To whom it may concern: Please discontinue my subscription to your daily updates. They are good, but I am not getting them read. I may resubscribe some time later. Thanks. Richard Moyer ----- Original Message ----- From: <PAMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <PAMONTGO-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 9:25 AM Subject: PAMONTGO-D Digest V99 #286

THE UPPER DUBLIN STORY by Suzanne HILTON. I highly recommend you buy this book if you had folks in this area early to 1850 or so. The "earliest Upper Dubliners" were Wm. & Geo. HARMER, SCULL, BURK, COMLY, MARLE, SOULE, COATES, WYNNE, CLEAVER, ENGART, TANNER, PHILIPS, POTTS, PATRICK, PERRIN, SALAWAY, FITZWATER, MORRIS, HANKS, FARMER, BRADFORD, EVANS, CLARIDGE, KIRK, HOOD, JOHNSON, LODGE, HILLIARD, SMEDLEY, CUNARD, STANLEY, ISSACS, FAIRMAN, HEATON, CORSLEY, HOLME, CRISPIN, SYDDONS, HUBBS, ROBERTS, ELLIS, LEWIS, HEATON, HOOTEN, FAIRMAN, WHITTONS, SPENCER, CHARLESWORTH, KIRK, HOOD. If you ask me for particulars, I may not answer right now. I'm inundated with documentation to post and input, too many emails, and another life. You can purchase the book for $5.00 through the Upper Dublin Library. I found it to be awesome for my research. Gerre Engard Byrd

Someone just emailed the Philly-Roots list with this surname. I read the email, but had never picked up a YARNALL, so I "deleted". I then picked up an 1877 map of Montgomery Co. on which is listed "Engardtown Road". All those tiny surnames and the first one I saw was YARNALL (and that is the way it is spelled). She appears to be living right behind where Philip ENGARD had been living from 1755 until all the land passed out of the ENGARD hands. Mary YARNALL is right next door to John HULL who is next door to Chas. T. AIMAN who is next door to C. VAN WINKLE. On the other side of YARNELL is McAFEE & DAVIS, the latter being at the corner (one must be in the ENGARD home) at the corner of Susquehanna and Engardtown Road. The latter is presently Fort Washington Road/Avenue/Street. Gerre Engard Byrd

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Hi everyone! Man I haven't been online in a long time these days :) I found where my 4th great grandfather is, but I was wondering if someone could do me a favor? I'm trying to find out who all was buried with this surname of FIERING/FEIRING/FIRING in Fernwood Cemetery Royersford, P.A. Also, I need a newspaper article from the Royersford Public Library. Can anyone help me? OH I WANTED TO TELL YOU ALL ABOUT SOMETHING TOO I am giving away free homepages and homepage space on my website. The url to get it is at http://genweb.virtualave.net/papages.html it is only for people in the state of Pennsylvania. I even included an online homepage maker if it is necessary for those that don't have an html editor or know any html. Well, I better get going. I just wanted to know if anyone can help me. Thanks. ivana *************************************************************** MAKE MONEY ONLINE NOW JUST BY SURFING THE WEB! http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=BNU976 GenWeb Search Engine - Where are your roots? http://genweb.virtualave.net Cyber Friends - Over 66 Chats, 25 Message Boards! The only way to make friends online! http://www.singleparentfriends.com or http://join.at/cyberfriends

Are there any TRIBBLE descendants on this list? Please contact me if you have ancestors who were in and around Phila. 1700's, early 1800's. The "TRIBBLE" in my Peter Tribble ENGARD is supposedly a "family name". He was born 1821 in Germantown (Germantown per family records). His mother was a REDHEFER and her mother a RITTENHOUSE. But I don't know his paternal grandmother's surname. Perhaps it was TRIBBLE. Does anyone have a female TRIBBLE who married Philip ENGARD abt 1760 give or take 5 years? Gerre Engard Byrd

