There's a Morrisville in Bucks Co, PA and a Norristown in Montgomery Co, PA, but I don't know of a Morristown, PA. The only Morristown I know of is in New Jersey. Thera ----- Original Message ----- From: <Corj42@cs.com> To: <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] Daniel K. Cassel's Books > ...(Mrs. Spence mentions "The Cassell Family History" by David K. Cassell of > Morristown, PA. She proceeds to mention some of the early details of the > Cassell... > > Does anybody know the location of Morristown? > I've been looking for it because an ancestor died there. > Cynthia > > ______________________________

Could that town be Norristown PA??? Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <Corj42@cs.com> To: <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] Daniel K. Cassel's Books > > > > ...(Mrs. Spence mentions "The Cassell Family History" by David K. Cassell > of > Morristown, PA. She proceeds to mention some of the early details of the > Cassell... > > Does anybody know the location of Morristown? > I've been looking for it because an ancestor died there. > Cynthia > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Surnames always in capital letters. > >

...(Mrs. Spence mentions "The Cassell Family History" by David K. Cassell of Morristown, PA. She proceeds to mention some of the early details of the Cassell... Does anybody know the location of Morristown? I've been looking for it because an ancestor died there. Cynthia

HeritageQuest is avaiable from your home if you're a member of one of several genealogical societies, including the Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania <http://www.genpa.org/>. Also, Godfrey Memorial Library <www.godfrey.org> gives their subscribers access to HeritageQuest---and that's how I have access to it. Chuck Wolfram "PEGGIE SHAW" <PEGGIESHAW@msn.com> wrote: > > I accessed the book from Heritage quest...all the > pages are there. If you have a library card, check > with the library as a lot of them subscribe to > Heritage quest and have it available to their > patrons. > Peg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > senorasimcox@aol.com<mailto:senorasimcox@aol.com> > To: > PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:44 AM > Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] People who is interested in > the Cassel Book > > > Hello, > > The Cassel Book is on Ancestry.com.....you have to > be a subscriber of the Local and Family Histories > database, in order to see the entire book. I do > stress there might be some pages missing, I have > printed out a couple of other books, and pages were > missing.

I have found the three books that I have (Kolb etc, Cassel etc, Rittenhouse etc -- which is more of a large pamphlet) quite good. Most of the problems have been discussed over the years (the last 100?). Most notably are the early Rittenhuysen linking it to a grand family in Germany. This has turned out to be incorrect. In my personal experience, the more information he presents, the more likely it is correct. It has been problematic when someone has married more than once to someone else who is from a common family. About 10 years ago I had a Swartz problem which Melva Taylor sorted out for me. But there are no major problems which cannot be sorted out even today. But like any genealogy, I wouldn't use it as a bible, but it is as close as you can get for those families. Also, note that in the Kolb book, several Cassel women are listed as daughters of Hupert Cassel. Unfortunately there were several Huperts, so it is best to have both Kolb and Cassel Family books. In regards to the Beans which appear in the Cassel Family book, I was in contact with Harrison Cassel about 10 years ago. He has since passed away and his documentation was given to the Historical Society of Montgomery County. I was fortunate enough, however, to receive his data in gedcom format about 9 years ago, and keep it on file. So if anyone has a Bean question, I *might* be able to help. The way I worked out of the Cassel books is to use it all, and then prove it afterwards. It's accurate to about 90% (if not more). Michel

Just a quick note. I did a posting already, but I've seen the original bible document that Joel Alderfer showed me at MHEP, and her name is Keißerin, the "-in" being the German feminine on maiden names. She's not a Custer (Kuster), but indeed a Keyser. Michel

