This is just a thought but Catholics always like a person to be given the name of a Saint - perhaps that's were the Joseph comes from. It sounds like it was added as an afterthought on the death cert. - after they remembered he was newly baptised! I'm not a Catholic but I never heard of a St. Bartine. Mary Lou

My Francis Harner lost a leg and had to get a wooden one. I don't know if that was his regiment, but I'm pretty sure he was in Infantry. His descendants went to Berks Co, but I can post his family both places? -----Original Message----- From: Betty J. Burdan [mailto:bjburdan@ptd.net] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 10:10 PM To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] Co. H 68 Regt PV Inf. Hi listers, I found a web site the descendents of members of Co. H. 68 Regt PV Inf. might be interested in or as they were called "Scotts Legion". It's a relatively new site, just a few months old and they are looking for you. Site address is: http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/ScottLegion/68thPennsylvaniaHomepage.htm Col. Andrew Tippen of the 68th is buried at the Pottstown Cemetery, East End, along with a great many members of the 68th, so I know there has to be descendents out there who could join in the discussion and find something of interest. Betty Burdan ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode then e-mail PAMONTGO-L-request@rootsweb.com or PAMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in message. ============================== Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. http://pml.rootsweb.com/ Brought to you by RootsWeb.com.

Betty, I descend directly from the Royers as well, and the Boyers, so I am just going to have to get those lines out there. I don't have working modem at home and my husband won't replace it until I get moved to DC this summer and get a whole new PC w/all those goodies. At work I have access to Internet a short time at lunch to apply for jobs our agency has at DC. Needless to say, I hit Rootsweb too! I'll be alone in DC since my husband had to move in with his mother in Portsmouth, Va when she had a stroke in December. So I will enjoy my Email "cousins" and helping them get their lines connected back to the original Harner immigrants. Up there I'll have subway to National Archives/DAR and hope to get into it in a big way to keep from dying of loneliness. My furtherest back HARNER immigrant I can PROVE in census records is Jacob and Mary (DEHAVEN) HARNER who had my Amos DeHaven Harner born 1849 and buried in Reading 1896 (married Mary Eliz Boyer) dau of John BOYER who md Anna WERTZ and granddaughter of Isaac BOYER who md Eliz ADAIR. I belong to the Boyer and DeHaven organizations as well and can send them queries. I do not know of a Royer organization, but I have most of those records from New Hanover and Upper Salford records back to John Michael Royer who md Maria Cath Schneider. I show them both born in Europe but md in Pa about 1743. Need any of those lines? I also have the Freyer line in New Hanover but am still working on the Hilbert/Hilboar? who md into Freyers via Henry Freyer buried there 1813. I have the Steinrucks who md Eliz Susanna ROYER. My mother was a Swavely, so I have that line back to the immigrant, Hans Adam Schwably but not much on the wives in that Pa Dutch line. If you are interested in any particular line, I can bring that folder to work w/me tomorrow and put out there whatever I can or Email you personally from home and let you decide what to put out there for others. Just let me know, Margaret Barnes Stroud in Norfolk, Va -----Original Message----- From: Betty J. Burdan [mailto:bjburdan@ptd.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 8:11 AM To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PAMONTGO-L] Co. H 68 Regt PV Inf. Marge, I have one Harner at the Pottstown EE Cemetery, Harry H. Harner (d.10-6-1890) Civil War vet, enlisted 4-8-1862 discharged 4-8-1865, Co. G. 19th Regt. US, he was a Musician. I found his marriage record at Emmanuel Lutheran Church, on 1-9-1869 he married Sarah Emma Royer. Sarah (d.11-16-1922) is buried with Harry at the EE. There are an abundance of Harners and Boyers in this area......as a matter of fact my mailing address is Boyertown, PA. I have Harners in my ancestry. Hope your modem gets repaired soon. Betty ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== List owner ndwilson@swbell.net ============================== The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Dear Folks, I am not particularly looking for any BOYER at this time. I am not that closely related, and I have sufficient information for all my purposes. Nevertheless, just in case they are connected to those researching the name, I wish to provide the data I have for your perusal: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/u/m/Vincent-E-Summers/index.html Click on Descendants of Adam BEYER. Vince

