Many thanks to all for the help re Flourtown. Now what do I do? My gr grandfather was buried in Old Cathedral Cemetery on Feb. 1, 1896. I obtained this information from his death certificate from the Philadelphia Archives. No Section, No Range, No Lot number, No grave number were on the certificate. Wanting to obtain a "lot survey", in other words, to find out exactly where he is buried, and who else might be buried with him, I obtained from the Catholic Cemeteries office what the phone person refered to as a "genealogy form". The form requires that I fill in all of the above blanks - section, range, lot, grave number, (if known) , or without that specific information my request for a Burial Record cannot be processed. Any records the family may have had regarding the above information disappeared decades ago. Any suggestions on how I would go about getting the required information? Or does your experience tell you that if I just send in the date of burial and his name, that the Catholic Cemeteries Office will pull up the information? Or will I have to plow through the Philadelphia cemetery returns for that date? I can get a film from the LDS but what a daunting task. Since it is the Old Cathedral Cemetery, would I look for "Cathedral Cemetery" or for "Old CAthedral Cemetey"? I'm tempted to send them the $15.00 required and write in "unknown" on section, range, lot, grave number. So, what do I do now? Ruth in GA.

Donna Hull's email supplier will not accept email from a .edu Joan To: Donna Hull <dmhull@frazmtn.com> cc: From: Joan Frizzell/Nursing/LaSalle Date: 03/21/2000 05:20:33 PM Subject: Re: Falkner Swamp book Hi!! Donna, I only copied the first few pages of the book. It is in the Schwenfelder library in Pennsburg. I have recently learned that my great grandmother was a descendent of one of the early Pastors, Rev John Philip Leydich. His daughter Catherine married Philip Miller. Their son John Miller (1783-1839) married Mary Heebner Nyce. Their son Absalom Miller (1834-1892) is the father of my great grandmother, Emma Jane (Jennie E.) Miller. I know nothing further about Philip Miller other than he married Catherine Leydich. Actually what started me on the genealogy quest was the fact that Absalom Miller and his wife Catharine are buried with Jacob and Mary Ann Hunsberger. However, I cannot find a link between these two families. Have a great day. joan Donna Hull <dmhull@frazmtn.com> on 03/21/2000 12:13:18 PM To: frizzell@lasalle.edu cc: Subject: Falkner Swamp book Hi-- I was wondering if by chance you saw or copied anything for Jacob Miller who m. Margaret Miller c1726, with their children b. during the next 20 years, Jacob, George, John, Christian, Henry, Barbara & Catherine. I don't think the records start quite that early but in case you saw something, I thought I'd ask. I haven't been able to find what church was close enough for them to go to before the Falkner's Swamp Reformed. Donna -- dmhull@frazmtn.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I've searched my family tree-- And apparently, I don't exist! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi Ruth! I don't know exactly what your original request was, sometimes I think I may not be receiving all the email on the mailing list. Anyway, I am not aware of any other Flourtown but the one in Montgomery Co. (Zip 19031) You also mentioned a quarry - Corson's Quarry located on Joshua Rd. in Flourtown. Hope this will be some help to you. - Peg

I know there is a 'Flourtown' in Montgomery County, in Upper Dublin Township. However, when I first started hunting for the elusive quarry, I was told that my gr grandfather lived in 'Flourtown' The LDS computer pulled up 'Flourtown' AND as being in Blockley Township in the 17th and 18th century. Blockley was evidently on the main road across the river, and in what is now West Philadelphia. Very near the line with Delaware County. To the best of my knowledge, gr grand lived his adult life in the general Spring Garden district in the mid-1800's The book reference only referred to 'Flourtown' in that context once. And I sat there and read the whole thing on the computer screen!! Does anyone know anything about a 'Flourtown' in the Spring Garden or Blockley areas of Philly? Ruth in GA

