VOPICKA

Hi, Eva, Dee wrote this note: > One of the ladies at the Washington Co. Courthouse thought it may be a "Quaker > Marriage". But couldn't tell me anything about what that meant. Although I > know they were not of the Quaker Faith. In the Quaker Meeting, a bride and groom agree in front of those present to be faithful spouses one to the other, using words of their choice, with no clergyman "pronouncing that they are husband and wife together," as in other denominations. After the service is over, those present sign the wedding certificate as the witnesses. In some Meetings, I believe, there is a special place on the certificate set aside for family -- it could be the first few lines or a corner area or something like that. And, sometimes I've seen certificates with very few names on it; one of my early Chalfant family marriages had six names, I think it was, on the actual certificate. Whether more were in attendance, I don't know, but there were just six names on the page. I am not certain whether it would matter if the couple were actually of the Friends faith for them to do the same thing...literally "marrying each other" without the presence of any judge, justice or minister/priest/rabbi. It would seem to me that it probably wouldn't back then; now, there might be some question about marrying in that manner. Maybe this just makes the question fuzzier...I don't know, but I hope it helps clarify just a little bit. Sincerely, Cindy Lucinda Cunningham Durbin <http://www.paperdolls.org>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E062E3484ECD4B528CE4DACB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BRIAN_ROBBINS wrote: > IM TRYING TO LOCATE ANY ROBBINS' RELATIVES WHO HAVE INFO ON THE FOLLOWING ROBBINS; LEVI ROBBINS-1818-1881, AARON ROBBINS(HIS FATHER) 1782-1874-BORN IN NEW JERSEY. OTHER SIBLINGS OF AARON WERE; AARON , WILLIAM, JOSEPH, MARIA, MARY. LEVI'S SIBLINGS WERE ALBERT, WILLIAM,JOSEPH, > AARON ROBBINS(SR) WAS A BRICK MASON, AS WAS LEVI AND AARON JR., AARON BUILT THE FIRST COURTHOUSE OF STONE IN BUTLERPA. AS WELL AS VARIOUS OTHER BUILDINGS IN AND AROUND FAYETTE COUNTY. THIS FAMILY IS LISTED IN THE ELLIS BOOK OF 1882, IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN READING FURTHER ABOUT THEM. IF ANY INFO, HOWEVER SEEMINGLY MINOR IS KNOWN PLEASE DONT HESITATE TO E MAIL ME BRIAN ROBBINS. -- Thanks Mike Donaldson, Bentleyville, PA (mdonald4@bentcom.net) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mon Valley History and Genealogy Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pamonval/ Mon Valley: Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow: http://www.geocities.com/mdonald318/ My family gedcom: http://www.my-ged.com/donldson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Listowner of: Monongahela River Valley of Penna Rootsweb mailing list: PAMONVAL-L@rootsweb.com - Mail mode PAMONVAL-D@rootsweb.com - Digest mode Bieneman / Bienemann Rootsweb Mailing list Bienemann-L@rootsweb.com - Mail Mode Bienemann-D@rootsweb.com - Digest mode --------------E062E3484ECD4B528CE4DACB Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by atl4.america.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA20713 for <mdonald4@bentcom.net>; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 20:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f7C0x1a03244 for PAMONVAL-admin@lists5.rootsweb.com; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:59:01 -0600 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:59:01 -0600 X-From_: BRIAN_ROBBINS@email.msn.com Sat Aug 11 18:59:01 2001 Received: from newmail.rootsweb.com (newmail.rootsweb.com [192.168.1.103]) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f7C0x1K03223 for <PAMONVAL-D-request@lists5.rootsweb.com>; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:59:01 -0600 Received: from cpimssmtpu11.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu11.email.msn.com [207.46.181.86]) by newmail.rootsweb.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f7C0x1419910 for <PAMONVAL-D-request@rootsweb.com>; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:59:01 -0600 Received: from oemcomputer ([63.10.64.128]) by cpimssmtpu11.