Ref: Town and Country Newspaper Pennsburg, Montgomery County, PA Saturday - June 27, 1903 MIDNIGHT HORROR George WHITE, the alleged assailant of Miss Helen S. BISHOP, the Wilmington school girl, who was assaulted on last Thursday afternoon, was taken from the New Castle county work-house, at New Castle, early on Monday evening, and burned to death by a mob of infuriated citizens from the vicinity of Miss BISHOP's home. There were about 5000 people in the party, and no attempt was made at concealment. The guards were overpowered, and a rush was made for the cell where WHITE was confined. He shrieked and struggled, and bit the nose off one of the party. WHITE was taken to an open square a short distance from the work-house and tied to a stake, while boxes saturated with coal oil were set on fire. The police were powerless to withstand the assaults of the mob. The negro struggled to break loose from his bounds, but the mob surrounded him, and jeered and hooted at his struggles to free himself as the flames began to creep upon him. After the human bonfire with its gruesome sight had been burned to the ground, the mob dispersed in an orderly manner. The first attempt to lynch WHITE was made Sunday morning. Two mobs were organized, but for some reason failed to meet, and were defeated in detail by the guards of the workhouse, who were re-inforced after the first attack. The second of these Sunday morning mobs was led by a negro, and there were many blacks in the two small mobs, which numbered in all probably 175 men. It was not believed that the mob would make a second attempt after their failure of the previous day. The crime for which the negro was lynched was the brutal murder of Miss Helen S. BISHOP, the 17-year-old daughter of the Rev. E.A. BISHOP, on Monday last. The girl died as the result of her injuries the following day. Miss BISHOP was unconscious when found. She remained in that condition until she died, and for that reason the negro was not taken before her for identification. Rev. BISHOP and other members of the dead girl's family deprecated every suggestion of mob violence and repeatedly urged that the law be permitted to take its course. Rev. Robert A. ELWOOD, pastor of the Olivet Presbyterian church, Wilmington preached a sensational sermon on Sunday evening in which he advocated lynch law, saying, after having pictured the crime and appealing to the judges to reverse their refusal to order a speedy trial of the negro: "And, honorable judges, if you do not hear and heed these appeals, and that prisoner should be taken out and lynched, then let me say to you with a full realization of the responsibility of my words, even as Nathan said to King David of old, after his soldiers had killed Uriah, 'Thou art the man,' so I would say to you the responsibility for lynching would be yours for delaying the excention of the law. "Should the murderer of Miss BISHOP be lynched? Yes; but only under one condition, and that is this: If his trial shall be delayed until September, and then, though he be proven guilty, through some technicality of the law or any undue influence upon either judges or jury, he be not given capital punishment, then the citizens of the State should arise in their might and execute the criminal and thus uphold the majesty of the law." THE DEATH LIST George ZERN, of New Hanover township, near Anise, who resided with his son Abraham for the past seven years, died of apoplexy and other infirmities incident to old age, on Wednesday night, aged 87 years. His wife and one son, John, preceeded him in death. His is survived by two sons, Abraham, of Anise, and Daniel, of West Point. The following brothers and sisters also survive: Rev. Jacob ZERN, of Harrisburg; Charles ZERN, of Frederick; Mrs. John SCHWENK, of Limerick, Mrs. Jeremiah BENDER, of Niantic; Mrs. Reuben LANDIS, of Collegeville, and Mrs. Lovina GRUBB, of Pennsburg. The funeral will be held on Tuesday forenoon at 9 o'clock, at the home of his son Abraham. Interment at the Falconer Swamp Reformed church. Rev. G.W. ROTH officiating. Alice GEPHARD, daughter of Warren GEPHARD, of Ringing Rocks, died last Saturday of scarlet fever and was buried at the Lutheran church, at New Hanover. Rev. J.J. KLINE, of Pottstown, officiating. A child of Mr. and Mrs. John HUNTER, of near New Berlinville, aged three years, died and was buried at Hill Church, on Monday. Rev. H.W. WARMKESSEL, officiating. A child of Mr. and Mrs. Frank B. DOTTERER, of Hill Church, was buried on Thursday. Rev. H.W. WARMKESSEL, of Reading, officiating. Mrs. B.C. KRATZ, wife of B.C. KRATZ, of Bergey, died Monday a week ago and was buried last Sunday. The funeral was held at the Franconia Mennonite Meeting house. Infant daughter, of Mr. and Mrs. Harry STOUDT, of Milford Square, died and was buried on Sunday. Funeral services and interment at Blue Church. Daniel MEITZLER, a well known resident of Long Swamp died and was buried at St. Peters church near Harlem. The funeral services were conducted by Rev. O.R. FRANTZ, of Old Zionsville. The infant child, of Mr. and Mrs. John R. MASTER, of Fullertown, died and was buried at Salem Church near Sigmund on Friday. The infant son, of Mr. and Mrs. James M. RAUB, of Washington D.C. was buried at Huff's church on Thursday. Rev. Eli KELLER, of Allentown, officiated. BRAKEMAN'S FALL A well known employe of the Philadelphia & Reading Railway, living at Bridgeport, at a late hour on Saturday night, met with terrible injuries on the Plymouth Branch, that ended in his death at Charity Hospital shortly after the ambulance had conveyed him to that institution. The victim was Frank GAYNOR, aged 29 years. His train was standing not far from the Conshohocken station and as it pulled out he stepped from the bumper and fell upon the rails. The wheels mangled him in a terrible manner, but he was alive when the train crew reached him. The ambulance was called to the scene and the young man taken to the hospital but his agony ended as he reached that place. The dead man held a position on the road for about a year as brakeman. The body was taken to the deceased's home. FELL FROM LADDER AND BROKE LEG Mrs. Amos B. OBERHOLTZER, of Bechtelsville, while picking cherries on Monday morning, accidentally fell from the ladder, which tilted, and broke her left leg near the hip joint. Dr. L.Y. LECHNER was called and gave the limb surgical attention. MAN INJURED BY BICYCLE John MILLER, proprietor of the Miller Brick Works, met with a serious accident early Thursday morning while on business in Phoenixville. He was walking along the pavement and was run into by a bicycle and knocked out over the curbing. He was picked up unconscious and after regaining consciousness he managed to get home as quickly as possible. On his arrival at home medical aid was hastily summoned, on examination it was found that he sustained severe injuries about the head and body and one rib was found to be fractured. He is confined to the house and will have to keep himself quiet for some time. The name of the bicyclist who did such reckless riding on the pavement is unknown at present.