Hello Montgo Listers! I am searching for the ancestors of John Benjamin Rishel born in Swedeland, Montg. Co., Sept. 17, 1884 and died April 2, 1949. John married Mary ROCKETT on June 28, 1905. There were three children: E. Ruelma, C. Armour and DeLorme F. I am told John B.'s father was also John and I believe his middle initial was "A". This John married Rachel RISELL. I know John Benjamin had two brothers and three sisters: 1. Benjamin - Left home at 17 and never heard from. 2. William - Married Emily EMERY 3. Ruth - Married Thomas FERRIER 4. Tracey - Married James Howard FRENCH 5. Jessie - Married a HOMSHER If you have come across any of these families in your research, I would be very grateful for any information you could pass along or direct me to. I have not been able to find any information on John Benjamin's ancestors, nor do I know what area his father may have been from prior to his marriage to Rachel. Thank you for your time and interest. Peg

I'm Looking for the parents of Abraham LIGHTKEP from Upper Dublin Montgomery Co. Pa. 1 Abraham LIGHTKEP ---------------------------------------- Birth: 29 Sep 1815 Death: 4 Feb 1885, Soudertown Pa, Occ:   Stone Mason Reli:   Jarrettown Unighted Methodist Jarrettown Montgomery co. Pa. Spouse: Eliza F. FENTON Birth: 7 Feb 1823 Father: Randal FENTON (1792-1865) Mother: Maria HOLGATE (1797-1874) Marr:   1 Feb 1844 Children:       Mary Jane (1844-1914)         Maria H. (1847-)         Amanda E. (1848-)         Randal F. (1850-)         Adelaide W. (1855-)         Annie Z. (1855-)         John H. (1857-)         William R. (1884-) 1.1 Mary Jane LIGHTKEP ---------------------------------------- Birth: 27 Dec 1844 Death: 2 Nov 1914 Burial: Jarrettown Unighted Methodist Occ:   Shaw Weaver(1870) Reli:   Methodist Spouse: Henry Edward FRITH Birth: 14 Jan 1848, Leicestershire, England Death: 29 Oct 1927, Philadelphia Pa. Father: Edward FRITH (1810->1890) Mother: Elizabeth BROOKES (1811-) Marr:   27 Mar 1869, Germantown Philadelphia Children:       William Edward (1872-1948)         Charles Henry (1871-)         Mary Jane (1870-) 1.2 Maria H. LIGHTKEP ---------------------------------------- Birth: 22 Jan 1847 Spouse: Gustav BUCKLER Marr:   10 Nov 1872 1.3 Amanda E. LIGHTKEP ---------------------------------------- Birth: 6 Oct 1848 Resided at Martinsburg, Blair co. Pa. Spouse: Augustus MEGARGEE Marr:   2 Sep 1869 1.4 Randal F. LIGHTKEP ---------------------------------------- Birth: 13 Nov 1850 Resided at Chanler, Lincoln co. OK Spouse: Rebecca SHUMAN Birth: 14 Feb 1858 Death: 14 Jan 1931, Kendrick, Lincoln, OK Marr:   5 Mar 1885 1.5 Adelaide W. LIGHTKEP ---------------------------------------- Birth: 22 Sep 1855 Resided at Eureka, Montomery co. Pa. Spouse: J. Warren CARVER Marr:   30 Oct 1872 1.6 Annie Z. LIGHTKEP ---------------------------------------- Birth: 23 Apr 1855 Resided at Dreshertown Spouse: George B. SHAFFER 1.7 John H. LIGHTKEP ---------------------------------------- Birth: 27 Mar 1857 Resided at Dreshertown Pa. Spouse: Kate ANDERSON Marr:   27 Dec 1882 1.8 William R. LIGHTKEP ---------------------------------------- Birth: 30 Oct 1884 Jarrettown Montgomery co. Pa. Spouse: Annie WILLARD Index ANDERSON         Kate   spouse of 1.7 BUCKLER         Gustav spouse of 1.2 CARVER                 J. Warren       spouse of 1.5 FENTON                 Eliza F.       spouse of 1 FRITH                 Charles Henry   child of 1.1         Henry Edward   spouse of 1.1         Mary Jane       child of 1.1         William Edward child of 1.1 LIGHTKEP         Abraham 1         Adelaide W.     1.5         Amanda E.       1.3         Annie Z.       1.6         John H. 1.7         Maria H.       1.2         Mary Jane       1.1         Randal F.       1.4         William R.     1.8 MEGARGEE         Augustus       spouse of 1.3 SHAFFER         George B.       spouse of 1.6 SHUMAN         Rebecca spouse of 1.4 WILLARD         Annie   spouse of 1.8 Phila. Surnames: CANNON-L@Rootsweb.com CLIFFORD MCKIERNAN-L@Rootsweb.com FRITH -L@Rootweb.com Eng>U.S.>Phila. YATES Eng. HERION Germ>U.S.>Phila BROUGHTON-L@Rootsweb.com SHEPHERD LIGHTKEP HERTEL Germ>U.S.>Phila HOLGATE-L@Rootsweb.com FENTON-L@Rootsweb.com GALLAGHER-L@Rootsweb.com DOUGHERTY-L@Rootsweb.com LEVERING-L@Rootsweb.com TUNIS (TUNES) THOMAS BOKERS (BOEKERS) BROOKES HENRY RICHARDSON-L@Rootsweb.com LUKEN KLINKEN ANDERHEIDEN (HEIDEN) VANDERWALLE BRAVIERS STURGIS