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:59:00 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01c122ca$80c64460$80400a3f@oemcomputer> From: "BRIAN_ROBBINS" <BRIAN_ROBBINS@email.msn.com> To: <PAMONVAL-D-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: robbins of connellsville pa Old-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 21:02:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2001 00:59:00.0940 (UTC) FILETIME=[F94C90C0:01C122C9] X-Diagnostic: Unprocessed X-Envelope-To: PAMONVAL-D-request Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 IM TRYING TO LOCATE ANY ROBBINS' RELATIVES WHO HAVE INFO ON THE FOLLOWING ROBBINS; LEVI ROBBINS-1818-1881, AARON ROBBINS(HIS FATHER) 1782-1874-BORN IN NEW JERSEY. OTHER SIBLINGS OF AARON WERE; AARON , WILLIAM, JOSEPH, MARIA, MARY. LEVI'S SIBLINGS WERE ALBERT, WILLIAM,JOSEPH, AARON ROBBINS(SR) WAS A BRICK MASON, AS WAS LEVI AND AARON JR., AARON BUILT THE FIRST COURTHOUSE OF STONE IN BUTLERPA. AS WELL AS VARIOUS OTHER BUILDINGS IN AND AROUND FAYETTE COUNTY. THIS FAMILY IS LISTED IN THE ELLIS BOOK OF 1882, IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN READING FURTHER ABOUT THEM. IF ANY INFO, HOWEVER SEEMINGLY MINOR IS KNOWN PLEASE DONT HESITATE TO E MAIL ME BRIAN ROBBINS. --------------E062E3484ECD4B528CE4DACB--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6699AFF656BE779B93269E4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit scherer wrote: > Hi > I am also looking for Mortons > My 3x great grand father was DAVID MORTON married to a Sarah > They had seven children > DAVID > ROBERT (this is my 2 great grand father, he was married 3 x) burried western > Pa > JOSEPH > JOHN > JEROME > NAMIE > MARY > My David had a brother names Geoge, he had four children William, Linn, > rachel,Finn > Ihave information on some of the family , but i want to geo further back > If you can help great , otherwise Thank-you for your time > CINDY > clou@pulsenet.com -- Thanks Mike Donaldson, Bentleyville, PA (mdonald4@bentcom.net) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mon Valley History and Genealogy Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pamonval/ Mon Valley: Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow: http://www.geocities.com/mdonald318/ My family gedcom: http://www.my-ged.com/donldson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Listowner of: Monongahela River Valley of Penna Rootsweb mailing list: PAMONVAL-L@rootsweb.com - Mail mode PAMONVAL-D@rootsweb.com - Digest mode Bieneman / Bienemann Rootsweb Mailing list Bienemann-L@rootsweb.com - Mail Mode Bienemann-D@rootsweb.com - Digest mode --------------6699AFF656BE779B93269E4A Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by atl4.america.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA14588 for <mdonald4@bentcom.net>; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f7BLpgG07379 for PAMONVAL-admin@lists5.rootsweb.com; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:51:42 -0600 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:51:42 -0600 X-From_: clou@pulsenet.com Sat Aug 11 15:51:42 2001 Received: from newmail.rootsweb.com (newmail.rootsweb.com [192.168.1.103]) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f7BLpgK07358 for <PAMONVAL-D-request@lists5.rootsweb.com>; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:51:42 -0600 Received: from dns.pulsenet.com (root@dns.pulsenet.com [204.171.168.2]) by newmail.rootsweb.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f7BLpf424797 for <PAMONVAL-D-request@rootsweb.com>; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:51:42 -0600 Received: from clou ([216.29.124.160]) by dns.pulsenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA29967 for <PAMONVAL-D-request@rootsweb.com>; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003601c122af$c57cdbc0$a07c1dd8@clou> From: "scherer" <clou@pulsenet.com> To: <PAMONVAL-D-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: Looking for Mortons Old-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:51:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Diagnostic: Unprocessed X-Envelope-To: PAMONVAL-D-request Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Hi I am also looking for Mortons My 3x great grand father was DAVID MORTON married to a Sarah They had seven children DAVID ROBERT (this is my 2 great grand father, he was married 3 x) burried western Pa JOSEPH JOHN JEROME NAMIE MARY My David had a brother names Geoge, he had four children William, Linn, rachel,Finn Ihave information on some of the family , but i want to geo further back If you can help great , otherwise Thank-you for your time CINDY clou@pulsenet.com --------------6699AFF656BE779B93269E4A--