Marge, I have one Harner at the Pottstown EE Cemetery, Harry H. Harner (d.10-6-1890) Civil War vet, enlisted 4-8-1862 discharged 4-8-1865, Co. G. 19th Regt. US, he was a Musician. I found his marriage record at Emmanuel Lutheran Church, on 1-9-1869 he married Sarah Emma Royer. Sarah (d.11-16-1922) is buried with Harry at the EE. There are an abundance of Harners and Boyers in this area......as a matter of fact my mailing address is Boyertown, PA. I have Harners in my ancestry. Hope your modem gets repaired soon. Betty

Betty, My modem is broken and I cannot access the web from home or at work except at lunch. But if you know anyone in Pottstown that has Boyer or Harner family, I have a lot on them and would be happy to share by computer or snail mail. Thanks for letting us know about it, Marg -----Original Message----- From: Betty J. Burdan [mailto:bjburdan@ptd.net] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 10:10 PM To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] Co. H 68 Regt PV Inf. Hi listers, I found a web site the descendents of members of Co. H. 68 Regt PV Inf. might be interested in or as they were called "Scotts Legion". It's a relatively new site, just a few months old and they are looking for you. Site address is: http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/ScottLegion/68thPennsylvaniaHomepage.htm Col. Andrew Tippen of the 68th is buried at the Pottstown Cemetery, East End, along with a great many members of the 68th, so I know there has to be descendents out there who could join in the discussion and find something of interest. Betty Burdan ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode then e-mail PAMONTGO-L-request@rootsweb.com or PAMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in message. ============================== Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. http://pml.rootsweb.com/ Brought to you by RootsWeb.com.

Roland, I sure would like a look at those pictures. The folks over at the 168th site mentioned in my previous message have a photo and they are trying to determine or confirm if it is a photo of Col. Tippen. Tell me everything you know about the Stitcher Lodge, like where is it. I live about 7 miles from Pottstown. Actually the East End has never been the official name of the old section of the Pottstown Cemetery, although I've found obituaries going back to the 1890s that referred to it as the East End. You are right, it is in the north end of town, but the cemetery is on both sides of Hanover Street the old section is on the east side of Hanover and the newer section is on the west side of Hanover. That's how they got the names East and West ends. Betty Burdan

Betty, This cemetery is between Hanover and Charlotte Streets. That's more North End than East End to me. Is that what it's offically called? You might also want to have a look at the Past Masters Gallery at Stichter Lodge. There are quite a few Civil War veteran's pictures there. Andrew Tippin was a member Stichter as was John R. Brooke, William Auchenbach, William Hobart (of Hancock's staff) and a host of others. Roland Morris "Betty J. Burdan" wrote: > Bill, > > Would this be your H. C Feger? This is the information on the headstones > for the Feger family at Pottstown East End Cemetery, Section C, Lot 135 > ......(or our new reading in section 3, Row 31). > The information in italics is from the Norristown office of the Department > of Veteran Affairs. > > 17 - 18. FEGER, Monument > (1) FEGER, Maurice E. (1853-1943) (2) FEGER, Hiram C. > (1821-1903) [military] > (3) FEGER, Mary A. (182?-1875) (4) FEGER, Letitia > V. (1849-1941) > (5) FEGER, Fanny BOYD (1855-1895) (6) FEGER, John Thompson > (1848-1850) > Initial and individual stones: W.E.F. L.T.F., John, > Father, Mother, Fanny > [DVA-Norristown, FEGER, Hiram C. (1821-1903), Sec. C, Lot 135, Civil War > veteran, enlisted 8-25-1862 discharged 2-14-1863, Co. H 68 Regt. PV, 1st > Lt., Reference: Bates Vol. 2, p. 691] > > Betty Burdan > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Support Rootsweb with a donation it will be used to keep > this Genealogy Resource online. > http://www.rootsweb.com > > ============================== > The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Tens of millions of individuals... and counting. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Bill, Your membership count is a little off. I'm not sure where you heard that but there are quite a few more than 149 members. Hiram C. Feger was a member and Past Master of Stichter Lodge and the lodge does have a picture of him. He was also veteran of the Civil War. If you tell me what you're looking for I'll put you in touch with someone who can get you the information. Roland Morris Pottstown, PA > Does any one know of this lodge. I have the following info. H.C.FEGER - Past > Master of Stichter Lodge, #254 Pottstown, Montgomery Co.. This charter for > this lodge was granted March 3rd, 1851. It now has one hundred and > forty-nine members. I would be interested in obtaining any records and > pictures. I thank you for your time and effort. Bill < lookn4@schat.com > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe first check and see if you are getting list or digest mode then e-mail PAMONTGO-L-request@rootsweb.com or PAMONTGO-D-request@rootsweb.com with unsubscribe in message. > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/

