In a message dated 11/19/1999 4:00:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, buckr@mindspring.com writes: << There's the Frederick Bates you were looking for. Speculation: maybe he's the brother of George Casner Bates. He is not one of GCB's children. Ruth in GA >> You may be right, Ruth. Did I tell you I have CASNER'S in my line - connected to HANWAYS/HANAWAYS who are more directly connected to my ENGARDS? Gerre