There was much cross-over between Baptist and Quaker - usually Quaker to Baptist. They come from the same Anabaptist roots and were not exceptionally different in the old days.

Edie, According to Futhey and Cope's 1881 History of Chester County, the Welsh started a Baptist settlement in 1701 and 1702 called Great Valley. Its association was with Philadelphia. James Davis (who was a Baptist in Rydwilim, in Carmarthenshire in Wales) and Richard Miles starting meeting with their 2 families and it continued to grow until they built a meeting house in 1722 in Tredyffrin in Chester Co. 92 families belonged to the church, surnames were Davis, Jones, Williams, Thomas, Nicholas, Goerge, Powell, Cornog, Griffeths, Edwards, Morgan, Jones, Adams, Grono, Morris, Gordon, Jenkins, Lewis, Philips, John, Wells, Evans, Walters, Pugh, Stevens, Mather, Roberts, James, Lloyd, Martin, Vaughn, Smith, Bartholomew. There was a Thomas Davis, as well as a Rev. Thomas Davis included in these families. In the notes of Brandywine Baptist meeting start up there is also a reference to Jos. Eaton coming from the Welsh-tract (New Castle, Del) on June 14, 1715 to help organize the church. If you need any of the first names of the above 92 families, send me a separate email and I'll be glad to pass them on. Wendy > > If you see the birth of a Thomas to a Davis family in a Welsh community, I > would love to follow the thread! > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > List owner ndwilson@swbell.net > > ============================== > RootsWeb.com now offers UNLIMITED Web space for FREE! > Sign up today for RootsWeb's Freepages program: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi >

I am looking for information on the family of Alexander Major of Gwynedd Township, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. He was born at Gwynedd c. 1721. I do not know the names of his parents. He married Jane ---- in 1747. She was born in 1730. I do not know her maiden name or the names of her parents. Alexander and Jane had ten known children, listed below. Alexander died 4 November 1791 at Abington, Montgomery County. Jane died 3 February 1794. Both are buried at the Old Abington Presbyterian Church. Children of Alexander Major and Jane ----: 1) Mary Major: Date of birth not known, but generally assumed to be the eldest child. Married 7 May 1777 to John Barnie. Mary died after 31 January 1794. No known children. 2) Peacock Major: b. 10 May 1748, Philadelphia County. Married 1) on 19 December 1778 to Amy Barton (9 July 1758 - 26 March 1792); 2) on 19 December 1794 to Martha Culbertson (25 May 1766 - May 1841). Settled in Mifflin County, Pennsylvania. Peacock died 19 December 1829. Buried at Old Lewiston Cemetery, Mifflin County. Six children by first marriage: Ann (28 June 1779 - 11 August 1856); Joseph (b. 8 October 1780); Hugh (b. 24 April 1784); Jean (b. 29 September 1785); Levi (b. 25 December 1786) and Benjamin (14 April 1788 - 5 April 1847). There may have been a seventh child who was stillborn. Four children by second marriage: Samuel (26 October 1798 - before 1829); John (6 April 1800 - 18 February 1879); Amelia (17 September 1802 - 9 August 1880) and David (25 September 1805 - before 29 June 1860). 3) Margaret Major: Probably b.c. 1751, Philadelphia County. Married on 5 November 1776 to Alexander McDowel (b. 1751). Margaret died after 31 January 1794. No known children. 4) Alexander Major: b. before 27 July 1760, Philadelphia County. On the Philadelphia militia rolls of 1786 and 1787. Probably died before 1791. No further information. 5) Hannah Major: b. before 27 July 1760, Philadelphia County. Died after 31 January 1794. No further information. 6) James Major: b. 1761, Philadelphia County. Married 1) c. 14 April 1793 to Elizabeth Kerr (1773 - 1807); 2) in 1808 to Fanny Kerr (1783 - 13 February 1866). James was on the militia rolls between 1781 and 1786. He settled in Middlesex County, New Jersey. James died 9 October 1837. Buried at Baptist Church Cemetery in Princeton, New Jersey. Seven children by first marriage: John (5 February 1793 - 1839); Samuel; Hugh (14 February 1796 - 1834); Miriam (b. 6 December 1798); Mary (b. 9 February 1802); Elizabeth (12 August 1804 - 14 September 1809) and James (1 November 1806 - 11 May 1839). Six children by second marriage: William (29 January 1809 - 6 November 1879); Elizabeth (30 March 1811 - 6 November 1896); Lewis (April 1813 - 1880); Ann (April 1817 - 12 May 1837); Hiram (b. 20 June 1820) and Charles Bertolet (1 April 1826 - 1906). 7) Jane Major: b. before 3 November 1765, Philadelphia County. Married 25 August 1791 to Samuel White. Jane died after 31 January 1794. No known children. 8) Ebenezer Major: b.c. 1767, Philadelphia County. Married 12 April 1789 to Mary Shirley (c. 1771 - after 1826). Ebenezer moved to Washington County, Pennsylvania where he died c. 21 June 1826. Four known children: William (b. before 21 March 1790); Hannah (1 August 1794 - 18 July 1867); unnamed child, probably female, (b.c. 1795); and John (26 December 1798 - 20 February 1859). 9) John Major: b.c. 1769, Philadelphia County. Married c. 1789 to Alice Jones (1764 - 4 September 1847). Listed on the Montgomery County militia rolls of 1785 and 1786. John died 16 August 1836. Buried at Old Abington Presbyterian Church. Six known children: Alexander (20 March 1790 - 14 August 1843); James (c. 1799 - 29 September 1878); Hannah (c. 1808 - 28 July 1889); Hugh; John and Mary N. 10) Elizabeth Major: b. before 28 July 1772, Philadelphia County. d. after 31 January 1794. No further information. I am descended by way of Ebenezer Major and his daughter Hannah. I would appreciate hearing from anyone who might be able to add to any of the other lines of this family. Larry Dickerson