Sorry Betty, none are showing in the will abstracts thru 1784-1823. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 4:58 PM Subject: Re: PAMONTGO-D Digest V03 #214 > Diana, > Do you have any Eitel, Eidel (Idle) names in your Montgomery Will book? > Betty T. >

Diana, Do you have any Eitel, Eidel (Idle) names in your Montgomery Will book? Betty T.

Sarah Can you please be more specific about who you need info for? You have a long list of surnames! How about some first names and dates to go with them! These are the only items for SEASCHOLTZ/var in the Montgomery Will Abstract book: David SEASCHOLTZ, New Hanover 1/21/1800 filed 6/20/1818 book 5.68 estate to be sold. Exec: son Jacob Wit: Daniel Hoffman David SEESHOLTZ witnessed will of Magdalena Renninger, Upper Hanover, dated 10/22/1822. Admin estate for Lawrence SEESHOLTZ filed 11/23/1808 by Jacob and John SEESHOLTZ, admins. (No town shown) Diana in AL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Swisher" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:25 PM Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] SUSZHOLZ, SUSSHOLTZ, SEASHOLTZ, SEESHOLTZ > Related names: BERNDT, BITTING, BORNEMAN, DIEHL, DIETRICH, FINCK, > FRYLING, GINGERER, GREISINGER, LIESER, MULL, REIFFSCHNEIDER, REINHEIMER, > SELL, SPARE, YEAKEL, YERGER, YETTER, ZIMMERMAN > > Please let me know if you have any info on the above family. They were > mostly in Upper Hanover Twp., and in Hereford, Berks Co., from 1730's > into the 1800's. > > Txs, Sarah > > ______________________________

Hello Dan, I notice you are researching the DeHaven family - I have a number of DeHaven's in my data base beginning with Peter DeHaven m. Sarah Hughes - their son Hugh married Sarah Holstein b. 1755 d/o Mathias Holstein & Magdaline Hulings. Hugh DeHaven & Sarah Holstein even named one of their sons Lindsay Coates DeHaven after my Lindsay Coates husband of Rachel Holstein (sister of Sarah Holstein/DeHaven). Lindsay Coates & his wife Rachel Holstein had a daughter Rachel b. abt. 1787 who married a Smith (possibly named Nathaniel or Nathan) and that is my brick wall. I have no problem documenting the son of Rachel Coates/Smith (Charles M. Smith b. 1816 PA) - and documenting her/their ancestors is a dream but her Smith husband is proving too elusive to pin down. Let me know if I can offer you any DeHaven data (the more the merrier when it comes to searching family groups), Susan Daniel J. Kane wrote: >Diana and Susan: > >Let me add my thanks to you both for these fine postings of wills, >especially when they are loaded with so many surnames. To be part of a >family that's connected to the POTTS, RAMBO, and SHENLINE/SHAINLINE families >is like winning the trifecta. Good luck on knitting them all with the >HOLSTEINs. > >Dan in the Windy City >Searching WHITEHEAD, KNEZEL, DAVIS, WARD, DeHAVEN, TREICHLER, BEAM, and >MANLEY in Upper Merion Township, 1838-1925. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "DIANA QUINONES" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 6:09 AM >Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] Mathias Holstein family in Montgomery co. > > > > >>Susan, >> >>In Montgomery Will Abstracts, there is this: >> >> > > > >>>I was wondering if there is anyone else on the list interested in the >>>early Holstein family of Montgomery co. PA. :cut: >>> >>> >>==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== >>Make your subject lines meaningful. >> >> >> >> > > > >==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== >Composing your query (E-mail message) >KISS- Keep It Short & Simple > > > >

Diana and Susan: Let me add my thanks to you both for these fine postings of wills, especially when they are loaded with so many surnames. To be part of a family that's connected to the POTTS, RAMBO, and SHENLINE/SHAINLINE families is like winning the trifecta. Good luck on knitting them all with the HOLSTEINs. Dan in the Windy City Searching WHITEHEAD, KNEZEL, DAVIS, WARD, DeHAVEN, TREICHLER, BEAM, and MANLEY in Upper Merion Township, 1838-1925. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DIANA QUINONES" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] Mathias Holstein family in Montgomery co. > Susan, > > In Montgomery Will Abstracts, there is this: > > I was wondering if there is anyone else on the list interested in the > > early Holstein family of Montgomery co. PA. :cut: > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Make your subject lines meaningful. > >

Thank you so much Diana, I am beginning to go cross eyed trying to place the early families in Montgomery Co. PA - it seems if they weren't getting married they were being mentioned in the wills. Aren't the wills a marvelous resource - I can't tell you how many times the data contained in wills have explained away what seemed to be unanswerable mysteries. I appreciate your hard work keeping the list updated on pertinent documents, Susan DIANA QUINONES wrote: >Susan, > >In Montgomery Will Abstracts, there is this: > > >

Related names: BERNDT, BITTING, BORNEMAN, DIEHL, DIETRICH, FINCK, FRYLING, GINGERER, GREISINGER, LIESER, MULL, REIFFSCHNEIDER, REINHEIMER, SELL, SPARE, YEAKEL, YERGER, YETTER, ZIMMERMAN Please let me know if you have any info on the above family. They were mostly in Upper Hanover Twp., and in Hereford, Berks Co., from 1730's into the 1800's. Txs, Sarah

Susan, In Montgomery Will Abstracts, there is this: Jonathan RAMBO, Upper Merion, Book 3.273 will 11/24/1810 proved 12/26/1810 To wife Rachel, all estate and household goods. Execs to sell lot, containing 4 acres adjoining lands of John Hughes. To 2 daughters Catharine and Margaret, and son Jonathan money from lands, divided equally among them, when daughters age 18 and son 21. To 2 daughters , case of drawers, etc. Rem. equally divided among children. Exec: wife Rachel, and brother Peter Rambo, and Matthias HOLSTEIN. Wit: Benjamin Ramsey, Nathan Potts. Sarah RAMBO, Upper Merion Will 3/4/1811, proved 2/13/1815, book 4:119 To sons John and Jeremiah, 5 pds. each. To granddaughter Sarah Stewart, household goods. To dau Hannah, use and profits from estate. TO son John, 10 acres of land, To grandsons James and Robert, remainder of estate. Execs: Matthias HOLSTEIN, and Jacob Shenline Wits: Michael Rambo and Nathan Potts. Holstein, Samuel, Upper Merion, 1/10/1803 Adm to Matthias HOLSTEIN and George HOLSTEIN. John RAMBO, Upper Merion 2/26/1811 Adm to Matthias HOLSTEIN and George HOLSTEIN. Hope this is useful! Diana in AL. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan McIntyre" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 12:18 AM Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] Mathias Holstein family in Montgomery co. > I was wondering if there is anyone else on the list interested in the > early Holstein family of Montgomery co. PA. :cut:

I was wondering if there is anyone else on the list interested in the early Holstein family of Montgomery co. PA. There as been a bit of an off list discussion going on and before I delete the information that was compiled I thought I would post it on the list in case it might help other researchers. Basically the Holstein family information as contained in the online book "History of Montgomery Co. PA " edited by Theodore W. Bean http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/montgomery/beantoc.htm was compared to information offered in the book "Swedish Holsteins in America from 1644 to 1892" by Anna M. Holstein. My feelings were that the "History of Montgomery co. PA" book blended together the information on the two earliest Matts/Mathias Holsteins - which was understandable since they both seem to have had wives named Brita. This is the information as offered in the "Swedish Holsteins" book -- (note - I am not saying that one book is superior to the other - simply that they offer different information which should be noted by researchers who should draw their own conclusions) ------------------ first generation - Matts Hollsten - b. 1644 d. 4/9/1708 buried cemetery at Wicaco married first wife - Brita Gostenburg children - Lawrence - b. 9/15/1677 (married Elizabeth___) Andrew - b. 1/19/1679 Matthias - b. 1/13/1681 (married Brita Rambo 10/10/1705) Frederick - b. 1/13/1684 - d. 4/11/1708 Matts Hollsten married second wife, Katherine, 1688 children - Peter - b. 1/16/1691 - d. 11/1/1706 Henry - b. 3/29/1694 Catherine - b. 1/10/1697 given as proof == 1) correspondence from Rev. Dr. Nicholas Collin to Colonel George W. Holstein offering what I imagine were church records. 2) birth listing from "Pennsylvania Births Philadelphia Co. 1644-1765" by John T. Humphrey 3) will of Matts Holstein dated 12/14/1706 abstract as offered by Ancestry.com - prove date - 24/5/1708 book page - C:97 Matthias Holstein of Persyon, Philadelphia co. Yeoman, December 4, 1706, Children: Lawrence, Matthias, Andrew, Frederick, Peter and Henry. Executrix: wife Catherine. Overseers: William Carter & Peter Mounts ------------------------ next generation -- Matthias Holstein (2nd) - s/o Matts Holstein & Brita Gostenburg b. 1681 Philadelphia, PA d. 1737 married - Brita Rambo in 1705 children - Frederick - b. 1/1/1709 - d. in infancy Brita - b. 1710 Debora - b. 9/5/1714 Andrew - . 4/15/1716 (married Mary Jones) d. 1/3/1762 Matthias - b. 12/2/1717 (married Magdelena Hulings) Mary - b. 4/23/1720 John - b. 3/26/1724 (married Elizabeth) Frederick - b. 2/11/1728 (married Magdalena Jones) Catherine - b. ? Elizabeth - b. ? given as proof == 1) will of Matthias Holstein(2nd) dated 3/17/1736 - 5/1737 abstract as offered by Ancestry.com - book page - F:36 Matthias Houlsteen. Upper Merrion, Philadelphia co. PA, March 17, 1736, F:36, Exec: wife Brichard and son Matthias. Children: Matthias, Andrew, Frederick, Catherin, Debra, Mary, Brichard and Elizabeth. 2) correspondence of Rev. Nicholas Collin --------- next generation -- Matthias Holstein (3rd) s/o Matthias Holstein & Brita Rambo b. 12/2/1717 d. 1768 married - Magdalena Hulings abt. 1744 children - Samuel - b. 1/11/1745 (m. Rachel Moore) Hannah - b. 12/15/1748 (m. Isaac Hughes) Rebecca - b. 10/19/1750 (m. Jesse Roberts) Rachel - b. 1/29/1753 (second wife of Lindsay Coates) Sarah - b. 7/31/1755 (m. Hugh DeHaven) Mary Magdalena - b. 7/11/1758 (1st wife of Septimus Coates) given as proof == 1) will of Matthias Holstein (3rd) as offered on Ancestry.com dated 12/1768 book page - O:306 Mathias Holstein, Phila. Co., Yeoman, 10 Dec. 1768, 28 Dec. 1768, wife: Magdaline, children: Samuel, Exec., Hannah, Rebecca, Rachel, Sarah and Mary. Overseers: Jno. Hughes and Peter Holstein. O:306. 2) various records -------------

