Augustus Lutheran Church - at TRAPPE, PA is probably the place you are looking for. Records are found in PENNSYLVANIA GERMAN CHURCH RECORDS by Yoder at many Genealogy & Historical libraries...my Ickes ancestors there at the same time. If you ever get to near Philadelphia, PA the original church building is still standing and is open for services once or twice a year. It is located in the village of Trappe.

Trappe Church records are available. i have seen them. Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Saint347@aol.com> To: <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 4:45 PM Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] NEEDLE IN A HAYSTACK > Hello Listers; > I am researching something from memory, something I should not be doing, but > I thought someone could help me out. [First rule for genealogists: Never > throw anything away] > I am searching for a town or church with the name Trappe. Heinrich Kirch > died 1764 and recorded in this German Reformed or Lutheran church. He > immigrated with his brother [?] George 1747 from Palatinate. Could this have > been in Franconia? I am at a loss to remember town or church. HELP PLEASE!! > If anyone is able to help or guide in the right direction, I would be most > grateful > Thanks in advance > Gene in sunny San Diego > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Support Rootsweb with a donation it will be used to keep > this Genealogy Resource online. > http://www.rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi >

Thank you, Langdon, for this clear explanation and excellent reminder of why our Commonwealth of Pennsylvania was founded: a recognition of the need to disconnect the power between religious institutions and governments. Regards, Joan Gabrie Haglong@aol.com wrote: > > Quakers and Baptists came from the Reform movement. (1600's). They didn't > believe in the Church heirarchy. They didn't want to create a new Church > structure that would become as corupt as the Roman or English Church, so each > Church could pretty much make up its own "rules" and authorities. There was > never a Pope/Bishop or other superior authority, as in the Roman or Church of > England. > Quakers and Baptists believed in the autonomy of the individual Churches. > Both later (1800's) formed loose Associations of Churches to share their > ideas - the Southern Baptist Convention and Monthly Meetings. > Both Baptists and Quakers believed that only "believers" could join the > Church. But here they were different: Quakers celebrate no sacraments - > like Baptism. Baptists believed that when you become a believer, you get > Baptised. But both denominations had a screening process to determine if a > person was sincere and able to officially join the Church. (Church of England > Baptized every member's > infant. > I guess you could say that Quakers believe that the divine authority is > God, as heard through being quiet and listening to the Spirit within. > Baptists believed that the divine authority was the Bible and one could know > God by reading it. Both denominations had ministers, not priests, and this > occupation was open to all believers. They believed in the separation of > Church and State and therefore their ministers had no strong authority. > Church authority in both denominations was left to members, - Baptists by > democratic vote, Quakers , by consensus. Both strongly believed in > "individual conscience", rather than elete individuals compeling a certain > doctrine or belief. They believed that each individual could discern the > voice of God for themselves and did not need an intermediary. Both > denominations believed that anyone who was a member of the Church should be > allowed to speak in public meetings or services. > Quakers took this a step further than their Baptist brethren and allowed > women full participation in the Church, including becoming ministers. > Although both denominations had men and women sitting on opposite sides of > the Church originally, Quakers recognized the religious authority of women as > much as men, and had many more active women preachers -in the church, not > just at meetings. This probably scandalized most of society, which didn't > believe women should speak in public. > Quakers eventually broke into Conservative and Liberal groups, and kept > separate monthly meetings of these groups. Baptists broke into many more > branches - General, Anabaptist, Particular, and later Southern and American. > Both groups experiences terrible persecution by the Church of England.- > at one time nearly every adult Quaker was in jail in England. After > experiencing some persecution in New England , some Baptists fled to Maine, > and had to leave Maine for the same reason. They went to Charleston, SC. > Quakers in Colonial VA were put in prison when they didn't attend Church of > England services - it was the law in Virginia that one must attend Church. > This is the opposite of the Baptist and Quakers who believed that the Church > should be made up of Believers. Quakers and Baptists were instrumental in > obtaining the clause of the Constitution granting Separation of Church and > State and allowing individual freedom "of and from" religion. > Hope this helps. Langdon > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Support Rootsweb with a donation it will be used to keep > this Genealogy Resource online. > http://www.rootsweb.com > > ============================== > FREE UNLIMITED Web space at RootsWeb! > Any subject: genealogy, computers, pets! Get your Freepages account today: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Augustus Luthern Church is in Trappe, PA.....which is a place all it's own, east of Limerick, PA and I believe west of Collegeville. The church was often referred to as the Old Trappe church. Betty Burdan <bjburdan@ptd.net>