Bill, Would this be your H. C Feger? This is the information on the headstones for the Feger family at Pottstown East End Cemetery, Section C, Lot 135 ......(or our new reading in section 3, Row 31). The information in italics is from the Norristown office of the Department of Veteran Affairs. 17 - 18. FEGER, Monument (1) FEGER, Maurice E. (1853-1943) (2) FEGER, Hiram C. (1821-1903) [military] (3) FEGER, Mary A. (182?-1875) (4) FEGER, Letitia V. (1849-1941) (5) FEGER, Fanny BOYD (1855-1895) (6) FEGER, John Thompson (1848-1850) Initial and individual stones: W.E.F. L.T.F., John, Father, Mother, Fanny [DVA-Norristown, FEGER, Hiram C. (1821-1903), Sec. C, Lot 135, Civil War veteran, enlisted 8-25-1862 discharged 2-14-1863, Co. H 68 Regt. PV, 1st Lt., Reference: Bates Vol. 2, p. 691] Betty Burdan

Hi listers, I found a web site the descendents of members of Co. H. 68 Regt PV Inf. might be interested in or as they were called "Scotts Legion". It's a relatively new site, just a few months old and they are looking for you. Site address is: http://members.xoom.com/_XOOM/ScottLegion/68thPennsylvaniaHomepage.htm Col. Andrew Tippen of the 68th is buried at the Pottstown Cemetery, East End, along with a great many members of the 68th, so I know there has to be descendents out there who could join in the discussion and find something of interest. Betty Burdan

Y'all are the greatest. Now I have many avenues and details on how to solve a puzzle, thanks to you who took the time to answer. When I opened that envelope and saw the "Joseph", my heart sank into my shoes. With time and unaccustomed patience I'll find the details. the devil is in the details. no pun intended. Ruth in GA

Does any one know of this lodge. I have the following info. H.C.FEGER - Past Master of Stichter Lodge, #254 Pottstown, Montgomery Co.. This charter for this lodge was granted March 3rd, 1851. It now has one hundred and forty-nine members. I would be interested in obtaining any records and pictures. I thank you for your time and effort. Bill < lookn4@schat.com >

Hi. Has anyone have any experience in asking the Archdiocese of Philadelphia for information on who it was who paid for a burial plot in Old Cathedral Cemetery in 1896? The mystery is as follows: My gr grandfather Bartine (no one ever called him anything else) BATES lived with his daughter and son-in-law at the time of his death. (My grandparents). They were quite young when he died in 1896, and probably didn't own any cemetery lot or plot. And I'm quite sure Bartine didn't either (he never had more than two nickels to rub together). They all lived in the close vicinity of Old Cathedral Cemetery. When I obtained Bartine BATES death record from the city of Philadelphia, his name in flowing script was given as Bartine BATES. In what is obviously an afterthought, the letter "J" was squeezed in front of his name on the same line. Today I received an answer from the Archdiocese to my inquiry about who all is buried in the same plot with ----- Bartine Bates. The answer came back as "Joseph" BATES. Same date. That's the answer to the "J" Bartine was not baptised as a Catholic when he was born. My grandfather, however, was a Catholic. At my age, I'm quite sure that in 1896 the church wasn't about to bury Bartine in their cemetery unless he'd been baptised as a Catholic. So, how do I find out who paid for the lot where BARTINE BATES is buried, and how do I find out if he wasf baptised on his death bed. Or maybe his son-in-law bent the truth a little to get Bartine buried as close as possible with as little effort as possible. I'd like to be able to properly document that "Joseph" BATES and "J" Bartine BATES are the same fellow. Ruth in GA

Mary Magdalena Wolford, b. 1798, d. 27 Oct 1888. She mar Jacob Reed and had 8 children. Need the vitals on Jacob Reed and the children: 1. Sarah Reed 2. John Reed 3. Jacob Reed 4. Edward Reed 5. Jonus Reed 6. Louise Reed 7. Henry Reed 8. Sophia Reed Any and all help on this family greatly appreciated. Mary Deaves

Hello List. I am wondering if there are any Grist Mills left standing in Montgomery County. My great-grandfather Michael Adam Klein was a "miller" by trade. In 1880 he moved his family to Upper Marion Twp. in Montgomery Co. The census lists him as a miller, as well as my grandfather William Wieder. The family did not remain in the area for more than a year. So if there are any Grist Mills left in the area, I would appreciate knowing about them. Perhaps I could do some research on them. Thanks Anna in AZ

