Hi Dick, Thanks again for your very informative reply to my question about my ELLIS family in Cornwall, England, later at Upper Merion Twp., PA, USA. You and some others were certainly helpful. It shows that the people on these lists are not only very willing to help each other, but also have lots of historical knowledge to share. I had several replies about Cornwall. Annie's obit, in 1911, said she was born in Cornwall, England. I thought for the last two years that Cornwall was a city. Shows what thinking can do for/to you, doesn't it? Anyway, I now know what Cornwall is. It seems to have a world wide fan club, almost a family. There seems to be a secret joke going around reference touching one's nose with one's tongue, but it somehow seems to be over my head. I often wondered where Anna's middle name came from, and I suppose your idea of a place name in Cornwall seems better than any I've thought of. I don't know anything about vital records in the UK, except that they began in 1837, much earlier than in the US. I only have found IGI info at the LDS Library here, so far. but would love to get birth, christening, and marriage records, if available in England. A trip to the LDS Library last Thursday found some of the family in St Austell, Cornwall, England, up to 1847. This would put them on the ship between 1847, when Annie was born in England, and 1849 when the US Census had them, with George as US born, and 8/12 old. There were three possible James ELLIS - Mary Ann ???? marriages in the early 1830s One each in London, Suffolk, and Norfolk. I sent e-mails to listers in those counties working on ELLISes, but no connection has been made yet. What town's are in Montgomery Twp? I used to work at Alan Wood Steel Co., in Conshohocken, and I worked with a superintendent, Don MATHEWS, and a melter, his son, Larry MATHEWS. Any connection? Thanks again, BobR