I won't go through all the sources now that more or less show that the father of Cornelia "Neetlje" Classen/Claessen (and various spellings) who married Isaac van Sintern is Cornelius Claessen (and various spellings) as it seems to be generally accepted. Remember, two the daughters who married into the Kolb family are Magdalena and Sarah (I am descended from their father Isaac a total of 5 times) were married respectively to Martin Kolb and Jacob Kolb (sons of Thielman Kolb). Food for thought... In my person by person lookup of will extracts, this popped up: CLAESEN, CORNELIUS. September 30, 1708. October 23, 1708. C. 139. Daughter Catherine Beerens of Philadelphia., widow and her four children names not given. Administrator: Katherine Beerens. Witnesses: Jacob Gaetschalck, Isaac van Sintern and Hannah Kasdorp. Any discussion of note? Incidentally regarding patronyms, it would imply that Cornelius' father's first name here would be Claes. We do know however that the daughter of Cornelius Classes, ie, Cornelia, had 4 daughters, but the daughter (a widow) mentioned here is Catherine Beerens. Michel

If any one on this list lives in CT you have access to Heritage Quest (HQ) from home, just go to: http://www.iconn.org select remote login and enter your library card number. Some areas in other states like NY and ND offer this to there residents, but each County or State that offers it has a diferant way of accessing it. If you know how to access it from another area why not let the list know, someone may be helped who did not know that they had access toHeritage Quest. You can not buy a subscription to HQ yourself, has to be a library or an organization like that. They have thousands of books there scanned in for you to use, to bad that not everyone has free access to it. Ray Brown http://www.rays-place.com PEGGIE SHAW wrote: >OK I will try to clear up some confusion. You can not access Heritage quest without a subscription to Proquest, which is like a search engine, consisting of many databases (heritage quest being only one of the databases) Proquest is expensive, but many libraries subscribe to it for their patrons to use. So my advise is get out your library card, call your library and ask if 1. they have a subscription to proquest (heritage quest) and 2. if you can access their databases on-line. If your local library does not have a subscription to proquest, try the nearest College library. Some colleges will allow you to access their subscription databases on site, even if you are not a student. Some you must be a student. It is worth a little sleuthing. >Peg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: senorasimcox@aol.com<mailto:senorasimcox@aol.com> > To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:40 PM > Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] People who is interested in the Cassel Book > > > Peg, > > Do you have the link to this Heritage Quest you were talking about? > > jamie > > -----Original Message----- > From: PEGGIE SHAW <PEGGIESHAW@msn.com<mailto:PEGGIESHAW@msn.com>> > To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:01:40 -0700 > Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] People who is interested in the Cassel Book > > > I accessed the book from Heritage quest...all the pages are there. If you have a > library card, check with the library as a lot of them subscribe to Heritage > quest and have it available to their patrons. > Peg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: senorasimcox@aol.com<mailto:senorasimcox@aol.com<mailto:senorasimcox@aol.com<mailto:senorasimcox@aol.com>> > To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:44 AM > Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] People who is interested in the Cassel Book > > > Hello, > > The Cassel Book is on Ancestry.com.....you have to be a subscriber of the > Local and Family Histories database, in order to see the entire book. I do > stress there might be some pages missing, I have printed out a couple of other > books, and pages were missing. > > jamie > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Praise publicly, complain privately > > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > List topic Montgromery County PA this means anything genealogy related > ex.surnames, locations, history. > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > List topic Montgromery County PA this means anything genealogy related > ex.surnames, locations, history. > > > >==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== >No political statements to this list. >No religious statements. >You will be banned from list. > > > > > > >

Yes, I agree. The will extract was sitting in my file from years ago. Someone wrote me but said that Jacob was married to Mary Cressman, and I was of not much use to her. She wrote: "I guess there was some bad blood between him and his only son?? Anyway, it appears that this Jacob -dec'd was married to a Mary CREFSMAN (sic). There were some guardianship papers later, which her brother handled for this Jacob's, deceased, children: Catherine, Hannah, Margaret, Dilman, and Susanna." Unfortunately I can't seem to reach the person who wrote me. But I'm grateful for the correction. With my 5 year gap not having internet, there's been quite an improvement in resources, but a lot of people have changed their addresses. At least this is now sorted out in my file. By the way, when I was at MHEP, Joel Alderfer told me that the mother of said Jacob was not Susannah (Custer) Kuster, but Keyser. He showed me a copy of the bible it came from, it was written in the feminine "Keißerin". Joel had this printed in one of the MHEP newsletters a few years back, which I do not have, but I do have a big note in my files to that effect. I don't have her parents yet, but I haven't looked too hard there. So many people to look up, so little time!!! Michel

