Hi!! Found something interesting on the 1870 Census for Upper Hanover Township. All these people are at the same residence. |------------------------+------------------------+------------------------| |Trumbauer, R |45 Carpenter |Born in Pennsylvania | |------------------------+------------------------+------------------------| |Trumbauer, Catharine |43 |Born in Pennsylvania | |------------------------+------------------------+------------------------| |Hipple, Joseph |8 |Born in Pennsylvania | |------------------------+------------------------+------------------------| |Hipple, Kate |6 |Born in Pennsylvania | |------------------------+------------------------+------------------------| Question: I am searching from information about Joseph T Hipple born in 1861. The T represents (phonetically) Trumborough, which could be Trumbauer. Have I found the correct child? Is it possible that Joseph Hipple took Trumbauer as his middle name to represent a step-parent or guardian? How can I validate this information.? TIA Joan Frizzell frizzell@lasalle.edu

Marc, Diane Upper Moreland & Lower Moreland Twps were both created out of Moreland Twp. in 1916. Both are in Montgomery Co. Moreland Twp. was created from the Manor of Moreland, which was a private estate owned by Dr. Nicholas More. It was the only Manor set up by William Penn that was not owned by a Penn family member. Try http://www.phillyburbs.com/community/emontco/ for further information. Bill

Hi Folks, My 3 volume Hunsberger Book set arrived today. I just want to thank everyone on all of these lists for all the help, guidance and knowledge you've shared over the past few months. I am on at least a dozen surname and other genealogy lists and have made great strides in my continuing research. I want to repay the kindnesses shown me by helping some of you. I will do lookups, but please read this whole message before responding. Please adhere to the following guidelines. Thank you. 1. Send me your message off list, directly to me, so we don't clutter the list. I will reply to you off list as well. 2. I will respond in the order in which I receive your queries. 3. Please send me a full name and dates; do not ask for a lookup on "all the Abraham Humsbergers" on the list. First names are repeated a lot and such a search is not feasible. 4. Include your full birth name and birth date, if you are the Hunsberger descendent, or the full birth name of your spouse and birth date. If you are a Hunsberger descendent, you are most likely in this book. The index includes all descendents, but not spouses of the same. 5. Please ask for only one lookup at a time. I cannot trace whole lines. I will give you as much information as I reasonably can. 6. Please be patient. I work outside the home. Also my son is graduating from police academy on Friday and I have company coming for the weekend. I WILL get back to you. If you are in the book, I will send you your entry as it appears. It will probably contain errors, but you can change that in time for the supplement, which is now being assembled. You will need to go to the Hunsberger website, download the form and send it in to be included in the update. The address is http://www.hunsberger.org/assoc.htm Judy in upstate NY ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

--part1_a5.271774b.25e5b15f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 2/23/00 2:24:13 PM Mountain Standard Time, Ruffin413@cs.com writes: > Adam > Go to this website it gives history of each township. Go to bottom of page > click oon township llnk. Moreeland should be there. This is a fine book > cheeck it out. > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/montgomery/beantoc.htm --part1_a5.271774b.25e5b15f_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Ruffin413@cs.com From: Ruffin413@cs.com Full-name: Ruffin413 Message-ID: <a4.104dbca.25e5a9fd@cs.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 16:24:13 EST Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] Moreland Tp locale? To: Adamsgen@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 27 Adam Go to this website it gives history of each township. Go to bottom of page click oon township llnk. Moreeland should be there. This is a fine book cheeck it out. http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/montgomery/beantoc.htm --part1_a5.271774b.25e5b15f_boundary--

In a message dated 2/18/00 12:04:55 PM Mountain Standard Time, fitpro2@juno.com writes: > n 1774, what county was Moreland Tp in? > Were there two Tps of this name? > Thank you, Marc Marc, It doesn't appear as if anyone answered your question so I will take a stab at it. It is from memory so I don't have a source. In 1784 Montgomery County split off from Philadelphia Co. Before that Moreland was one entity but after that it split in two, one staying in Phila Co and the other a township in Montgomery Co. One part was called the Manor of Moreland but I'm not sure which. Perhaps someone else will jump in here and fill in the details. In the meantime perhaps this will help. Diane in CO

I'm looking for info on Esther M. Trout b~1838. She married Joseph R. Place on Oct. 14, 1854 at Lower Providence Presbyterian Church. They had a son Joseph R. Can anyone help? Thanks. Thelma Place Rathgeber JVR321@aol.com

I don't have info on a BOLTON in Abington but there was a number of them in Norristown. Amy