Edie, I wonder if the surnames could be listed for the Welsh Baptists? I certainly have plenty of Welsh in this county, but I thought they were Quakers. I do have some Welsh REESE, as RHYS (REES) was mentioned in connection w/ this church. Thanks, Sue Welsh in MontCo: JONES (possibly also known as CADWALLADER, EVANS and OWENS) REESE, VAUGHAN, RAYNER?, TRIECH????

If you have any of these people in your line, please contact me. Descendants of Benjamin Grow 1 Benjamin Grow 1813 - . +Susanna 1816 - ........ 2 Reuban Grow 1854 - ............ +Mary 1856 - ................... 3 James Albert Grow 1891 - 1941 ....................... +Gertrude E. Snyder 1896 - 1983 .............................. 4 Paul Henry Grow 1924 - 1997 .................................. +Margaret Evelyn Patricia Frankenfield 1934 - 1989 ......................................... 5 Ivana Jane Erney 1972 - .................................................... 6 Anthony Oneal Erney 1988 - ......................................... 5 Janell Jacqueline Erney 1968 - .................................................... 6 Joseph Uriah Erney .................................................... 6 Ariel Marie Delgado .................................................... 6 Orlando Cabon .................................................... 6 Emily Elizabeth Erney ......................................... 5 Paulette Jayne Erney 1966 - ............................................. +Michael Forment .................................................... 6 Stephen Michael Forment 1987 - .................................................... 6 Amanda Margaret Forment 1990 - .................................................... 6 Nicholas Forment 1991 - .............................. *1st Wife of Paul Henry Grow: .................................. +Joyce O. Yeakel 1922 - ......................................... 5 Robert Grow ......................................... 5 Paul Grow .............................. 4 Ruth Grow .................................. +George White ......................................... 5 George White ......................................... 5 Albert White ......................................... 5 Sherry White ......................................... 5 Patricia White .............................. 4 Albert Grow .................................. +Patricia Boyer ......................................... 5 Dennis Grow 1951 - .............................. 4 Margaret Rebecca Grow 1927 - .................................. +Thomas Yocum ......................................... 5 Thomas Yocum ......................................... 5 Timothy Yocum ......................................... 5 Lonney Yocum ......................................... 5 Margery Ann Yocum .............................. 4 Harold Grow 1923 - 1990 ......................................... 5 Nancy Grow ............................................. +? Music .................................................... 6 Brenda Music .................................................... 6 Balinda Music .............................. 4 James Albert Grow 1921 - 1987 .................................. +Arlene B Sharrer 1925 - ......................................... 5 David Grow ......................................... 5 James A Grow IV .............................. *2nd Wife of James Albert Grow: .................................. +Marcella Troxell ......................................... 