In a message dated 3/12/00 6:54:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, buckr@mindspring.com writes: << The Philadelphia City archivist told me that the Germantown/Chestnut Hill cemetery no longer exists. >> check a book called 'the cemetery records compendium' to see if the records were microfilmed by the lds church. marian

Hello everybody in the Philly area. In 1860, was there a newspaper in the Jenkintown / Ambler / Upper Dublin Township which would have published obituaries? I have the death notice of George Casner BATES, who died near Three Tuns, published in the Norristown Herald and Free Press, Tuesday, September 11 1860. "" On the 1st of September, George BATES, of Upper Dublin, in the 73d yr of his age."" The docent at Montgomery County Historical Society suggested that I find a newspaper, then in the Jenkintown area, which might have published an obituary. Since George owned a lot of acreage at the time of his death, he must have been noticed in the community. Hopefully, the obituary , if it exists, will tell me where he was buried. My aside: The newspaper might not have his age exactly correct. It would depend upon his birthday in the year of birth and death. [Supposedly 1787] This man [my gr gr grandfather] and his family [2 wives, 15 children] are proving to be elusive spirits. Any suggestions will be most welcome. Ruth in GA

In a message dated 03/12/2000 10:47:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, buckr@mindspring.com writes: << Since George owned a lot of acreage at the time of his death, he must have been noticed in the community. >> Also, be sure you are on the Philly list =PHILLY-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com There are folks on this list who research Montgomery Co. also and are so helpful. Gerre

In a message dated 03/12/2000 10:47:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, buckr@mindspring.com writes: << Since George owned a lot of acreage at the time of his death, he must have been noticed in the community. >> Ruth, are there no estate records in the Montgomery Co. Archives? Carol is so helpful. Email her and tell her I sent you her way. She's awesome. I have HANWAYS who go back to KASTNERS (I think I've already told you this), but I don't know how they connect to BATES. Email Paul HANWAY and see what he might have. scribe@winfinity.com Gerre

I am requesting a copy of a death certificate that occured in Norristown between the years 1900-1905. Please let me know the address of who to write to. Thank you.

I kept thinking I'll get better & be able to do this lookup. No such luck yet. Sorry, Donna ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] Lookup on Church records Date:Sun, 6 Feb 2000 07:08:07 EST From: Ruffin413@cs.com To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Hi Donna If you are still taking requset for lookups in those German Church records Book. Would check for any SCHEETZ of LOTZ (LUTZ). Thanks Susan

I kept thinking I'll get better & be able to do this lookup. No such luck yet. Sorry, Donna PA German Church Records: Vol I: LANDIS, JONES, DUGAN, NEUKIRCH/newkirk/NIEKIRK, -0- MOHR, George -0- your Geo SAVAGE, George p. 676 Marriages, German Evangelical Lutheran Congregation of Philadelphia, He & Margretha Pantlenin were witnesses to m. of Catharina Schnellin 23 Dec 1759 Others -0- Ottinger, Hanna 455 (SAVAGE) Confirmations in Augustus Evangelical Lutheran Church at Trappe, New Providence Twp, Montgomery Co: 17 Dec1760 Vol II: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Donna, > > You will get inundated again! That is so generous of you to offer. I > have three stone walls: > > 1. Daniel LANDIS born 10/27/1803 somewhere in PA but first found in > Chester Co on septenniel census of 1842 in E Nantmeal. Lived in > Warwick > Twp. Died in N Coventry. Was aa farmer on 1850 Census in Warwick and a > carpet weaver. Buried in St Peters UCC Church in Knauertown. Died > 4/7/1878. Married Elizabeth JONES abt 1835. Firstt child William > was > age 12 on 1850 Census born abt 1838. Looking for birth parents of > Daniel LANDIS and marriage date to Elizabeth JONES, dau of MARY DUGAN > JONES, who was dau of Joseph DUGAN of E Nantmeal. > 2. Anna Maria NEUKIRCH born in Robeson, Berks Co 3/8/1770 according to > computer list of marriages/deaths at Schwartzwald Churc. Married > GEORGE > MOHR on 9/27/1789. Can't find her father. Could be Conrad Neukirch > or > Johannes. Name spelled NEWKIRCK, NIEKIRK, NEUKIRCH. > > 3. father of Zenas SAVAGE of Coventry, born about 1763, married to > Catherine BOYER. Had 11 children. Could be George SAVAGE or 'Sin' > Sawny SAVAGE. Savages were in Phila, Berks and Chester Co. Three > brothers in eary 1700, Samuel, George, John. Samuel was involved in > Pine Forge with RUTTER. Looking for George SAVAGE married Hannah > OTTINGER in 3/1765 in Phila Co. Could have been born in 1740s. > > Thank you so much. > > Diana

In a message dated 03/05/2000 11:27:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, PAMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << If you do not have the information from "Hartzell-Price Family History" I may be able to add some information on the family of John H. Hartzell. >> Glenn, Do you have anything in your resources of a John HARTZELL (Hartzle/Hartle) who married Isabella DAVIS, daughter of Thomas and Margaret DAVIS. I don't have dates, but Isabella was born c1775?--that's just a guess based on her father's birth around 1750. The family was in Hatfield, and Thomas and Margaret attended Montgomery Baptist. Thanks, Edie