In a message dated 11/9/99 7:54:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, Terrycraft@aol.com writes: << Hello fellow listers, Wagontown, Pa., isn't it in Chester Co. And does someone know any history about this town? I was once AGAIN going over old bits of info. with a fine-toothed comb and came across this town. If this town should be a connection to my missing link I think I'll die! It was on one of my first pieces of "scrap paper" when I started my research long ago. (never throw anything out! ) If anyone can help, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Terry >> Hi In the book , the "Pa. Line" it says that there is a Wagontown in Chester County, Pa. , West Caln Township , and it was a railroad station and a telegraph station. Hope this helps. Judy

Hello fellow listers, Wagontown, Pa., isn't it in Chester Co. And does someone know any history about this town? I was once AGAIN going over old bits of info. with a fine-toothed comb and came across this town. If this town should be a connection to my missing link I think I'll die! It was on one of my first pieces of "scrap paper" when I started my research long ago. (never throw anything out! ) If anyone can help, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Terry

To all who answered my post THANK YOU SO MUCH. Now another question. Does anyone know if this church book has been published??If it has, where can it be purchased???The German Reformed Archives in Lancaster used to provide this info by snail mail but believe they now refer you to Family History centers. Any clues or directions appreciated. Regards A very grateful "old" lady in San Diego

Hello Listers; I am researching something from memory, something I should not be doing, but I thought someone could help me out. [First rule for genealogists: Never throw anything away] I am searching for a town or church with the name Trappe. Heinrich Kirch died 1764 and recorded in this German Reformed or Lutheran church. He immigrated with his brother [?] George 1747 from Palatinate. Could this have been in Franconia? I am at a loss to remember town or church. HELP PLEASE!! If anyone is able to help or guide in the right direction, I would be most grateful Thanks in advance Gene in sunny San Diego

Langdon, I read your reply with great interest. Thank you for sharing your information and insights. You know, I have been reading about the persecution of nonconformist religions in Great Britain and even the Baptist and Quaker persecutions in New England. When I read about the church started in Rhode Island by some of the Baptists who fled Puritan Mass., I couldn't help but think about the persecutions Paul went through in the New Testament. These people, and others, went through much the same thing- and in a time period much too close for comfort. I hadn't read that it was so bad that almost every adult Quaker was imprisoned in England. That's amazing- and horrific. Again, Thank you for taking the time to share this information with me. Cathey

Quakers and Baptists came from the Reform movement. (1600's). They didn't believe in the Church heirarchy. They didn't want to create a new Church structure that would become as corupt as the Roman or English Church, so each Church could pretty much make up its own "rules" and authorities. There was never a Pope/Bishop or other superior authority, as in the Roman or Church of England. Quakers and Baptists believed in the autonomy of the individual Churches. Both later (1800's) formed loose Associations of Churches to share their ideas - the Southern Baptist Convention and Monthly Meetings. Both Baptists and Quakers believed that only "believers" could join the Church. But here they were different: Quakers celebrate no sacraments - like Baptism. Baptists believed that when you become a believer, you get Baptised. But both denominations had a screening process to determine if a person was sincere and able to officially join the Church. (Church of England Baptized every member's infant. I guess you could say that Quakers believe that the divine authority is God, as heard through being quiet and listening to the Spirit within. Baptists believed that the divine authority was the Bible and one could know God by reading it. Both denominations had ministers, not priests, and this occupation was open to all believers. They believed in the separation of Church and State and therefore their ministers had no strong authority. Church authority in both denominations was left to members, - Baptists by democratic vote, Quakers , by consensus. Both strongly believed in "individual conscience", rather than elete individuals compeling a certain doctrine or belief. They believed that each individual could discern the voice of God for themselves and did not need an intermediary. Both denominations believed that anyone who was a member of the Church should be allowed to speak in public meetings or services. Quakers took this a step further than their Baptist brethren and allowed women full participation in the Church, including becoming ministers. Although both denominations had men and women sitting on opposite sides of the Church originally, Quakers recognized the religious authority of women as much as men, and had many more active women preachers -in the church, not just at meetings. This probably scandalized most of society, which didn't believe women should speak in public. Quakers eventually broke into Conservative and Liberal groups, and kept separate monthly meetings of these groups. Baptists broke into many more branches - General, Anabaptist, Particular, and later Southern and American. Both groups experiences terrible persecution by the Church of England.- at one time nearly every adult Quaker was in jail in England. After experiencing some persecution in New England , some Baptists fled to Maine, and had to leave Maine for the same reason. They went to Charleston, SC. Quakers in Colonial VA were put in prison when they didn't attend Church of England services - it was the law in Virginia that one must attend Church. This is the opposite of the Baptist and Quakers who believed that the Church should be made up of Believers. Quakers and Baptists were instrumental in obtaining the clause of the Constitution granting Separation of Church and State and allowing individual freedom "of and from" religion. Hope this helps. Langdon