5 Joanne Grow ......................................... 5 Barry Grow ......................................... 5 Lugene Grow .............................. 4 Raymond Grow 1919 - 1977 .................................. +Elsie ......................................... 5 Marion Grow ......................................... 5 Linda Grow ......................................... 5 Randal Grow ......................................... 5 Dale Grow .............................. 4 Ester Grow 1928 - .................................. +Roy Goggler 1926 - 1998 ......................................... 5 Larry Goggler 1948 - ......................................... 5 Susan Goggler 1950 - ......................................... 5 Bert Goggler 1955 - ......................................... 5 Charlene Goggler 1960 - ......................................... 5 Jeffery Goggler 1967 - ................... 3 Henry Grow 1875 - ................... 3 Robert Grow 1879 - ................... 3 Hattie Grow 1881 - ................... 3 Thomas Grow 1883 - 1963 ................... 3 George Grow 1885 - ................... 3 Lulu Grow 1888 - ................... 3 Carie Grow 1893 - ........ 2 Eliza Grow Abt 1851 - ........ 2 Nathan Grow Abt 1846 - ........ 2 Henry Grow Abt 1843 - ............ +Sally Ann Abt 1853 - ................... 3 Emma A Grow Abt 1870 - ................... 3 Elmer Grow Abt 1874 - ................... 3 John Grow Abt 1878 - ........ 2 John Grow Abt 1850 - ............ +Elizabeth Abt 1850 - ................... 3 Missouris E Grow Abt 1872 - ................... 3 Albert D Grow Abt 1874 - ................... 3 May M Grow Abt 1878 - ................... 3 Cordia Grow Abt 1876 - ........ 2 William Grow Abt 1839 - ............ +Anna Marie Martz Abt 1839 - ................... 3 Sarah J Grow 1863 - 1912 ....................... +Andrew Jackson Smith 1861 - 1914 ................... 3 Ida Grow Abt 1875 - ................... 3 Mary A Grow Abt 1866 - *************************************************************** MAKE MONEY ONLINE NOW JUST BY SURFING THE WEB! http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=BNU976 MY GEDCOM ONLINE! http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=ivana GenWeb Search Engine - Where are your roots? http://genweb.virtualave.net

One more Griffith- John Griffith, d. Feb. 28, 1858, aged 79 yrs., 3 mos, 8 d.

<< Did you note a listing for Benjamin Griffith or any of the other names I just sent over (I guess they will post to the list soon.) >> Tombstone Inscriptions at Montgomery Baptist Church: Rev. Benjamin Griffith, later minister of the Gospel at Montgomery, d. Oct. 4, 1768, aged 80. Minister of the church at Montgomery 48 years. Sarah Griffith, d Sept. 20, 1838, aged 80. Amos Griffith, d Nov.. 13, aged 78 Sarah, widow of Amos Griffith, d. Sept. 25, 1844, aged 78 Gwinifred Griffith, d. Dec. 2, 1833, aged 68 yrs., 9 mos., 12 d. Deacon Amos Griffiths, M.D., b. Jan. 3, 1771; d. Nov. 17, 1863. War of 1812 Marker Elizabeth, wife of Dr. Amos Griffiths, d. Jan. 3, 1843, aged 66 yrs, 1 mo. Elijah Griffiths, M.D., d. Jan. 9, 1844 Abel M. Griffiths, attorney at law, b. Nov. XXVI, MDCCCX; d. Sept. S, MDCCCXLVIII Abigail Griffiths, b Dec. 8 1808; d. July 15, 1879 Jowhn W. Griffiths, d. Oct. 5, 1884, aged 71 yrs., 4 mos. 5 d. Susan H., wiffe of John W. Grifiths, d. Feb 28, 1875, aged 61 yrs., 8 mos. 18 d.