A week or 2 ago someone asked about a Reformed Church. I promised to look at the name... Reformed Church of Blue Bell. Its located on Union Meeting Road in Blue Bell, PA, 19422. The date stone says Union Meeting 1814. Amy

Read this, please. My mail was cut in half from what it usually is (on the same day of the week), but today it is triple what it is normally as they are doing catch-up. I didn't post my first message unthinklingly, I did send things to the list Digest & I usually get at least 1 Digest a day & it was taking 2 & 3 days from when I sent them in, but I think I'm repeating myself. Please just read below. Donna Donna Hull wrote: > > Here's the answer to our lack of mail-- > > Posted on another list by the listowner: > On another note, your Rootsweb list mail may have been slow to > non-existent lately due to a problem with the lists server (but not > lists2 and lists3). That should be fixed now, so mail should start > coming in. You may see mail a couple days old. The newer mail should > still go through first, so the older will arrive at odd times. Maybe > even before you see this. > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "I am ancestrally challenged" > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Researching surnames: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > NJ: SENTENEY-HYDE-HIGGINS-CARLE DE: RUTH MD: COURTS-HENLEY > PA: MILLER-HULL-MAGGARD KY: EDWARDS-COURTS-HUCKABY-SINCLAIR > VA-KY: WARRINER-AKERS-MILLER-ESTES-WILLIAMS-BRIDGES-WINFREY-SCOTT > SINCLAIR-GORSUCH-THOMAS > VA: SHORES-MAGGARD-FUDGE-BUFORD-NUCHOLLS-CLAYTON-TODD-SCOTT-HUGHES > FIKE-EARLY-MADISON-HENLEY-DAMERON-PARROTT-REED-ZWILL > NC: WILLIAMS-HUCKABY-BRIDGES-FIKE-ROE-MC HALEY-STRIKER > VA-OH-PA: MARTIN-RUTH-HULL > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Two family books available from me: > "And then there were three thousand", 1975 [Miller, Akers, Chambers] > "Jacob Miller, Our Immigrant--And More", 1998 [Miller, Mann, Maddy] > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "I am ancestrally challenged" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Researching surnames: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NJ: SENTENEY-HYDE-HIGGINS-CARLE DE: RUTH MD: COURTS-HENLEY PA: MILLER-HULL-MAGGARD KY: EDWARDS-COURTS-HUCKABY-SINCLAIR VA-KY: WARRINER-AKERS-MILLER-ESTES-WILLIAMS-BRIDGES-WINFREY-SCOTT SINCLAIR-GORSUCH-THOMAS VA: SHORES-MAGGARD-FUDGE-BUFORD-NUCHOLLS-CLAYTON-TODD-SCOTT-HUGHES FIKE-EARLY-MADISON-HENLEY-DAMERON-PARROTT-REED-ZWILL NC: WILLIAMS-HUCKABY-BRIDGES-FIKE-ROE-MC HALEY-STRIKER VA-OH-PA: MARTIN-RUTH-HULL ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Two family books available from me: "And then there were three thousand", 1975 [Miller, Akers, Chambers] "Jacob Miller, Our Immigrant--And More", 1998 [Miller, Mann, Maddy] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There is a pretty good Montgo map with Bean's 1884 History in the USGW archives. Also lots of data on each township and several boroughs. -- joe

All, In case you haven't done it lately you should go the list archives and search for your surname's,topic's,area's or anything else you can think of. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Rootsweb Threaded Mailing List Archives http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl RootsWeb Mailing Lists -- Interactive Search Where asked for just type name of list you want to search ex:PAMONTGO you can search all messages since they beginning of the list. Nadine Hensley List Owner n_hensley_2000@yahoo.com or ndwilson@swbell.net

Almost right.....in Penna., boroughs are separate legal entities, generally surrounded by townships, but not "in" or a part of any of those townships. Think of it this way: villages are often in townships, but villages are not legal entities; not incorporated townships are the most basic form of government in Penna. boroughs are the next up on the ladder, and after that would be cities, then counties. Hope this doesn't confuse Bill -----Original Message----- From: Marybeth Hegel [mailto:marybeth@nothinbut.net] Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 4:27 AM To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] St. Peter's Update Thanks to everyone for the information about St. Peter's. I now know that it's a Luthern church in North Wales, which is a boro in Upper Gwynedd Township, Montgomery County. <snip>

St. Peter's Catholic Church in Pottstown wasn't organized until April of 1924, and the church itself is on South Street between Price and Rohland. If you are looking for earlier records, you won't find them at this church. St. Aloysisus, was the first Catholic Church in Pottstown organized around 1856. Betty Burdan

