In a message dated 4/12/2005 11:24:56 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, mknight5@cox.net writes: Your best bet would be to try locating an obituary, will, family file, or something else on your John Wolford in West Virginia. It sounds like you have his pension file; too bad that it didn't contain the names of his parents; but were any siblings named? That might help. In the 1769 Proprietary Tax for Montgomery Co., PA, there is this: WOLFART, Nicholas, 120 acres, 2 horses, 2 cattle, Marlborough Township In the book Soldiers of the American Revolution, Philadelphia County, including Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, there is this:>> Thanks for your help. John Wolford b 1754 Montgomery Co was drafted into in the New Jersey Militia, Sussex County, from 1777-1780 for 1-3 months at a time. Shortly after the war, he moved to Hampshire County, WV. Before 1805, he moved to Tucker County, WV, and died in 1839. The county was small, no obit was mentioned; his will simply talked about Mary, his wife, and "all his children"...doesn't even mention their names since everyone in the county knew them. (Grrrr...hate those types of documents...) If there's a family bible, no one knows about it. All the other researchers have stopped at WV and cannot locate him in NJ or PA. I've combed every document for land deeds, wills, info on children, etc. There are no hints about NJ or PA other than John's military pension. No siblings, parents, nor fellow soldiers mentioned other than his commanding officers and places he was in while drafted. Not a lot of genealogy info. Regards, Diane Wolford

Jamie: Landholders of Phila Co, 1734: Compiled by Harry C Adams, pub 1994: Ludwig BITTING, aka Lodwick BITTING, 150 acres, Hanover. --------------------------------------------------------- From 'Montgomery Co Births 1682-1800', pub 1993, by John T Humphrey: Gabriel KLEIN/KLINE and wife had these children: Ludwig KLEIN, bapt on 6/24/1759, parents Gabriel and Elisabetha Dorothea at New Goshenhoppen Reformed Church, Upper Hanover Twp. Johannes KLEIN, b 12/7/1766, bapt at Old Goshenhoppen Lutheran Church, Upper Salford. Jacob Klein, born 1/22/1770, parents Gabriel and Elisabeth, Old Goshenhoppen Lutheran, Upper Salford. Gabriel Klein, s/o Gabriel and Elisabetha, b 2/13/1774, bapt at Old Goshenhoppen Lutheran Church, Anna Margaretta born 5/29/1777, bapt at Old Goshenhoppen Reformed Church, Upper Salford. Catharina b 11/5/1778, New Goshenhoppen Reformed, Upper Hanover. Hope this helps...... Diana in AL ----- Original Message ----- From: SENORASIMCOX@aol.com To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] Index of wills & estate settlements, Montgomery County, Penn... Anna, Ok on the Bittings, a brother of my ancestor Johannes Klein/Kline who married Anna Margaretha Schaeffor, he was the son of Johan Isaac Klein and Anna Sibilla. The brother's name was Gabriel Klein/Kline, who married Elizabeth Dorothea Bohem Bittings, she was the daughter of Ludwig Bitting and Jphanna Sebina Boehm. Hope there is a connection. jamie

'Landholders of Philadelphia Co 1734', pub 1994, Adams Apple Press, Bedminster, PA 4th printing, 1994: Isaac KLEIN, 130 acres, Sulford... aka KLINE Diana in AL ----- Original Message ----- From: SENORASIMCOX@aol.com To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] Index of wills & estate settlements, Montgomery County, Penn... Anna, My Klein family was Johannes Isaac Klein who married Anna Sibilla or Sibilla Anna, don't know last name, they came from Germany before 1717 to Montgomery county, Pa. Here is a little history on him: JOHAN ISAAC KLEIN (January 12, 1688 - November 26, 1774)was one of 10 German land purchasers of the earliest known settlement in Montgomery Co - that of Sulford Township. On September 10, 1717 a warrant was granted to David Powel of Philadelphia, for 3000 acres of land, located between the "Skepeck" and a branch of the "Parkyooman". ISAAC bought 250 acres from Powel's tract. ISAAC was also a signer of the "PETITION OF INHABITANTS OF COLEBROOKDALE, 1728: Petitioning May 10, 1728 for relief of suffering at hands of the "Ingians" at Falkners Swamp, near "Coshahopin". He and wife Sibilla raised 7 children: Johannes (m. Anna Margaretha Schoffer), George(m. Anna Maria), Reichart(m. Louisa Elisabeth), Susanna Margaretha (m. Heinrich Muller), Anna Sybilla (m. Johannes Jurger), Gabriel (m. Elisabeth Dorothea Bitting), Johan Peter (m. Anna Margaretha Eul), and JACOB (m. Anna Maria Brick). ISAAC, a successful farmer, died in Woxall, Upper Salford Township (Salford Township having been divided into Upper and Lower Salford Townships in 1741), Montgomery Co., PA Hope we have a connection.....if we do, I have photos of Johan's and Anna's tombstone if interested, its in German! He was my 8th great grandfather. jamie ______________________________