In a message dated 11/06/1999 4:35:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, PAMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << If Thomas Davis was always Quaker, he would not be found in my listings of Baptists, but I will look. The Eatons first came to Philadelphia and lived at Pennepek, predominantly Welsh Baptist Settlement, I believe. >> Cathey, Where is 'Welsh Baptist Settlement'??--where this church is? I have no info that my Davis family was ever Quaker. In fact I have no information prior to land purchase in Hatfield, Montgomery Co in 1720s-1740s. I do know they were Baptists then, and have always heard the family was Welsh. But with common name like Davis, it's hard to know where to start. If you see the birth of a Thomas to a Davis family in a Welsh community, I would love to follow the thread! I'm watching the Quaker list, but have no reason to think they are Quaker. Now that you mention you found your Baptists among Quakers....I'll have to think again. I'll put Griffith tombstones in a separate e-mail. Edie

I have a Mansfield Griffith, b. 7 Nov 1845, mar 25 Dec 1872 to Charlotte Strawn, b. 14 Sep 1850 at Applebachsville, Bucks Co., Pa. d. 19 Mar 1914. Both bur at Riverside Cemetery, Norristown, Montgomery Co., Pa. Mansfield Griffith was the son of Peter Griffith. and Ann Heebner. Charlotte Strawn was the dau of Isaac Raudenbush Strawn and Sarah Heller, dau of Abraham Heller. Mary Heller Deaves in Florida. SusanVan@aol.com wrote: > How very interesting about the Welsh Baptists. We have a Griffith in our > line. His name was Rush Griffith. We feel he was named after a popular Dr. in > the area. Anybody have any Griffith's? > Sue > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Support Rootsweb with a donation it will be used to keep > this Genealogy Resource online. > http://www.rootsweb.com > > ============================== > FREE UNLIMITED Web space at RootsWeb! > Any subject: genealogy, computers, pets! Get your Freepages account today: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Thanks to everyone who answered me concerning the location of Montgomery Baptist Church (Gwynedd Meeting). The dates and the name of the Pastor matched and I am sure you have helped me to solve this mystery. Again Thanks for taking the time to help. Cathey

Hello June, Alan, and Others,: In the message below you asked about a Keely Church. There was a Keely Church in Schwenksville, Pa. And a Rev. Huber preached there in the late l800's. In fact the land for the Keely Church was donated by my Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, Great Grandfather, Valentine Keely. He donated land for a school and cemetery. The school was also used as a church back in the l700's. The Schwenkfelder Library in Pennsburg, Pa. has a wealth of information about the school, cemetery and church. The Heidelberg United Church of Christ of Schwenksville, Pa. was originally The High German Reformed Congregation of Skippack Township commonly called Keely's Church. The Schwenkfelder Theological & Historical Library is located at l Seminary St., Pennsburg, Pa. l8073-l804. The phone number is 2l5-679-3l03. The web site is http://www.rpc.ox.ac.uk/rpc/sfld/s_guide.htm. Good luck in your research. June Fenstermacher Wyse -----Original Message----- From: Alan Eckert [mailto:ceckert@mgfairfax.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 1:25 PM To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] Keely's West Perkiomen Church I don't believe there is such a place as West Perkiomen in Montgomery Co. I find, however, there is a Keely located in Rockhill Twp. on the border of Bedminster Twp. in Bucks Co. and near the East Branch of the Perkiomen Creek. This location is very near what was called the Tohickon Union Church which is now called the Peace Lutheran Church in Bedminster Twp. on Old Bethlehem Rd. The phone number is 215-257-3292. Hope this helps. Alan Eckert ----- Original Message ----- From: <JuneRose56@aol.com> To: <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 10:19 AM Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] Keely's West Perkiomen Church > Could someone tell me the current name of the church that was known as the > Reformed Church, at Keely';s West Perkiomen, Montgo. Co., PA? Rev. S. M. K. > Huber was the pastor who signed a certificate November 19, 1881. I would > like to research a Mary A. Whitman who was Confirmed on this date. > > Thanks for any help. > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > List owner ndwilson@swbell.net > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode then e-mail PAMONTGO-L-request@rootsweb.com or PAMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in message.