Ref: Town and Country Newspaper Pennsburg, Montgomery County, PA Saturday - June 20, 1903 SPINNERSTOWN Mrs. Manoe ROEDER, of Allentown, spent Saturday and Sunday with Mr. and Mrs. Horace ROEDER. N.C. ROEDER spent Tuesday on business in Philadelphia. Mrs. Wm. G. DIMMIG and Miss Maggie DIMMIG spent the fore part of the week at Allentown. Abraham ANGSTATT is having his house painted by Chas. MILLER. GERYVILLE Harry DOLL finished sawing down the woods of J.R. HENDRICKS, on Saturday. A surprise party was tendered Mrs. Harry HARTENSTEIN, last Wednesday evening in honor of her twenty-third birthday. A large number of invited guests were present. Emanuel LEVY is hauling stones for the addition to U.G. LOUX's store. Mr. and Mrs. Henry MILLER spent a few days with Harvey HARING and family, at Hillegass. Mrs. Harry HARTENSTEIN spent a few days with her parents Mr. and Mrs. Oswin KLINE, of Weidner. PERKIOMENVILLE The different parties noticed in town were Charles MESSNER and sons H.R. KNEEZEL and family and Miss Ella SMITH of Gabelsville, Edwin BOLTON and family of Spring House, Fred SMITH of Philadelphia, Katie H. FAUST of Norristown, and Daniel FEGELY and Harry BUCHN from East Greenville. Miss Amanda HUNDRICKS left for a few month Vacation to her relatives and friends. The daughter of Mr. FOX was kicked by a horse on Monday, her wounds were dressed by Dr. H.F. SCHOOL. HEFTY BEEF ANIMALS OF NEAR EAST GREENVILLE George KRAUSS (picture), manager of the Fairview Farm, about one mile north-east of East Greenville, and owned by Thomas J. TRUMBAUER, of Coopersburg, fattened 21 head of cattle during the past winter and managed to reserve fifteen tons of hay for sale. The smallest of the animals fattened weighed 950 pounds and slaughtered 54 pounds to the 100. Another one upped the scales at 1750 pounds and slaughtered 59 pounds to the 100, while the largest, a bull, of which the above is a photograph, weighed 1925 pounds and slaughtered 61 pounds to the 100. This animal was bought on December 1, and sold on May 18. The gain during this time was 550 pounds, or an average daily gain of 3 1/4 pounds. This is a remarkable increase and is not often equalled. HISTORIC CELEBRATION The special program for the celebration of the evacuation of Valley Forge by General Washington and the Continental Army, on June 19th, one hundred and twenty-five years ago, was strictly carried out yesterday. The memorial services were held in the morning at Fort Huntington, Governor PENNYPACKER presiding. The participants being Captain M.F. BEAN, Phoenix Military Band, Bishop Cyrus D. FOSS, Rev. J.W. SAYRES, D.D., Rev. Henry A. HOYT, D.D., Rev. Joseph DUBBS, D.D., Rev. Joseph KROUSKOPF, Rev. Wayland HOYT and a chorus of 500 voices assembled from the Schuylkill valley. At noon the corner stone of a memorial chapel was laid according to Episcopal usages. The chapel is located on land donated by Mr. and Mrs. I. Heston TODD, on the road leading from Valley Forge to Port Kennedy. The afternoon service partook of a patriotic nature. Addresses were made by the following: Hon. Walter S. LOGAN, New York; Miss Adaline W. STERLING, Mrs. Donald MCLEAN and Hon. C. Emory SMITH. Poems were read by Mrs. M.E. THROPP CONE and Prof. Francis Lee LYBERGER. This was one of the grandest patriotic celebrations that our country ever witnessed. The Governors of many of the States were present as well as delegates of patriotic societies from all over the Union. It is estimated that there were more than one hundred and fifty thousand persons in attendance, making it the most magnificent testimonial to the heroes of 1776 in the annals of our history. BEAR TAKES NAP IN COURT A performing bear was sentenced to thirty days in Norristown jail at Bryn Mawr Saturday and to show his contempt for the law he stretched himself out at full length in front of the Magistrate's desk and took a nap. Two Italians own the bear, and they were exhibiting him in the streets of Rosemont, when the trio were arrested under a Lower Merion ordinance. The complaint was made by residents of Rosemont, who declared that the bear frightened their horses, and thus endangered life. The Italians were fined $7.50 each by the Magistrate and promptly refused to pay, whereupon they and the bear were sentenced to the tem of imprisonment. They all spent the night at the Ardmore police station, where a great crowd gathered about the bear. When it was suggested that the bear might have to be sold for the fine, one of the Italians said he would rather die than lose his pet, and both burst into tears whereupon the bear gazed at them and licked his jaws sympathetically. On Sunday the Italians relented, paid the fine and with the bear, departed for more congenial territory.

Ref: Town and Country Newspaper Pennsburg, Montgomery County, PA Saturday - June 20, 1903 HORSE HANGS HIMSELF DURING NIGHT A valuable horse belonging to farmer William TAGERT, of near Sassamansville, strangled himself on Tuesday night. The animal was tied as usual but in some manner he, during the night, drew the neck strap tight and thereby strangled himself. Mr. TAGERT only recently paid $155 for the animal. He had him insured in the Pennsburg Mutual Horse Insurance Company for $90. REMARKABLE BUNCH OF CHERRIES George M. WELKER, of Red Hill, while picking cherries from one of his well-laden oxheart cherry trees, found a cluster of 36 full grown, perfectly ripened cherries on a twig four inches in length. TAKES FIRST TROLLEY RIDE AT 94 Michael SCHWARTZ, of Manheim, Lancaster county, who is 94, took his first trolley ride last week from his home to Lancaster and says he enjoyed the trip. INSANE FROM WORRY John ROSENBERGER, of Lansdale news-dealer is now in Frankford Asylum, Philadelphia, as a result of the factional fight that has been going on among the members of St. John's Reformed church for some months past. Late in May the Rev. J.J. ROTHROCK, who has been pastor of the church for the past eighteen years, was asked by the consistory to resign and Mr. ROSENBERGER was delegated to inform the minister. Rev. ROTHROCK did as the consistory requested, but at a meeting of the congregation, called on June 10th the act upon the matter, it was decided, by a vote of 194 to 57, not to accept the resignation. The members of the congregation were very outspoken at this meeting and freely denounced the consistory. This was, of course, a direct slap by the congregation at the action of the consistory and, to render that disapproval even more emphatic, a vigorous boycott was instituted against some of the consistory who were in business. Mr. ROSENBERGER was one of the first to feel the effects of this move and it is said that he lost many customers, the other newsdealer in Lansdale getting the big boost in his business through the institution of the boycott. This so preyed on Mr. ROSENBERGER's mind that he finally became affected by the worry and became mentally unbalanced. Though not a drinking man Mr. ROSENBERGER, only a few days ago, went to one of the Lansdale hotels and asked for a glass of whiskey. The bartender thought this was rather remarkable but served the order. Mr. ROSENBERGER grabbed the glass, drained it and then hurled it on the floor. Afterward he swept another glass from the bar to the floor and ran out of the door. A watch has been maintained over ROSENBERGER for some days and a week or so ago he was taken to Royersford, ostensibly to go fishing. He finally escaped from the vigilance of his watchers and got away and for a couple of days no one knew his whereabouts. He turned up one afternoon in the office of Dr. BAUMAN, who had never been his physician, and proceeded to smash some of the physician's medicine bottles while he was waiting. Mr. ROSENBERGER was manager of the Lansdale Base Ball Club last year and was prominent among the secret orders of the town, holding high offices in several. For some years he has done an extensive business in Lansdale, taking the business over from his father. The physicians who have the case in charge think that it is possible that Mr. ROSENBERGER will entirely recover, after he has had a few months proper care and attention in the sanitarium. His physical condition is very poor and he needs, according to the doctors, building up before his mind can be expected to regain its normal condition. HOSPITAL SITE BOUGHT The committee appointed by the State Medical Board to choose a site for the State Homeopathic Hospitals has purchased the 209 acres of land about one mile outside of Allentown, overlooking the Lehigh river. This includes the estates of Robert E. WRIGHT, J. Marshall WRIGHT and others. The consideration was close to $40,000. The land has been surveyed and as soon as the topographical map is made it will be sent to Philip H. JOHNSON, architect, who will immediately begin the preparations of the plans of hospitals. KRAUSSDALE MAN HONORED At the commencement exercises held at Muhlenberg College, Allentown, on Thursday, Rev. Prof. Elmer F. KRAUSS was honored with the degree of Doctor of Divinity. Dr. KRAUSS is a son of Mr. and Mrs. Isaac Y. KRAUSS, of Kraussdale, a graduate of Muhlenberg College and at present Professor of New Testament Exegesis at the Chicago Lutheran Theological Seminary. The honor is an honest and sincere worker in the vineyard of his Master. COOPERSBURG WATER PLANT The Borough Council of Coopersburg has awarded the contract for the construction of their plant to Bolton G. COON, of Kingston, Pa., for $18,760. The work is to be commenced on July 1, and finished by November 1, 1903. DOCTOR SELLS PRACTICE Dr. M.H. HERBEIN, who practiced his profession at Applebachsville, Bucks county, for the past 24 years, sold his practice to Dr. Erwin W. SCHOLLENBERGER, of Berks county. Dr. HERBEIN will move to Bethlehem.