Ooh, I get it. Thant's kind of how it is in Jersey, where I live in Gloucester County. We have little areas, or villages I guess you call it, inside the township. For instance, Glendora is in (and part of) Gloucester Township and Tunersville is in (and part of) Washington Twp. They are not towns by themselves, but they have their own post offices and zip codes. We have boros too, like Runnemede, but no township is involved. Kind of confusing. I think I need a good map of Montgomery County so I can keep all this stuff straight. Thanks for the info. > From: "William A. Collins" <WilliamCollins@unforgettable.com> > Subject: RE: [PAMONTGO-L] St. Peter's Update > Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:58:42 -0500 > Importance: Normal > To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com > Reply-to: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com > Almost right.....in Penna., boroughs are separate legal entities, generally > surrounded by townships, > but not "in" or a part of any of those townships. > > Think of it this way: > villages are often in townships, but villages are not legal entities; not > incorporated > townships are the most basic form of government in Penna. > boroughs are the next up on the ladder, and after that would be cities, then > counties. > > Hope this doesn't confuse > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marybeth Hegel [mailto:marybeth@nothinbut.net] > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 4:27 AM > To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] St. Peter's Update > > > Thanks to everyone for the information about St. Peter's. I now know > that it's a Luthern church in North Wales, which is a boro in > Upper Gwynedd Township, Montgomery County. > > <snip> > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Support Rootsweb with a donation it will be used to keep > this Genealogy Resource online. > http://www.rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > marybeth@nothinbut.net

In a message dated 2/20/00 7:11:09 AM Mountain Standard Time, EEdie@aol.com writes: > another treasure I found > was www.HeritageQuest.com I have been ordering the census CD's for only > $14.95 (I am a member and they just released 1920 Census they have all the > states if you haven't looked into this yet. Good Morning, Edie, Just tried the URL above and all I found for PA was the entire 1850 census CD through FTM for $79.95. Are you looking at something else? Would love to get a cheaper version perhaps for county only. Diane in CO

Hey Researchers, Looking for a John BARTOW around 1910 in the Upper/Lower Providence area of Montgomery County. Thanks for any and all input. Suzanna

Thanks to everyone for the information about St. Peter's. I now know that it's a Luthern church in North Wales, which is a boro in Upper Gwynedd Township, Montgomery County. One of (if not the) oldest church in North WaIes. (which I believe because my ancestor was confirmed there in 1851). It's a beautiful white church with a large steeple. I was looking for the church's web page last night, to see a picture, but they don't seem to have one. Thanks for all your help. Marybeth Erwin Hegel marybeth@nothinbut.net

In a message dated 2/20/00 6:32:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, marybeth@nothinbut.net writes: << St. Peter's Church in Gwynedd, >> The Official Catholic Church Directory does NOT list any church in Gwynedd, but does list one in Pottstown, which is about 19 mi. west of Gwynedd. Marian in So Cal

Gwynedd is not really near Pottstown. I live in Upper Gwynedd, PA, and the St. Peters that is here, the only one in the phone book is St. Peters Lutheran Church, North Wales, PA 19454. Their phone # is 215-699-4604 (office). It's a beautiful white church. Let me know if you'd like photos. Barbara [PAMONTGO-L] St. Peter's Church, Gwynedd Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 21:26:15 +0000 From: "Marybeth Hegel" <marybeth@nothinbut.net> To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Dear fellow researchers, I'm looking for information about St. Peter's Church in Gwynedd, Montgomery County. Does anyone know what religion this church is? Also, is Gwynedd near Pottstown? I found a St. Peter's Catholic Church in Pottstown. Thanks. Marybeth marybeth@nothinbut.net

ROBERT PORTER was born ca. 1698 in County Donegal, Ireland and tradition has it, came to Norrington, Montgomery Co. at age 19 with a brother. Robert married LILLEOUS CHRISTY whose father JOHN CHRISTY also settled in Norriton. Robert and Lilleous had a distinquished family, including GENERAL ANDREW PORTER and his son DAVID RITTENHOUSE PORTER. ROBERT died July 1770 in Whitpain Twp. ROBERT PORTER was an Elder in the Old Norriton Presbyterian Church and I recently found that "ANDREW PORTER attended the 22 May 1751 Synod meeting as an elder from Norrington" . Who was this ANDREW? Was this the brother who immigrated with ROBERT? Can anyone connect with any of the above? TYIA, Arlene Gemmill