In a message dated 11/06/1999 9:29:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, RKRNaples@aol.com writes: << Welsh Baptists in Hatfield Township >> Another , Hepzibah Baptist Church. (A Welsh Baptist Church) Chester County, Pa.

In a message dated 11/06/1999 9:45:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, SusanVan@aol.com writes: << How very interesting about the Welsh Baptists. We have a Griffith in our line. His name was Rush Griffith. We feel he was named after a popular Dr. in the area. Anybody have any Griffith's? Sue >> Hepzibah Baptist Church. (A Welsh Baptist Church) Chester County, Pa.

In a message dated 11/6/99 9:53:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, RKRNaples@aol.com writes: << did not find any Eatons on the list of Tombstone Inscriptions for Mongomery Baptist (near Colmar, Montgomery County PA). It is not surprising that you did not find Eatons. Joseph may be buried wherever this New Britain Meeting was. I know George went back to Pennepek Meeting near Philadelphia and is buried there. Did you note a listing for Benjamin Griffith or any of the other names I just sent over (I guess they will post to the list soon.) Edie, again writes: I am interested in what you may have concerning your Eaton's pattern. I have not found where my Welsh Quaker Davis family were before coming to Hatfield perhaps as early as 1720. Do you have any references to Thomas DAVIS in Pennepek Mtg, or Newark?? Edie >> If Thomas Davis was always Quaker, he would not be found in my listings of Baptists, but I will look. The Eatons first came to Philadelphia and lived at Pennepek, predominantly Welsh Baptist Settlement, I believe. You might try looking for Thomas nearer to Philadelphia to start. My Eatons did have one brother, Edward, who was Quaker. He attended Oxford Meeting and married a woman, Sarah Shoemaker, from Abingdon Meeting. You might try looking at those. Have you tried a posting to Philly-Roots list? If I am not mistaken, the Philadelphia GenWeb page lists a website called, "The Quaker Corner". That might help you to know where to start looking. Good Luck, Cathey

Edie, Thank you for this information. I think you have found my church for me! I wonder why the Welsh Tract Meeting in Delaware, where Griffith and my ancestors came from, called it the Gwynedd Meeting? In 1721, the records of Welsh Tract show the following persons leaving to "Gwynedd": Barnett Young Benjamin Gryffyd (Griffith) Joseph Eatton, and wife Gwen Eatton George Eatton (my direct ancestor), and wife Mary Eatton Simon Mathew Jane Mathew Anthony Mathew Daniel Rhys (Rees) Ann Rhys (Rees) Simon Butler and wife, Ann Butler Thomas Rees and Wife, Elizabeth Rees If you find any of these names in the graveyard, I would appreciate knowing. Joseph Eatton was, reportedly the Asst. Pastor under Benjamin Griffith until some kind of split. In 1744, Joseph Eaton became Pastor of the New Britian Meeting until his death in 1749. Any clues about New Britian Meeting? I would love to see some history that talks about these early Welsh in some detail. Does anyone know if I might find something like that? If the church records are available, that could be a good place to start. Thank you, Cathey In a message dated 11/6/99 9:29:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, RKRNaples@aol.com writes: << I have Welsh Baptists in Hatfield Township, which is just north west of Gwynedd. Here is an excerpt from Bean's History of Montgomery Co: "In 1720 was "built the first Baptist Church in he county, above the present Montgomeryville, in which preaching in the Welsh language was maintained down to the Revolution�Rev Benjamin Griffith preached in the Welsh language in the Montgomery Baptist Church down to his death, in 1768, and he was also followed by his successor, the Rev. John Thomas; >>

