I can only give you my experience with a death record. The record for my gr grandfather's death in 1896 listed his birth place as Bucks County. WRONG. He was born in Montgomery County. The information was supplied by his son-in-law, who was a little dim on localities, as gr grand was born in Lower Dublin Twnshp, near Bucks. People make mistakes. Ruth in GA ----- Original Message ----- From: <BigBooker@aol.com> To: <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2000 8:53 AM Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] delayed birth records > Can anyone lend me their expertise? I have a reference to a delayed birth and > death record for a George W. Jones. If I'm lucky, this could be mine. The > birth was recorded in Berks County, however, and I know my George was born > Montgomery. Has anyone used delayed registration vital records and do they > record much info? We're talking about the mid-1800's. > > thanks--connie > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode then e-mail PAMONTGO-L-request@rootsweb.com or PAMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in message. > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi >

Connie, Delayed Records often contain as much or more info as if they were recorded within three days. Sometimes someone forgot to record, or the record is lost or destroyed. Or it might have been filed in the wrong location, in the case of no "professional" doctor or midwife. Sometimes an unwed mother doesn't put the real name of the father, but later decides to add it. (or, I suppose she could try to have his name taken off, if she marries somone else.) In 1973, my midwife said she'd take care of the birth certificate, and I had a copy at the time, or maybe the original, but when I went to enroll my daughter in school, there was no record. I filed a delayed birth certificate five years after her birth. The only caviat would be how accurate the data - date change, name change, etc. Langdon

Connie: I have gotten a delayed birth record for an uncle who I also know was born in Montgomery County. I have no idea why they are listed in Berks unless it is because Reading is closer to some Montgomery County locations than Norristown. I think these may have had to be done in the County seat. Colleen PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Can anyone lend me their expertise? I have a reference to a delayed birth and > death record for a George W. Jones. If I'm lucky, this could be mine. The > birth was recorded in Berks County, however, and I know my George was born > Montgomery. Has anyone used delayed registration vital records and do they > record much info? We're talking about the mid-1800's. > > thanks--connie > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode then e-mail PAMONTGO-L-request@rootsweb.com or PAMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in message. > > ============================== > Free Web space. �ANY amount. �ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > >

Can anyone lend me their expertise? I have a reference to a delayed birth and death record for a George W. Jones. If I'm lucky, this could be mine. The birth was recorded in Berks County, however, and I know my George was born Montgomery. Has anyone used delayed registration vital records and do they record much info? We're talking about the mid-1800's. thanks--connie

I am searching for information on Henry Dickinson born in Whitemarsh Twp. April 14, 1836. He was a prominent lawyer in Norristown, PA .In 1880 he was solicitor for the board of Commissioners of Montgomery County. His wife and nine children died in a fire. He died in 1900. I am interested in knowing who his parents were and the name of his wife and children. Any info helpful. Thanks Lenore Dickinson

Lenore, Found the following in the 1850 census as follows on 1850 Census Roll 799, Page 144: Montgomery County, White Marsh Township Dwelling 334, Family 355, all born PA Henry Dickinson, age 51, male, farmer, $9000 real estate owned Mariah Dickinson, age 50, female Elizabeth Dickinson, age 30, female Ann Jaline Dickinson, age 25, female Albert Dickinson, age 23, male, no occupation Emeline, age 18, female Henry, age 15, male, attended school (this may be your Henry) Israel, age 11, male, attended school Thomas, age 8, male, attended school Hope this helps! Wendy