M. Knight, Thank you for replying back to me, I will look at the book on the web, and see about ordering it. Thank you for time. jamie

In Montgomery Co Births, 1682-1800, by John T Humphrey, there is this: Johannes WOLFART, born 7/24/1768 son of Nicolaus and not given, bapt at Old Goshenhoppen Reformed Congregation. This John seems too late for your John if he was in RW. Also in Berks Co Births 1710-1780, by John T Humphery: Johannes WOHLFART, born 5/9/1762, parents, Michael and UNK, bapt at Altalaha Lutheran Church, Tulpehocken. But thought I'd throw these out to you! If anything, you can rule these out of your lines! Diana in AL ----- Original Message ----- From: SnowBeri@aol.com To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] Index of wills & estate settlements, John Wolford b 1754 In a message dated 4/12/2005 7:49:48 AM Mountain Daylight Time, mknight5@cox.net writes: There is an 1846 will for John WOLFORD of Marlborough Township, Recorder of Wills #7206, Orphans Court Record 20348. This means that he may have left children behind when he died. That's the only Wolford or anything close to that in the Wills Index for Montgomery County. Probably not the John Wolford you want but perhaps a son? There are no WOLFORD or anything close in the Philadelphia Wills.>> Thanks for looking. The 1846 will wouldn't be my John Wolford (John being a common name). My John Wolford died 1839 in West Virginia, but he stated in his Rev War pension interview that he was born 1754 in Montgomery Co, served in the Sussex Co Militia, then moved to WV. The Wills Index is probably a cousin or brother. Since I know nothing of his parents, other than they were from Germany, I'm grasping at anything that would give me leads. Thanks for your quick reply, Diane Wolford ______________________________

I'm sorry if I was confused as well. I thought you wanted a look-up from those pages. The book was compiled and published originally in 1972 and revised and reprinted in 1987 by Will-Britt books. My understanding of the copyright laws is that the data itself, since it came from public records, it not copyright-able; however, the format of this book and how it is assembled is copyright protected. So, while I can do reasonable look-ups according to the "fair use" law, I cannot copy or scan that many entire pages (you need about 10-12 pages) from the book and send them to you. I manage inter-library loan for our local genealogy library and have had to study copyright laws, and this is my understanding after consulting with my peers. Since I cannot send you 10+ pages of the book, I apologize for the confusion. You may want to purchase one for yourself. Regards, M. Knight ----- Original Message ----- From: <SENORASIMCOX@aol.com> To: <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] Index of wills & estate settlements, Montgomery County, Penn... > Hello, > > Sorry if I said it wrong. All I want is the pages of Montgomery book, which > includes the numbered pages I mentioned and the pages after the title page and > before page 1. > > The Philadelphia book I will look at the book sites you mentioned and see > what they have for them. I really appreciate this. > > What lines are you researching? I am researching Cassel, Strassburg, Klein, > Bechtel, Oberholtzer and a few more. > > jamie > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > Praise publicly, complain privately >

Diane: The early German settlers of Montgomery and Philadelphia Co., PA, are well documented in dozens of books on that subject, indexes, wills, etc. Your best bet would be to try locating an obituary, will, family file, or something else on your John Wolford in West Virginia. It sounds like you have his pension file; too bad that it didn't contain the names of his parents; but were any siblings named? That might help. In the 1769 Proprietary Tax for Montgomery Co., PA, there is this: WOLFART, Nicholas, 120 acres, 2 horses, 2 cattle, Marlborough Township In the book Soldiers of the American Revolution, Philadelphia County, including Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, there is this: WOLFORD, Abram (Abraham), 2d Cl., Bloom's Co., 1st Batt., County militia. Fined, 8th Cl., Reed's Co., 1777-79. I hope this helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: <SnowBeri@aol.com> To: <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] Index of wills & estate settlements, John Wolford b 1754 > In a message dated 4/12/2005 7:49:48 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > mknight5@cox.net writes: > There is an 1846 will for John WOLFORD of Marlborough Township, Recorder of > Wills #7206, Orphans Court Record 20348. This means that he may have left > children behind when he died. > > That's the only Wolford or anything close to that in the Wills Index for > Montgomery County. Probably not the John Wolford you want but perhaps a > son? > > There are no WOLFORD or anything close in the Philadelphia Wills.>> > > Thanks for looking. > > The 1846 will wouldn't be my John Wolford (John being a common name). > My John Wolford died 1839 in West Virginia, but he stated in his Rev War > pension interview that he was born 1754 in Montgomery Co, served in the Sussex Co > Militia, then moved to WV. > > The Wills Index is probably a cousin or brother. Since I know nothing of his > parents, other than they were from Germany, I'm grasping at anything that > would give me leads. > > Thanks for your quick reply, > Diane Wolford > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > List topic Montgromery County PA this means anything genealogy related > ex.surnames, locations, history. >