Cathey, I did not find any Eatons on the list of Tombstone Inscriptions for Mongomery Baptist (near Colmar, Montgomery County PA). The list I have was copied in 1943. But there are also records of the church at Montgomery Co HIstorical Society. I have not seen them personally, but some years ago a cousin of my father extracted names, and included a wife of my ancestor who was not on the list of tombstone inscriptions. I am interested in what you may have concerning your Eaton's pattern. I have not found where my Welsh Quaker Davis family were before coming to Hatfield perhaps as early as 1720. Do you have any references to Thomas DAVIS in Pennepek Mtg, or Newark?? Edie << I am researching the name EATON and Early Welsh Baptists. My ancestors, John and Joan Eaton arrived from Wales in 1683. They were first members of Pennepek Meeting, north of Philadelphia. Then they, and sons, George and Joseph Eaton (and wives, Mary Davis and Gwenllian Morgan) went to Welsh Tract Baptist Meeting near Newark, DE. >>

How very interesting about the Welsh Baptists. We have a Griffith in our line. His name was Rush Griffith. We feel he was named after a popular Dr. in the area. Anybody have any Griffith's? Sue

<<Subject:Welsh Baptist Meetings in Montgomery Co./Gwynedd? Does anyone know what Welsh Baptist Meetings existed in this county in the early 1700's? Was a Benjamin Griffith an early Baptist minister at one of these >> Cathy, I have Welsh Baptists in Hatfield Township, which is just north west of Gwynedd. Here is an excerpt from Bean's History of Montgomery Co: "In 1720 was "built the first Baptist Church in he county, above the present Montgomeryville, in which preaching in the Welsh language was maintained down to the Revolution�Rev Benjamin Griffith preached in the Welsh language in the Montgomery Baptist Church down to his death, in 1768, and he was also followed by his successor, the Rev. John Thomas; This establishes the fact that, in consequence, the language must have been retained and spoken in some of the families in that section and in the adjoining townships of Hilltown and New Britain until the beginning of this century; We have thus been curious to gather variety of sources the aforesaid facts respecting the powerful hold of the language on the early Welsh settlers in this county, and to show how most of them were unacquainted with any other" Bean's History is online, linked to the Montgomery Co page. I have a list of burials of the graveyard at Montgomery Baptist--will check your names. Edie

Hello, This is my first post to this list in over a year. I am researching the name EATON and Early Welsh Baptists. My ancestors, John and Joan Eaton arrived from Wales in 1683. They were first members of Pennepek Meeting, north of Philadelphia. Then they, and sons, George and Joseph Eaton (and wives, Mary Davis and Gwenllian Morgan) went to Welsh Tract Baptist Meeting near Newark, DE. In 1721, there is a church record saying that they and others went to GWYNEDD Meeting. I posted a query about the location of Gwynedd Meeting on the Philly-Roots list and was advised, more than once, that there was such a meeting in Montgomery Co, but it was a Quaker meeting! I'm sure they are correct,but I think I must be looking for a Baptist Meeting. Does anyone know what Welsh Baptist Meetings existed in this county in the early 1700's? Was a Benjamin Griffith an early Baptist minister at one of these churches? I also have notes about a NEW BRITAIN meeting and a HOPEWELL church or meeting. Do any of these sound familiar to anyone? Thank you, Cathey in Virginia

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