Ref: Town and Country Newspaper Pennsburg, Montgomery County, PA Saturday - June 20, 1903 PERKIOMEN ALUMINUS BECOMES BENEDICT Rev. S.M. MUSSELMAN, Perkiomen '98 and stationed in Iowa, as the pastor of the Wayland and Noble Mennonite churches was married on Tuesday evening, June 16, to Miss Minerva LANDIS, of 2541 N. 12st street, Philadelphia, at the home of the bride. Rev. N.B. GRUBB performed the marriage ceremony and Miss Vivian LANDIS, niece of the bride was bridesmaid. Prof. W.K. SEIBERT, of Perkiomen Seminary, a class-mate of Rev. MUSSELMAN was best man. Rev. and Mrs. MUSSELMAN left on Wednesday morning for Niagara Falls where they will stay for a few days and then go to Mayland, Iowa. HOLD-UP NEAR TRAPPE While driving near Trappe on Sunday evening, about ten o'clock, the team occupied by Misses Della and Stella WILE, of Norristown, and escorts was held up. The man who grabbed one of the horses bridle was thwarted in his purpose by the action of the driver, who by vigorously using his whip, caused the horses to dash forward and escape the highwayman. The young ladies have not fully recovered from the shock caused by their narrow escape. COLD STORAGE PLANT FOR BOYERTOWN H.Y. GABLE, flour merchant, is getting up a stock company for the purpose of establishing a cold storage plant on his premises near Boyertown, and is meeting with considerable success. The capital stock is to be $25,000 and work is to start as soon as $20,000 is subscribed. Mr. GABLE heads the list with $5,000 and there are several $500 subscriptions on the list. TEACHERS FOR COLLEGEVILLE ELECTED At a meeting of the board of directors of the Collegeville public school Frank GRISTOCK was elected president, J.M. ZIMMERMAN secretary and F.P. WALT treasurer. The board elected Miss Bertha MOSER to the principalship, Miss Anna EVANS, Limerick, and Miss Mary NEAL, Norristown, were re-elected to the intermediate and primary departments, respectively. FAMILY OF 186 Mrs. Philip DRUMHELLER, of Rossland, Northampton county, who has just entered her eighty-fifty year, has in all probability the distinction of having a larger number of direct decendents than any other person in the State. Mrs. DRUMHELLER has 13 children, 73 grandchildren, 98 great-grandchildren an 2 great-great-grandchildren - or a grand total of 186 persons. VALUABLE HORSE FRACTURED LEG A valuable horse belonging to Clayton FLUCK, of Naceville, fractured his right hind leg, on Saturday. Dr. A.Z. KEELOR, was sent for who placed the horse in slings and put the leg in plaster paris cast. The horse is doing well and is expected to get well. AUTOMOBILE EXPLODES A machine owned by William MOGEE, of Norristown, exploded on Tuesday night while in a shed in the rear of the Hotel Montgomery. The explosion was the result of neglect. The damage beyond the wreckage of the machine was slight. MILFORD SCHOOL TEACHERS The Board of Directors of Milford township, Bucks county, have appointed teachers as follows: Milford Square Grammar School, Miss Emma LOOSE; Milford Square, Primary, Miss Sallie LOOSE; Corners School, Miss Lydia HALLMAN; Brick Tavern, Elmer KEIPER; Union, Liley ERNEY; Steinsburg, Joseph MYERS; Shelly, Miss Corina KEIPER; Geryville, Alvin GRAVER; Roeder's, Howard LINSENBIGLER; Gerhart's, Miss Rosa ERNEY; Benner's, Leidy HEIST. As yet no appointments have been made for Trumbauersville Primary and Grammar, Kline's or Scheetz's schools. MOVED TO THEIR SUMMER HOME Dr. Charles Q. HILLEGASS, the dentist of Pennsburg, on Monday moved with his family to his summer home along the Perkiomen creek. The doctor will however continue the practice of dentistry at the Pennsburg office. He will have charge of the office every Saturday and Dr. Ellis NYCE, of Philadelphia, every Tuesday. Appointments can be made on the D. & A. Telephone, No. 29, or the Keystone No. 10x. INSURANCE LOSS ADJUSTED The Goshenhoppen Mutual Fire Insurance Company, of Pennsburg, this week had several appraisers on the premises of Joseph SCHWOYER, of near Fruitville, who appraised the loss sustained by him through the burning of his barn. The insurance on the barn was $600 and the appraisers agreed to pay Mr. SCHWOYER the full amount. MEETING WITH SUCCESS IN NEW HOME Daniel W. ERB, son of Bejamin ERB, of East Greenville, has opened a Studio of Music in his new home, Logansport, Ind., and since May is serving as organist in a Baptist church.