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In a message dated 8/11/01 12:02:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PAMONVAL-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Turekd08@aol.com wrote: I have a True and Correct Copy of an Application for Marriage License from Fayette Co. with a completed Duplicate Cirtificate of Marriage in the 1930's issued by the courthouse in Uniontown. It states that the man and woman entered into a solemnization of marriage. This marriage did not involve any Minister, Priest, Justice of the Peace, Judge or other legal authority. >> Hmm......sounds to me like it could have been a Quaker marriage. And yes, this format is still followed by Quakers today. Donna Edwards-Jordan

I have posted queries here several times on my ancestor Phineas Killum (various last name spellings in records) who appears to have been a very early settler (ca 1760-1805 in extreme southwest PA. Have had virtually no replies... is this the proper site for this search? Are ther any others that may be better?? I have lots of info on Phineas including land records etc. but no one seems to able to help me. My real interest is connecting him to his ancestors and to an ASA Killum who I am resonably sure is his son

Eva, This probably is not a common law marriage. In the state of Pennsylvania the couple first had to live together for 7 years. This was a first time marriage and the young couple received a Marriage Certificate. What ever kind of marriage it was approved by an Act of the Assembly on 23 June 1885. One of the ladies at the Washington Co. Courthouse thought it may be a "Quaker Marriage". But couldn't tell me anything about what that meant. Although I know they were not of the Quaker Faith. Dee > >

Eva Dayle Zippay <evadayle@yahoo.com> writes: >Can someone on the list give me the location of Craven Hill, in the Charleroi, Monessen, Belle Vernon, etc. area. < Dear Eva and List, I wrote the Charleroi Area Historical Society re your query. Here is their reply: Craven Hill is located on Rte 88 - as you said between Charleroi/N. Charleroi and Mon City - it is always referred to as "going up Craven Hill" so from that it could be inferred that the whole hill area inbetween the two town areas is "Craven Hill", right?. More then likely the request will be taken before the members at the next available meeting (September) and see if anyone has more specific information to share. Washington County Hist. Soc. also may have more information. We will let you know if there is anything else to report. Signed by a member of the society. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Will advise if I hear more, especially re the Craven name. Best regards, ROSTRAVER TWP. HISTORICAL SOCIETY Mary Lou Magiske, Correspondence Sec.

And in my possession is a marriage record of my great-grandparents "marrying each other in front of witnesses without benefit of clergy" from Greene Co. in 1885"....so it was not uncommon. And they did take out a marriage license but they said their own vows, made their own promises to each other. Becky Wash., Pa. Legatity of Marriage > > I can't offer an explanation ... but a slight twist on the issue. I have a copy of an Application for Marriage License with the following note in the margin: "License was Returned and parties self-married." > > - Chuck > csf@lm.com > > Eva Dayle Zippay wrote: > > > > The only thing I can think of is a "common law" marriage Now, as to why they had an application, I can only guess. > > > --- Turekd08@aol.com wrote: I have a True and Correct Copy of an Application for Marriage License from Fayette Co. with a completed Duplicate Cirtificate of Marriage in the 1930's issued by the courthouse in Uniontown. It states that the man and woman entered into a solemnization of marriage. This marriage did not involve any Minister, Priest, Justice of the Peace, Judge or other legal authority.

