Hi, Susan: Seeing your Smiths in Upper Merion got me wondering if Charles isn't related in some way (father, perhaps?) to the Frank C. Smith who's buried in Gulph Christian Cemetery in Upper Merion, along with his wife Isabella. She is a KNEZEL, sister to Jacob KNEZEL, husband of one of my WHITEHEAD ancestors, Anna Maria/Hannah WHITEHEAD. There is a Rachel KNEZEL buried next to Frank and Isabella, with the inscription "our devoted mother," or something to that effect. Rachel was 70 in the 1850 census and died in the 1860s. Perhaps there is a COATES/SMITH/KNEZEL/WHITEHEAD connection we can exploit? Both Frank SMITH and Jacob KNEZEL fought in the Civil War. Jacob died near Manassas, VA in 1863. Dan in the Windy City ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan McIntyre" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] Re: Nathan SMITH of Upper Marion > Thank you so much for taking the time to search for my Nathaniel/Nathan > Smith. This listing may be the closest I have come to documenting the > existence of a Nathaniel/Nathan Smith in the correct location during the > correct time period. > > 1) The Coates family which his wife Rachel is from resided in Upper > Merion Twp., Montgomery Co. PA > > 2) His only known surviving child - Charles M. Smith was born in 1816 PA > > 3) His son Charles M. Smith is documented living in Ohio by 1837 > working as a teacher. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can get any more documentation > on the Nathan Smith listed in the history book? Nathan/Nathaniel Smith > never appears on the Montgomery Co. PA census. If this is the correct > Smith he also is likely "gone" by 1830 since his wife Rachel Smith > appears as the head of the household in the 1830 Upper Merion Twp., > Montgomery Co. PA census. > > I would be most grateful for any suggestions, > Susan McIntyre > > > > [email protected] wrote: > > >In a message dated 6/27/03 5:46:02 PM, [email protected] writes: > ><<am beginning to wonder if Nathaniel/Nathan Smith ever existed! >> > >---------------------------- > >Source Information: HISTORY OF MONTGOMERY COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA > >EDITED BY THEODORE W. BEAN PHILADELPHIA: EVERTS & PECK. 1884 > > > >Nathan Smith, from the Gulf, in Upper Merion announces the opening of a > >boarding-school "for young gentlemen and ladies," January 20, 1814, in which he > >proposed to teach besides, the ordinary branches, book-keeping, elocution, > >English grammar, composition, geography, mathematics, astronomy and the Latin and > >Greek languages. Charge for tuition amid boarding per annum, one hundred and > >sixty dollars; for day scholars per quarter, seven dollars; pupils limited to > >fifty. What success attended this effort we are unable to state. > >---------------------------- > >Hope this helps. > > > > > > > >==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > >Composing your query (E-mail message) > >KISS- Keep It Short & Simple > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > List owner Nadine Hensley [email protected] > >

Hello Dan, Oh how I wish I could find another researcher looking for my group of Smiths - a group effort often produces some great results! But from what I can document... 1) Charles M. Smith born 1816 PA was the only surviving son of Rachel Coates born abt. 1787 and Nathaniel/Nathan Smith (no further info on him). 2) Charles M. Smith's first marriage is documented in 1837 Clermont Co. Ohio - where he lived until the late 1860's. 4) His children are well documented and there is no known given name of Frank in the family (he seemed to name his children after his cousins back in PA). 5) Charles M. Smith died in D.C. in 1880 (his second wife having died 2 years earlier). My problem is that I am unable to document Nathaniel/Nathan Smith - other than his listing as father of Charles & husband of Rachel in the book "Swedish Holstein's in America from 1644 to 1891" by Anna M. Holstein. Her research began in the mid 1800's when many early family members were still available to contribute data. I have found a few errors in the book but the majority of the information is amazingly accurate so I am continuing on the assumption that Nathaniel Smith is the Smith I need to find. Where we might be able to connect is if I can break through my Nathaniel Smith brick wall and discover that he is in some way related to your Smiths (Upper Merion does not appear to be that large of an area). I never did find Nathaniel/Nathan Smith listed in any of the Montgomery co. PA census. The Smith's may have lived in the household of Rachel's widowed mother - Rachel Holstein/Coates d. 1829 and in the 1830 census Rachel Smith is listed as head of household. I did find listings for a Charles Smith who possibly could be related to my group of Smiths since the given name Charles is not found in the Coates family so it's possible it was give to honor the Smith side. But until I make some headway on Nathaniel/Nathan Smith I am unable to offer any conclusive connections to any early Smith group. I thank you for letting me know about your Smiths and if you feel I am missing a point/connection please feel free to let me know - I am desperate! By the way Charles M. Smith did have sons who served in the Civil War but for Ohio. Susan Daniel J. Kane wrote: >Hi, Susan: > >Seeing your Smiths in Upper Merion got me wondering if Charles isn't related >in some way (father, perhaps?) to the Frank C. Smith who's buried in Gulph >Christian Cemetery in Upper Merion, along with his wife Isabella. She is a >KNEZEL, sister to Jacob KNEZEL, husband of one of my WHITEHEAD ancestors, >Anna Maria/Hannah WHITEHEAD. >There is a Rachel KNEZEL buried next to Frank and Isabella, with the >inscription "our devoted mother," or something to that effect. Rachel was >70 in the 1850 census and died in the 1860s. Perhaps there is a >COATES/SMITH/KNEZEL/WHITEHEAD connection we can exploit? >Both Frank SMITH and Jacob KNEZEL fought in the Civil War. Jacob died near >Manassas, VA in 1863. > >Dan in the Windy City > > > >