Gerre After reading your last a-mail, I thought It was time to contact you even though it is a long-shot!!! My Michael Lutz (b.1685/89 Stuttgard, Wurttemberg, Germany) of Northampton Co, PA was m. to Anna Margaret Ingland (d.1794) d/o George Ulrich Ingland/England/Engard/Englard/Engler. They would have m. before coming to this country. Have you even come upon them or could this be a starting place for you to look for your family? Thanks. Gloria C. Hartzell -----Original Message----- From: Ggengard@aol.com <Ggengard@aol.com> To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 11:14 AM Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] NICHOLAUS ENGART (ENGARD) & CONRAD EMICH >Within the estate papers for Conrad EMICH that I brought home from Montgomery >Co. last week, was a document stating, "The petition of Nicholaus ENGART one >of the children of Barbara ENGART sister and devisee under the Will of Conrad >EMICH late of said county...". > >Conrad's Will lists dec'd brother, Henry; brother, Nicholaus; sisters, >Elizabeth & Barbara. The latter three were residing near Bosdorf/Rosdorf >(Germany?). (1827) > >I have the following documentation for a Nicholaus: > >Burial - Upper Dublin Lutheran or Old Puffs > reads: John N. ENGARD 1772-1861 > >Buried in same cemetery is Conrad EMICH and ADAM RODEMICH. > >Census records coordinate with tombstone dates. However, census records for >1850 and 1860 also state Nicholaus was born in Germany. > >Some of his children are in the "Poor School". He names one son, Philip. > >I have copy of Will in file of Philip ENGARD (proved 1813), naming 9 children >including Nicholaus, with estate being divided nine ways which implies that >Nicholaus is a son of Philip. > >I have a marriage record for Nicholaus and Caty FABRITZ in 1796 - St. >Michael's Zion Church, Phila. > >By 1850, he is married to Margaret/Eva Margaret -------. > >And per the dates I have accumulated for Philip's kids, Nicholaus was the >last one born just 10 1/2 months after the one before him. I know that is >possible but doesn't fit the normal pattern. > >Any ideas? Has anyone encountered an uncle in America taking in a nephew as >their child when child's parents are still in Germany? > >Gerre Engard Byrd > > >==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== >Support Rootsweb with a donation it will be used to keep >this Genealogy Resource online. >http://www.rootsweb.com > >============================== >Support free genealogy on the Internet! Join RootsWeb.com today! >http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > >

I believe Royersford is in Montgomery County and would like to know if anyone can help me with the information on Joseph F. Buzby. Thanks, Lea Simitz Buzby My latest "brick wall" is Joseph F. Buzby of Royersford, Pa. who invented a glass insulator in 1890. <A HREF="http://www.insulators.com/photos/photos/1418-aqu.htm">CD 141.8 BUZBY in Ice Aqua</A> . I made a contact with a collector of insulators and he sent me a copy of the patent #427,296 dated May 6, 1890; app. filed December 31, 1889; Serial # 335,497 Witnesses. J.E. Snyder and D.R. Rhoads; Model drawing #427,296; May 6, 1890 Witnesses A. Ruppert and H.A. Daniels Attorney Thomas P. Thompson. Have you any inside patent information connections?? I can't seem to get anything. Any help you have time for will be sincerely appreciated! PS I find I am also descended from the Original 13 founders of Germantown, Pa.