Ref: Town and Country Newspaper Pennsburg, Montgomery County, PA Saturday - June 20, 1903 DEATH OF NOTED DIVINE Rev. George B. WALBERT (picture) died on Saturday afternoon at 5:15 at the home of his father-in-law, Wm. H. GEHMAN, of Macungie, after a long and painful sickness, aged 40 years. He was born at Macungie, November 7, 1862. He attended the public schools at that place and later the Keystone State Normal School, where he prepared himself College, whence he entered Franklin and Marshall College and was graduated with honors in 1886. After his graduation he entered the Theological Seminary at Lancaster, from which he was graduated in 1889. The Reformed church at Orwigsburg and McKeensburg being vacant at the time, he was elected pastor, where he started out upon active ministry. As a young man he was exceptionally successful as a preacher. At the end of four years he was called to the pastorate of the New Goshenhoppen Reformed church, at East Greenville, succeeding the late Rev. Dr. WEISER. In his new field success also crowned his efforts. He continued to preach until June, 1902, when he was compelled to resign as pastor on account of ill health. The congregation was unwilling to accept his resignation, but realizing that Rev. Mr. WALBERT was physically unable to continue his labors and that God had willed it otherwise, bowed to the inevitable. He was also actively identified with education work and was president of the East Greenville School Board up to the time of his resignation. About five years ago his health began to fail him from an abdominal tumor which steadily grew larger and made heavy inroads upon his health. He and his family then made their home with Mrs. WALBERT's parents. Since September of last year he was unable to leave his room and since November was confined to bed. During his long and painful sickness he was visited by a great many brother ministers. He was conscious and realized his condition up to the end. Deceased was a member of the Masonic fraternity, being a member of Schuylkill Lodge No. 138, Orwigsburg, Pa., which turned out in full force to bury him with Masonic ceremonies. He is survived by his wife and two young daughters, Ruth and Irene. His mother preceded him in death 31 years ago and his father 12 years. Short services were held in Macungie Wednesday evening by T.N. REBER at the GEHMAN home. The funeral was held Thursday afternoon at 1.30 o'clock, at the New Goshenhoppen church, near East Greenville. Rev. Prof. SCHEIDT, of Franklin and Marshall College, conducted the German services and Rev. T.H. LEINBACH, of Swamp church, the English. The remains were taken to the church at 11 o'clock, so as to afford an opportunity for all to take a final view of their beloved pastor. The funeral was one of the Largest every held in this vicinity. Perkiomen Lodge F.A.M., accompanied the Orwigsburg Lodge. The floral tributes were many and beautiful. The following ministers were present: John S. STAHR, D.D.; Isaac STAHR, Thomas H. LEINBACH, J.L. ROUSH, Geo. W. HARTMAN, Jacob J. ROTHROCK, Eli KELLER, D.D.; R.C. SCHIEDT, Ph. D.; O.R. FRANTZ, Calvin M. DELONG, J.E. FREEMAN, C.S. WIEAND, Wm. B. WERNER, Chas. E. SCHAEFFER, Geo. W. ROTH, A.L. TRUXAL, D.D.; Thomas DICKERT, N.Z. SNYDER, D.D.; Wilson F. MORE, Robert KERN, Frank WIEDER, O.S. KRIEBEL, T.O. STEM, Rev. WAGNER, A.S. SHELLY, O.F. WAAGE, D.D.; Thomas REBER, Geo. J. LISBERGER. WOMAN DIES OF SPIDER'S BITE While picking strawberries on Monday, Mrs. Kate PRICE, of Harleysville, was bitten by a spider. Blood poisoning set in and she died on Tuesday. THE DEATH LIST Leidy HOFFMAN, son of Mrs. John HOFFMAN, of Hoppenville, died on Tuesday night, of typhoid fever and was buried at the Huber's church cemetery, on Monday. Rev. KLINE officiating. Katie K. KOLB, of Skippack, died of diptheria, last Saturday and was buried on Sunday. Claud G. TYSON, of Skippack, died of diptheria last Thursday and was buried on Friday. Katie DICE, wife of Jacob DICE, of Mainland, aged 38 years, died on Thursday of last week. She is survived by her husband and two children. Funeral was held on Wednesday. MARRIED TODAY Miss Charlotte ESHBACH, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Robert W. ESHBACH will be married at noon today at the home of her parents to Mr. Ernest LEITENBERGER, of Philadelphia. After July 18, the newly wedded couple will reside at No. 4426, North 18th street, Philadelphia. EMINENT YOUNG DOCTOR FORMERLY OF EAST GREENVILLE TO BECOME BENEDICT Mr. and Mrs. Frank P. REITER, of Rich Hill, Pa., have announced the marriage of their daughter, Miss Emma Linda REITER (picture), to Dr. Eugene Funk MESCHTER (picture), of Trumbauersville, Pa. The wedding will take place on Wednesday, June 24th, at the bride's home. Dr. MESCHTER is the son of Mr. and Mrs. Daniel MESCHTER, of East Greenville, Pa. He graduated from Perkiomen Seminary in 1895, and subsequently studied medicine in the Medico Chiurgical College of Medicine, in Philadelphia, from which institution he graduated in 1898. He practiced for one year in Jefferson county, Pa., and later, during the Spanish-American War, went South with the 201, Volunteer Regiment of New York, as Lieutenant Surgeon. After returning to Philadelphia he was appointed Resident Physician in the Samaritan Hospital, of that city, which position he filled for one year. He subsequently located in Trumbauersville, Pa., where he now has an extensive practice. After a short wedding tour Dr. MESCHTER and his bride will occupy their finely furnished home in Trumbauersville, Pa. GOES TO PENITENTIARY Edward HEISER, alias J.B. GORDON, convicted in the United States District Court, at Philadelphia, on Friday of attempting to work a "green goods" game, was on Saturday sentenced by Judge MCPHERSON to 18 months in the Eastern Penitentiary and to pay a fine of $500. In giving the prisoner the maximum penalty the Judge scored him for his attempt to deceive the jurors and the Court. J. Joseph MURPHY, counsel for the defendant, started to make a plea for clemency, declaring that their were extenuating circumstances in the case, but the Judge impatiently interrupted him. "If HEISER had admitted his offence and pleaded guilty," he said, "there might have been some justification for the Court's mercy. But when the defendant went upon the stand with such an absurd, preposterous story as the one he related in his defense he sacrificed all claim to leniency or consideration." Henry H. LOGAN, colored, of Philadelphia, met GORDON in Allentown. By a clever piece of detective work GORDON was trapped and captured, after a lively chase, the suspect having jumped from a moving Macungie car near Mountainville, when he became suspicious of the colored man.

Thank you for the suggestions. I actually am not even sure if my Nathaniel/Nathan Smith is from PA since the only mention I have found on him is that he is supposed to be the husband of Rachel Coates & father of Charles M. Smith - based on information offered by another researcher. 1) I suspect that he, his wife and child are living in the household of his widowed mother in law (Rachel Coates) in 1820 (based on the 1820 Upper Merion, Montgomery Co. PA census). I'm not sure if he is in the Coates household on the 1810 census or if he was even married to Rachel Coates in 1810 (their son was born in 1816). 2) By 1830 his wife Rachel Coates/Smith is listed as the head of household - her mother Rachel Coates having died in 1829. In the 1840 & 1850 census Rachel Smith is still listed as head of household - she dies in 1853. 3) Most of the Coates family in the area are buried in the graveyard of Christ Episcopal church (Old Swedes) in Upper Merion Twp., Montgomery Co. PA. including Rachel Smith d/o Lindsay & Rachel Coates. This information was given to me by a friend - what I need to do is find out if there is a Nathan/Nathaniel Smith also buried there before 1830. 4) Regarding the movement of/to counties in PA - From what I have discovered many of the early Coates and related families (Peggs & Sisoms) were Quakers in Philadelphia who disagreed with the church on some issues and removed to Bucks and other counties. Some of the later family members changed their religion to Episcopal/Methodist. I have no idea whether or not that also applies to the Smith family. Checking the various online sites I learned that Montgomery was formed from Philadelphia and the records of my group of Coates seem to span between the two counties with some listings in Delaware & Chester Co. I think in my particular case the very early records remained in the Philadelphia area because the Coates family were brickmakers owning land in the area. By the way on the 1820 PA census other than in the household of Rachel Coates (where I think the Smiths were living) there were at least 7 Nathaniel Smiths and 5 Nathan Smiths in various counties. Even basing my search on there being a 4 year old male in the household (there were a few) the rest of the residents were impossible to identify. If only Nathaniel/Nathan had lived into the 1850 census as his wife did I would not be beating my head on the computer screen right now... Susan McIntyre [email protected] wrote: >Susan, >You might try looking for your Nathan Smith in Bucks County census or >other adjacent counties. My Idles are listed in Bucks County 1790 >census, but I find their church records in Montgomery County. >Just a thought. > > > > rayfri wrote: Because most Pennsylvania counties were carved out of other counties or were formed by taking pieces of several other counties, census records and especially church records naming these people may be found in different counties. Also, in the case of church records, families often attended churches across the county line ... In my case, I've found my ancestors in church records across county lines from where they were living .... especially if they lived next to the county line. I have many Friess ancestors who lived in Berks County, but their names are found in church records over in Lehigh County, and in some cases, in Lancaster, York and Union County.... and vice versa.