Anna, Ok on the Bittings, a brother of my ancestor Johannes Klein/Kline who married Anna Margaretha Schaeffor, he was the son of Johan Isaac Klein and Anna Sibilla. The brother's name was Gabriel Klein/Kline, who married Elizabeth Dorothea Bohem Bittings, she was the daughter of Ludwig Bitting and Jphanna Sebina Boehm. Hope there is a connection. jamie

Jamie, The earliest ancestor I have is JOHN MICHAEL KLEIN. he was born in Hangweiler, Lorraine, France on 21 Nov 1716. He died 24 Feb 1798. He is buried in St. Paul's Lutheran Church Cemetery, Red Hill Pa. He married Anna Steinman. She was born about 1720 and died abt 1746. She was only 26 when she died. It leads me to think she died in childbirth. Her name is another mystery. Anna may be her church name, and her walking around name was something else. I have a few Bittings in my family also. They lived in Emmaus, Pennsylvania. Henry is the ancestor I am interested in. Hope we can find a connection. Anna in AZ

Anna, My Klein family was Johannes Isaac Klein who married Anna Sibilla or Sibilla Anna, don't know last name, they came from Germany before 1717 to Montgomery county, Pa. Here is a little history on him: JOHAN ISAAC KLEIN (January 12, 1688 - November 26, 1774)was one of 10 German land purchasers of the earliest known settlement in Montgomery Co - that of Sulford Township. On September 10, 1717 a warrant was granted to David Powel of Philadelphia, for 3000 acres of land, located between the "Skepeck" and a branch of the "Parkyooman". ISAAC bought 250 acres from Powel's tract. ISAAC was also a signer of the "PETITION OF INHABITANTS OF COLEBROOKDALE, 1728: Petitioning May 10, 1728 for relief of suffering at hands of the "Ingians" at Falkners Swamp, near "Coshahopin". He and wife Sibilla raised 7 children: Johannes (m. Anna Margaretha Schoffer), George(m. Anna Maria), Reichart(m. Louisa Elisabeth), Susanna Margaretha (m. Heinrich Muller), Anna Sybilla (m. Johannes Jurger), Gabriel (m. Elisabeth Dorothea Bitting), Johan Peter (m. Anna Margaretha Eul), and JACOB (m. Anna Maria Brick). ISAAC, a successful farmer, died in Woxall, Upper Salford Township (Salford Township having been divided into Upper and Lower Salford Townships in 1741), Montgomery Co., PA Hope we have a connection.....if we do, I have photos of Johan's and Anna's tombstone if interested, its in German! He was my 8th great grandfather. jamie

Jamie, I read your message on line and saw that you are researching a Klein Family, in Montgomery Co. Which Klein family are you searching? I have Klein family in that area also. I too am looking for Wills and Estates. The family of Michael Klein is the family I am interested in. Would you be interested in sharing any info? Anna in AZ

Mona, is there anything in there on Matthias Nash Tyson d. 1825 his wife Elizabeth (Markley) Tyson d.1826 William Sellen Tyson d.1810 his wife Alice Godshalk (Nash) Tyson d,1803 or anyone named BOSE or BOWES? My ggg-grandmother Anna BOSE was b. 1809 in Gwynedd Twp but I have yet to find her parents Thanks. Mike More mikemore@rogers.com

In a message dated 4/12/2005 7:49:48 AM Mountain Daylight Time, mknight5@cox.net writes: There is an 1846 will for John WOLFORD of Marlborough Township, Recorder of Wills #7206, Orphans Court Record 20348. This means that he may have left children behind when he died. That's the only Wolford or anything close to that in the Wills Index for Montgomery County. Probably not the John Wolford you want but perhaps a son? There are no WOLFORD or anything close in the Philadelphia Wills.>> Thanks for looking. The 1846 will wouldn't be my John Wolford (John being a common name). My John Wolford died 1839 in West Virginia, but he stated in his Rev War pension interview that he was born 1754 in Montgomery Co, served in the Sussex Co Militia, then moved to WV. The Wills Index is probably a cousin or brother. Since I know nothing of his parents, other than they were from Germany, I'm grasping at anything that would give me leads. Thanks for your quick reply, Diane Wolford

In a message dated 4/11/2005 7:45:11 PM Mountain Daylight Time, mknight5@cox.net writes: I have the Index of Wills & Estate Settlements, Montgomery Co. Pennsylvania, 1759-1850. I also have the Index to Wills & Administrations, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 1682-1782.>> Can you look up and see if there's any WOLFORD, WOOLFORD, WOHLFORD, WOLFARTH, WALFORD.... You get the idea. The variations that occur are amazing. I'm trying to find ANY relation to John Wolford b 1754 Montgomery County and served in the New Jersey militia during the Revolutionary War. I cannot find him on tax records in New Jersey, so maybe he was working/living with someone and wasn't taxed... I have no idea where he lived in Montgomery, but I'm hoping some of his family remained behind. Thank you Diane Wolford