Ruth, Thank you for all the useful information on the church archives and their addresses, it will come in handy for many of us. Betty Burdan

My copy/paste left out : Episcopal Church Diocese of PA Headquarters 240 S. 4th St. Philadelphia PA 19106 Jewish Archives Center at Balch Institute18 S. 17th St.Philadelphia, PA 19119 Latter Day Saints Mr. William J. Lennox 721 Paxton Hollow Place Broomall, PA 19008 Lutheran Theological 7301 Germantown Ave. Philadelphia, PA 19119 Mennonite Information Center Germantown Mennonite Church 6117 Germantown Ave. Philadelphia, PA 19114 Ruth in GA

Can somenone explain to me what is the difference between "Lutheran Church", "Evangelical Lutheran Church", "Evangelical and Reformed Church" . Not the theology, but are they each different denominations from the other two? And the same question is applied to the varieties of German Reformed ; Dutch Reformed, etc. type churches. and denominations. Would they each have a central depository for records? It would help my [and everyone else] search for birth, baptismal, marriage, burial, cemetery records. Does the Presbyterian Church in America hold the records or -- does each church congregation hold its own records?

Catherine, There are 29 different Lutheran denominations, of which the 2 you mentioned are a part. The Evangelical and Reformed denomination merged with the Congregational Christians in 1956 creating the United Church of Christ. It is possible that includes the German Reformed Church, altho some congregations might not have merged. The Dutch Reformed Church name is Reformed Church of America. Norman Vincent Peale comes from that denomination. There is also a Christian Reformed Church. These 2 are a product of a split. Hope this helps. Jeanne -----Original Message----- From: catherine r. buck <buckr@mindspring.com> To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, March 19, 2000 3:50 PM Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] church denomination differences >Can somenone explain to me what is the difference between "Lutheran Church", >"Evangelical Lutheran Church", "Evangelical and Reformed Church" . Not >the theology, but are they each different denominations from the other two? > >And the same question is applied to the varieties of German Reformed ; Dutch >Reformed, etc. type churches. and denominations. > >Would they each have a central depository for records? > >It would help my [and everyone else] search for birth, baptismal, marriage, >burial, cemetery records. > >Does the Presbyterian Church in America hold the records or -- does each >church congregation hold its own records? > > > > >==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== >List owner ndwilson@swbell.net > >============================== >Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. > >