Hello fellow researchers, It has been several months since I last offered to share some of the more important research items discovered during my study of the Scotch-Irish.  Because of the amount of time required to copy and mail these items I will only be able to do this once a year. ( I make my living selling real estate)  You will find three new items listed below as well as the original items listed in my January post. Rockbridge County, Virginia Notebook, Compiled from Articles by Dr. George W. Diehl as published in the News-Gazette, Lexington, Virginia.  Additional charts and notes have been added as well as a surname index.  Compiled by A. Maxim Coppage III, 242 pages. For a number of years, the late Dr. George W. Diehl contributed historical and genealogical articles to the News-Gazette, Lexington, Virginia, published by M.W. Paxton, Jr.  The clippings from the paper were sent to Mr. Coppage for the "Virginia Collection"  In many instances information may be found showing where families originated in Scotland or Ireland, the places lived before settling in the Rockbridge County, Virginia area and the relationships between various clans or as Dr. Diehl so aptly named this phase of pioneering, "A Rockbridge Seed-box." "A Tribute to the Principles, Virtues, Habits and Public Usefulness of the Irish and Scotch Early Settlers of Pennsylvania," Chambersburg, Pa. Printed by M. Kiefer & Co. 1856, 171 pages. >From the prefece the following:  "The writer of the Tribute contained in this work, had long desired to see from the Historical publications in Pennsylvania, a vindication of the character and principles of the Irish and Scotch early settlers of this great State and their descendants against reproach, as well as aspersion, cast upon them in some modern publications having pretensions to Historical accuracy"....Lots of detail on the early members of the church as well as problems with the Indians and the struggle over land rights during the westward expansion. The Scotch-Irish In The Colonies: 1750-1790 A Thesis Presented for the Degree of Master of Arts by Kathryn R. Aikin, A.B., The Ohio State University, 1933 Contents include Introduction, Early Settlements, Daily Life on the Frontier, Educational and Religious Activities, Military Pursuits, and Political Participation and Conclusion.  Also a GREAT Bibliography, the most important part of any thesis. Listed below are the other books and manuscripts previously offered to the various surname lists that are predominately Scotch-Irish: The Laggan and its Presbyterianism and In the Days of the Laggan Presbytery, 1905,1908, by the Rev. Alexander Lecky, B.A., member of the Royal Sociey of Antiquaries of Ireland, Belfast, Davidson & McCormack, 54 Kings St.  211 pages    On our recent trip to Donegal we met J.B. Shannon, age 90, who assisted in the 1975 reprinting of this book.  He is the last living person who had anything to do with these books and he says they are still the BEST source for Ulster Presbyterian research.  From Lecky I quote, "The lists of names of former generations of Lagganeers, and their places of abode, that are given in the Appendixes, and which NEVER before appeared in print, whilst they may of necessity prove dull reading to those who have no acquaintance with the locality, will not, I hope, be altogether uninteresting to those who bear the same name, or live in the same places..." Fighters of Derry, Their Deeds and Descendants, being a Chronicle of Events in Ireland during the Revolutionary period 1688-1691, by William Young, Eyre and Spottiswoode, London, 350 pages.    One of the most difficult sources to locate, in fact almost impossible.  Months worth of reading and packed with great genealogy.  Contains the following biographical sketches:    1.  The leaders of the County Associations who, with their levies, took part in the preliminary operations and contributed much of the man power for the Defence. 2.  The Apprentice Boys and those responsible for shutting the gates on the 8th Dec. 1688. 3.  The actual Defenders during the 105 day siege (over 1200 genealogical sketches) 4.  Those engaged in the relief of the city A History of the Siege of Londonderry and Defense of Enniskillen in 1688 and 1689, with Historical Poetry and Biographical notes, by the Rev. John Graham, M.A. Rector of Magilligan in the Diocese of Derry.  Includes the Battles of the Boyne, Athlone, and Aughrim and the siege and Capitulation of Limmerick by Lord McCaulay, Toronto, 1869    The historical poems are family genealogies about those who were at Derry and where they came from.  Along with "Fighters of Derry" these two sources contain more actual genealogical information than any others I have seen. Three Hundred Years in Innishowen, Being More Particularly an Account of the Family of Young of Culdaff with Short Accounts of Many Other Families Connected with Them, by Amy Young, 1929, The Linenhall Press, Belfast, 311 pages.    Some of the names included are Young, Hart, Harvey, Cary, Vaughan, McLaughlin, Skipton, Richardson, Knox, Ussher, Smith, Nesbitt, Chichester, Ball, Lawrence, Crofton, Boyd, Stuart and many others. The Laggan and its People, by S.M. Campbell, privately printed. A look at the history of the Laggan (Presbyterian Derry/Donegal) through the eyes of a local historian. Draws on local lore, Abercorn papers, records from PRONI. The Tinkling Spring: Headwater of Freedom, A Study of the Church and Her People, 1732-1952, by Howard McKnight Wilson, 1954, Fisherville, Virginia 542 pages    The best source of information on the Scotch-Irish of Augusta/Rockbridge Counties in Virginia.  Includes the Baptismal Records of the Rev. Craig.  In-depth study of the early families of the Shenandoah Valley. Castle's Woods: Frontier Virginia Settlement, 1769-1799, a thesis presented to the Faculty of the Department of History, East Tennessee State University in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the Degree of master of Arts, by James W. Hagy, 1966, 150 pages.    The most popular of the documents offered, this covers the families who settled in Russell county, Virginia when it was considered the frontier.  If your ancestors came through southwestern Virginia, this document is the history of your family.  Contains information on specific families as well as the farmers, speculators, artisans, and preachers who resided there.  Lots on the Indian battles that were a daily feature of life on the frontier.  Names like Russell, Walker, Porter, Cowan, Houston, Boone, Montgomery, Fraley, Thompson, Anderson, Kilgore, and 50 or so other "Scotch-Irish" families make this an invaluable resource for your family history. The Reverend Samuel Houston, V.D.M., by George West Diehl, 1970, McClure Publishing Co. 125 pages History of the early Virginia Presbyterians through the life of the Rev. Samuel Houston, kin to Sam Houston of Texas fame. The Stirling Merchant Gild and Life of John Cowane, founder of Cowane's Hospital in Stirling, by David B. Morris, Town Clerk, Stirling, Jamieson & Munro, LTD. 1919, 367pages. This is really two books in one.   The first part deals with the Gild. Laws, history, struggle with Unfreemen and with the Crafts, Administration, Merchandising, Conditions of entry, etc. and the second part which is about the life of John Cowane, Dean of the Gild and his contributions to it. Well there you have it.  The best documents I have found.  If you are interested in obtaining any of the above items (I would like to make copies for free but I can't) contact me at [email protected] for  details. Regards, Robert Cowan 525 Harrogate Rd. Matthews, North Carolina 28105