Hi, The email address we have for the list admin: n_hensley_2000@yahoo.com is bouncing. Will the list admin please contact Vicki Lindsay Thauvin (vicki@rootsweb.com) so we know you are still maintaining this list. Thanks! List members, not to worry. Probably just an email problem. Vicki Lindsay Thauvin RootsWeb Staff vicki@rootsweb.com

I am new to this site, and I am a descendant of - Johan Georg Kocher - Johann Heinrich Kocher - Henry Kocher Jr. - George Washington Kocher (b. 9 Jul 1790, prob Northampton Co.; d. d. abt 1858, Mercer Co.) I have a gap in my knowledge of George W. and his first marriage. Can someone out there perhaps help me? George's first wife's name was Mary (perh. Keiler), and she was from around the Phil. area. One account states that they had 3 children - perhaps 2 sons who died in the Civil War, and a daughter, Christina. I think perhaps the George in the 1830 census, from Spring Garden, Philadelphia, might be my George. I have located one son from his first marriage (Edward) and I have the info from his Pension records. He was b. 23 Jun 1825 (where??) and he married Caroline Wentzel 30 Jun 1850 in Trinity Reformed Church, Pottstown. They had 4 children: (Mary E., b. 17 Oct 1850; George W., b. 30 Sep 1852; Sarah Amanda, b. 4 Feb 1855; and Matilda, b. 10 Jul 1857) I do know that Caroline and George W. were still living in Pottstown in 1906 (her address was 630 Lincoln Ave). Abt 1835, George W. was in Mercer Co, PA, m. to Elizabeth First/Firster/Furst. I am a descendant of that marriage. (But what happened to his first wife, and his children?) I see, from reading the queries that there is a Pottstown Historical Soc. Could I please have the address, or does someone have access to their records, church records or cem. indexes and would be willing to do some research for me. I would gladly pay you for this. I wonder if my George ever lived in Montgomery Co, if there is any info about his first wife, such as when she died, where she is buried, and info on the other 2 children from that marriage. Thank you. Freda Saiger, f&hsaiger@networksplus.net

Naturalization records are kept there, as well. I hope they weren't touched! Marian

Mary D. If you do not have the information from "Hartzell-Price Family History" I may be able to add some information on the family of John H. Hartzell. Also, the descendants of his daughter Hannah who married Henry K. Myers are listed in the "Moyer Family History" p. 367. Glenn in Lititz, PA

Please unsubscribe me. Second request! -----Original Message----- From: PAMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com <PAMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: PAMONTGO-D@rootsweb.com <PAMONTGO-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, March 05, 2000 3:28 AM Subject: PAMONTGO-D Digest V00 #79

Debbie, This is not the way you unsubscribe. There is a different e-mail address. I'm not sure what it is for Digest Mode but Rootsweb has instructions. In a message dated 3/5/00 12:26:11 PM Mountain Standard Time, debbiew@accessatc.net writes: > Please unsubscribe me. Second request! > -----Original Message----- > From: PAMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com <PAMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: PAMONTGO-D@rootsweb.com <PAMONTGO-D@rootsweb.com> > Date: Sunday, March 05, 2000 3:28 AM > Subject: PAMONTGO-D Digest V00 #79 >

No this is not a joke. However, the fire was in Suitland not at Pennsylvania Ave. in D.C. where the census records are kept. I don't mean that they do not keep valuable records in Suitland at all. They are the kind of records that people use when researching for a book, or really digging deeply into their own genealogy. I used them once when I found a letter discussing a Civil War relative of mine. I had an appointment with a Civil War specialist. I couldn't figure out who signed the letter and the specialist didn't even have to think twice. He knew and told me quite a bit of what the letter was concerning. It was very interesting. They had the registers that detailed when he was hired and how long he worked there and his pay. But if I had not been given the letter I would never have been there in the first place. Incidentally, he worked for the Census Dept. - the Bureau had not been formed then. So while any loss of records is serious, it is not as bad for us as if the census had been destroyed - . Mary Lou