"Virginia Valley Records" Genealogical and Historical Materials of Rockingham County, Virginia and Related Regions By John W. Wayland Originially published in 1930 Pages 346-351 "The Cassell Family" by Mrs. Audrey Kemper Spence of Wythevill, Virginia. (Mrs. Spence mentions "The Cassell Family History" by David K. Cassell of Morristown, PA. She proceeds to mention some of the early details of the Cassell immigrant that had three sons, Jacob, Abraham and Martin. Abraham and Martin moved to Kentucky and then discusses MICHAEL CASSELL who came to Wythe County, VA in the second half of the 1700s)

Try Godfrey Memorial Library in CT. The cost is $35.00 for 12 months. You have access to Heritage Quest; books on line; and newspaper. It is a great bargain. Pat Smith in Tioga Co. PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "PEGGIE SHAW" <PEGGIESHAW@msn.com> To: <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] People who is interested in the Cassel Book > OK I will try to clear up some confusion. You can not access Heritage > quest without a subscription to Proquest, which is like a search engine, > consisting of many databases (heritage quest being only one of the > databases) Proquest is expensive, but many libraries subscribe to it for > their patrons to use. So my advise is get out your library card, call your > library and ask if 1. they have a subscription to proquest (heritage > quest) and 2. if you can access their databases on-line. If your local > library does not have a subscription to proquest, try the nearest College > library. Some colleges will allow you to access their subscription > databases on site, even if you are not a student. Some you must be a > student. It is worth a little sleuthing. > Peg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: senorasimcox@aol.com<mailto:senorasimcox@aol.com> > To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:40 PM > Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] People who is interested in the Cassel Book > > > Peg, > > Do you have the link to this Heritage Quest you were talking about? > > jamie > > -----Original Message----- > From: PEGGIE SHAW <PEGGIESHAW@msn.com<mailto:PEGGIESHAW@msn.com>> > To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:01:40 -0700 > Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] People who is interested in the Cassel Book > > > I accessed the book from Heritage quest...all the pages are there. If you > have a > library card, check with the library as a lot of them subscribe to > Heritage > quest and have it available to their patrons. > Peg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > senorasimcox@aol.com<mailto:senorasimcox@aol.com<mailto:senorasimcox@aol.com<mailto:senorasimcox@aol.com>> > To: > PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:44 AM > Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] People who is interested in the Cassel Book > > > Hello, > > The Cassel Book is on Ancestry.com.....you have to be a subscriber of > the > Local and Family Histories database, in order to see the entire book. I > do > stress there might be some pages missing, I have printed out a couple of > other > books, and pages were missing. > > jamie > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Praise publicly, complain privately > > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > List topic Montgromery County PA this means anything genealogy related > ex.surnames, locations, history. > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > List topic Montgromery County PA this means anything genealogy related > ex.surnames, locations, history. > > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > No political statements to this list. > No religious statements. > You will be banned from list. > >

Peg, Do you have the link to this Heritage Quest you were talking about? jamie -----Original Message----- From: PEGGIE SHAW <PEGGIESHAW@msn.com> To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:01:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] People who is interested in the Cassel Book I accessed the book from Heritage quest...all the pages are there. If you have a library card, check with the library as a lot of them subscribe to Heritage quest and have it available to their patrons. Peg ----- Original Message ----- From: senorasimcox@aol.com<mailto:senorasimcox@aol.com> To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:44 AM Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] People who is interested in the Cassel Book Hello, The Cassel Book is on Ancestry.com.....you have to be a subscriber of the Local and Family Histories database, in order to see the entire book. I do stress there might be some pages missing, I have printed out a couple of other books, and pages were missing. jamie ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== Praise publicly, complain privately ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== List topic Montgromery County PA this means anything genealogy related ex.surnames, locations, history.