John BECHER of Northern Liberties, Phila. leaves a Will #20 - 1812 - Book 4, Page 74, dated 19 Jan. 1812. Wife, Elizabeth. Children: Mary, Elizabeth, Sarah, John, William, Jacob, Joseph, Samuel, George, and Martin. Executors: Joseph SLINGLOOF? & Charles YETTER Witnesses: Thomas W. PRYOR & John "Chr" WARNER At the time of John's decease, he is carrying a mortgage for Peter ENGART. One executor and John's wife are deceased. Son, Joseph, deceased - wife, Elizabeth Son, John, absent for 15 years without being heard from - wife, Mary John and Mary had daughters: Elizabeth, Sarah, & Mary Per a petition for assigning new executor, it appears John's daughter, Elizabeth, was married to Jacob WOLF. Those signing petition were: Sarah WOLF, Jacob WOLF, Wm. BECHER, Jacob BECHER, Elizabeth STREEPER, Henry (R?) STREEPER, Sarah BECHER, Mary STROUP, Jacob J. STROUP, Mary BECHER (widow of John BECHER), ---- BECHTEL (late widow of Joseph BECHTEL), Jacob BECHTEL, George BECHER, David WHITEMAN, Margaret WHITEMAN, Samuel X BECHER 8th day of June 1838 I would like to hear from anyone who thinks they descend from any of these people (other than witnesses or executors). If a fact, then you would be an ENGARD descendant also. John BECHER's wife was Elizabeth ENGARD, daughter of the immigrant, Philip ENGARD, & his wife, Catharine Elizabeth ----------. Gerre Engard Byrd

In a message dated 10/07/1999 12:02:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hartzell@enter.net writes: << After reading your last a-mail, I thought It was time to contact you even though it is a long-shot!!! My Michael Lutz (b.1685/89 Stuttgard, Wurttemberg, Germany) of Northampton Co, PA was m. to Anna Margaret Ingland (d.1794) d/o George Ulrich Ingland/England/Engard/Englard/Engler. They would have m. before coming to this country. Have you even come upon them or could this be a starting place for you to look for your family? Thanks. >> Gloria, that LUTZ name sounds familiar. I have LUTZ in my database. Looks as though they married STEELEs and resided NC, so not of my ENGARD line directly. However, I think I picked up some ENGARD documentation that addressed LUTZ. Going by memory. Can't find right now in big stack. Gloria, are you saying that you have seen Anna Margaret's name spelled "ENGARD"? That is real important. This is most interesting. Gerre

Within the estate papers for Conrad EMICH that I brought home from Montgomery Co. last week, was a document stating, "The petition of Nicholaus ENGART one of the children of Barbara ENGART sister and devisee under the Will of Conrad EMICH late of said county...". Conrad's Will lists dec'd brother, Henry; brother, Nicholaus; sisters, Elizabeth & Barbara. The latter three were residing near Bosdorf/Rosdorf (Germany?). (1827) I have the following documentation for a Nicholaus: Burial - Upper Dublin Lutheran or Old Puffs reads: John N. ENGARD 1772-1861 Buried in same cemetery is Conrad EMICH and ADAM RODEMICH. Census records coordinate with tombstone dates. However, census records for 1850 and 1860 also state Nicholaus was born in Germany. Some of his children are in the "Poor School". He names one son, Philip. I have copy of Will in file of Philip ENGARD (proved 1813), naming 9 children including Nicholaus, with estate being divided nine ways which implies that Nicholaus is a son of Philip. I have a marriage record for Nicholaus and Caty FABRITZ in 1796 - St. Michael's Zion Church, Phila. By 1850, he is married to Margaret/Eva Margaret -------. And per the dates I have accumulated for Philip's kids, Nicholaus was the last one born just 10 1/2 months after the one before him. I know that is possible but doesn't fit the normal pattern. Any ideas? Has anyone encountered an uncle in America taking in a nephew as their child when child's parents are still in Germany? Gerre Engard Byrd

1850 - Federal Census, PA, Montgomery Co., Gwynedd Twp., p. 071B ENGART, Nicholas 78 Germany Margaret 72 Germany Moyer, Enoch 50 Eliza 40 Lewis 6 Mary J. 4 Moyer, Barbara 94 Who is "Eliza"? Is she an ENGARD? Is there a reader who descends from Nicholaus ENGARD? My genealogy has taken a strange twist in this line with regard to Nicholaus. Gerre Engard Byrd