--part1_b7.1360c96.25f30cec_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone heard about this? or is this a joke? --part1_b7.1360c96.25f30cec_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <PACARBON-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (rly-zb02.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.2]) by air-zb02.mail.aol.com (v69.17) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:20:27 -0500 Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) by rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (v69.17) with ESMTP; Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:19:50 -0500 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA12829; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 06:18:40 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 06:18:40 -0800 (PST) From: irishsun@ptdprolog.net Message-ID: <38BFC964.4F3931BC@ptdprolog.net> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:17:08 -0500 Reply-To: irishsun@ptdprolog.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: "PASCHUYL-L@rootsweb.com" <PASCHUYL-L@rootsweb.com>, "PACARBON-L@rootsweb.com" <PACARBON-L@rootsweb.com>, "alhn@rootsquest.com" <alhn@rootsquest.com>, "pagenweb@onelist.com" <pagenweb@onelist.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PACARBON] A very sad day for genealogists Resent-Message-ID: <37aPGC.A.GHD.8m8v4@bl-11.rootsweb.com> To: PACARBON-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: PACARBON-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <PACARBON-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/271 X-Loop: PACARBON-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: PACARBON-L-request@rootsweb.com National Archives Statement on Records Center Fire U.S. Newswire 1 Mar 15:39 National Archives and Records Administration Statement on Records Center Fire To: National Desk Contact: National Archives Public Affairs, 301-713-6000 WASHINGTON, March 1, /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following is a statement from John W. Carlin, archivist of the United States, on the Feb. 29 Records Center Fire: Yesterday (Tuesday, Feb. 29), the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) reported a fire in its Washington National Records Center in Suitland, Md. The fire was contained by the Center's fire-safety system and extinguished with no reports of harm to staff or visitors, but some records were damaged. The following is an update on that from Archivist of the United States John Carlin. Although much work will be needed before we can be certain, we believe that of the total of more than 3.7 million cubic feet of records at Suitland, approximately 3,000 cubic feet were in the immediate area. Of those, fewer than 300 cubic feet may have been destroyed. Most of the affected records were wet or damp from sprinkler water or in singed boxes. Our staff at Suitland stayed up through last night making valiant efforts to protect records from water damage and otherwise dealing with the fire's effects, working with personnel from the General Services Administration, from which we lease the facility. The cause of the fire is as yet undetermined. Because the property is Federal, the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms as well as GSA fire investigators were notified. As the investigation continues, the following is what we know about the fire so far. The sprinkler alarms were activated at 2:30 p.m. Tuesday, and alerted the GSA Control Center that there was a problem. The first fire company arrived sometime between 2:45 and 2:50. A fireman on the scene was overcome with smoke at which point firemen abandoned Stack 15 to open the roof hatches to vent the smoke. This process apparently took approximately one hour to accomplish before the firemen returned to Stack 15 to begin to extinguish the fire. The sprinkler system contained the fire during the period between 2:30 and 3:50 at which point the firemen were able to enter the stack. At 8:13 p.m. the firemen on the scene felt that the fire was sufficiently extinguished to allow the investigation to begin in the stack. Our tracking system enabled us to identify the records on the shelves affected by the fire, and agencies whose records may have been affected have been notified. But we won't be able to identify exactly which records have been affected and how seriously until the investigation of the area is completed and we can examine the materials more closely. I will provide further information as it becomes available. ------ For further information, contact the National Archives public affairs staff at 301-713-6000. -0- /U.S. Newswire 202-347-2770/ 03/01 15:39 Copyright 2000, U.S. Newswire --part1_b7.1360c96.25f30cec_boundary--

I would also the list of Brick Wall sites. thanks ahead of time

Looking for information on Santman/Sassman. Samuel Santman who married Elmira Gaw in Phila. Pa. 1866. Samuel was a coach maker, Elmira was living in Phila, and a widow at the time of this marriage. Any information appreciated. Jim Gaw, having fun in the sun in southern Arizona. Email: gawlair@azstarnet.com

I have hit a brick wall with Andrew Stubanas b. Nov. 14, 1829 in Baden, Germany. He married Anna Reyer/Royer in 1854 in Montgomery Co. Pa. I am trying to find his parents. He and Anna are buried in St. Paul's Cemetery in Red Hill, Pa. I wrote to St. Paul's but they can't find their records. They said they are in the basement but have no idea where to look. I even tried the Lutheran Church Archives in Phila. but they have no listing for the marriage. He died in 1899 so I can't send for a death certificate. I found an Andreas Stubanus b. Nov. 14, 1829 in Baden, Germany who came to the U.S. in 1852 and died in the Civil War. We think this is the same person but that he used a substitute to take his place in the Civil War. I have Andreas's parents and siblings and would like to find out if they are the same person. I would appreciate any suggestions on where to look now for his parents. Thanks for any help you can give me. Marge Stubanas Elliott

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------A6B95FFB705522F9EA98B9D7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------A6B95FFB705522F9EA98B9D7 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <38BD4C85.468C87BB@citrus.infi.net> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:59:50 -0500 From: R Wayne & Mary L Deaves <wamadeav@citrus.infi.net> Reply-To: wamadeav@citrus.infi.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com" <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Hartzel & Wolford Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looking for descendants of John H. Hartzel, b. 7 Apr 1800, Pa., mar Hannah Wolford., b. 11 Mar 1804, Montgomery Co., Pa. Their children all believed to have been born in Montgomery or Bucks Co., Pa. John Hartzel Catherine Hartzel, b. 25 Jan 1831, mar Abraham Auchy Hannan Hartzel, b. 20 may 1837, mar Henry K. Myers David Hartzel, b.2 Jan 1842, Mar Mary Ann Snyder Lovina Hartzel, mar Henry Housekeeper Mary Hartzel, mar Jeremiah Groff Appreciate info on any of above people. Mary D. in Florida --------------A6B95FFB705522F9EA98B9D7--