Somebody requested this info, but I hav elost their e-mail address: Name: Jacob HINES [1] --------------------------------------------- Spouse: Catherina GUCKER/CAGERT ? --------------------------------------------- Children --------------------------------------------- 1 F: Anna Maria 'Mary' HINES (Twin) Birth: 11 Aug 1847 Pine Creek, Allegheny Co., PA. [2], [1] Christen: 15 Aug 1847 St. Philomena RC Church, Pittsburgh, PA. [1] Sponsors: Xavier Mayer and Clemens Tanner Death: ca 1868 [3] Burial: St. Mary Cemetery, Sharpshill Rd., Sharpsburg, Allegheny Co., PA. in old section by the chapel Spouse: John OTT Marriage: 10 Mar 1867 Ss. Peter & Paul RC Church, [East End] Pittburgh, PA. [1] Witnesses: Jacob HINES/HEINZ and Peter OTT --------------------------------------------- 2 F: Philomena 'Minnie' HINES (Twin) Birth: 11 Aug 1847 [4], [1] Christen: 15 Aug 1847 St. Philomena RC Church, Pittsburgh, PA. [1] Sponsors: Xavier Mayer and Clemens Tanner Spouse: KILLIAN --------------------------------------------- 3 M: John HINES Birth: ca 1854 [5] Death: aft 1916 [6] Occupation: bridgeworker --------------------------------------------- 4 M: Joseph HINES Birth: 14 Apr 1849 [1] Christen: 6 May 1847 St. Philomena RC Church, Pittsburgh, PA. [1] Sponsors: Joseph Fogle and Margritta M. Plunket Notes for Anna Maria 'Mary' (Child 1) John's second wife, Catherine BOHR, says of the first wife the following: "John Ott was married once before to 'Mary Hines', he called her; but her full and correct name was Anna Maria as I am told by her brother John HINES [7] (who lives near me) and by her sister, Minnie KILLIAN, that it was her full name under which [she] was christened, married and buried and so inscribed on her tombstone. ..." [6] Anna Maria and her son share a tombstone which lies next to Peter OTT's and Margaritha BECK OTT's of the same size and design. On it are two names with unreadable names and dates. A Mary Lou Green (540 Sangree Rd., Pgh, Pa. 15237) says she was able to decipher this third fallen tombstone as reading: "Anna Maria Ott 1842[7] -1867". This Anna Maria or Mary would have died at age 25, if she died in 1867. However, since Peter died in 1884 and Margaritha in 1887, these tombstones were probably not selected and made prior to 1887. All three gravestones (Peter's, Margaritha's and Johannes/Anna Maria's) are of a similar style and material, so they were probably ordered and cut at the same time (or at least done by the same carver). [Possibly ordered and paid for by John OTT himself.] Notes for John & Philomena (Family) US Census: of 1900 lists John Hines 44, born in PA. March 1856, living at 26 - 48th Street with his wife, Minnie 40, born in PA. Nov. 1859; with their children: Catheran [sic] 21, born Jan. 1878; Cecilia 20, born Aug. 1879; John 18, born July 1881; Albert 16, born June 1883; Clara 14, born July 1885; Frank 12, born May 1888; Sylvester 10, born March 1890; Paul 7, born Jan. 1892; Joseph 6, born Aug. 1897; Anne -or Adam?] 2, born Aug. 1897 and Sullista [sic] 2 months, born April 1900. [8] US Census: of 1910 lists John Hines 56, married 31 years, born in PA. and both parents born in Germany, who owns his house free of mortgage; occupation: bridgeworker. His wife, Philomena 49, had eleven children, eight living; born in Pa. and her parents also born in Germany. Their children: Sylvester 20, assistant engineer at the blast furnance; Paul 19, house lather; Joseph 16 messenger for a wholesale drug manufacturer; Adam 13, attending school and Cecilia Steen 12, a niece, also attending school. All living at 1513 Mary's Ave. in Sharpsburg, PA. [5] ========================================================================== Sources 1. Letter of July 23, 2001, by Suzanne Johnston, researcher, at Diocese of Pittsburgh Archives and Records Center, 125 N. Craig St.; Pittsburgh, PA. 15213. 2. According to a very difficult to read tombstone. 3. Quite possibly 'Mary' died in childbirth. 4. US Census, 1910, Pittsburgh, Allegheny Co., PA., ED #0530. 