In a message dated 11/7/99 4:00:18 PM Mountain Standard Time, Nanren@aol.com writes: > Wondering if there are any Renningers or variant spellings on the list? > Yes, there are about 30 spelled Reninger, Renninger, Reininger, and Reiniger. Recorded at 5 different churches pretty much in Upper Hanover Twsp in the 1700's. Who are you looking for? There are too many to type all of them but perhaps you want to know children of certain parents or have children but not birthdates. Diane

In a message dated 11/7/1999 9:41:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, Haglong@aol.com writes: << There was much cross-over between Baptist and Quaker - usually Quaker to Baptist. They come from the same Anabaptist roots and were not exceptionally different in the old days. >> I had heard this somewhere else, though others have told me they were quite different. Can anyone explain, in a nutshell, the major theological differences- and similarities- of the early Baptist and Quaker?

Can anyone help me with information on this family? I have reached a brick wall. Thanks. Colleen Ryan Beener 1. JOHN1 RYAN was born 1827-1828 in Delaware. He married MARGARETT IREY of Birdsboro 01 August 1857 in St. Aloysius Church, Pottstown. Notes for JOHN RYAN: According to the 1870 census, John (age 42) and Margaret Irey Ryan (age 34) resided in the 113th District, Union Township, Douglassville, Berks County with their children: Joseph, age 9; David, age 7; James, age 5; Gertrude, age 3; Loretta, age 10 months; and Anna, age 13. John's parents were of foreign birth and the census indicates that he was born in Delaware. Real estate was valued at $800 and personal property at $200. His son's Joseph death certificate states that John was from Indiana but there is no proof of that. Children of JOHN RYAN and MARGARETT IREY are: i. MRS. KATE CONNELL (STEP)2 UNKNOWN. ii. ANNA RYAN, b. 1857. iii. JOHN RYAN, b. 1858. Notes for JOHN RYAN: Baptized, St. Paul's Church, Union Township, Berks County on 04 September 1958. Sponsors John and Eleanor Ryan. iv. JOSEPH MATTHEW RYAN, b. 06 November 1860, Douglassville, PA; d. 14 August 1927, Stowe, PA; m. SARAH TROUT (SALLIE) BOYER, 02 August 1883, St. Aloysius Church, Pottstown. Notes for JOSEPH MATTHEW RYAN: Baptized, St. Paul's Church, Union Township, Berks County on 23 December 1860. Sponsors James Flannery and Margaret Lyons. v. DAVID RYAN, b. 29 March 1863. Notes for DAVID RYAN: Baptized, St. Paul's Church, Union Township, Berks County on 26 April 1863. Sponsors Jeremiah Ryan and Julia Maloney. vi. JAMES A. RYAN, b. 23 July 1865. Notes for JAMES A. RYAN: Baptized, St. Paul's Church, Union Township, Berks County on 27 August 1865. Sponsors Andrew Ryan and Bridget Ryan. vii. GERTRUDE ALICE RYAN, b. 28 July 1867. Notes for GERTRUDE ALICE RYAN: Baptized, St. Aloysius, Pottstown. Sponsors, John Ryan and Ann Ryan. viii. MARY LORETTA RYAN, b. 12 October 1869. Notes for MARY LORETTA RYAN: Baptized, St. Aloysius, Pottstown on 07 November 1869. Sponsors Thomas and Joanna Ryan. ix. HELEN RYAN, b. 24 May 1872. Notes for HELEN RYAN: Baptized, St. Aloysius, Pottstown on 12 July 1872. Sponsors William Carey and Helen Carey. x. MARGARET RYAN, b. 19 May 1874; m. JOSEPH DAVIS. Notes for MARGARET RYAN: Baptized, St. Aloysius, Pottstown on 12 July 1874. Sponsors Timothy Lyons and Anna Hanley. xi. AGNES RYAN, b. 12 March 1878. Notes for AGNES RYAN: Baptized, St. Aloysius, Pottstown on 25 March 1878. Sponsors Matthew Ryan and Helen Moloney.