Judy, How True! Anna, a displaced Pa Dutch person in AZ

I received the following from my sister in the Morgantown, PA, area and thought you would enjoy this. I currently live in upstate NY, but spent the first 18 years of my life in the Berks County area. Judy You know you're from PA if: 1. You have an uncontrollable urge to buy bread and milk when you hear the word "snow." 2. You say the correct pronunciation LANG-kist-er instead of the mispronounced Lan-CAST-er, and LEB-en-in instead of the equally-incorrect Leb-a-NON. 3. You know the only way to make good fastnachts is to cook them in LARD. 4. You live within two miles of a plant that makes potato chips, corn chips, pretzels, candy, or ice cream, or that packages turkeys, beans,or bologna. 5. You ask the waitress for "dippy eggs" for breakfast. 6. You do things "once," as in "I'll go check in the back room once." 7. You can stop along the road to buy fruits, vegetables, or crafts onthe "honor system." 8. You know what REAL pot pie is. 9. YOUR turkey has "filling," not "stuffing," and most certainly, NOT "dressing." 10. You know that chicken corn soup from a fire house is the most nearly perfect food on earth. 11. Your neighbors' names are Driebelbis, Stoltzfus, Lebo, Peachey, Yoder or anything ending in "-baugh or -ouch." 12. You say things like, "Outen the lights," "I'm calling off today," and "They're calling for snow." 13. You've heard of distelfinks and hex signs. 14. Red Beet Eggs makes your list of top ten favorite foods. 15. You pronounce "Suite" as SUIT, not SWEET. 16. You say you're going out to the shed "AWHILE," instead of "FOR AWHILE." 17. You only buy your beer and soda by the case. 18. You think the roads in any other state are smooth. 19. You know the Penn State cheer. (WE ARE...PENN STATE!) 20. Hearing horses clopping down a paved street doesn't bring you to the window to see what's going on outside. 21. You never see any Confederate Flags, except on the Gettysburg Battlefield. 22. You prefer Hershey's Chocolate to Godiva. 23. You consider Pittsburgh to be "out west," and you know the fastest way to Philly is the Turnpike. 24. School closings due to snow take the radio stations a half an hour to finish, because just about every town has its own school district. 25. When someone says 1972, you think "Agnes," and when someone says1979, you think "TMI." 26. You call sloppy joes "barbecue." 27. You think Medium Rare equals Well Done. 28. When it snows, they put cinders on the roads instead of sand. 29. You can give directions to Intercourse with a straight face. ________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail you don't need Web access to use -- Or get full, reliable Internet access from Juno Web! Download your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagh. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I went to the FHC today to try and find Christian Derr (b 1744 ca) on a film I had ordered. Didn't find him, but found the following, which might help somebody out there, hopefully!. The columns didn't line up here like I had them in the original document, but the first date is the birth date, and the next is the baptism date. "A History of the Lutheran Church in New Hanover, Montgomery Co., PA", by J. J. Kline - FHC Film #0384547 Baptisms - pg. 311 Date Birth Baptized Parents 313, 315 Derr, Anna Catharine ? Jan. 17, 1748 Johannes and Anna Maria Derr, Anna Maria April 4, 1816 Nov. ?, 1816 John and Anna Maria Derr, Catharina May 21, 1795 July 26, 1795 Johannes and Margaretha Derr, David July 14, 1809 Nov. 19, 1809 John and Maria Derr, David et Jonas Feb. 16, 1810 Nov. 4, 1810 Henrich and Catharina Derr, David Stefen Dec. 26, 1857 July 17, 1858 Johannes and Mary Derr, Dieter June 6, 1817 June 15, 1818 Samuel and Margretha Derr, Elisabetha May 5, 1751 May 26, 1751 Jacob and Margaretha Barbara Derr, Hannah Matilda Oct. 1, 1858 Oct. 17, 1858 David and Sarah Derr, Johannes July 15, 1753 Aug. 26, 1753 Jacob and Margaretha Barbara Derr, John Jan. 2, 1837 May 14, 1837 David and Sarah Derr, Johann Heinrich Oct. 2, 1757 Nov. 27, 1757 Jacob and Margaretha Derr, Mary Ann June 24, 1844 Oct. 6, 1844 David and Sarah Derr, Maria Barbara Oct. 2, 1747 Oct. 11, 1747 Jacob and Maria Margareth (Sponsers Melchior Derr-Maria Barbara) Derr, Sara Dec. 2, 1802 Jan. 10, 1803 Henrich and Catharina Derr, Samuel June 6, 1830 Aug. ?, 1830 Johathan and Sarah Dorr, Henrich Feb. 2, 1778 April 20, 1778 Johann & Maria (Sponser Margareth Dorr) Dorr, Johannes Jan. 30, 1778 April 20, 1778 Samuel Schuler & Elisabeth Dorr (Illegitimate) (Sponsers Johann Dorr and wife. Durr, Johann Michael July 13, 1745 July 21, 1745 Jacob and Anna Margaretha Durr, Anna Maria Oct. 31, 1750 Mar. 17, 1751 Melchior and Barbara Durr, Catharina Sept.. 6, 1775 Oct.. 29, 1775 Johannes and Maria (Sponser Peter Roschow) Durr, Johann Heinrich Feb. 16, 1749 April 9, 1749 Melchior and Barbara (Sponsers Jacob Durr & Margaretha) Durr, Margaretha May 3, 1761 June 7, 1761 Jacob and Margaretha Barbara Durr, Margareth Barbara Mar. 19, 1747 Mar. 22, 1747 Melchior and Barbara (Sponsers Jacob Durr & Margaretha) Duyer, Henrich Feb. 3, 1794 Sept. 21, 1794 Thomas and Catharina Turr, Johannes April 29, 1774 May 23, 1774 Johannes and Maria Marriages Derr, David & Sarah Schick Jan. 14, 1836 Derr, Frederick L. & Rebecca Haas Aug. 27, 1864 Derr, Jacob & Elizabeth Imbody Oct. 20, 1839 Derr, Jonathan & Salome Kless Sept. 3, 1826 Derr, William & Elizabeth Fry Dec. 15, 1844 Dorr, Heinrich & Catharine Schneider May 9, 1802 Durr, Andreas & Magdalena Rieger Apr. 6, 1755 Durr, Jacob & Margaretha Barbara Schlagel Nov. 20, 1745 Durr, Melchoir & Anna Barbara Hilbart Nov. 20, 1745 Lorraine in CA

