Thank you for your reply and information, Gerre, 'preciate it. Lea

In a message dated 10/11/1999 7:25:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LEABUZBY@aol.com writes: << Were the Reeds or Engards related to the lines of Cadwallader, Cassel, Kunders, Shoemaker, Lukens, Bond, etc. or other of the founding families of the Original 13 who founded Germantown, Pa.? That is my line. Thanks, Lea >> Lea, very indirectly. However, I'm missing some early surnames for wives. If the immigrant's wife was a CLEAVER, then looks like I would connect to SHOEMAKERS. But I've found nothing to support that idea. The ENGARDS married REDHEIFFERS who in turn married RITTENHOUSE who in turn married CASSELS (I believe). The LUKENS were living, playing around the ENGARDS as Joseph LUKENS got a Mary ENGARD pregnant and he was charged with bastardy. I am not accusing the LUKENS, just abstracting a court document. For all we know, Mary messed with him. I haven't identified that Mary. Nor do I know if the male child lived and what surname he went by. Thanks for inquiring, Lea. Gerre

Were the Reeds or Engards related to the lines of Cadwallader, Cassel, Kunders, Shoemaker, Lukens, Bond, etc. or other of the founding families of the Original 13 who founded Germantown, Pa.? That is my line. Thanks, Lea Simitz Buzby <A HREF="http://original13.listbot.com/">Original 13/Germantown</ A>

In a message dated 10/11/1999 1:09:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Lani MacA writes: << There is (or at least was, 20 years ago when I lived in that neighborhood) a very small, old cemetery purportedly to have belonged to the FITZWATER family on Twining Rd. at the corner of Pebblewood Drive (a few small roads south of Susquehanna Ave.) in Upper Dublin Twp., Montgomery Co., PA. It's just west of Fitzwatertown Rd. Unfortunately some of the headstones were knocked down or stolen, but some still remain. Lani >> That's it, Lani. I recall "Twining". I will post this on Philly & Mont. Co. mailing lists. Thanks for your help. Gerre Engard Byrd

Susan, YESTERDAY'S PEOPLE has several pages regarding Jacob FITZWATER. I know there is a small cemetery (somewhere?) in Montgomery Co. that holds FITZWATERS. We were never able to find it, but one of the girls at the Upper Dublin Library knows the location. LIPPENCOTTS are all over NJ - or so it seemed to us when we were there. Hope this helps. Gerre Engard Byrd In a message dated 10/11/1999 8:08:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SWHYNES@aol.com writes: << WHARTON and Carpenters, Fitzwater, Lloyd, Redwood, Fishbourne, Shoemaker, Donnel Griffitts, Robeson, Emlen, Irwin, Grant, Hollingsworth, Fox, Fisher, Gilpin, Markoes, Cox/Coxe, Lippincott, Wright, Morris, Sinkler, Pepper >>

Is there any search capability for a person's name that covers all PA cemeteries, you know, tells you which Cemetery the deceased is resting in. Or is there one for Counties, such as Clarion and Montgomery. Stan in Seattle

This is the only one I have <A HREF="http://www.onelist.com/community/cemeteriesusa">Cemetaries Information</ A> . Good Luck, Lea

Could you please send the address or how to purchase the book from the Upper Dublin Library? Thanks! Kathy

Gere I don't know if the PA Hist. Soc. owns a copy or not. It is 529 pp & was done by Dr. W. H. Reed. Back in the 1970's I bought it from a book co. It is an original - not a reprint - & was published in 1929 by the Norristown Press. I probably 1st saw the book at the Schwenkfelder Lib. Gloria -----Original Message----- From: Ggengard@aol.com <Ggengard@aol.com> To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, October 10, 1999 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] HAUPT, REDHEFER, LOUER, READ/REED, PARKER, ENGARD >In a message dated 10/10/1999 4:07:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >hartzell@enter.net writes: > ><< I own a copy of the History & Genea. of the Reed Family. Philip Reed (d. > 1819) had a dau, Magdalena, who was m. to Jacob Engard (1771-1823), a farmer > in Upper Dublin Twp. I hope this answers your question. >> > >Yes, thank you, Gloria. I have that excerpt. Do you have the large history >book of the family as found in the PA Historical Society? > >Gerre > > >==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== >Support Rootsweb with a donation it will be used to keep >this Genealogy Resource online. >http://www.rootsweb.com > >============================== >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! > >

Gerre I own a copy of the History & Genea. of the Reed Family. Philip Reed (d. 1819) had a dau, Magdalena, who was m. to Jacob Engard (1771-1823), a farmer in Upper Dublin Twp. I hope this answers your question. Gloria -----Original Message----- From: Ggengard@aol.com <Ggengard@aol.com> To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, October 10, 1999 11:04 AM Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] HAUPT, REDHEFER, LOUER, READ/REED, PARKER, ENGARD >1801 - August Session, Montgomery Co. - Jacob HAUPT is witness to a document >whereby Charles REDHEFFER is charge with beating, wounding, and ill treating >Jacob ENGARD. Other witnesses: Jacob Engard, Philip READ, Samuel PARKER, >Susanna ENGARD, Mary ENGARD. However, another document, same date, charges >that Jacob ENGARD did beat, wound, & ill treat Charles REDHEFFER. Witnesses: >Charles REDHEIFFER, Wartman/Hartman LOUER, Andrew REDHEEIFER, Samuel >REDHEIFER, Jesse REDHEIFER. > >It sounds to me like to guys got in a bad fight and no one was willing to >admit he started it. > >These REDHEIFFERs appear to be the sons of Andrew Redheiffer Jr. and brothers >to Anna Maria Redheiffer who married Peter Engard the first cousin of the >above Jacob ENGARD who was son of Jacob. > >The above mentioned Philip REED was probably the brother-in-law of Jacob who >was in the fight. > >I'm not familiar with LOUER or PARKER names. > >Gerre Engard Byrd > > >==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== >List owner ndwilson@swbell.net > >============================== >Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ >The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! > >

In a message dated 10/10/1999 5:27:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, katcay@earthlink.net writes: << Could you please send the address or how to purchase the book from the Upper Dublin Library? >> Write: Upper Dublin Public Library, 805 Loch Alsh Avenue, Ft. Washington, 19034, ph. 215.628.8744 Gerre

In a message dated 10/10/1999 4:55:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hartzell@enter.net writes: << I don't know if the PA Hist. Soc. owns a copy or not. It is 529 pp & was done by Dr. W. H. Reed. Back in the 1970's I bought it from a book co. It is an original - not a reprint - & was published in 1929 by the Norristown Press. I probably 1st saw the book at the Schwenkfelder Lib. >> Thanks, Gloria. It may be the same one I saw. Can't find my notes right now. Gerre

In a message dated 10/10/1999 4:07:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hartzell@enter.net writes: << I own a copy of the History & Genea. of the Reed Family. Philip Reed (d. 1819) had a dau, Magdalena, who was m. to Jacob Engard (1771-1823), a farmer in Upper Dublin Twp. I hope this answers your question. >> Yes, thank you, Gloria. I have that excerpt. Do you have the large history book of the family as found in the PA Historical Society? Gerre

My Peter ENGARD/ENGART is selling three and a half acres to John Y. HENK in 1852. The land is located near the corner of Susquehanna & Ft. Washington. Gerre Engard Byrd

As hard as I try, I cannot force a family connection of AIMANs to ENGARDs. George AIMAN apparently had some money and appears to have been owed some money when he died - per an estate file in 1823 in which Arnold Aiman and George Aiman are "executors". If I am interpreting this correctly, "by cash paid", the following owed the estate (or did the estate owe them?): James H. WEBB Henry HAUPT William FRATT John KATZ Andrew WILLIAMS John KATZ (KRATZ?) Joseh EVERHART John WENTZ John PRIDEFONTEIN???? John SHOEMAKER Barbara AIMAN (George's wife?) John Y. HENK Doctor George MARTIN Frederick DETWEILER Garret CLEMMER ??? Henry DAVIS John AIMAN George DUNNET John HENK James WINNARD Bickley OSon John SCHLATER William BURK John REIFF John BARNET Jonathon SCOUT George MCCLELLAND Zacariah NEWMAN Mentioned in other part of document: George M. POTTS (POTTS were next door to Engards early on) Jesse AIMAN David BLYLER Parson BAKER Gerre Engard Byrd