OK I will try to clear up some confusion. You can not access Heritage quest without a subscription to Proquest, which is like a search engine, consisting of many databases (heritage quest being only one of the databases) Proquest is expensive, but many libraries subscribe to it for their patrons to use. So my advise is get out your library card, call your library and ask if 1. they have a subscription to proquest (heritage quest) and 2. if you can access their databases on-line. If your local library does not have a subscription to proquest, try the nearest College library. Some colleges will allow you to access their subscription databases on site, even if you are not a student. Some you must be a student. It is worth a little sleuthing. Peg ----- Original Message ----- From: senorasimcox@aol.com<mailto:senorasimcox@aol.com> To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] People who is interested in the Cassel Book Peg, Do you have the link to this Heritage Quest you were talking about? jamie -----Original Message----- From: PEGGIE SHAW <PEGGIESHAW@msn.com<mailto:PEGGIESHAW@msn.com>> To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, 12 May 2005 10:01:40 -0700 Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] People who is interested in the Cassel Book I accessed the book from Heritage quest...all the pages are there. If you have a library card, check with the library as a lot of them subscribe to Heritage quest and have it available to their patrons. Peg ----- Original Message ----- From: senorasimcox@aol.com<mailto:senorasimcox@aol.com<mailto:senorasimcox@aol.com<mailto:senorasimcox@aol.com>> To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:44 AM Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] People who is interested in the Cassel Book Hello, The Cassel Book is on Ancestry.com.....you have to be a subscriber of the Local and Family Histories database, in order to see the entire book. I do stress there might be some pages missing, I have printed out a couple of other books, and pages were missing. jamie ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== Praise publicly, complain privately ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== List topic Montgromery County PA this means anything genealogy related ex.surnames, locations, history. ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== List topic Montgromery County PA this means anything genealogy related ex.surnames, locations, history.

Hello, The Cassel Book is on Ancestry.com.....you have to be a subscriber of the Local and Family Histories database, in order to see the entire book. I do stress there might be some pages missing, I have printed out a couple of other books, and pages were missing. jamie

Peg, My cup runneth over! Thanks very much! Diane in CO In a message dated 5/12/2005 10:01:58 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, PEGGIESHAW@msn.com writes: Diane in reading through the book I came across Elizabeth Cassel no birth dtae dau. of a Johannes Cassel b.1639 Kriesheim came to Phila. aboard the "Jefries" in Nov 1686 with wife Mary, settled in Germantown(presumed by the author to be son of Yellis) They also in addition to Elizabeth had, Arnold b. 1670, Daniel, Nicholaus, Veronica, Susanna. No spouses for Peter or Elizabeth and Susanna. Arnold Cassel from above married Susanna de la Plaine in 1693, they had a dau. Elizabeth too, but no date of birth for her or name of spouse. Do not know if this has anything to do with the Elizabeth you are looking for, but thought I would pass it along anyway. The dates fit your Elizabeth. There are some very interesting family stories in this book, but I do not know how reliable it is. Peg

Great to hear that! Now to find the book. Thanks so much. Diane in CO In a message dated 5/12/2005 9:45:46 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, Sndtenterprises@aol.com writes: The book seems to be accurate and Daniel Kolb Cassell had good reputation. And, yes, it is the same Cassell family that includes Elizabeth who married Johannes Kusters (Custer).