5. US Census, 1910, Sharpsburg, Allegheny Co., PA., LDS-FHC Microfilm #1,375,310, ED #228, Line 14, dwelling #174. US Census, 1910, Sharpsburg, Allegheny Co., PA.; ED #228, Line 14, dwelling #174, LDS-FHC Microfilm #1,375,310 6. Declaration of a Widow's Pension sworn by Catherine Bohr Ott on Nov. 15, 1916. 7. In the 1912-13 Sharpsburg Directory, the only HINES listed is an Albert HINES, electrician, living at 209 Eighteenth St. 8. US Census Soundex, 1900, Sharpsburg, Allegheny Co., PA., Vol.11; ED 201; Sheet 2; Line 44, LDS-FHC Microfilm 1, 247, 949. --------------------------------------------- Please send all additions/corrections to: Cora Ott 38 Broadway - Pmb 323 Everett, MA. 02149 E-mail: ArocMae@aol.com --------------------------------------------- "You may share the above information with other family members, giving credit to the original sources or researchers, BUT you may not distribute it to any commercial enterprise nor may you publish any vital records of living persons". Cora Ott

Can anyone furnish further info on this family? Name: Alice 'Ella' C. BARTON --------------------------------------------- Birth: 21 May 1871 England Death: 1961 Burial: Mt. Vernon Cemetery, Boston, Allegheny Co., PA. Sec. C Father: William BARTON (ca1841-1899) Mother: Alice (1845-) Childhood: Alice came to the USA with her parents when she was only four years of age. The family settled in Pennsylvania and then moved to Ohio and then to Boston, PA. All within the space of about six years. A lot of moving for a little child and not too easy for her parents either with 6 and more children to be transported in days when transportation was not a simple matter. Alice's early travails unfortunately presaged her future hardships. [1] Marriage: Joseph L. Copeland and Alice Barton married on Jan. 4, 1888 by Wm. L. Douglass, Justice of the Peace. Alice's father, William Barton, signs permission for her wedding as she is under age. Witnesses were Jas. Edmundson & Wm. Duncan of Boston, PA. [2] Ella was widowed at age 29 with three small children; her father having died two years prior to her widowhood and her mother was living with her when her husband, Joseph COPELAND, died. Eventually she remarried to a Mr. EICHER. Despite all her hardships, Ella lived to be 89 years old, longer than her husbands and children and several grandchildren! Spouse #1 --------------------------------------------- 1: Joseph Lander 'Orlando' COPELAND Birth: 23 Dec 1864 Boston, Elizabeth Twp., Allegheny Co., PA. Death: 25 Jul 1901 Boston, Allegheny Co., PA. [3], [4] Age: 36 Death in Brown Mine #2 [Mining accident] Burial: Mt. Vernon Cemetery, Boston, Allegheny Co., PA. [5] in Sec. C with his wife, her second husband and his two daughters. Occupation: Driver [in 1888]; Coal miner [in 1901] Father: Joseph B. COPELAND (1825-<1890) Mother: Margaret J. NICKLE/NICHOLS (ca1834-1897) Joseph's death hit the headlines of the McKeesport Daily News, unfortunately, on July 25, 1901. These headlines read: "A Fatal Fall of Slate" with the sub-heading: "Orlando Copeland's Life Crushed Out at Boston Mine No. 2 This Morning". And the rest reads: "Orlando Copeland of Boston, PA. was instantly killed while working in No. 2 mines at that place. The fatality occurred at 10 o"clock this morning. The fellow workmen of the unfortunate miner at once began the work of rescue. The slate was removed, and the rescuers found their companion, but life was extinct. The victim of the disaster was born and raised in Boston and was 35 years old. He was the son of the late Joseph Copeland, who also resided at Boston, and a son-in-law of William Barton who was killed in the mines at Greenock two years ago. The deceased is survived by a wife and three small children. Mrs. Fleming, of Boston, is a sister." [4] The following day the McKeesport Daily News ran this obituary: "The sad death of Mr. Orlando Copeland, of Boston, PA. was a shock to the whole community, as well as to the members of his family. Mr. Copeland, as was stated yesterday, was at work in a coal mine when he was caught under a fall of slate. He was killed instantly. The body was taken to his home. He is a member of the Jr. O.U.A.M., and also of the M.E. Church and Sunday School. He