This is the first time I've tried pasting. Hope it works. These addresses were given to me at the Montgomery County Historical Society. I can't vouch for the "up-to-datedness". My file copy is in a table form. Unfortunately, it didn't paste that way Ruth in GA CENTRAL RELIGIOUS DEPOSITORIES OF SOME CHURCHES, PENNSYLVANIA American Baptist Historical SocietyP.O. Box 851Valley Forge, PA 19482 Historical Society of the Philadelphia Conference of the Methodist Episcopal Church326 New St. and 235 N 4th St.925-7788 Church of the Brethren Rev. Ronald Lutz6611 Germantown Ave.Philadelphia, PA 19144 The Moravian Archives43 West Locust St.Bethlehem, PA 18018 Archdiocese of Philadelphia Archives c/o St. Charles Seminary 1000 East Wynnewood Rd.Overbrook, PA 19096(215) 667-2125 Presbyterian Historical Society425 Lombard St.Philadelphia, PA 19147 Episcopal ChurchDiocese of Pennsylvania Headquarters240 S. 4th St.Philadelphia, PA 19106(215) 627- 6434 Dutch Reformed now the Reformed Church in America Each congregation holds its own records. Most Philadelphia congregations are now in the suburbs except:Talmage Memorial Fourth Reformed ChurchRev. Barry A. Traver1552 Seville St.Philadelphia, PA 19128 Historical Society of the Evangelical and Reformed Church in the U.S.Lancaster, PA 17604 German ReformedLancaster Theological Seminary555 West James St.Lancaster, PA 17603 Friends (Quakers)Quaker CollectionHaverford College LibraryHaverford, PA 19041 AND Friends Historical LibrarySwarthmore CollegeSwarthmore, PA 19081 Schwenkfelder LibraryPennsburg, PA 18073

Mary and Gene, I live (right now) not too far from the TENNIS/LUKENS family cemetery, and recently went there to take photos of the LUKENS names specifically. There are many TENNIS family names from Ambler, not too far from this plot. And I personally know some of the still living Lukens from the area. Some of the stones were hard to read, others weren't' too difficult. If you are interested, I will put the photo's up on a website for you to see them. Vince Summers is also looking into this family (LUKENS) as he is the one I took the photos for. Perhaps he knows the connections you are seeking. Barbara > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] LUKENS - WIDNER - WEBER Families > Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 11:26:04 -0500 > From: R Wayne & Mary L Deaves <wamadeav@citrus.infi.net> > To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com > > Gene, Gould the Joseph Lukens, Executor of the will of George Widner, dated 8 > Mar 1764, have been Joseph Lukens, b. 14 may 1739, d. 7 Nov 1814, father of Tacy > Lukens, b. 25 Sep 1764, d 1814, mar abt1790 to Jacob Weber, b. 27 Nov 1757, d. > 1831. The dau of Jacob Weber and Tacy Lukens was Susannah Weber, who mar Jessie > Deaves. Jacob Weber was the son of Nicholas Weber, b. 1726, d. 1805 and > Susannah Eaton. Nicholas Weber was the son of Chrustian, son of Nicklaus, son > of Simon, son of Blausius, son of Marxus. > > Hopefully names and vitals are correct. > > Thanks, Mary Deaves in Crystal River, Florida > > Gene Rooks wrote: > > > In Abstracts of Philadelphia Wills, there is one George WIDNER, Yeoman of > > Gwynned, Co. of Philadelphia, Will Book N116. Will dated Mar. 8, 1764, > > proved Mar. 20, 1764. It names wife Margaret, children Abraham, Elizabeth, > > and Catharine. Executors are Joseph LUKENS and Jacob WENTZ, and witnessed by > > Mathias and Abraham LUCKENS. > > Gwynned Twp.(WIDNER Family) is adjacent to Worcester (WENTZ > > family) and Towamencin (WEBER family) Twps., and there are many other > > interactions between the Wentz, Lukens, and Weber families. An Elizabeth > > WEIDNER married Christian WEBER, Jr. of Towamencin in 1765, just a year > > after George's death. I have searched the records diligently and find no > > other Weidner/Widner family in such close proximity to the Weber family. > > I believe Elizabeth mentioned in George's will is the wife of Christian > > WEBER. > > Now I am curious as to the LUKENS connections, Joseph is executor, and > > Mathias and Abraham witnesses. Usually people who accept this > > responsibility, especially at a mans's > > death-bed, which this was, are related somehow. Could Margaret, the wife > > of George WIDNER, have been a LUKENS? I know Abraham LUKENS, son of Jan, > > had a daughter Margret born in 1727. I would appreciate hearing from > > anyone on any of these families, especially the WIDNER/WEIDNER family. > > Gene Rooks in Gotha, Fl. > > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > > Support Rootsweb with a donation it will be used to keep > > this Genealogy Resource online. > > http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