Because most Pennsylvania counties were carved out of other counties or were formed by taking pieces of several other counties, census records and especially church records naming these people may be found in different counties. Also, in the case of church records, families often attended churches across the county line ... In my case, I've found my ancestors in church records across county lines from where they were living .... especially if they lived next to the county line. I have many Friess ancestors who lived in Berks County, but their names are found in church records over in Lehigh County, and in some cases, in Lancaster, York and Union County.... and vice versa. They were Lutheran, but in many cases, their names are found in Lutheran Churches that were several "churches" away from the Lutheran Church nearest their home. Don't know for sure why that is, but it's quite an interesting phenomenon. I believe one reason is that back in the mid 1700s to the early 1800s there were many travelling ministers who would sometimes perform a ceremony and then record it in their "home" church records or personal records, even though it occured elsewhere. Also, they had family members in nearby areas, and would likely attend the church nearest that family member. The main thing that has been most productive is to look at records of counties surrounding the county where you have placed your ancestors... this is, again, because your "home" county was likely formed from a nearby county or counties. Also, an adjoining county may have been carved out of your "home" county... Again, a personal example... some of my Berks County ancestoral records are found in Philadelphia because Berks was once part of the area that included what is now Philadelphia, so some vital and estate records are in Philadelphia while the ancestor lived in what later became Berks County. Ray Friess [email protected] wrote: >Susan, >You might try looking for your Nathan Smith in Bucks County census or >other adjacent counties. My Idles are listed in Bucks County 1790 >census, but I find their church records in Montgomery County. >Just a thought. > >I've been trying to find a John Henry Smith because the name keeps >cropping up in succeeding generations. His (I assume) daughter, >Elizabeth, married into my Kellar family. She had a brother of same name >and named a son after him. Anyone got a John Henry? >Betty T. > > >==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== >Surnames always in capital letters. > > > >

Susan, You might try looking for your Nathan Smith in Bucks County census or other adjacent counties. My Idles are listed in Bucks County 1790 census, but I find their church records in Montgomery County. Just a thought. I've been trying to find a John Henry Smith because the name keeps cropping up in succeeding generations. His (I assume) daughter, Elizabeth, married into my Kellar family. She had a brother of same name and named a son after him. Anyone got a John Henry? Betty T.

Diana: Thank you for looking up information on Deaves/Weber. It was greatly appreciated. Jean

Hello Dan, Oh how I wish I could find another researcher looking for my group of Smiths - a group effort often produces some great results! But from what I can document... 1) Charles M. Smith born 1816 PA was the only surviving son of Rachel Coates born abt. 1787 and Nathaniel/Nathan Smith (no further info on him). 2) Charles M. Smith's first marriage is documented in 1837 Clermont Co. Ohio - where he lived until the late 1860's. 4) His children are well documented and there is no known given name of Frank in the family (he seemed to name his children after his cousins back in PA). 5) Charles M. Smith died in D.C. in 1880 (his second wife having died 2 years earlier). My problem is that I am unable to document Nathaniel/Nathan Smith - other than his listing as father of Charles & husband of Rachel in the book "Swedish Holstein's in America from 1644 to 1891" by Anna M. Holstein. Her research began in the mid 1800's when many early family members were still available to contribute data. I have found a few errors in the book but the majority of the information is amazingly accurate so I am continuing on the assumption that Nathaniel Smith is the Smith I need to find. Where we might be able to connect is if I can break through my Nathaniel Smith brick wall and discover that he is in some way related to your Smiths (Upper Merion does not appear to be that large of an area). I never did find Nathaniel/Nathan Smith listed in any of the Montgomery co. PA census. The Smith's may have lived in the household of Rachel's widowed mother - Rachel Holstein/Coates d. 1829 and in the 1830 census Rachel Smith is listed as head of household. I did find listings for a Charles Smith who possibly could be related to my group of Smiths since the given name Charles is not found in the Coates family so it's possible it was give to honor the Smith side. But until I make some headway on Nathaniel/Nathan Smith I am unable to offer any conclusive connections to any early Smith group. I thank you for letting me know about your Smiths and if you feel I am missing a point/connection please feel free to let me know - I am desperate! By the way Charles M. Smith did have sons who served in the Civil War but for Ohio. Susan Daniel J. Kane wrote: >Hi, Susan: > >Seeing your Smiths in Upper Merion got me wondering if Charles isn't related >in some way (father, perhaps?) to the Frank C. Smith who's buried in Gulph >Christian Cemetery in Upper Merion, along with his wife Isabella. She is a >KNEZEL, sister to Jacob KNEZEL, husband of one of my WHITEHEAD ancestors, >Anna Maria/Hannah WHITEHEAD. >There is a Rachel KNEZEL buried next to Frank and Isabella, with the >inscription "our devoted mother," or something to that effect. Rachel was >70 in the 1850 census and died in the 1860s. Perhaps there is a >COATES/SMITH/KNEZEL/WHITEHEAD connection we can exploit? >Both Frank SMITH and Jacob KNEZEL fought in the Civil War. Jacob died near >Manassas, VA in 1863. > >Dan in the Windy City > > > >