Frederick FABRICIUS has died and Margaret, his wife and relict, ..... 24 November 1824. Mentioned are John LOUER, Johannes GREENWALT, & George ETRIS. I am particularly interested in the FAVERITS/FABRICIUS/FABRITZ/etc. lines as I have several who intermarried with ENGARDS. Can anyone help? Gerre Engard Byrd

1801 - August Session, Montgomery Co. - Jacob HAUPT is witness to a document whereby Charles REDHEFFER is charge with beating, wounding, and ill treating Jacob ENGARD. Other witnesses: Jacob Engard, Philip READ, Samuel PARKER, Susanna ENGARD, Mary ENGARD. However, another document, same date, charges that Jacob ENGARD did beat, wound, & ill treat Charles REDHEFFER. Witnesses: Charles REDHEIFFER, Wartman/Hartman LOUER, Andrew REDHEEIFER, Samuel REDHEIFER, Jesse REDHEIFER. It sounds to me like to guys got in a bad fight and no one was willing to admit he started it. These REDHEIFFERs appear to be the sons of Andrew Redheiffer Jr. and brothers to Anna Maria Redheiffer who married Peter Engard the first cousin of the above Jacob ENGARD who was son of Jacob. The above mentioned Philip REED was probably the brother-in-law of Jacob who was in the fight. I'm not familiar with LOUER or PARKER names. Gerre Engard Byrd

In a message dated 10/10/1999 9:22:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RKRNaples@aol.com writes: << Is there a name or initial with the DAVIS surname?? >> Yes, Edie. "G" Davis. Gerre

In a message dated 10/10/1999 7:22:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, PAMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << On the other side of YARNELL is McAFEE & DAVIS, the latter being at the corner (one must be in the ENGARD home) at the corner of Susquehanna and Engardtown Road. The latter is presently Fort Washington Road/Avenue/Street. Gerre Engard Byrd >> Gerre, Is there a name or initial with the DAVIS surname?? Thanks, Edie

Hello Gerre, I'll do the particulars for you: "Yesterday's People, The Upper Dublin Story" by Suzanne Hilton. It can be purchased at the Upper Dublin Public Library for $5 or send $6 to them at: 805 Loch Alsh Ave., Fort Washington, Pa; 19034. ...and they'll mail it to you. Phone #215-628-8744.; (This is the umpteenth time I've posted notice of this booklet; hope the library doesn't mind the extra publicity, but it is a very useful little book). Ggengard@aol.com wrote: > > THE UPPER DUBLIN STORY by Suzanne HILTON. > > I highly recommend you buy this book if you had folks in this area early to > 1850 or so. > > The "earliest Upper Dubliners" were Wm. & Geo. HARMER, SCULL, BURK, COMLY, > MARLE, SOULE, COATES, WYNNE, CLEAVER, ENGART, TANNER, PHILIPS, POTTS, > PATRICK, PERRIN, SALAWAY, FITZWATER, MORRIS, HANKS, FARMER, BRADFORD, EVANS, > CLARIDGE, KIRK, HOOD, JOHNSON, LODGE, HILLIARD, SMEDLEY, CUNARD, STANLEY, > ISSACS, FAIRMAN, HEATON, CORSLEY, HOLME, CRISPIN, SYDDONS, HUBBS, ROBERTS, > ELLIS, LEWIS, HEATON, HOOTEN, FAIRMAN, WHITTONS, SPENCER, CHARLESWORTH, KIRK, > HOOD. > > If you ask me for particulars, I may not answer right now. I'm inundated > with documentation to post and input, too many emails, and another life. > > You can purchase the book for $5.00 through the Upper Dublin Library. I > found it to be awesome for my research. > > Gerre Engard Byrd > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode then e-mail PAMONTGO-L-request@rootsweb.com or PAMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in message. > > ============================== > Caught an error in the Social Security Death Index? > Use RootsWeb's POST-EMS to post a note about it! > http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/