let's try it this way. lower saucon heller member of the church michael, ludwig, daniel, christoper, simon, john dietrich, sons of christoper heller heller sophronia, 24 jan 1747, s/o simon and louisa heller, sp. christoper heller and wf elizabeth, 9 march, 1748, same parents, sp bernhard straub and wf jacob, 6 march 1750, same, sp. jacob dietz and maria schell abraham, 30 may 1751,, same, sp ludwig helle and wf margaret, 13 dec 1752, same, sp. jacob dietz and wf sarah, 18 feb 1754, same, sp. michael doll an wf daniel, 13 july 1755, same, sp. daniel heller and wf john, 29 oct 1756, same, sp. michael heller anthony, 1 feb 1756, same, sp. anthony lerch catharine, 4 march 1759, same, sp. elisabeth dietz maria, 16 nov. 1760, parents not given, sp. not given anthony, 20 march 1762, not given, sp. anthony lerch anna susanna, 3 oct 1774, david and elizabeth heller. sp. michael heller anna margaret, bp. 19 may 1775, andrew heller and elizabeth. sp. ludiwg heller and magdalena catharine, 21 nov 1780, david and elizabeth heller, sp. john mayer and catharine abraham, bp 5 may 1782, joseph heller and margaret, sp. christopher heller and elizabeth william, 18 june 1782, johannes and elizabeth heller, ludwig heller and wf. grandparents catharine, bp 22 sept, 1782, andrew heller and elisabeth. sp. henry adam and wf anna barbara, 2 oct 1782, john diedrick and anna barbara, sp. casper wack and anna barbara michael 17 may 1783, joseph heller and margaret. sp. michael jr. and cecelia heller john jost 23 april, david and elisabeth, sp. jost tilger and anna henry heller 6 aug 1784, john heller and christina susanna heller bp. 19 nov 1784, david and elizabth christopher heller, bp 4 oct 1784 andrew and elizabeth. sp. christopher heller and wf paul heller, 26 dec 1784, michael heller and magd. sp. paul balliard and elizabeth heller, single jacob heller, 26 march 1785, simon heller and elisabeth. sp. job heller and magdalena adam frederich heller 22 feb 1785, jeremiah heller and catharine, sp. daniel heller and elisabeth, grandparents john heller, 10 april 1786, john and christina elizabeth, 5 may 1786, andrew heller and elizabeth. sp. christopher heller and wf magdalena heller, 20 may 1788, michael jr. and wf magdalena heller 25 feb 1789 michael heller and magdalena susanna heller, 14 april 1789, joseph and margaret tobias heller, 25 dec 1789, michael jr and magdalena, sp. christopher heller and wf jacob heller, 25 april 1792, john and christina, eva heller, 2 june 1792, andrew and elisabeth. sp. daniel heller and wf maria catharine heller, 11 aug. 1792, micael heller and hannah anthony heller, 17 march 1793, daniel and eva maria magdalena heller, 8 nov 1807, job and margaret, sp. michael and molly heller elizabeth heller, 2 oct 1802, john and christina, sp. christina derr, grandmother sarah heller, 24 dec 1809, job and margaret, sp. elias heller and hannah michael heller, 24 dec 1809, michael heller and eva. sp. henry frey sarah heller, 22 oct 1810, elias heller and hannah david, 28 sept 1779, david heller and elizabeth, sp. michael and wf maria heller, 21 oct 1810, jost and elisabeth sophia heller, 27 oct 1811, michael and eva, sp. paul heller and hannah seyferd henruetta heller 26 nov 1811, elias and hannah john carl heller 2 jan 1814, elias and hannah, sp paul and catharine heller thomas heller, 13 april 1813, elias and hannah maria magdalena heller, 30 april 1816, peter and catharine mary ann heller, 5 july 1818, job and margaret, sp elias heller aaron heller, 13 march 1818, elias and hanna, sp. jacob adam and rebecca heller owen heller, 11 nov 1819, elias and hannah jacob heller, 24 aug 1824, elias and anna elisabeth heller, 9 june 1825, jacob and sarah, sp. jost heller and elizabeth william henry heller, 31 aug 1827, jacob and sarah josian bellie? 3 nov 1829, jacob and sarah, sp. joseph thiel (diehl) sarah ann heller, 23 oct 1831, jacob and sarah anna, sp. daniel reiss, and sophia heller to be con't Best Wishes, Geri -----Original Message----- From: Kelli Sent: Sunday, February 8, 2009 12:37 PM To: gerifelker@webtv.net Subject: Heller I was curious about your panortha. Where do you get ortha? My given name is Orthia, after my maternal Ggrandmother Orthia Kuech Pettit, and my mother. I live in Nazareth. Are you in the area? George Miller from rootsweb is my cousin and researching our family with me. He is alot better than me in researching, I give up. He does try to tell me, but it's confusing for me. Some of the dates are different and I know the census dates are sometimes wrong. I almost need 1 on 1 help to show me the ropes. I really don't know what questions to ask either. I live a few doors away from a Latter Day Saints Church. Have you gone there for information? Someone else said it's harder to look at court house records because the data is on microfilm. I did look in the Nazareth Moravian Cemeteries, and found some of my Heyer family. I have been to the LimeKiln Cemetery in Hellertown also. When I was looking at your birth and death Easton list, I saw Michael Heller B 1724 D 1803, M Magadelena Buchecker B 1722 D 1750, but George isn't sure of that date.. We only had Michael married to Magadelena Catherina Keiper. B 1730. D 1810 M after 1749 but he isn't sure of that date either. George used the new family search from the Mormon Church which in turn it was validated. The new site isn't up yet, but he got an id and password for it. It looks as though ancestry.com and rootsweb are one of the same. Yet you said you are not registered with ancestry.com because they charge people for data that they received from people like you for free. I hope I won't be a pest for you, but I do want to learn how and where to search. regards. Kelli