There is not one "Lutheran Church." It would be almost impossibe to determine what the actual denominational affiliation of a special church would be without checking with its staff. So in most cases, you will need to contact the church and ask who holds their records. Lutheran churches are especially confusing. The Lutheran denominationas - as well as the Reformed - originally were differentiated by nationality. About 15 years ago most of the liberal Lutheran denominations merged to form the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. The conservative ones - such as the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod - are still separate. I would bet that a "Evangelical and REformed Church" was started by immigrants who came from Germany in the mid- or late 1800s. In the early 1800s, the German Lutheran and Reformed church basically merged and many took that name. >From: "catherine r. buck" <buckr@mindspring.com> >Reply-To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com >To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] church denomination differences >Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:43:38 -0500 > >Can somenone explain to me what is the difference between "Lutheran >Church", >"Evangelical Lutheran Church", "Evangelical and Reformed Church" . Not >the theology, but are they each different denominations from the other two? > >And the same question is applied to the varieties of German Reformed ; >Dutch >Reformed, etc. type churches. and denominations. > >Would they each have a central depository for records? > >It would help my [and everyone else] search for birth, baptismal, marriage, >burial, cemetery records. > >Does the Presbyterian Church in America hold the records or -- does each >church congregation hold its own records? > > > > >==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== >List owner ndwilson@swbell.net > >============================== >Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. >http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Gene, Gould the Joseph Lukens, Executor of the will of George Widner, dated 8 Mar 1764, have been Joseph Lukens, b. 14 may 1739, d. 7 Nov 1814, father of Tacy Lukens, b. 25 Sep 1764, d 1814, mar abt1790 to Jacob Weber, b. 27 Nov 1757, d. 1831. The dau of Jacob Weber and Tacy Lukens was Susannah Weber, who mar Jessie Deaves. Jacob Weber was the son of Nicholas Weber, b. 1726, d. 1805 and Susannah Eaton. Nicholas Weber was the son of Chrustian, son of Nicklaus, son of Simon, son of Blausius, son of Marxus. Hopefully names and vitals are correct. Thanks, Mary Deaves in Crystal River, Florida Gene Rooks wrote: > In Abstracts of Philadelphia Wills, there is one George WIDNER, Yeoman of > Gwynned, Co. of Philadelphia, Will Book N116. Will dated Mar. 8, 1764, > proved Mar. 20, 1764. It names wife Margaret, children Abraham, Elizabeth, > and Catharine. Executors are Joseph LUKENS and Jacob WENTZ, and witnessed by > Mathias and Abraham LUCKENS. > Gwynned Twp.(WIDNER Family) is adjacent to Worcester (WENTZ > family) and Towamencin (WEBER family) Twps., and there are many other > interactions between the Wentz, Lukens, and Weber families. An Elizabeth > WEIDNER married Christian WEBER, Jr. of Towamencin in 1765, just a year > after George's death. I have searched the records diligently and find no > other Weidner/Widner family in such close proximity to the Weber family. > I believe Elizabeth mentioned in George's will is the wife of Christian > WEBER. > Now I am curious as to the LUKENS connections, Joseph is executor, and > Mathias and Abraham witnesses. Usually people who accept this > responsibility, especially at a mans's > death-bed, which this was, are related somehow. Could Margaret, the wife > of George WIDNER, have been a LUKENS? I know Abraham LUKENS, son of Jan, > had a daughter Margret born in 1727. I would appreciate hearing from > anyone on any of these families, especially the WIDNER/WEIDNER family. > Gene Rooks in Gotha, Fl. > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Support Rootsweb with a donation it will be used to keep > this Genealogy Resource online. > http://www.rootsweb.com > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