Hours at the Historical Society of Montgomery Co., Pa. are: Monday thru Friday - 10 a.m. to 4 p.m., Tuesday, 1 p.m to 9 p.m. "William A. Collins" wrote: > Carole > > I didn't see a reply, so will let you know on the Lansdale Historical > Society....there is a fair sized library there, but they are only open on > Wed. afternoons. Probable that you would find most of the material at the > Montgomery Co. Historical Society library, which I would judge to be about > five times or more larger. > > Tried to get MCHS hours on their web-site but it's down. > Historical Society of Montgomery County > 1654 DeKalb Street, Norristown, PA 19401 > 610/272-0297 > > Don't forget that a lot of Montgomery Co. material is in the Historical > Society of Penna. http://www.libertynet.org/pahist/ > > Open to members and the public: Tuesdays, Thursdays, Fridays, and Saturdays > from 10:00 a.m. to 4:45 p.m. (no admissions after 4:00 p.m.), Wednesdays > from 2:00 p.m. to 8:45 p.m. (no admissions after 8:00 p.m.). The Society is > closed Sundays, Mondays, and major holidays. The daily admission fee for > non-members is $5.00 > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Faust, Carole [mailto:CFAUST@mail.montcopa.org] > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 8:31 AM > To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [PAMONTGO-L] Research in Montgomery County > > Carole *3441 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carol Cummings [mailto:cumincl@erols.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 11:26 PM > To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] Research in Montgomery County > > I'm planning a trip to Norristown next week to try to research some > ancestors. Could somebody on the list answer the following questions? > 1. What are the hours of the Montgomery County Historical Society on DeKalb > St.? > 2. There is a Wissahickon Valley Historical Society in Blue Bell and a > Lansdale Historical Society in Lansdale. Do they have libraries or > collections of material, or are they just societies that hold meetings and > correspond? If they do have libraries, does anyone know their hours? > 3. I am assuming the County archives, Historical Society, and the PA Room > of the Norristown Public Library will be my main resources. Are there any > other societies or places I could check for information on people living in > Whitpain township - Center Square in the 18th century? > > Thanks in advance, > Carol Cummings > cumincl@erols.com > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Support Rootsweb with a donation it will be used to keep > this Genealogy Resource online. > http://www.rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Support Rootsweb with a donation it will be used to keep > this Genealogy Resource online. > http://www.rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Support Rootsweb with a donation it will be used to keep > this Genealogy Resource online. > http://www.rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi