In a message dated 01/14/2000 2:23:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, JVR321@aol.com writes: << There must be someone out there who is familiar with JOSEPH R. PLACE. >> The following researcher has lots of info on PLEIS/PLEUS/etc. and thinks one of them changed his name to John M. PLACE who immigrated in 1822. CORose@email.msn.com I am researching the PLEISS line of siblings: Elizabeth/Lizzy, Rebecca, Mary, Caroline, John M., & Kate M. Looks like this: Descendants of Unknown PLEISE 1 Unknown PLEISE b: in PA ... +Catherine UNKNOWN b: Abt. 1804 in PA ..... 2 Rebecca Christina PLEISE b: February 02, 1818 d: June 01, 1894 .......... +Jacob GRIM b: March 11, 1819 d: April 20, 1896 ............. 3 Susan Elmira GRIM b: August 14, 1842 d: June 20, 1927 .................. +Joseph McFARLAND b: November 23, 1833 d: November 09, 1867 ............. 3 Caroline "Carrie" Rebecca GRIM b: Abt. 1845 .................. +Nathan FRICK ..... 2 Elizabeth K. "Lizzy" PLEISE b: December 1826 in PA d: September 28, 1903 .......... +George ENGARD b: 1826 in PA m: August 03, 1856 in Norristown, Montgomery, PA d: September 08, 1862 in Fairfax Hospital,, VA ............. 3 Frederick L./P. ENGARD b: May 21, 1857 in Plymouth Twp., Montgomery, PA d: 1931 in Phila., Phila., PA .................. +Emily B. BENNETT b: June 15, 1859 in Phila, Phila., PA m: October 07, 1880 in Phila., Phila., PA d: 1925 ............. 3 (child) ENGARD b: Abt. 1860 ............. 3 Mary Caroline "Georgette" ENGARD b: August 03, 1862 in Phila., Phila., PA ..... 2 Mary PLEISE b: Abt. 1828 in PA ..... 2 Caroline L. PLEISE b: Abt. 1832 in PA ..... 2 John M. PLEISE b: Abt. 1835 in PA ..... 2 Kate M. PLEISE b: Abt. 1835 in P Gerre Engard Byrd