I am looking for Pine Swamp Emanuel as I have been told I have ancestors buried there. Is there anyone on the list that can help me locate this church and or cemetery (address/phone #)? Where might I find the church/cemetery records? I live out of state so I would prefer to have contact directly with the church/cemetery in stead of the Chester Co. Archives or Hist. Soc. unless they are the only ones who have the information I'm seeking. Thanks in advance, Terry

Does anyone have a list of who is buried there? I am looking for an Esther K MOHR(MOORE) BUSH b abt 1838) married Christian BUSH. She was my gr2grandmother's sister. Dau of Elias N MOHR and Mary B KERST of Union Twp, Berks Co. Diana

In a message dated 03/18/2000 11:25:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, Tismerhere@aol.com writes: << St. Peter's Lutheran Church does have its own cemetery. The address is 3025 Church Rd., Lafayette Hill, PA 19444. Part of the cemetery is located just next to the church, the other part is located across the street. This could be the reason for the Barren Hill vs Lafayette Hill locale. I do know the boundary is right there. Perhaps too, the boundary has changed through the years. Hope this helps. - Peg >> Peg, Thanks, I have been looking in Philadelphia and just discovered it is in Montgomery County. Joan

St. Peter's Lutheran Church does have its own cemetery. The address is 3025 Church Rd., Lafayette Hill, PA 19444. Part of the cemetery is located just next to the church, the other part is located across the street. This could be the reason for the Barren Hill vs Lafayette Hill locale. I do know the boundary is right there. Perhaps too, the boundary has changed through the years. Hope this helps. - Peg

In Abstracts of Philadelphia Wills, there is one George WIDNER, Yeoman of Gwynned, Co. of Philadelphia, Will Book N116. Will dated Mar. 8, 1764, proved Mar. 20, 1764. It names wife Margaret, children Abraham, Elizabeth, and Catharine. Executors are Joseph LUKENS and Jacob WENTZ, and witnessed by Mathias and Abraham LUCKENS. Gwynned Twp.(WIDNER Family) is adjacent to Worcester (WENTZ family) and Towamencin (WEBER family) Twps., and there are many other interactions between the Wentz, Lukens, and Weber families. An Elizabeth WEIDNER married Christian WEBER, Jr. of Towamencin in 1765, just a year after George's death. I have searched the records diligently and find no other Weidner/Widner family in such close proximity to the Weber family. I believe Elizabeth mentioned in George's will is the wife of Christian WEBER. Now I am curious as to the LUKENS connections, Joseph is executor, and Mathias and Abraham witnesses. Usually people who accept this responsibility, especially at a mans's death-bed, which this was, are related somehow. Could Margaret, the wife of George WIDNER, have been a LUKENS? I know Abraham LUKENS, son of Jan, had a daughter Margret born in 1727. I would appreciate hearing from anyone on any of these families, especially the WIDNER/WEIDNER family. Gene Rooks in Gotha, Fl.

Hi List, I sent this to the wrong e-mail address so here it is again. I received a death certificate from the Philadelphia City Archives that states the person was buried at St. Peter's Ch., Barren Hill. Does this church have a cemetery or is there another cemetery nearby? Thanks Joan