Hello fellow list members I've been lurking on this list for a while, so now I'd like to introduce myself and hope someone will be able to point me in the right direction. You all seem to be located in the US: I'm in England, and although I've been engaged in genealogical research here in the UK for over 20 years I've very little idea how to set about tracing ancestors in the US. William Augustin MATHEWS apparently left England 'suddenly' in 1839 and went to America. He may have been accompanied by a wife (Mary) - he certainly left behind in London a son of 20 who became my Gt.Gt.Grandfather. I have found an entry for William in Philadelphia Naturalisation Records (page 430) as having made a Declaration of Intent on 28 Sep 1854, and taken the Oath of Allegiance on 12 Oct 1863. I have obtained copies of these through my brother (who lives in Florida) and they say that he was resident at Montgomery Township. (But they don't help me to trace him back as he is only described as 'a native of England'.) I believe that William died before 25 Dec 1874, as his son's second marriage certificate states under details of father 'William Augustin Mathews, Baptist Minister (deceased)'. I assume therefore that there will be a record of his death or burial, also I assume he will appear in the census records for 1840, 50, and 60. I suppose he might have owned property, and made a will. He may have had children born in the US, or have had younger children who emigrated with him. There is a book 'A History of Montgomery Baptist Church in Montgomery Township' written by Edward MATHEWS in 1895 which I've ordered a microfilm copy to view from the LDS (but it takes about seven weeks) which I'm hopeful may provide some more information. Although William is described as a 'native of England' and from his given age was born about 1795, I haven't found a likely baptism in the IGI in the British Isles. There is however a IGI entry for William Augustin Mathews, son of Samuel and Abigail on 10 March 1800 at Hartland Township, Windsor, Vermont. The name is so unusual that I assume there must be a connection. What I want to discover is both his ancestry and whether there are descendants in the US. I've noticed a reference on a post on this list to 'Pennsylvania Welsh' As Montgomery is the name of a Welsh county, am I right in assuming that there is some connection? Could someone explain how I can best set about finding out more about this man, given my lack of knowledge of the American way of doing things and the distance involved? Dick Mathews in Southend on Sea, Essex How would I check these records given the impracticality of searching in Philadelphia in person? Are there any other lines of enquiry I should pursue? Thanks in advance. Dick Mathews

<< Oh how I wish I had seen this documentary. One of my ancestors, Captain James WATSON, was reportedly the largest man to cross the Delaware with Washington that night. >> If you are talking about "The Crossing" on cable Station A&E, it has been rebroadcast many times. It's sunday evening and the program just ended at I think 7:00 pm. It's the 3rd time I've seen it. It is excellent!!!!!!!!! I suggest you check the TV listing.

Just a note to thank everyone for their help. I have located a variety of information to help me track down some ancesters. I have also discovered an unexpected puzzle or road in my search. Additionally, since genealogists are such nice people, I have truly discovered an internet friend. Anyway, Since the Fall semester starts Tuesday, I will be signing off until the next break. Thanks for all your help. Joan Frizzell frizzell@lasalle.edu surnames Bloom, Byrne, Decoursey, Fegley, Hipple, Hunsberger, Murray, Parker, Spare, Thomas

Bev Dobbins states on the Bucks Co. mailing list: << I was very much inspired by the recent program on George Washington's Crossing of the Delaware River to attack Trenton, NJ.>> Oh how I wish I had seen this documentary. One of my ancestors, Captain James WATSON, was reportedly the largest man to cross the Delaware with Washington that night. I remember my dad telling me this. And many years later I found the report through the DAR. This James WATSON brought three brothers with him on his second trip back to America from Ireland. I am not positive about their names, but supposedly one died at the Battle of Brandywine and is buried at Lititz Springs, PA. Gerre Engard Byrd

In a message dated 1/16/00 1:20:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, frizzell@lasalle.edu writes: << ince the Fall semester starts Tuesday, I will be signing off until the next break. >> Spring????

Hello everyone, My name is Mike Ciotti, and my great-great-great-grandmother was Elizabeth JEFFERIES, b. January 1, 1841, who married George W. GUSS, a bricklayer/civil war veteran. Anyway, I found three JEFFERIES in a book on the Revolutionary War, and their names/info were: John JEFFERIES b. April 1759 d. November 1832 Private, Lt, Captain in the 7th, 4th, and 1st Battalion of Pa Served 1776-1780, and again in 1783 Joseph JEFFERIES b. 1736 d. November 1814 Major, 3rd Battalion Pa Militia 1775-1778 Colonel, 5th Battalion 1778-1780 York County Benjamin JEFFERIES Drummer, Captain Bushs' Company 11th PA Regt, Continental Army 1777 If anyone has any information on Elizabeth JEFFERIES, her family, or any information about these three gentleman, PLEASE don't hesitate to bring any of it forward. Thanks a lot, ---Mike Researching CIOTTI, VALERIO, SHERIDAN, GUSS, COUGHLIN, JEFFERIES, KEITER, KNERR, MILLER, SHUNK, all from the area of Chester County, PA, between 1750 and the present.