Thanks anyway, Peg. Even eliminating helps! Diane in CO In a message dated 5/12/2005 9:14:23 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, PEGGIESHAW@msn.com writes: Diane: lots of Elizabeth's, none born not quite that early and none that married a Johannes Custer from what I see in the indexes. Peg

The book seems to be accurate and Daniel Kolb Cassell had good reputation. And, yes, it is the same Cassell family that includes Elizabeth who married Johannes Kusters (Custer). In a message dated 5/12/2005 10:52:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Adamsgen@aol.com writes: If this is the same Cassell family that includes an Elizabeth Cassell ( b. abt 1676) who was married to Johannes Custers I would be interested also. Thanks. Diane in CO In a message dated 5/12/2005 7:59:15 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, PEGGIESHAW@msn.com writes: Hello! I came across this book, "A Genealogical History of the Cassel Family in America: Being descendents of Julius or Yelles Cassel of Kriesheim, Baden, Germany" Daniel Kolb Cassel, Norristown, PA: Morgan R. Wills, 1896. Is anyone on this list familiar with this book? I would like to know how accurate it is.

Thank you, Michel, you've answered the question I asked of Glenn Landis. A family Bible is pretty good documention as far as I'm concerned. I think the Custer surname came from the book "Kolb, Kulp and Culp Family" by Daniel Kolb Cassel, 1895, in which he listed her maiden name as Krister, so some people assumed it was Kuster/Custer. However, I don't know where the idea came from that she was a daughter of Conrad Custer. I notice that Dirck & Alitje/Alice (Nyce) Keyser had a daughter named Hannah born in the right timeframe...I've also seen Susanna (Custer) Kolb's name as Hannah. Another possibility for her parents is Andrew & Hannah (Lukens) Keyser, though that is based on nothing but their being married about a year before Susanna's birth. Anyway, thank you again, Michel, for the report on Joel Alderfer's findings. Thera ----- Original Message ----- From: Michel Metford-Platt <metfordplatt@telkomsa.net> To: <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Jacob Kolb of Limerick, d. 1827 > Yes, I agree. The will extract was sitting in my file from years ago. > Someone wrote me but said that Jacob was married to Mary Cressman, and I was > of not much use to her. She wrote: > > "I guess there was some bad blood between him and his only son?? Anyway, > it appears that this Jacob -dec'd was married to a Mary CREFSMAN (sic). > There > were some guardianship papers later, which her brother handled for this > Jacob's, deceased, children: Catherine, Hannah, Margaret, Dilman, and > Susanna." > > Unfortunately I can't seem to reach the person who wrote me. But I'm > grateful for the correction. > > With my 5 year gap not having internet, there's been quite an improvement in > resources, but a lot of people have changed their addresses. At least this > is now sorted out in my file. > > By the way, when I was at MHEP, Joel Alderfer told me that the mother of > said Jacob was not Susannah (Custer) Kuster, but Keyser. He showed me a copy > of the bible it came from, it was written in the feminine "Keißerin". Joel > had this printed in one of the MHEP newsletters a few years back, which I do > not have, but I do have a big note in my files to that effect. I don't have > her parents yet, but I haven't looked too hard there. So many people to look > up, so little time!!! > > Michel > > ______________________________

Diane, You can order the book from the Mennonite Heritage Center in Harleysville, PA. Website: www.mhep.org e-mail: info@mhep.org phone: 215-256-3020 fax: 215-256-3023 Several years ago they had it listed for $34.00, item # SEP0652 (reprint done in 1989 of the 1896 book.) Don't know if that info is still accurate. Thera ----- Original Message ----- From: <Adamsgen@aol.com> To: <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] re: Cassel family book by Daniel Kolb Cassel 1896 > > Great to hear that! Now to find the book. Thanks so much. > Diane in CO > > In a message dated 5/12/2005 9:45:46 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, > Sndtenterprises@aol.com writes: > > > The book seems to be accurate and Daniel Kolb Cassell had good reputation. > And, yes, it is the same Cassell family that includes Elizabeth who married > Johannes Kusters (Custer). > > ______________________________