Hello Montgomery County List One of our Adam or Adams (the s was added later) was Willoughby Adams b. 3 Mar 1847 in Berks. Migrated to Mercer County with family c. 1865. Migrated to Montgomery ? Died 2 January 1910 in Philadelphia Does anyone have a connection with him or this family? Regards, Brent Morgan Clevekand

In a message dated 10/06/1999 6:56:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, WHines4358@aol.com writes: << My PETERMAN/LUKENS connection is Esther Ann PETERMAN married to Clayton LUKENS. Esther was born in Montgomery Co. in 1773. They had at least four children, Priscilla born 1821, Alan, born 1826, Sarah born 1828 and Thomas born 1828 (twins?) These children were on a roster for community supported education in 1830-35, along with the children of Benjamin LUKENS, Ann, David and Francis. I understand local communities took on the educational expenses of some students in need before the public school system was developed. Let me know if any of this rings any bells. Thanks Bunny in La. >> Bunny, hi there. No, none of those names ring my bells. I just don't know much about LUKENS at all, since they are not one of my lines. Gerre

Hello Gerre, PETERMAN /LUKENS connection.....Esther Ann Peterman, born in Montgomery Co, in 1773, married Clayton LUKENS. They had several children. Esther was the sister of Jacob PETERMAN who married Mary Engard, parents of my gggrandfather, Benjamin Franklin PETERMAN. More info regarding LUKENS childrens names, years of birth etc., if you are interested. Keep in touch. Bunny in La.

My PETERMAN/LUKENS connection is Esther Ann PETERMAN married to Clayton LUKENS. Esther was born in Montgomery Co. in 1773. They had at least four children, Priscilla born 1821, Alan, born 1826, Sarah born 1828 and Thomas born 1828 (twins?) These children were on a roster for community supported education in 1830-35, along with the children of Benjamin LUKENS, Ann, David and Francis. I understand local communities took on the educational expenses of some students in need before the public school system was developed. Let me know if any of this rings any bells. Thanks Bunny in La.

"William FRATT late of Lower Merion Twp. (in Montgomery Co.) died intestate, on or about the 3rd day of May 1867, leaving surviving him a widow, Mary Ann FRATT, and issue as follows: Sarah Elizabeth FRATT of full age; Henry C. FRATT of full age; James FRATT age 19 years; Catharine Rebecca FRATT age 17 years; Adeline Gilbert FRATT age 15 years; Mary FRATT age 5 years; and Laura FRATT age 2 years. Joseph DAVIS is the guardian of all the minor children..." This William FRATT had messuage and land in Whitemarsh Twp. bounded by land of Nicholaus RAPINE and Edward RICE?, situated on the north side of the Ridge Turnpike Road opposite William GILINGER'S Pottery. Samuel RHOADES, William FREAS, & Charles STALEY are named as being "independent, competent, and prudent". Charles N. HOUPT signs for J. F. QUILLMAN, Clerk OC. It is believed by this researcher, that above William FRATT is the son of William FRATT (Sr.) and his wife, .......... ENGARD. I would very much like to discover the first name of the wife. I would also like to know if there are any descendants reading this. Any assistance would be appreciated. Gerre Engard Byrd

Peter Engard, Samuel Cowden, & John Whitcomb were charged with assault and battery "did beat, wound, & ill treat" William GEORGE in 1845. The three were found guilty. Gerre Engard Byrd

I have Lukens from that time period but none that married Peterman. I have Cadwallader marriages and others and quite a few blanks to fill. Can you send your Lukens file to me at my e mail address, please; or if you'd like I can send you an attachment file that you can open in your word processor? thanks, Lea Simitz Buzby

In a message dated 10/06/1999 2:21:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, WHines4358@aol.com writes: << I have a relative, PETERMAN, who married a LUKENS in t >> I believe I know you. Just can't think of your first name right now. Your Peterman married one of my ENGARDS. I don't have a Peterman-Lukens connection and don't know who this Joseph Lukens belongs to. Gerre Engard Byrd