No i dont sorry ----- Original Message ----- From: <Haglong@aol.com> To: <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] GROW FAMILY > Would you know who Michael Yocum's father was?? Thanks. Langdon > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > List owner ndwilson@swbell.net > > ============================== > FREE UNLIMITED Web space at RootsWeb! > Any subject: genealogy, computers, pets! Get your Freepages account today: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi >

On Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:34:30 -0500 realia@home.com writes: <snipped> >In the notes of Brandywine Baptist meeting start up there is also a >reference to Jos. Eaton coming from the Welsh-tract (New Castle, Del) >on >June 14, 1715 to help organize the church. >Wendy We're looking for a Jos. Eaton with a daughter, Mehetable, b. 12 Feb 1706, d. Mar 1777 and who married John Trowbridge abt 1725 possibly in Framingham or Cambridge, Massachusetts. Is this the same Joseph Eaton? Janet j.broadbent@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

Diane: Wondering if there are any Renningers or variant spellings on the list? Don Renninger

Reese Walthen Cadwallader (Joseph, John) was born January 18, 1742 and died in 1800. He married Ruth Parkins October 9, 1767 at Hopewell MM, Virginia. She was the daughter of Isaac and Mary Parkins, Frederick City, Va., and was born June 1748. She was the mother of his 11 children. He married 2nd Elizabeth Sharpless Talbot, a widow, of Fayette Co., Pa. September 1, 1790. She was the daughter of Isaac Sharpless. He lived at Loudon Co., Va., Fayette Co., Pa., andd Brownsville, Pa. I have references of 6 more Reese Cadwalladers, if you want them posted to the list or privately, please let me know. Lea Simitz Buzby leabuzby@aol.com Researching: BUZBY, CADWALLADER, GALE, KIRBY, GREENWOOD, FEASTER, TOMLINSON, FELTON, VAN SYCCKEL, HOULTON, DEAL, VAN HORN

I have a Rees Cadwallader, descendant of John Cadwallader of Wales 1676-1742; John, John, Joseph, John was born September 16, 1816. He married Rhoda Unknown and had 3 children. Nancy, Henry, Stephen. Sabina Cadwallader; John, John, Joseph, John was born April 10 1814 and died January 25, 1851. She married Stephen Easley and had 4 children. Elwood Easley married Deborah Wood, John, Daniel married Rhoda Kindey, Rees married Sarah Jones. Lea Simitz Buzby

In a message dated 11/07/1999 5:26:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, PAMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << I wonder if the surnames could be listed for the Welsh Baptists? I certainly have plenty of Welsh in this county, but I thought they were Quakers. I do have some Welsh REESE, as RHYS (REES) was mentioned in connection w/ this church. >> Sue, I do not have a list for the church--just tombstone inscriptions for the church. And there are too many to list. Of your names, I see only one REES--a Rebecca, daughter of Thomas and Euphemia Humphreys, b Aug. 19, 1802; d Feb. 1877. There are many EVANS. Who are you looking for? Edie

Would you know who Michael Yocum's father was?? Thanks. Langdon