Re Collins response: Am seeking information on a James C. Collins, m. Martha Anderson,either before leaving Eastern PA or after moving to Xenia,OH. They had children,Lydia Jane,Anderson and Hale. Any clues appreciated. Frank David

Thelma, I believe that your Joseph Place , b. ca1830, was living in Upper Providence Twp. in 1850, 1860 and 1870. In 1850 he was 21 and working on the farm of Joshua Zimmerman. In 1870, he was 40 and in Upper Providence. There are more Places up in Limerick twp. I do not know his parents. The earliest Place family that I see in Montgomery Co. was Friederich and Appolonia Ploes who had a son , Johannes Jacob, baptized at Wentz's Reformed Church in Worcester Township. A Frederick Place died in Limerick township in 1818 and that may be the same Frederick, also a Benjamin Place in 1829. Glenn Landis

Thanks so much, Bob. This will be very helpful. Gerre

There seems to be a Lawrence King - according to family search.org, there is a Lawrence King - Pikeland, Chester, PA., b. c. 1754. I don't subscribe to the service so cannot find where this leads. There is a Lawrence in 1800 in Fayette Co. who I think has about the same birth date. Then there is the Lawrence in Wood Va (WVA) in 1810 but the dates are off a few years. If anyone has a (and I am assuming the search got the Chester PA data from the 1790 Census) way either to check the Chester census or the family search records, I would greatly appreciate it. Many thanks, Pat Snyder

The Frankford Rehoboth Methodist Episcopal Church goes back to the 1820's. It was in Frankford. There is a picture in the book "A history of Frankford" by Howard Lee Barnes. I'm not sure if the church is still active. Bob Smiley ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ggengard@aol.com> To: <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 8:21 PM Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] Rehoboth Methodist Episcopal Church in Frankford > Is anyone familiar with this church and it's location. I assume Frankford is > in Montgomery Co.??? > > Rehoboth Methodist Episcopal Church, Frankford > all adult Engards: > Andrew bap 10 may 1836 > Ann bap 3 may 1840 > Ann bap 20 jul 1834 > Susan bap 20 jul 1834 > > Thanks for any help you can give. Perhaps you are a member of this church. > > Gerre Engard Byrd > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > List owner ndwilson@swbell.net > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > >

Thought you would appreciate this. Joan ---------------------- Forwarded by Joan Frizzell/Nursing/LaSalle on 01/14/2000 10:43 PM --------------------------- Cogan59@aol.com on 01/14/2000 10:02:40 PM To: PHILLY-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com cc: Subject: [PHILLY-ROOTS-L] Comic Relief SYMPTOMS: Continual complaint as to need for names, dates and places. Patient has blank expression, is sometimes deaf to spouse and children. Has no taste for work of any kind except feverishly looking through records at libraries and courthouses. Has compulsion to write letters/email. Swears at mailman when he does not leave mail.(I have stooped to swearing at my AOL mailbox) Frequents strange places such as cemetaries, ruins and remote, desolate areas. Makes secret phone calls at night. Hides phone bill from spouse and mumbles to self. Has strange, faraway look in the eye. NO KNOWN CURE !! TREATMENT: Medication is useless. Disease is not fatal but gets progressively worse. Patient should attend genealogy workshops, subscribe to genealogical magazines (email lists) and be given a quiet corner in the house where he or she can be alone. author unknown

Gerre Is this possibly Andrew Enyard and his wife Ann Plumly? She was b.10 May 1789, dau of George Plumly and Susanna Nickells of Bucks Co., PA. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Ggengard@aol.com [mailto:Ggengard@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 8:21 PM To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] Rehoboth Methodist Episcopal Church in Frankford Is anyone familiar with this church and it's location. I assume Frankford is in Montgomery Co.??? Rehoboth Methodist Episcopal Church, Frankford all adult Engards: Andrew bap 10 may 1836 Ann bap 3 may 1840 Ann bap 20 jul 1834 Susan bap 20 jul 1834 Thanks for any help you can give. Perhaps you are a member of this church. Gerre Engard Byrd ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== List owner ndwilson@swbell.net ============================== Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: http://pml.rootsweb.com/

Gerre Frankford is a part of Philadelphia today. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Ggengard@aol.com [mailto:Ggengard@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 8:21 PM To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] Rehoboth Methodist Episcopal Church in Frankford Is anyone familiar with this church and it's location. I assume Frankford is in Montgomery Co.??? Rehoboth Methodist Episcopal Church, Frankford all adult Engards: Andrew bap 10 may 1836 Ann bap 3 may 1840 Ann bap 20 jul 1834 Susan bap 20 jul 1834 Thanks for any help you can give. Perhaps you are a member of this church. Gerre Engard Byrd