was in his 37th year. He is survived by his wife and three small children and seven sisters and two brothers. Funeral services will be held tomorrow in the M. E. Church at 1 o'clock. Interment in Mt. Vernon Cemetery." [6] * The 1876 Atlas of Allegheny Co. shows a W. H. Brown Coal Co. in North Versailles Twp. It was located just up river from Port Perry (at the junction of the Monogahela River and Turtle Creek). *In 1897 the McKeesport Daily News contained the following article: "Browne's mines on the Yough closed down because the company wanted the men to accept a reduction in wages. the men have been getting 2.25 cents a bushel ..." [7] Joseph's middle name is either Lelander or Lander. It is written in both ways in various documents. He was probably given the nickname "Orlando" to distinguish him from his father who was also a 'Joseph'. Marriage: 4 Jan 1888 [8] US Census: of 1900 lists Joseph, born Dec. 1865, married for 12 years, a Day Laborer, renting his house [living on the same street as his sister and her family, Mary Copeland Fleming; This road is now Rt. 48]. Living with him are his wife, Alice, born in England on May, 1871. She emigrated in 1872 [at age 2] and had three children of whom are living at the time of this census. Their children: William J., born Nov. 1889; David, born Aug. 1896 and Stella, born July 1897. Joseph's mother-in-law, Alice Barton, born in England on July 1845, is living with them [although this Alice is also counted as living as a boarder with the Robert Thomas family --- see Alice Barton's notes] [9] Children: William Joseph 'J.W.' (1889-1952) David (1896-1946) Stella 'Ella' B. (1897-1916) SPOUSE #2: --------------------------------------------- 2: Harry B. EICHER Birth: 22 Mar 1874 Boston, Elizabeth Twp., Allegheny Co., PA. Death: Aug 1944 Boston, Elizabeth Twp., Allegheny Co., PA. Burial: Mt. Vernon Cemetery, Boston, Allegheny Co., PA. Sec. C; Services by Willig Funeral Home. Occupation: Road Supervisor for Elizabeth Township Father: Joseph EICHER (ca1841-) Mother: Charlotte BERESFORD (ca1843-) Obituary: Harry B. Eicher, 70, road supervisor for Elizabeth Township, died at 12:40 a.m. today in his home, Mead St., Boston. Born in Boston [PA.] on March 22, 1874, he was a lifelong resident of this district. He is survived by his wife; two daughters, Lottie and Alberta; two sons, William of McKeesport and Harry of Detroit; two step-sons, J. W. Copeland of Boston and David Copeland of McKeesport; four sisters, Mrs. David Elder, of McKeesport, and Mrs. Jacob Snyder and Mrs. Laura Robinson, Boston, and Mrs. Martha Turner, Ambridge; one brother, Curtis, McKeesport, and 15 grandchildren." [10] Marriage: aft 1907 =========================================================================== Sources 1. 1880 US Census. 2. Marriage Certificate of 4-28-1897 - copy in Cora OTT's files. 3. Info from Book: The Elizabeth Herald Newspapers-Jan. 3, 1890 to June 27, 1912 inc. by Beatruce Penn Simmers; Harrisburg, PA. 17111: p. A22; B17. 4. McKeesport Daily News: July 25, 1901 5. Mt. Vernon Cemetery records. 6. McKeesport Daily News: July 26, 1901 7. "The Miners are Out", McKeesport Daily News, April 15, 1897. 8. Marriage Certificate, Jan. 4, 1888, Allegheny Co., 9329; Vol. 7; p.75, Wm. L. Douglass, J.P. 9. US Census, 1900, ED 376; Sheet 15; Lines 4-9, LDS-FHC Microfilm 1, 241,367. 10. McKeesport Daily News, August 5, 1944, probably. (found in the obituary file at ETHS, Boston, PA) --------------------------------------------- Please send all additions/corrections to: Cora Ott 38 Broadway - Pmb 323 Everett, MA. 02149 E-mail: ArocMae@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ "You may share the above information with other family members, giving credit to the original sources or researchers, BUT you may not distribute it to any commercial enterprise nor may you publish any vital records of living persons". Cora Ott