There is an 1846 will for John WOLFORD of Marlborough Township, Recorder of Wills #7206, Orphans Court Record 20348. This means that he may have left children behind when he died. That's the only Wolford or anything close to that in the Wills Index for Montgomery County. Probably not the John Wolford you want but perhaps a son? There are no WOLFORD or anything close in the Philadelphia Wills. Regards, Mona ----- Original Message ----- From: <SnowBeri@aol.com> To: <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] Index of wills & estate settlements, John Wolford b 1754 > In a message dated 4/11/2005 7:45:11 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > mknight5@cox.net writes: > I have the Index of Wills & Estate Settlements, Montgomery Co. Pennsylvania, > 1759-1850. > > I also have the Index to Wills & Administrations, Philadelphia, > Pennsylvania, 1682-1782.>> > > Can you look up and see if there's any WOLFORD, WOOLFORD, WOHLFORD, WOLFARTH, > WALFORD.... You get the idea. The variations that occur are amazing. > > I'm trying to find ANY relation to John Wolford b 1754 Montgomery County and > served in the New Jersey militia during the Revolutionary War. I cannot find > him on tax records in New Jersey, so maybe he was working/living with someone > and wasn't taxed... > > I have no idea where he lived in Montgomery, but I'm hoping some of his > family remained behind. > > Thank you > Diane Wolford > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > You flame - you're GONE. >

Hello, Sorry if I said it wrong. All I want is the pages of Montgomery book, which includes the numbered pages I mentioned and the pages after the title page and before page 1. The Philadelphia book I will look at the book sites you mentioned and see what they have for them. I really appreciate this. What lines are you researching? I am researching Cassel, Strassburg, Klein, Bechtel, Oberholtzer and a few more. jamie

Hello, Thanks for replying to my email, would it be possible to scan some pages for me, so my book is complete? Actually there isn't that many, I would need pages 29-33 and 47-50 and would like to know what pages are after the title page and before page 1. I don't have the Philadelphia book, if its not possible to scan these pages do you know where I can purchase this book and possibly the Philadelphia book too? Thank you. jamie

Hello, Hoping someone might have this book that can scan about 5 pages for me.......they have the book on Ancestry.com, but left out some pages, for what reason is unknown. I appreciate any help I can get. jamie

After the title page, which starts out INDEX OF WILLS & ESTATE SETTLEMENTS, MONTGOMERY COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA, 1784-1850, compiled & published by Richard t. and Mildred C. Williams, Danboro, Pennsylvania, 1972......the next page described how the county was formed, and the next page continues that explanation. After that, the next page is a map of the townships. Then it begins with page 1, AARON, ABBITT, ABBOTT, ABBOTT.... and so on. These books weren't really expensive, they're spiral bound and I purchased them through an internet site, but I can't remember which one right now. Heritage Books, on-line, has Abstracts of Philadelphia County Wills, 1748-1763 for $23.50. They also have Abstracts of montgomery County Wills 1784-1823, for $35.50. Willow Bend Books also have these. I may have misunderstood, as I thought you wanted a look-up. What you really want is a scan of about 10 pages, right? That's quite a lot, but I can send them to you as time permits. I cannot scan the entire Philadelphia book as it is quite extensive, 213 pages! ----- Original Message ----- From: <SENORASIMCOX@aol.com> To: <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [PAMONTGO-L] Index of wills & estate settlements, Montgomery County, Penn... > Hello, > > Thanks for replying to my email, would it be possible to scan some pages for > me, so my book is complete? Actually there isn't that many, I would need > pages 29-33 and 47-50 and would like to know what pages are after the title page > and before page 1. > > I don't have the Philadelphia book, if its not possible to scan these pages > do you know where I can purchase this book and possibly the Philadelphia book > too? Thank you. > > jamie > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > No virus or other alerts, ever, period > One offense may result in temporary or permanent banishment from the list, without warning. >

I have the Index of Wills & Estate Settlements, Montgomery Co. Pennsylvania, 1759-1850. I also have the Index to Wills & Administrations, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 1682-1782. ----- Original Message ----- From: <SENORASIMCOX@aol.com> To: <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:38 PM Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] Index of wills & estate settlements, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, 1784-1850 > Hello, > > Hoping someone might have this book that can scan about 5 pages for > me.......they have the book on Ancestry.com, but left out some pages, for what reason > is unknown. I appreciate any help I can get. > > jamie > > > ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== > No political statements to this list. > No religious statements. > You will be banned from list. > >