Hi friends, I made 2 unverified discoveries yesterday that I want to offer up for speculation. According to the LDS IGI (do I have the right initials?) the full name for my great-grandmother was Cynthia Maria Conaway--I do know for certain her middle initial was M. John Conaway (Father of Cynthia) was married (1) to Rhodias CARTER. Rhodias has been verified, but Carter hasn't. I checked the census index on Ancestry.com and found tons of Carter entries for Pa., but most interesting was a William Carter of Greene Co., Pa.--I believe Morris Twp. I know that John Conaway was born and lived in Fredericktown, Pa. for many years, and that several of his children married people from Greene co. Also, the name William and names beginning with W seem to figure prominently in John and Rhodias' children--i.e. Albert W. Alson W. William M. Willemine Also, and I'm speaking from memory now, in one of the 3 Conaway sons who had Civil War pension applications, there was an affidavit submitted by a Carter who seemed to have been too old to have been a contemporary of the veteran. I'll check more on that and get back with that information. John's second wife was Eliza Ann ? My aunt told me that Eliza Ann was Rhodias' sister. My aunt got this information from her mother, who was raised by John and Eliza Ann. Of course this information is unverified, but I must say that with all the other information that my aunt gave me that I have attempted to prove she has been correct. So, what is the feedback? Eva ===== Eva Dayle Zippay Tallahassee, Florida evadayle@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

I have a True and Correct Copy of an Application for Marriage License from Fayette Co. with a completed Duplicate Cirtificate of Marriage in the 1930's issued by the courthouse in Uniontown. It states that the man and woman entered into a solemnization of marriage. This marriage did not involve any Minister, Priest, Justice of the Peace, Judge or other legal authority. What is the lagal basis for this marriage and is it still practiced? Does any one know anything about this kind of Marriage? Dee

Hi, The only thing I can think of is a "common law" marriage. The rules vary from state to state as to what constitutes such a marriage, but I recall that in Pennsylvania all that was required was a demonstration of an intention of the couple to form a marriage, and that there be at least one witness to the fact. The witness wasn't to the vows, but to the appearance of a marriage. Also, a common-law marriage required a legal divorce, not just a breaking up of the household. The laws may have changed over the past 20 years, what with couples living together, etc., but that was the law. Now, as to why they had an application, I can only guess. My first thought is that for some legal matter at a later date they needed written, legal proof of marriage. If someone has the real answer I sure would be interested in hearing it! Eva in Tallahassee --- Turekd08@aol.com wrote: > I have a True and Correct Copy of an Application for > Marriage License from > Fayette Co. with a completed Duplicate Cirtificate > of Marriage in the 1930's > issued by the courthouse in Uniontown. It states > that the man and woman > entered into a solemnization of marriage. This > marriage did not involve any > Minister, Priest, Justice of the Peace, Judge or > other legal authority. What > is the lagal basis for this marriage and is it still > practiced? Does any one > know anything about this kind of Marriage? > Dee > > > ==== PAMONVAL Mailing List ==== > Remember!! The "reply to" button will send only to > the author of a message. > If your reply "might" be of interest to the list, be > sure to enter > PAMONVAL-L@rootsweb.com in the cc box on your mail > program. > ===== Eva Dayle Zippay Tallahassee, Florida evadayle@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

Eva, Craven Hill is between Lock 4 and Monoingahela. It takes you through Carroll Township. Sacred Heat Cemetery is located off this road and further down there is a turn to go to Monongahela Cemetery. Marian Bonacci in Virginia Originally from Charleroi ----- Original Message ----- From: <PAMONVAL-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <PAMONVAL-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 8:04 AM Subject: PAMONVAL-D Digest V01 #152